| 00:05.09 | Stanzilla | I want to x forward your ass, nebula |
| 00:05.26 | nebula | you don't have the bandwidth |
| 00:12.06 | znf | nebula is ä¹ä¹ãå°ºå ãå丨åå |
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| 01:51.29 | Funkeh` | https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-introduces-a-complete-family-of-802-11ax-routers-with-2-5-gbps-ethernet.html |
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| 02:09.07 | znf | not many equipments work at 2.5/5Gbit |
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| 13:54.32 | quiescens | moo~ |
| 14:01.25 | Phixion | throws asus gaming routers at quiescens |
| 14:07.54 | quiescens | dies. |
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| 15:46.06 | nevcairiel | those routers are so ugly |
| 15:46.22 | nevcairiel | other performance routers manage without 10 visible antennas |
| 15:46.24 | nevcairiel | get a grip asus |
| 15:46.40 | nebula | but more visible antennas means it better, nevcairiel |
| 15:46.40 | nebula | DUH |
| 15:49.05 | nebula | i just wish someone would find a way to make 5ghz not suck |
| 15:49.09 | nebula | fuckin physics |
| 15:49.29 | nevcairiel | its just inherent to its proprties, it works fine in open spaces, sucks through walls |
| 15:49.34 | nebula | yea |
| 15:49.51 | nevcairiel | although you muricans with your paper walls should have less problems with that even |
| 15:50.37 | nebula | i have an old house with lathe/plaster walls, each room is basically a faraday cage |
| 15:51.41 | nevcairiel | our walls are entirely solid |
| 15:51.47 | nevcairiel | not some plaster-battered wood |
| 15:51.55 | nebula | metal lathe! |
| 15:52.49 | nebula | or lath, i suppose |
| 15:53.00 | nevcairiel | i guess the metal may hurt signals, but we have rebar in our walls, so shrug |
| 15:53.05 | nevcairiel | at least on load carrying walls |
| 15:53.20 | nebula | what are you walls? concrete? |
| 15:55.49 | nevcairiel | there is several methods how this stuff was done over the years, could be actual bricks or poured concrete on rebar |
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| 16:26.58 | Megalon | Man dies on Mount Everest during ASKfm cryptocurrency promotional stunt |
| 16:27.13 | Megalon | well, if that's not a metaphor for cryptos themself |
| 16:33.37 | Stanzilla | nebula: most are bricks |
| 16:37.15 | nebula | that sounds awful for wiring |
| 16:38.40 | nebula | i assume interior walls are single brick with wood strapping? |
| 16:41.16 | Stanzilla | no wood |
| 16:46.39 | nebula | ew, you guys are weird |
| 16:47.14 | Stanzilla | : < |
| 16:48.04 | Megalon | why would you wood strap a brick wall, what |
| 16:49.29 | nebula | because it's easier to cut out wood than chiseling channels to run wiring |
| 16:49.50 | Megalon | then would you not build it out of wood in the first place |
| 16:50.04 | nebula | exactly |
| 16:50.25 | nebula | single brick walls aren't a thing here, was just trying to wrap my head around it |
| 16:52.38 | Stanzilla | I often notice it in Fortnite when I want to farm stone and go up to a house but only get wood from the walls :D |
| 16:53.04 | Stanzilla | I think almost every house here is bricks and steel concrete |
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| 17:19.22 | nevcairiel | yeah wood houses are very unusual here |
| 17:19.40 | nevcairiel | and for cables, just plan ahead dude! |
| 17:20.59 | nevcairiel | in newer houses they'll cut in channels in strategic positions before the walls are covered with plaster |
| 17:21.10 | nevcairiel | older houses you might be out of luck when the c able is directly plastered in :D |
| 17:45.51 | Andols | Talking about Germany or Fortnight there nev? |
| 17:46.17 | nevcairiel | germany |
| 17:46.24 | nevcairiel | no fucks given about building material in games :P |
| 18:02.49 | Phixion | :) |
| 18:13.39 | znf | even in our pre '90's houses, the cable is drawn trough some sort of pipes |
| 18:14.27 | Stanzilla | new houses have pipes and channels of course |
| 18:58.53 | Gnarfoz_ | nevcairiel: I'm apparently too dumb to set up the Quassel chat monitor as a "highlight catcher"... (actually, znf highlighted me last night and Quassel's taskbar entry wasn't even blinking when I came home, hmmm) |
| 18:59.03 | Gnarfoz_ | oh |
| 18:59.33 | Gnarfoz | (hm, but that disconnect was after the highlight, and Quassel has a setting somewhere to highlight on all nicks of an identity, and Gnarfoz_ and Gnarfoz__ are in there.) |
