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| 15:20.13 | znf | $300 access point, "enterprise" and all that bullshit: https://i.imgur.com/8U5VUDH.png |
| 15:20.25 | znf | after a few days on, it keeps resetting itself |
| 15:20.42 | znf | power cycling it fixes it for a few days, then it does this again |
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| 15:52.31 | Megalon | nice |
| 16:00.17 | znf | So, today in Romania |
| 16:00.44 | znf | The ruling party leader was convicted, 12 days ago, of "Abuse in Service" |
| 16:01.09 | znf | Today, the ruling party voted to abolish "Abuse in Service" |
| 16:01.38 | znf | "abuse of office", is apparently the correct term |
| 16:02.10 | znf | https://www.romania-insider.com/romanias-chamber-deputies-adopts-changes-criminal-code-narrow-majority/ |
| 16:03.28 | Megalon | :D |
| 16:04.02 | znf | at this point, they're not even trying... |
| 16:04.43 | Megalon | hungary, poland, they all don't seem to give a shit anymore |
| 16:05.42 | znf | guess it's another night of protests |
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| 17:58.22 | Gnarfoz | if he was convicted 12 days ago, abolishing it now should not matter much? :P |
| 17:59.06 | Gnarfoz | ah it says many more proceedings that would fall under this are ongoing |
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| 19:01.59 | znf | Gnarfoz, it does, apparently |
| 19:02.06 | znf | because they can can appeal |
| 20:36.12 | nebula | that really shouldn't matter for someone already charged/convicted, romania ex post facto law is: Article 15 (2) of the Romanian constitution provides that the law shall only act for the future, except for the more favourable criminal or administrative law. |
| 20:37.01 | nebula | they'd have to formally pardon him or pass some sort of amnesty act to apply to him |
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| 21:55.03 | znf | nebula, all trial results are appealed at a higher court - in this case, at the "Court of Appeal" |
| 21:55.52 | znf | So on the first court, he was found guilty of "Abuse of Office". Now both the prosecution and defendant will go to the "Court of Appeal" |
| 21:56.19 | znf | Considering that the law changed what "Abuse of Office" means, they have a reasonable case at the "Court of Appeal" |
| 21:56.29 | nevcairiel | unless your law system is totally stupid, it shouldnt matter if the law was in the meantime removed |
| 21:56.30 | znf | the first sentence was not unrevocable |
| 21:56.34 | nevcairiel | the date of the act counts |
| 21:57.51 | Funkeh` | indeed |
| 21:59.45 | znf | I'm really not sure of the specifics, it's just... horrible. |
| 22:00.04 | znf | The new penal code is not just about the abuse of office, there's a lot of things that were passed in that change |
| 22:00.08 | znf | Some truly horrible things :-| |
| 22:02.27 | znf | If you're a person in some official/government power and you take a bribe to facilitate some... stuff, whatever that is, if it's under the minimum wage, it's no longer considered a crime/infraction |
| 22:03.27 | znf | If I bribe an official, but I go denounce the act /before/ the authorities know of the crime, I'm no longer liable |
| 22:04.08 | znf | So I can go bribe someone to sign a huge contract granting my company rights to do... something, whatever, on public money, and if I go tell the police, I get away without a slap on the hands and with all the benefits |
| 22:07.34 | znf | - Video evidence can no longer be used as proof of a crima |
| 22:08.44 | znf | - In case of violence, the accused person can now take part in the witness interogations (I think this is the bad word? audience? audition? not sure what the correct one is) |
| 22:10.23 | znf | - In the case of Digital Search Warrants, new evidence can't be used as the basis of a new investigation |
| 22:10.55 | znf | ie: you bring someone's digital equipment in because he's been arrested for drug traffic or whatever types of scams, you find child porn, you can't use the child porn evidence against him |
| 22:13.15 | znf | - In the case of bribing officials, if you are being requested a bribe for whatever thing you need getting done, and you want to stage a "flagrant" act (again, no idea how it's called, but catching someone in the act), the prosecution is required to inform the suspect, I shit you not |
| 22:14.45 | znf | - Media won't be able to report about prosecution files about, let's say, a mayor who is accused of wasting public money |
| 22:16.11 | znf | ie: road costs 3x times less than what was paid, and the companies involved shared the money with the mayor, the Anti-Corruption Direction opens up an investigation, media won't be able to report on a file that is on roll when, let's say, the mayor announces his running for mayorship again |
