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03:29.23nebulajesus i haven't downloaded anime in a while, but why do groups always pick weird formats. so many hi444pp encodes, like wtf aren't blurays only 4:2:0?
03:32.28TrelaThe anime subbing scene has always pushed the bleeding edge of encoding.
03:33.28TrelaAnime was being released in H.265 and 10 bit encoding many years ago.
03:35.36nebulayea i remember that, touting that it helps banding (barely) and reduces file sizes (bleh)
03:36.10nebulaatleast my tv is fine with 10bit now
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10:10.13nevcairielusing hi444p is not pushing the bleeding edge, thats just stupid, because their sources don't have that information so they just invent some =p
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10:47.11winkI think the last anime I watched was still burned on a CD, not a DVD
10:47.25wink(excl bought DVDs, ofc)
10:48.15KalrothXviD AVI or RealMedia?!
10:53.19winkReal could fit on a floppy
10:53.22winkin stamp size
10:54.11nevcairielif you had a 640x480 screen, stamps can look large!
10:54.28wink16M Jan 14  2001 mononoke_trailer_divx.avi
10:55.06winkdon't have anything with a 199x timestamp handy tho :P
10:55.33winkRIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 576 x 432, 23.98 fps, video: DivX 3 Low-Motion, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 44100 Hz)
10:56.46winkfound some 320x240 DivX 4
10:57.18winkwouldn't be surprised if someone grabbed those from VHS
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11:17.21silentiumback in 2001 I found all 26 eposides of Neon Genesis Evangelion encoded in vivo, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivo_Software), small enough to burn them all on a single CD
11:17.52nevcairielmust've looked horrible
11:18.02nevcairielbut then we were probably used to that then
11:18.09nevcairielbetween analog tv and lowres internet videos
11:18.10silentiumthe quality was crap and you could not jump to arbitrary positions, but when all you had was ISDN bandwidth …
11:19.02silentiumit took about a day to download it all
11:20.19silentiuma few months later I got ADSL, where the downstream was 12 times as fast back then
11:20.53nevcairielthe days when you got your 1mbit ADSL to replace your 56k modem or 64k ISDN line..
11:21.12silentium768 kbit at first, thanks to deutsche telekom
11:21.15nevcairielthat was a speed up
11:21.42nevcairielsince we only had analog phone, the biggest advantage for me of course was that I didnt keep blocking the phone line anymore =p
11:21.43silentiumwhen I first saw it at a friend's place, it was amazingly fast
11:21.59nevcairielwith ISDN you at least had a second line
11:22.43silentiumfor my first internet connection at home we upgraded from analog to ISDN so I could have the second line for myself, I just had to pay the difference for the higher base fee
11:22.57silentiumtotally worth it when you have 3 sisters ;)
11:23.21nevcairielmy father didnt want that because we had some weird inhouse phone system that probably would've stopped working
11:23.43nevcairielhe only replaced it a few years ago when it finally broke and got a fritzbox now
11:24.41silentiumthe fritzbox probably consumes a lot less power as well
11:25.00nevcairielespecially considering he went from like 3 devices to one
11:25.10nevcairiellike phone thing, WiFi AP, DSL modem .. now all in one!
11:26.44silentiumah yes, separate wifi APs once were a thing as well
11:27.08nevcairielwell it was the router as well, since the modem was one of those super old telekom ones that was nothing but a modem
11:29.03silentiumthat Siemens ADSL modem from 2001 was a nice radiator for my feet in winter ;)
11:37.49winkwe also had one of those weird expensive ISDN phone systems in the house (doubled as company hq) but no problems with DSL
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13:18.24nevcairielspeaking about heaters, been building chromium in two configurations all day so far, makes my computer as useful as a heater in the meantime while its working
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14:08.22znfhttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/B6JbF1jo/Screenshot_2018-06-14-17-06-53.png
14:08.31znfWhat is this madness?
14:08.33znfAn update?
14:08.38znfTo my g4?
14:08.56nevcairielits only 50mb, cant be anything important either way
14:09.05nevcairielfull builds are like 10 times that
14:10.29znfYeah bu... R
14:10.37znfBut
14:10.40znfIt's been months
14:10.51nevcairielmaybe they decided to push a security update =p
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14:45.59znfTelekom România has ads with "internet TV"
14:46.12znfBut you still require to have internet service from them
14:46.24znfIsn't that false advertising?