| 18:59.58 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I was sick of it constantly showing some random old crap from channels I'm no longer in, so I fiddled with it... now it just shows an empty box. :D |
| 19:00.35 | Gnarfoz | random other observation: Fritz!OS has still not gained a feature to selectively not assign devices ipv6 addresses |
| 19:10.22 | nevcairiel | as an alternative the ipv6 mobile situation could really be fixed sometime |
| 19:10.46 | Funkeh` | would be great if ISPs actually bothered with v6 |
| 19:11.29 | nevcairiel | we get ipv6 just fine |
| 19:11.39 | nevcairiel | but once you do, you'll find how much is still broken with it |
| 19:12.42 | Gnarfoz | I only have one gripe, but it's annoying enough that I just turned v6 off again for my entire connection: my phone doesn't do the necessary legwork to keep its ipv6 connections working when its in standby |
| 19:12.59 | nevcairiel | which apparently is an epidemic for so many phones |
| 19:13.05 | nevcairiel | aggressive power savings |
| 19:13.37 | Funkeh` | i'm not really familiar with it, I just recall someone saying how much easier it is regarding nat when it comes to things like torrenting |
| 19:13.47 | Gnarfoz | you simply don't do nat on v6 |
| 19:13.52 | Gnarfoz | because gazillions of addresses |
| 19:14.11 | Gnarfoz | (someone was insane enough to *specify* nat for v6 after the fact, but hey) |
| 19:14.40 | nevcairiel | in reality i still need to open ports in my router though, which is only common sense to firewall my local network, but in theory multiple hosts could use the same ports now instead of that being limited to one |
| 19:14.46 | nevcairiel | not that i ran into that ever before |
| 19:15.19 | Gnarfoz | that's because almost all home routers combine their NAT with a firewall |
| 19:15.35 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 19:15.40 | Gnarfoz | because "just NAT" does not, contrary to popular belief, protect you from attacks from the internet since you're "not reachable" |
| 19:16.04 | nevcairiel | technically it sort of does, since the router doesnt know where to send stuff |
| 19:16.29 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure you can find talks/posts that explain how "just NAT" can be subverted from the outside |
| 19:16.52 | Gnarfoz | it's not worth worrying about, though, since... find me a router that doesn't also act as a firewall on top |
| 19:16.53 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:16.55 | nevcairiel | i can set v6 hosts to be fully exposed to the internet if i want to, but i wouldnt know why i would do that :D |
| 19:17.19 | Gnarfoz | anyhow, I guess the "chat monitor" in Quassel isn't really intended as a "highlight magnet", I was just abusing it for that |
| 19:17.31 | nevcairiel | i have no clue wtf that is designed for |
| 19:17.32 | Gnarfoz | and the only solution to get rid of the cruft in it is to actually delete those buffers... |
| 19:17.41 | nevcairiel | never used it |
| 19:17.47 | Gnarfoz | (it'll still always start out "full", though) |
| 19:20.05 | Gnarfoz | either Quassel is really slow about deleting some buffers, or it broke as soon as I tried deleting more than one buffer at once :D |
| 19:20.16 | znf | how NOT to do IPv6 |
| 19:20.22 | znf | just ask Scaleway |
| 19:20.26 | Gnarfoz | oh yeah, that message took two minutes to appear, guess it totally locks up on big channels |
| 19:20.38 | znf | VPS gets a /127 |
| 19:20.43 | znf | seriously, they offer a /127 |
| 19:20.44 | znf | that's it |
| 19:20.51 | Gnarfoz | that's not... much :D |
| 19:20.56 | Gnarfoz | why not a /128 at that point |
| 19:20.58 | znf | it's a routed /127 |
| 19:20.58 | nevcairiel | that goes against v6 guidelines, doesnt it |
| 19:21.14 | Gnarfoz | sure, but in the end, everyone can do what they want :D |
| 19:21.42 | Gnarfoz | I bet it's because Scaleway thinks that their super-tiny servers will become so plentiful that they'll run out... kek D: |
| 19:21.55 | nevcairiel | my server gets a /64, like its mean to! |
| 19:23.00 | Gnarfoz | it's funny how my server has a /64 but my home connection gets a /56 :D |
| 19:23.31 | znf | https://blog.scaleway.com/2016/03/31/introducing-native-ipv6-connectivity-on-scaleway/ |
| 19:23.35 | znf | they don't even have that article online anymore |
| 19:23.48 | nevcairiel | well your server is one device, your home connection potentially multiple, so it makes sense Gnarfoz? :) |
| 19:24.01 | Gnarfoz | my server could be a VM host! |
