| 00:11.26 | Gnarfoz | hey Greg from Amazon Games Studio, how you doin' |
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| 00:46.40 | znf | Gnarfoz, who's greg from amazon game studio? |
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| 02:28.22 | znf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqS_nsAU5KY |
| 02:28.22 | znf | ^^ |
| 02:45.47 | znf | Did amazon.de change their Font? |
| 02:45.50 | znf | or is my browser fucked? |
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| 13:39.02 | quiescens | moo |
| 13:40.46 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: so you got that email as well? |
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| 15:28.40 | Funkeh` | nevcairiel since you didn't care for the OpenBSD complaints: https://www.blackhat.com/us-18/briefings/schedule/#tlbleed-when-protecting-your-cpu-caches-is-not-enough-10149 |
| 15:28.53 | Funkeh` | shit's going down in august |
| 15:31.01 | nevcairiel | the OpenBSD article was just full of nonsense and FUD, that doesn't mean there arent underlying problems. Side-channel timing attacks are really hard to predict |
| 15:31.50 | Funkeh` | I disagree, it's just that the issues haven't been fully disclosed yet |
| 15:41.05 | nevcairiel | side-channel attacks will keep popping up for the next years, its not something you can just stop with some changes, outside of going back to really simplistic cpu designs, but we had that already and it was slow |
| 15:41.31 | nevcairiel | they are based on the fundamental designs of all our CPUs, which shows when even ARM is affected by some of them |
| 15:42.54 | nevcairiel | and assuming "all" are already known and j ust not disclosed seems like it underestimates the future creativity of security researchers |
| 15:43.10 | Funkeh` | It was affected by like 1.5 of them, a lot of it has been Intel skimping out just to push performance |
| 15:43.21 | Funkeh` | same with AMD, think it was affected by 2 |
| 15:43.50 | Funkeh` | The talk will be interesting in regards to the viability of HT in the future, it may even put an even bigger focus on more cores |
| 15:44.04 | nevcairiel | if you have 16 cores, do you really need HT anymore? =p |
| 15:44.14 | Funkeh` | not really that's my point |
| 15:45.16 | nevcairiel | and intel is the biggest target, everyone is going to focus their exploits on them first, with so many i've read in the initial statements "it is unknown if AMD is also affected", with very few did news pages ever bother to re-visit with further testing, and I cba to go research on my own :D |
| 15:45.59 | Funkeh` | In regards to the most recent sure |
| 15:47.45 | Funkeh` | It will be interesting to see the benchmark comparisons once intel start bringing out their designs with fixes for said attacks |
| 15:48.12 | nevcairiel | and personally I doubt that Intel (or anyone) sat there and was like, hey this could be exploited to extract information, but lets do it anyway. The concept of side-channel attacks against all of this shit is a development of the last two or three years, the designs it attacks much older |
| 15:49.06 | nevcairiel | anyhow time to go out fetch some dinner |
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| 16:01.25 | nevcairiel | What I do wonder though is if Intel re-engineered Ice Lake, because that microarchitecture has been finished for a while but they couldn't release it yet due to their process troubles |
| 16:05.12 | znf | HT always felt gimmick-y anyway |
| 16:05.41 | znf | I understand the reason for it, but for actual multi-threaded apps, there's not much gain to be had there |
| 16:05.59 | znf | ie: if an app actually knows to use all 16 cores to its fullest, 32threads is basically the same thing |
| 16:06.02 | znf | or slower :P |
| 16:06.43 | znf | I've tried some CPU crypto-miners on my 12 cores/24 threads setups |
| 16:07.04 | nevcairiel | There is plenty applications that benefit from it greatly |
| 16:07.06 | znf | using 24 threads with the miner software was always slower than using exactly 12 |
| 16:07.21 | znf | no doubt about it |
| 16:07.27 | nevcairiel | More so if you use heterogeneous computations, is. Doing different things |