14:55.30winkI think internet tv is quite an unspecific term
14:56.04nevcairielmaybe they sell you internet and tv service at the same time
15:39.29znfhttps://www.telekom.ro/oferta-fix/?icid=c121&ibid=p_h_slider1_pos4of4
15:39.41znfhttps://i.imgur.com/WXXN60R.png
15:39.56znfit says Internet TV, new samsung receiver, 5€/month
15:40.07znfI can't find that info anywhere on their website, other than a huge banner
15:40.27nevcairielinternet tv is generally bound to the ISP you buy it from =p
15:41.01nevcairielthe offer specifically you linked gives you internet + tv, so whats the problem
15:41.09znfthe ad doesn't mention that
15:41.23znf(the same ad you can see on billboards on the street and on tv)
15:41.30znfnotice the lack of asterisks or specific conditions
15:41.35nevcairieland you dont mention that you are an idiot, yet we all know
15:41.50nevcairielsome things are just well known!
15:41.52znfso mean...
15:42.09Megalondropping dem truthbombs
15:42.15nebulait use to be a requirement from most cable companies that you get atleast basic tv with internet, they never included that price in their internet ads
15:42.36znfthe thing is - they actually DO have an online service for TV channels, which is separate
15:42.44nebula(back when if they hooked up service to your house they couldn't trap video)
15:43.07nevcairielits just an ad,  once you go to buy it they give you all the details that it comes with their internet service, which every sane person would assume in the first place
15:43.14nebula^
15:43.23znfthe other providers specifically mention that
15:43.28znfTelekom doesn't
15:43.45znfWhy call it "Internet TV" package? When it's not "Internet", but it's just IP TV?
15:43.56winkbvecause it's synonymous
15:43.58nevcairieland how does the IP get to you?
15:43.59winkfor laypeople
15:44.01nevcairielover the internet
15:44.18nebulasue em znf, sue them into the ground!
15:45.13znfI'm actually tempted to make a complaint to the customer-protection office for false advertising
15:46.31nevcairielperhaps you should find out if thats actually the case :p
15:46.41nevcairielbecause you sound like a mad idiot right now
15:46.45znfI'm planning to
15:47.18winkwhy is month called lună. the moon phase is shorter than a month
15:47.26winkwhy don't you complain about that?
15:47.29znfI'm not a "mad idiot", every other service advertises or mentions that conditions apply. They don't
15:47.38znfwink, because our language is crap
15:47.58winkit's Latin from Mordor, yes
15:48.14znfbesides, until recently, they offered "digital tv", which was basically just "IP TV"
15:48.24znfThey didn't advertise it as "Internet TV"
15:48.31winklună* [conditions apply, not 29.5 days long]
15:49.27winkI do agree it won't hurt to nag your customer-protection thingy though
15:49.38winkjust stop complainign and do it :P
15:50.08winkalso maybe some soothign music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsuhm17m0AQ
16:08.41znfnevcairiel, re:patch
16:08.50znfbasically "we updated our privacy policy"
16:08.54znfhere's 50MB of updates
16:08.57znfno, there's no new security patch
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17:16.11znfI lol'd: Cyka Blyat 5 - 0 Allahu Akbar
17:34.15Gnarfoztime to reboot and get 1803'd
17:46.02Gnarfoz...or not
17:54.13Gnarfozguess it wanted to install something else first
18:04.28znfbeen there
18:04.29znf:D
18:05.12Gnarfozanyone know how programs like MSI Afterburner control GPU fan speed? is it an API the driver exposes? black magic?
18:05.42Megalonpoke 58472,<percent>
18:05.47Megalonh3h3
18:06.08znfGnarfoz, under linux I know you can control it via the drivers' "cool bits"
18:06.18znfI assume it's an api of some sorts in the driver on Windows, too
18:06.27nevcairielGnarfoz: the nvidia NVAPI has those settings i think
18:06.54nevcairielalthough i dont trust software fan control
18:08.02GnarfozI don't trust terrible fan control, either (no hysteresis, mostly)
18:08.19Megaloni don't like my fans being hysteric either
18:08.31nevcairielmy cpu uses liquid now, that acts as its own hysteresis controller =p
18:08.49nevcairiel(if you run fans by liquid temp, which is the only logical thing)
18:09.25Megalonmy cpu runs on electricity, yours is weird
18:11.47znfmine has a broken-ish fan
18:11.51znfI need to buy a new one
18:11.55znfs/fan/cooler/
18:21.57Gnarfozs/cooler/fan/
18:22.09Gnarfozunless you somehow broke the metal stuff the fan cools? :D
18:22.18nevcairieli wouldnt be surprised!