| 19:24.07 | Gnarfoz | but yes, perhaps |
| 19:24.13 | nevcairiel | not that it matters |
| 19:24.21 | nevcairiel | your /64 is literally bigger then the entire internet |
| 19:25.03 | Gnarfoz | a lot bigger at that |
| 19:25.13 | nevcairiel | i should watch the counterpart finale |
| 19:25.17 | Gnarfoz | you should |
| 19:26.28 | Gnarfoz | znf: https://blog.online.net/2016/03/31/introducing-native-ipv6-connectivity-on-scaleway/? ;-) |
| 19:26.44 | znf | oh, thanks |
| 19:27.17 | nevcairiel | giving it only 2 addresses is a bit weird, but i dont see the really big problem with that |
| 19:28.21 | nevcairiel | or i guess its really one address since the second one needs to be for the router? |
| 19:29.30 | Gnarfoz | funny how that blog post mentions nothing about /127, btw |
| 19:29.48 | nevcairiel | in the comments it basically says you get a ipv6 address |
| 19:29.53 | nevcairiel | but no subnet of your own |
| 19:30.08 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 19:31.26 | nevcairiel | for a micro vps like that, its probably fine |
| 19:31.37 | Gnarfoz | they offer vps now? |
| 19:31.53 | Gnarfoz | wasn't their whole concept to offer very tiny ARM servers that are just bare metal |
| 19:31.54 | nevcairiel | i dunno, they call it vps |
| 19:32.02 | znf | they have atoms now |
| 19:32.10 | Gnarfoz | guess they have both |
| 19:32.14 | nevcairiel | They have "C2" and "VPS" |
| 19:32.16 | nevcairiel | whatever those are |
| 19:32.18 | znf | model name : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU C3955 @ 2.10GHz |
| 19:32.25 | nevcairiel | or well used to be back then |
| 19:32.31 | nevcairiel | looks like their product naming changed :p |
| 19:33.13 | Gnarfoz | yeah it's various things now https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ |
| 19:33.40 | nevcairiel | since BareMetal is its own category, i assume the others are virtual |
| 19:34.08 | Gnarfoz | I'd assume so is "Arm" |
| 19:34.18 | Gnarfoz | or not |
| 19:34.20 | Gnarfoz | weird |
| 19:34.33 | Gnarfoz | whatev |
| 19:34.58 | znf | nevcairiel, how do I convert an IP address to a... inet... something? |
| 19:34.59 | Gnarfoz | do I need to make a backup of my WSL instances before upgrading to W10 1803? |
| 19:35.04 | Gnarfoz | a what? |
| 19:35.10 | Gnarfoz | that's a bit vague |
| 19:35.10 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:35.24 | znf | I want to hardcode an IP address in a C++ thing |
| 19:35.31 | znf | *((*outpos)++) = ip->data.v4[i]; |
| 19:35.37 | znf | I tried: |
| 19:35.38 | znf | *((*outpos)++) = "51.15.225.209" |
| 19:35.41 | znf | but obviously that doesn't work :D |
| 19:35.55 | nevcairiel | for a listen socket? |
| 19:36.14 | znf | no, it writes a DNS record |
| 19:36.29 | nevcairiel | then how the fuck would i know |
| 19:37.03 | Gnarfoz | probably inet_aton? |
| 19:37.09 | Gnarfoz | man 3 inet_addr |
| 19:37.16 | znf | dns.c:169:20: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast [-Wint-conversion] |
| 19:37.16 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.23 | znf | I get this when I compile :P |
| 19:37.56 | nevcairiel | it obviously wants a number |
| 19:37.58 | Gnarfoz | it's probably not supposed to be a number either way |
| 19:38.01 | nevcairiel | not a string |
| 19:38.18 | Gnarfoz | ah brainfart, the binary representation is a number, of course |
| 19:38.29 | Gnarfoz | (hence "a to n" in inet_aton) |
| 19:40.27 | Gnarfoz | I guess inet_pton is slightly more modern since it supports ipv6 |
| 19:42.29 | znf | scratches head |
| 19:42.38 | znf | I hate C++ |
| 19:43.00 | Gnarfoz | what's wrong with my answer? :p |
| 19:43.21 | znf | I'm assuming the answer is 856678865 |
| 19:43.26 | znf | which the code complains about |
| 19:43.33 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't sound particularly binary. |
| 19:43.45 | Gnarfoz | man 3 inet_addr or man 3 inet_pton, or google with either of those |
| 19:45.59 | Gnarfoz | or just google yourself, it's all I did anyway :P |
| 19:46.05 | nevcairiel | you gave us one single line, and the types reference in there dont look much like the typical structs :p |
| 19:46.24 | Gnarfoz | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33574127/binary-and-dotted-decimal-conversion-for-looping-over-ip-addresses this guy's example code in the question seems to do just that (ignore the rest and his actual question) |
| 19:46.58 | znf | I'm C++ retarded. I need something to copy/paste |
| 19:47.35 | Gnarfoz | how does the above not qualify |