| 16:07.34 | Funkeh` | looks like the "steam universe" group is destroying everyone in this steam mini game lol |
| 16:07.46 | nevcairiel | If you only do a simple thing all the time on all threads, then HT doesn't benefit you |
| 16:07.52 | znf | I think the best case is when multiple apps compete for CPU power |
| 16:07.58 | nevcairiel | Because it relies on unused hardware in the cpu |
| 16:08.19 | nevcairiel | But if everything does the same thing, they also want the same hardware |
| 16:08.22 | znf | Funkeh`, isn't that the "default" group for most people anyway? |
| 16:08.33 | Funkeh` | no clue |
| 16:08.53 | znf | I remember reading something about it |
| 16:09.04 | znf | Stanzilla's bot failed me |
| 16:09.13 | znf | it stopped sometimes |
| 16:09.47 | znf | oh, look, Stanzilla's cheat now has a python version, too |
| 16:12.58 | Stanzilla | the php version is still better |
| 16:13.04 | Stanzilla | it recovers from timeouts now |
| 16:13.44 | znf | how the fuck am I only lvl9? |
| 16:13.49 | znf | I had it running all night |
| 16:13.52 | Funkeh` | that's the max |
| 16:14.19 | znf | but not even fully leveled |
| 16:17.12 | Stanzilla | https://nin.lnk.to/BadWitch |
| 16:21.57 | Funkeh` | "this script will not work until you have joined our group" |
| 16:22.07 | Funkeh` | um sorry but your group is dead |
| 16:23.21 | nevcairiel | Just hack that nonsense out of the script :p |
| 16:23.48 | Funkeh` | looking at it now seems to look for something with an id of 32 |
| 16:32.51 | Andols | Script, game? |
| 16:34.32 | foxlit | steam summer sale has an associated minigame |
| 16:34.36 | foxlit | think flash games in '02 |
| 16:35.18 | foxlit | playing which awards... colored pixels, dunno? |
| 16:36.33 | foxlit | since '02 flash games aren't terribly amusing, people are botting the flash game rather than actually playing it. |
| 16:36.34 | Funkeh` | you get entered into a contest every time a planet is "finished" to win free games afaik |
| 16:36.47 | Funkeh` | but the process of playing gives you free "items" |
| 16:36.52 | foxlit | Personally, I think your time is better spent going outside and looking for pennies on the sidewalk. |
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| 16:46.14 | znf | http://reductress.com/post/my-feminist-boyfriend-isnt-working-until-the-wage-gap-is-fixed/ |
| 16:46.15 | znf | hahahahaha |
| 16:46.38 | Funkeh` | countdown until they separate in 3, 2, 1 |
| 16:47.29 | znf | I think it's a onion-y website |
| 16:47.35 | znf | nobody is /that/ retarded |
| 16:48.12 | Funkeh` | never heard of it before so probably trash |
| 16:51.57 | znf | can't be anything other than sattire |
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| 18:08.11 | Stanzilla | https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/jogger-accidentally-crosses-u-s-border-from-b-c-gets-detained-for-2-weeks-by-authorities-1.4717060 |
| 18:08.14 | Stanzilla | murica |
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| 19:03.07 | Funkeh` | yeah this script feels like it's really slow at playing the game? |
| 19:03.20 | Funkeh` | can't really tell since there's no visual output |
| 19:03.46 | Funkeh` | but I see why you were curious znf |
| 19:04.41 | znf | The python one? |
| 19:08.01 | Funkeh` | no |
| 19:10.13 | znf | There is output in the php one tough |
| 19:10.28 | Funkeh` | talking about visual output |
| 19:10.41 | Funkeh` | i.e. seeing the game |
| 19:14.41 | znf | Ah |
| 19:14.56 | znf | Instant Apps are so weird |
| 19:15.07 | znf | Wonder how they work exactly |
| 19:17.08 | Funkeh` | i turned that shit off] |
| 19:17.11 | Funkeh` | no thanks |
| 19:19.04 | Funkeh` | dumbest idea around that i could browse to a random website and have some "app" running |
| 19:22.14 | znf | I've only seen vimeo doing ut |
| 19:22.15 | znf | It |
| 19:22.20 | znf | And what Stanzilla linked |
| 20:28.21 | znf | You have logged in from a new device. In order to protect the items in your inventory, you will be unable to trade from this device for 7 days. |
| 20:28.24 | znf | lol, ok Steam |
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