18:22.22Megalonit's romania, it came pre-broken
18:22.36znfI broke the pins that hold it to the mobo :P
18:22.52Gnarfozaren't they metal as well
18:22.58Megalonyou are not meant to fasten those with a schlagschrauber
18:22.58nevcairielpins? whats this, intel stock cooler?
18:23.08znfnah, they're plastic
18:23.08Gnarfoz1803 time
18:23.09Megalonor do you mean push pins :s
18:23.12znfthis is my old cooler for
18:23.14znfyeah, push pins
18:23.15Funkeh`this QA is garbage
18:23.59Megalonreplace them with zipties
18:24.00znfFunkeh`, without looking, let me guess - the same questions answered 10 times already?
18:24.01Megaloneasy
18:24.14Funkeh`some yeah
18:31.41nevcairielGnarfoz: so your system did not qualify for earlier upgrade from microsofts smart algorithm? =p
18:31.58Funkeh`i hit update and got it day 1
18:32.01Megalonalso just got the 1803 thing
18:32.13nevcairielhttps://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/06/windows-10-april-2018-update-now-open-to-all-thanks-to-machine-learning/
18:32.22nevcairielthey unlocked it for everyone today
18:32.30Funkeh`didnt realize it was locked
18:32.33Megalonhooray
18:32.33Funkeh`guess i got lucky
18:32.41nevcairielyou could get it manually if you really wanted
18:32.47Funkeh`thought they were doing the whole "if they hit update give them the update"
18:32.48nevcairielbut auto-update was locked
18:32.56Funkeh`wasn't for me :D
18:33.06nevcairielmaybe the algorithm qualified you!
18:33.26Megalongonna hit update before taking a shower and hope for the best :P
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18:36.00Megalonoh well, that went faster than expected
18:36.57znfdid I mention that I can't update my mom's PC at home to Windows 7?
18:37.13znfit complains that it doesn't support NX, but it does :-/
18:57.18Gnarfoznevcairiel: it was available for me (and my mom's PC) on Tuesday
18:57.26Gnarfozor rather, I didn't try and make it appear earlier or anything
18:57.28GnarfozPC too boring
18:57.46GnarfozI forgot that they removed Homegroup, that's going to be fun when I'm at my parents' next weekend
18:58.16nevcairieli'm surprised so many people actually used homegroup
18:58.36Gnarfozwhat else was there
18:58.45nevcairielwhat did you use before it existed?
18:58.47Gnarfozif you don't have a domain, there's no common user base
18:58.49nevcairieli still used that!
18:58.49nevcairiel:D
18:59.06nevcairieli just make users on the systems involved *shrug*
18:59.15Gnarfozon XP? probably turned on "guest" for network sharing
18:59.31znfpublic sharing, remove password
18:59.32znf:P
18:59.54Gnarfozthere wasn't a password to remove, in the first place ^^
19:00.32Gnarfozactually I got the dates wrong, mom's PC was some time last week, we just picked the future-st reboot date and that was Tuesday
19:01.23znfso, I did tell you guys how .ro domains have suddenly started to expires, yes?
19:01.31Gnarfozmany times
19:01.39znfour VoIP trunk(s) started failing randomly
19:01.41znfwe didn't know why
19:01.44Megaloni bet it was hidden in many of your rant-rampages
19:01.47Gnarfoza domain expired?