| 19:48.24 | znf | I don't know what to do with a void() crap |
| 19:48.30 | Gnarfoz | (unless his example code is just nonsense) |
| 19:48.49 | znf | I'd need to... do stuff with it |
| 19:49.16 | Gnarfoz | void what? oO why can't you just replace the string in your example with the function call? I have literally 0 C/C++ experience, either, but that's what I'd try |
| 19:49.33 | znf | I'd have to compile it |
| 19:49.33 | Gnarfoz | *((*outpos)++) = inet_addr("51.15.225.209"); |
| 19:49.36 | znf | and then add stupid headers |
| 19:49.43 | znf | and whatever retardness C++ needs |
| 19:49.51 | nevcairiel | its impossible to say anything about anything because you only showed us only one single line that didnt express anything at all |
| 19:50.02 | Gnarfoz | (that's also true) |
| 19:50.24 | nevcairiel | its somehow indexed, so maybe its part of a loop that reads the 4 ipv4 octets? |
| 19:50.30 | nevcairiel | or is that for multiple addresses? |
| 19:50.34 | znf | well, I can show you the source, but I don't expect anyone to take that much time to check it for me https://github.com/Gravium/gravium-seeder/blob/master/dns.c |
| 19:50.51 | znf | it scrapes the network, creates a database, outputs nodes |
| 19:50.57 | Gnarfoz | (the man page seems to indicate that the only additional header would be #include <arpa/inet.h>) |
| 19:51.01 | znf | I'm trying to force it to just output the same Ip address over and over |
| 19:51.02 | nevcairiel | so it definitely reads the 4 octets then |
| 19:51.42 | nevcairiel | https://github.com/Gravium/gravium-seeder/blob/master/dns.c#L167-L168 thats the part right? |
| 19:52.11 | nevcairiel | replace those two lines with "*((*outpos)++) = 51; *((*outpos)++) = 15; *((*outpos)++) = 225; *((*outpos)++) = 209;" |
| 19:52.40 | nevcairiel | (also, thats C, not C++) |
| 19:53.18 | znf | oh, you're right |
| 19:53.28 | znf | I just saw g++ and assumed c++ |
| 19:54.00 | znf | uh, yeah, that didn't work out |
| 19:54.15 | nevcairiel | (dont add the quotes) |
| 19:54.21 | znf | ofc |
| 19:54.29 | znf | https://hastebin.com/atukuwofoc.css |
| 19:55.01 | Gnarfoz | how did you go that quickly from nev suggesting it to using dig on... something? |
| 19:55.29 | znf | Gnarfoz, it's a dns server |
| 19:55.54 | Gnarfoz | I mean, that didn't feel like enough time to make the replacement, compile, restart, etc |
| 19:55.54 | nevcairiel | you didnt replace the two lines |
| 19:56.16 | nevcairiel | both lines need to go, the for and the one you quoted before |
| 19:56.21 | nevcairiel | and instead add the stuff i listed |
| 19:56.38 | znf | oh, right |
| 19:56.43 | znf | I missed the "two" part |
| 19:57.04 | nevcairiel | basically it loops over the data and reads all 4 octets |
| 19:57.09 | Gnarfoz | (btw, another approach would be to make sure the write_record_a function never gets called with anything but your desired address: https://github.com/Gravium/gravium-seeder/blob/master/dns.c#L335) |
| 19:57.10 | nevcairiel | instead you just do 4 manual assignments |
| 19:57.28 | Gnarfoz | either gets the job done, I guess :D |
| 19:57.49 | nevcairiel | i have no clue why he cant just modify the invocation of that tool, but yeah |
| 19:58.14 | znf | the correct approach would have been to use my idea to just scrape the network and feed the data directly into the DNS server that hosts the domain |
| 19:58.21 | znf | but someone wanted to get fancy |
| 19:58.38 | znf | nevcairiel, it's "all-in"one" |
| 19:58.46 | znf | the data doesn't get fed anywhere else |
| 19:59.10 | znf | it's a tool that does everything - scrapes the network, runs it's own dns server, and does all the clean-up |
| 20:01.11 | znf | and someone fucking set up these VPS all with german localization |
| 20:01.17 | znf | it's incredibly annoying |
| 20:41.13 | Gnarfoz | you know what else is annoying? my fuel-related graphs |
| 20:42.02 | nevcairiel | the only fuel i need is for consumption |
| 20:44.41 | nebula | the only fuel i need is hate |
| 20:45.03 | Stanzilla | that's the only fuel I have |
| 20:45.03 | nevcairiel | its good that you have the znf-battery then |
| 20:45.20 | nevcairiel | 5 minutes listening to him will fuel you for a week! |
| 20:45.21 | Stanzilla | znf is harmless compared to what happens in wowuidev every day |
| 20:45.36 | nebula | chipzz is my battery, actually |
| 20:45.56 | nevcairiel | i just amuse myself on his arrogant stupidity |
| 20:46.03 | nebula | pretty much |
| 20:50.15 | Gnarfoz | I meant the old school fuel |
| 20:50.34 | nevcairiel | well i dont have a car, so! |
| 20:50.34 | Gnarfoz | oldest school, dinosaur age... and older |
| 20:50.38 | Gnarfoz | https://i.imgur.com/yT9rgwo.png :| |
| 20:50.55 | nevcairiel | oh a price chart |
| 20:51.00 | nevcairiel | i thought you meant like a consumption chart |
| 20:51.10 | Gnarfoz | well I have that as well |
| 20:51.35 | Gnarfoz | but I don't have that much influence on that https://i.imgur.com/9IrPlG5.png |
| 20:51.37 | znf | >xau 5.65 ron to eur |
| 20:51.38 | Catal1na | 5.65 RON == 1.21 EUR |
| 20:51.41 | nevcairiel | speaking about charts, the silly euro is back on the rise again as well |
| 20:51.48 | nevcairiel | stay low silly euro |
| 20:51.48 | znf | 1.21⬠for Diesel here last time I filled up |
| 20:52.03 | Gnarfoz | (https://i.imgur.com/aJ5PXp4.png for crazy units) |
| 20:52.15 | znf | oh, for me it's simple |
| 20:52.18 | Gnarfoz | yeah I kind of wish I had stayed on Diesel ;P |
| 20:52.19 | znf | 11L/100km |
| 20:52.19 | znf | :D |
| 20:52.30 | nevcairiel | MPG seems so backwards |
| 20:52.34 | znf | indeed it does |
| 20:52.35 | Gnarfoz | it literally is backwards |
| 20:52.39 | nevcairiel | not that i even know what a gallon is |
| 20:52.41 | Gnarfoz | it's range not consumption ^^ |
| 20:52.49 | Gnarfoz | 11L/100 on a diesel? wtf are you doing |
| 20:52.59 | Megalon | driving a truck it seems |
| 20:53.07 | Gnarfoz | probably still driving one of those 20 year old 8 cylinder 4 liter BMWs |
| 20:53.09 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 20:53.11 | nevcairiel | >xau 1 usd to eur |
| 20:53.13 | Catal1na | 1.00 USD == 0.85 EUR |
| 20:53.24 | nevcairiel | i want 1:1 back, that was nice |
| 20:53.45 | Gnarfoz | it's coming close to the point where the exchange rate compensates for VAT |
| 20:53.46 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 20:53.57 | nevcairiel | it s ort of is |
| 20:54.05 | nevcairiel | >xau 1 eur in usd |
| 20:54.06 | Catal1na | currency convert [<number>] <currency1> to <currency2> |
| 20:54.14 | nevcairiel | >xau 1 eur to usd |
| 20:54.16 | Catal1na | 1.00 EUR == 1.17 USD |
| 20:54.16 | nevcairiel | stupid bot |
| 20:54.24 | Gnarfoz | that is a bit unflexible :p |
| 20:54.28 | nevcairiel | 17%! |
| 20:54.30 | znf | Gnarfoz, 1998 BMW, 6cyl 2.5 |
| 20:54.43 | znf | urban usage gets at 11L/100 |
| 20:54.47 | Gnarfoz | close enough! 20 years was spot on ^^ |
| 20:54.59 | znf | long trips is around 5.9-6.5 |
| 20:56.03 | znf | but around town, AC on easily adds 0.8-1L/100 |
| 20:56.16 | znf | Automatic Transmission, as it's old gen, easily another 1L/100 |
| 20:59.42 | Gnarfoz | https://www.clever-tanken.de/statistik/historie/diesel at the bottom :| |
| 20:59.59 | Gnarfoz | weird, they don't have a statistic for E5 |
| 21:00.13 | Gnarfoz | (doesn't really matter, just add 0.02⬠to E10 :P) |
| 21:00.16 | nevcairiel | wow sure been going up |
| 21:00.34 | Gnarfoz | interestingly, the E10 curve is far steeper |
| 21:00.44 | Gnarfoz | guess it managed to stay lower for longer |
| 21:01.17 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, blah |
| 21:01.57 | znf | I should read on fuel types |
| 21:03.30 | znf | Why are we using E10 and the 'muricans are using E85? |
| 21:03.59 | nebula | e85 is mostly ethenol, e10 is ethenol as an addition |
| 21:04.12 | nebula | e85 is mostly gone |
| 21:04.16 | znf | and how's fuel around US? |
| 21:04.20 | znf | I had the impression |
| 21:04.20 | Gnarfoz | I'd assume that wasn't really the question, :D |
| 21:04.20 | znf | oh |
| 21:04.34 | znf | Movies make it seem like E85 is the common one in US |
| 21:04.34 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. not 'what' but 'why') |
| 21:04.48 | Gnarfoz | wtf movies are you watching where fuel types are obvious? oO |
| 21:04.55 | znf | dunno |
| 21:05.01 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:05.10 | Megalon | lol |
| 21:05.12 | znf | I think E85 is pretty much unheard in Europe? |
| 21:05.17 | Gnarfoz | definitely |
| 21:05.33 | Megalon | znf has a keen eye, looking at every detail of them moviez |
| 21:05.35 | Gnarfoz | well, Germany and direct neighbours, at least, I'd say |
| 21:05.46 | znf | And E85 cars wouldn't work with it, right? |
| 21:05.51 | Gnarfoz | that depends |
| 21:06.08 | nebula | i'm not sure about the EU with your E10/etc, but in the us it's mostly gov't subsidies for farmers |
| 21:06.14 | Gnarfoz | there are cars labeled as "flexfuel", I think, that support wide ranges |