19:01.48Gnarfoz:P
19:01.51znfour providers' legacy domain expired
19:01.54znfyes :D
19:01.57Gnarfozgood job provider
19:02.11Gnarfozwasn't there some trick to make the google sync thing work again without reinstalling it? that runs on my mom's computer and now complains about "desktop" being gone
19:03.55znfwonder why did they do that stupid thing
19:04.08znf(moving the users profile directory, that is)
19:04.23Gnarfozmove it? I think it just gets recreated
19:04.36Gnarfozand Google are lazy fucks and don't even test new versions of Windows before release
19:04.42znfwell, it moves some data around
19:04.42znf:P
19:04.58nevcairieldrive&sync works fine for me
19:05.03nevcairielbut i also re-installed a clean windows
19:05.07Gnarfozso? if Google just used regular paths like everyone else, they probably wouldn't have this problem
19:05.17Gnarfoznevcairiel: duh, so you reinstalled drive&sync as well ;)
19:05.20znfalso that
19:05.27znfwhy weren't they just using paths?
19:05.30nevcairielwhy dont you just do that, its not like it takes time
19:05.48Gnarfozdon't want to do it remotely / no idea what settings I might need to re-do
19:06.21Gnarfozah, nice, after upgrade, %userprofile% now has two of each (Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, etc.) again :D
19:06.38Gnarfozand 3d objects \o/ :P
19:07.05Megalonnot for me
19:07.21Gnarfozanyway, someone had a step-by-step to fix it, but I'm not sure if it was something that only works if you do it before the upgrade. probably was Stanzilla
19:08.02GnarfozMegalon: I think it only happens if you pick a non-default location for any of those
19:08.11Megalonah ok
19:08.23Megalonguess i should do a clean re-install too some time
19:08.47Megalonafter looking up how to do that and finding the motivation to actually do it
19:08.51Megalon:7
19:10.39znfwhere's Stanzilla anyway?
19:10.46Gnarfozhospital, I think
19:11.05Gnarfozhe tweeted about having to watch German TV out of boredom because nothing else to do @ hospital
19:11.14Stanzillaback now
19:11.29Stanzillawat up
19:11.34Gnarfozjust say his name often enough to summon
19:11.58GnarfozStanzilla: drive & sync being confused after upgrading windows: there was some other solution than reinstalling it -- was that you?
19:12.21Stanzillayeah sort of
19:12.22Stanzillahold on
19:12.32Gnarfozironically, I think I just found it https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/drive/SbcTUe8wXRM/Jy_T-XQnBQAJ
19:12.43nevcairielwhat else would you do in hospitals
19:12.48nevcairielits what i did all day every day
19:12.56Stanzillais that my post
19:12.59Stanzillaif yes then that
19:13.06Stanzillaand I wanted to watch twitch but hospital wif iwas terribul
19:13.07Gnarfozif you're called Alex_F
19:13.23Gnarfozhospital wifu service being bad, so sad
19:13.44Gnarfozit basically amounts to overwriting any files for which a file(1) exists with the file(1) version
19:13.50Gnarfozright?
19:15.07Stanzillahttps://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/d/msgid/drive/898ab3a1-9d30-472f-a8a8-37417f31770a%40googleproductforums.com
19:15.12Stanzillayeah
19:19.54Gnarfozfor file in *(1).db; do mv $file ${file%(1).db}; done :D
19:20.02Gnarfozguess I should install WSL on mom's PC :P
19:20.14nevcairieli'm sure you can do this in bash
19:20.16nevcairieleh
19:20.18nevcairielin batch
19:20.33nevcairieli wrote a semi-complex batch file once because i couldnt really depend on anything else
19:20.34Gnarfozyeah but I don't know the syntax and I expect it to be horrible :D
19:20.38nevcairielman the horrors of that syntax
19:20.44nevcairielbut
19:20.45nevcairielit works
19:21.30Gnarfozlike most tools, if you know how to use it, you can achieve great things ^^
19:21.46Megalonsame goes for your genitals
19:21.54Gnarfoztrue
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19:22.52Gnarfozcan you use the "defer feature upgrade" stuff when it's already queued up? or only before :D
19:24.05nevcairielprobably too late then
19:24.10Megalondo i just use this to do a clean install on my pc? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10startfresh
19:24.52nevcairielno idea what that does
19:24.59nevcairieljust get the media creation tool
19:25.17Megalonand do a new install from usb?
19:25.23nevcairielyeah
19:25.30Megalonis that where i just skip the key thing and it reactivates itself fine?