| 21:06.30 | Gnarfoz | same reason E10 was introduced here for, I think |
| 21:06.46 | Gnarfoz | maybe I'm utterly misinformed, though :p |
| 21:07.19 | znf | Other than financial implications - with the corn industry being subsidizied there - what's the reason for E85? |
| 21:07.37 | znf | Wouldn't it be cleaner burning, btw? |
| 21:08.03 | nebula | it's helps emissions in cars, but they still use more energy than they create when they refine it (and just move the emissions to the refinery) |
| 21:08.06 | Gnarfoz | different, at least |
| 21:08.28 | znf | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ethanol_fuel_mixtures#Other_disadvantages |
| 21:08.29 | Gnarfoz | afaik it just changes the emission profile, not really improve it overall |
| 21:08.37 | znf | guess it's not good for the actual car parts |
| 21:08.39 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. less of x, more of y) |
| 21:08.51 | Gnarfoz | that depends on if the parts are made for it ^^ |
| 21:09.06 | nebula | yea, i can't put more than e5 in my old audi |
| 21:09.20 | Gnarfoz | that must be pretty old? |
| 21:09.24 | nebula | 2002 |
| 21:09.26 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 21:09.45 | Gnarfoz | yeah, better not put stuff in it the manufacturer doesn't list, if you want it to keep running :D |
| 21:09.51 | Gnarfoz | znf: overall average of my diesel car was 6.58L/100km (after 6.5 years and 65.6 Mm), btw but it was a far smaller engine :P |
| 21:10.07 | znf | I like 6-cylinders or more :P |
| 21:10.13 | znf | I hate the sound of 4-cyl so much |
| 21:10.29 | Gnarfoz | ideally, mine would make no sound, so... yeah, different priorities :P |
| 21:10.45 | znf | I like the 6-cyl sound |
| 21:10.56 | znf | bmw's inline-6 sound is so nice |
| 21:11.01 | Gnarfoz | if I wanted sound, I'd have waited for the i30 N instead of the i30 xD |
| 21:11.09 | Gnarfoz | well, noise, rather |
| 21:11.27 | znf | I'm partially tempted to save money for a V8 |
| 21:11.37 | znf | but I'm not sure I'd ever have the money to do regular maintenance for it :D |
| 21:11.43 | znf | not to mention the gas costs :-/ |
| 21:11.44 | Gnarfoz | I'm partially tempted to save money for a hydrogen car |
| 21:11.52 | Gnarfoz | but that'd take a couple of years :P |
| 21:12.23 | znf | I'm still on the fence on what car I would buy now for cheap |
| 21:12.27 | Gnarfoz | one day I'll figure out how to stop wasting money and it'll increase that saving up thing |
| 21:12.33 | znf | I was even considering the X3 |
| 21:12.38 | znf | but it's hard to find a non 2.0d engine |
| 21:12.42 | Gnarfoz | X3 doesn't sound cheap :P |
| 21:12.54 | znf | second-hand, obviously |
| 21:12.54 | Gnarfoz | also CUVs need to die |
| 21:13.10 | nebula | fuel cell vs battery, eh? do those actually exist in eu? |
| 21:13.24 | znf | You can find X3's for under 8000⬠|
| 21:13.34 | Gnarfoz | nebula: there's like... 1 model :( |
| 21:13.53 | nebula | it was just toyota that was working on it, yea? |
| 21:13.59 | znf | https://www.olx.ro/oferta/bmw-e83-x3-3-0d-204cp-xdrive-automat-impecabil-IDb9zBz.html#d8d170d45d;promoted |
| 21:14.03 | znf | there', 4999⬠|
| 21:14.06 | znf | for 3.0 |
| 21:14.11 | Gnarfoz | don't know about Toyota, I was thinking of the new Hyundai Nexo |
| 21:14.35 | Gnarfoz | I only noticed it because I bought a Hyundai last year and saw that their ix35 fuel cell model was rather old, so I kept checking from time to time if maybe they replaced it with something new |
| 21:14.37 | Gnarfoz | and they recently did |
| 21:15.05 | Gnarfoz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Nexo (US cars and EU cars not being quite the same, yada yada) |
| 21:15.41 | znf | the only issue I have with most X3s it's that they don't really come with fancier features like the 5er/X5+, stuff like electric seats, no display for the multimedia center, no hud, not even dual-zone climate :-/ |
| 21:16.16 | nebula | ah, i was thinking of the toyota mirai |
| 21:16.24 | znf | So realistically I'm only looking at the E60/5er |
| 21:16.32 | Gnarfoz | I mean ok, the Achilles' heel of these is the same as battery-powered: "fueling" stations. But Hâ is an actual fuel, so you can re-fuel in minutes and get back on the road. And (except Tesla's model S/X, which are far too expensive) the range is far better |
| 21:16.56 | znf | also, I doubt we'll see the fuel-cells engines become widely adopted :( |
| 21:16.58 | Gnarfoz | even with the current very sparse coverage, I could actually live |
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| 21:17.22 | Gnarfoz | (both local driving and my regular longer-range trip would be covered, just barely, but still) |
| 21:18.03 | Gnarfoz | https://h2.live/ (heh, they default to "future: on") |
| 21:18.28 | Gnarfoz | (and they default to "DE", you can switch to "EU" in the lower right corner) |
| 21:18.38 | znf | they default to geolocation :P |
| 21:18.43 | znf | oh |
| 21:18.46 | znf | no, wait, you're right |
| 21:18.54 | znf | yes, I see Romania's well covered |
| 21:20.31 | Gnarfoz | maybe they just don't have data (yeah that's optimistic) |
| 21:20.39 | znf | heh, no :P |
| 21:20.40 | Gnarfoz | it's a german site after all ^^ |
| 21:20.48 | znf | barely bucharest has electrical plugs |
| 21:20.53 | znf | nevermind hydrogen |
| 21:21.41 | Gnarfoz | https://h2-map.eu/ http://h2tankstellen.cleanenergypartnership.de/ well |
| 21:21.47 | Gnarfoz | both of those are worse :p |
| 21:21.53 | nebula | there are plugs all over the place here, h2 looks to be just LA and SF |
| 21:22.21 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what the price of Hâ even is per... kg, I guess |
| 21:23.16 | Gnarfoz | (why is that measured as mass and not volume?) |
| 21:23.54 | Gnarfoz | since it's handled in compressed form and the pressure need not be the same everywhere? does that make any sense |
| 21:26.42 | Gnarfoz | https://www.netinform.de/H2/H2Stations/H2Stations.aspx?Continent=NA&StationID=-1 nebula |
| 21:27.15 | quiescens | o.o |
| 21:27.16 | nebula | i was looking at the DoE gov site |
| 21:27.47 | Gnarfoz | dunno, that was linked on wikipedia (h2stations.org redirects there) |
| 21:28.11 | Gnarfoz | Shell says 9.50â¬/kg Hâ; well that doesn't really say anything without knowing a consumption figure :D |
| 21:28.19 | nebula | oh, those are mostly there, just marked as "non retail" |
| 21:28.48 | Gnarfoz | 0,84 kg H2/100 km for Hyundai Nexo, apparently |
| 21:29.03 | Gnarfoz | that's not really cheaper (but I had read as much before now) |
| 21:29.48 | Gnarfoz | (not cheaper than a non-stupid diesel, that is. it'd be slightly cheaper than my current petrol car) |
| 21:30.06 | Gnarfoz | ...if those figures were actually true, that is |
| 21:30.20 | Gnarfoz | comparing marketing numbers for the Nexo with real numbers for my i30 :P |
| 21:30.46 | Gnarfoz | probably closer to being on par with each other |
| 21:30.51 | Gnarfoz | well, that's kind of a bummer. |
| 21:32.30 | Gnarfoz | not to mention a non-stupid diesel would also have a massively higher range. |
| 21:42.44 | Gnarfoz | also, how does #wowuidev keep attracting these annoying people :P |
| 21:48.10 | znf | some fucktard used underscores in the code |
| 21:48.20 | znf | and now I can't "fix" without shipping an updated binary |
| 21:48.21 | znf | :-| |
| 21:48.40 | znf | I mean |
| 21:48.46 | znf | underscores in the hostname portion of the seed code |
| 21:49.03 | znf | and the DNS RFC states that you can't really use underscores in record types like A |
| 21:50.55 | znf | and bind fails on it |
| 21:50.56 | znf | *sigh* |
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| 21:59.44 | nevcairiel | i dont know Gnarfoz, the finale was kind of anti-climactic |
| 22:02.28 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I guess |
| 22:02.51 | Gnarfoz | at least they weren't shy to terminate some narrative threads ^^ |
| 22:03.09 | nevcairiel | also people |
| 22:03.17 | Gnarfoz | hence my choice of words ^^ |
| 22:04.45 | Gnarfoz | still amazed that I totally missed that my i30 is only 410⬠cheaper than the ioniq hybrid |
| 22:05.32 | Gnarfoz | list prices, though... who knows what price I could have gotten an ioniq for, probably not the same as the i30 :P |
| 22:14.52 | nevcairiel | why does the stupid mmo-c blue tracker keep breaking down on a daily basis |
| 22:15.05 | nevcairiel | i dont like the layout of the wowhead one, or i would just use it all the time =p |
| 22:16.33 | Justwait | it's always missed a buncha forums as well |
| 22:16.49 | Justwait | beta stuff/eu forums stuff |
| 22:17.03 | nevcairiel | they often show up a few days later because its stupid |
| 22:17.11 | nevcairiel | curse tech at its finest |
| 22:20.46 | Gnarfoz | is it even |
| 22:21.04 | nevcairiel | it is now |
| 22:24.51 | nevcairiel | i almost forgot that it was computex this week |
| 22:40.58 | znf | what are we expecting? |
| 22:45.59 | Stanzilla | threefiddy new notebooks |
| 22:46.37 | Stanzilla | also lenovo ruining whatever was left of their reputation |