19:25.47nevcairielif you hook it up to a MS account i guess
19:25.51nevcairieli dont use an MS account
19:25.57Megalonme neither
19:26.05nevcairiellost your key? =p
19:26.55MegalonDear Customer,
19:26.55MegalonWe hereby send you the following item:
19:26.55MegalonKey:
19:26.56Megalonnope :P
19:28.08Megalonguess I'll try that over the weekend
19:29.46Gnarfozapart from the aforementioned things, I notice no further differences, so far :D
19:29.58Gnarfozexcept the reboot screen background is suddenly blue instead of gray
19:30.22Gnarfozguess I need to do whatever you do to copy your user profile settings to the default user profile again
19:30.34Gnarfozwhere even is this timeline feature? and sets?
19:30.46Gnarfozor is sets in the next one
19:34.15nevcairielclick the task view button next to cortana
19:34.23nevcairielhonestly i disabled that entire element from the taskbar
19:34.45nevcairieli also disabled the data collection for timeline =p
19:34.59Gnarfozno cortana button
19:35.02Gnarfoz:D
19:35.27Gnarfoztask view is just win+tab? I tried that before
19:35.28nevcairielsets are for the next one i think
19:35.51nevcairielalthough its unclear if they'll even make it
19:35.53GnarfozI guess something I did with ShutUp10 before (haven't run it yet since the upgrade) has probably disabled something timeline relies on, then
19:35.59Gnarfozcan't scroll in the win+tab view, if that's how it'
19:36.02Gnarfozs supposed to work
19:36.08nevcairielno clue really, never used it
19:36.11nevcairielnever interested me
19:36.23Gnarfozme neither, just curious to check it out
19:37.42znfI've logged on SC 2 after years
19:37.45znfand I got spammed by https://i.imgur.com/HFxXyWx.png
19:39.39Gnarfozbleh, the app to enable the desktop<>smartphone link is Microsoft Launcher?
19:39.56Gnarfozthey couldn't find anything more invasive than a launcher to bundle this into? :P
19:46.44StanzillaI think I disabled every new feature since 2 "feature updates"
19:49.58Stanzillapeople on taskbar, timeline, clipboard
19:51.20Stanzillagame bar/mode/dvr
19:51.26Gnarfozclipboard what?
19:52.32Stanzillaclipboard sync
19:52.59Gnarfozacross ms account? hm
19:53.19Megalonwhat could go wrong
19:53.48Gnarfozthe permissions/privacy section in settings has grown a lot
19:54.39Stanzillayes
19:56.15StanzillaI use the my phone app thingy for sending links to my pc from phone though
19:56.16Stanzillasometimes
19:56.19Stanzillaussually pushbullet
19:56.24Gnarfozthe what app?
19:56.30GnarfozI thought that was what I just tried
19:56.36Gnarfozbut it sent me to install the MS launcher on my phone
19:56.57Gnarfozand I noped out faster than my fingerprint reader unlocks my phone
19:57.04Stanzillacortana app is enough
19:57.06Gnarfozis what you use something else?
20:01.23Stanzillathat, the setup is weird
20:01.28StanzillaI dont even know if you really need the your phone app
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20:01.40Stanzillabut installing cortana on phone adds the "sent to pc" share item
20:18.09znfanyone else just got a silly notification from microsoft?
20:18.27znfhttps://i.imgur.com/GJLEZrx.png
20:19.06nevcairielno
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21:09.00Stanzillathe new audio stuff in win10 is actually nice
21:10.01Stanzillaand eartrumpet makes it cool to use
21:12.16Stanzillahttps://www.hanselman.com/blog/AutomaticallyChangeYourAudioInputOutputAndVolumePerApplicationInWindows10.aspx
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23:52.49Funkeh`had someone run the windows storage cleanup, 23gb to clean up...
23:53.25Funkeh`windows really should do it automatically instead of letting it get that big
23:54.26nevcairielthe biggest offenders are usually windows update rollback files
23:54.31nevcairielit cleans that up eventually
23:56.06nevcairiel(and if you upgraded the windows build, it may still have some of that around, for a month or so?)
23:57.52Stanzillajust enable the automatic option?
23:58.04Funkeh`what automatic option
23:58.24Funkeh`also only using 1 core is fucking annoying
23:58.28Stanzillahttps://i.imgur.com/Qkev5rX.png
23:58.32Funkeh`takes way longer than it should
23:58.45Funkeh`longer than installing the update in the first place

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