| 22:46.40 | nevcairiel | i also like the small things |
| 22:47.01 | Stanzilla | like? |
| 22:47.03 | nevcairiel | like just watched a video about noctuas fan and cpu cooler changes, exciting stuff! |
| 22:47.10 | Stanzilla | oh linky |
| 22:47.18 | nevcairiel | pfh get your own youtube |
| 22:47.22 | Stanzilla | duuude |
| 22:47.42 | nevcairiel | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btP1LzbwYB4 |
| 22:47.53 | Stanzilla | thx |
| 22:48.40 | nevcairiel | there was another one earlier about a phase change cpu cooler prototype from caseking/der8auer, that prototype looked so insanely janky |
| 22:48.45 | Stanzilla | finally black fans |
| 22:49.33 | nebula | they've had black ones, the ippc stuff |
| 22:49.52 | nevcairiel | thoise are also bad for you |
| 22:51.39 | Gnarfoz | znf: maybe this https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/8op45w/cooler_master_announces_sk_series_keyboards/ ;p |
| 22:51.58 | nevcairiel | tenkeyless keyboards need to die |
| 22:52.04 | znf | no, WE not you |
| 22:52.14 | znf | also, what nevcairiel said |
| 22:52.16 | znf | that is horrible |
| 22:56.16 | nevcairiel | intel showed a new extreme edition cpu earlier, 28 cores running a 5ghz all-coire overclock, the industry is abuzz trying to speculate how they would ever get that to run and not melt everything |
| 22:57.16 | Stanzilla | also with a new socket |
| 22:57.32 | nevcairiel | probably the xeon socket |
| 22:58.04 | nevcairiel | lga 3647 |
| 22:58.09 | nevcairiel | that cpu is just too big to on the smaller ones |
| 22:58.12 | Stanzilla | LGA 3647 |
| 22:58.13 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 22:58.17 | znf | many pins |
| 22:59.44 | nevcairiel | not that I would deny 28 cores if i got some, but what i'm more interested in how this shit actually works to run that fast, and what one might expect to trickle down into lower chips from that |
| 23:01.12 | Gnarfoz | deleting channels you've been in for years is really slow :D |
| 23:01.20 | nevcairiel | heh yea |
| 23:01.51 | nevcairiel | well, not that time is a huge factor, except that time often implies more backlog |
| 23:02.17 | nevcairiel | after you delete a lot you should really do database maintenance tho |
| 23:02.23 | Gnarfoz | I intend to |
| 23:02.59 | Gnarfoz | I sat down at the desk (instead of the sofa) with a clear plan; I've managed to do 1 of the 3 things I wanted to :P |
| 23:03.16 | nevcairiel | hey thats at least something |
| 23:03.26 | nevcairiel | i would probably have forgotten the plan |
| 23:04.46 | Gnarfoz | #1 was to enter the most recent refueling receipts to my spreadsheet, and then everything spiraled out of control :D |
| 23:05.08 | nevcairiel | so that was hours ago when you linked those? |
| 23:05.09 | nevcairiel | ^^ |
| 23:06.19 | Stanzilla | why do you do that |
| 23:11.10 | Gnarfoz | did I just reconnect? |
| 23:11.22 | nevcairiel | not from irc |
| 23:11.41 | Gnarfoz | guess the network is more lenient ^^ |
| 23:23.34 | Gnarfoz | channel list is now sparkly clean |
| 23:30.41 | nevcairiel | i have a million billion old queries that i could possibly delete |
| 23:30.49 | nevcairiel | but they are all temp hidden so i just never see them |
| 23:32.31 | Gnarfoz | yeah I cleaned out that list as well, there's only like 20 left or so |
| 23:37.19 | Gnarfoz | can someone highlight me, please? |
| 23:38.46 | Stanzilla | suck a dick Gnarfoz |
| 23:39.36 | Gnarfoz | I'll consider it |
| 23:39.40 | Gnarfoz | but please try again |
| 23:41.28 | Stanzilla | okay Gnarfoz |
| 23:42.10 | Gnarfoz | wtf kind of regex does Quassel expect |
| 23:43.55 | Gnarfoz | oh, that kind |
| 23:43.58 | Gnarfoz | thanks! |
| 23:44.07 | Gnarfoz | I've considered it and decided not to suck a dick |
| 23:44.35 | Gnarfoz | I've also successfully tricked Quassel into not highlighting based on content of the status buffers :p |
| 23:46.13 | Stanzilla | good |
| 23:47.23 | Gnarfoz | time to shut it down and vacuum this sqlite monstrosity |
| 23:48.17 | znf | Aktualisierung für 93 Pakete verfügbar. Führen Sie »apt list --upgradable« aus, um sie anzuzeigen. |
| 23:48.24 | znf | :-| |
| 23:48.35 | Stanzilla | why is your system in German |
| 23:49.08 | znf | I've no idea man |
| 23:49.30 | znf | some stupid VPS from "netcup" |
| 23:50.55 | znf | I was on another VPS earlier, fucking openvz |
| 23:50.57 | znf | had apache installed by default |
| 23:50.59 | znf | like... nigga what? |
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