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| 00:04.45 | Ketho | I think they added another wave of addon authors yesterday |
| 00:08.35 | quiescens | grats |
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| 00:26.46 | znf | nevcairiel: yeah, my bank (ING) is forcing 5 digit passwords |
| 00:27.22 | znf | granted, they require either an sms auth code or the physical token as 2nd step |
| 00:27.29 | znf | but still, 1st step is only the 5 digit password |
| 00:27.35 | nevcairiel | for login already? |
| 00:27.45 | nevcairiel | i can look at my banking history etc without 2fa |
| 00:27.53 | znf | ah, not here |
| 00:27.55 | znf | for login directly |
| 00:28.10 | znf | but it's otherwise pretty stupid |
| 00:28.11 | nevcairiel | i only need the sms thing or token for sending money |
| 00:28.22 | znf | the mobile app has an option to "remember device" |
| 00:28.45 | znf | so if you logged on once, and ticket the checkbox with "remember device", then you only need the 5 digit password (username is saved) |
| 00:29.44 | znf | they're also blocking the reuse of passwords |
| 00:30.42 | znf | which in theory is ok... but when you're limited to passwords from 00000 to 99999 it's kind of... stupid |
| 00:31.32 | znf | I remember Raiffaisen issueing clients a PDF with TAN (?) codes |
| 00:31.40 | znf | so you had username/password combo |
| 00:31.48 | znf | and then a one-use code from a PDF |
| 00:31.55 | znf | every time you used one, you had to scratch it out :D |
| 00:31.58 | nevcairiel | thats the bad old days, lists of TANs to use |
| 00:32.08 | nevcairiel | i remember that |
| 00:32.21 | znf | ING had a nice token back in the day |
| 00:32.34 | znf | it was grey, it had numbers laid out properly |
| 00:32.41 | znf | 1-2-3 |
| 00:32.43 | znf | 4-5-6 |
| 00:32.45 | znf | 7-8-9 |
| 00:32.50 | znf | --0-- |
| 00:32.56 | znf | then they changed the token |
| 00:33.06 | znf | and numbers were 9-8-7.... 6-5-4... |
| 00:33.08 | znf | everyone hated it :D |
| 00:33.34 | nevcairiel | inverting it seems odd |
| 00:33.39 | znf | and then they introduce the SMS auth, because everyone held on to the old token as much as they could :D |
| 00:33.52 | znf | but you were forced to change it once the battery run out |
| 00:34.37 | znf | my other bank is only sms-code |
| 00:34.49 | znf | but, it has a un-changeable username |
| 00:35.06 | nevcairiel | username is the account number here basically |
| 00:35.10 | znf | in the form of AA-######### |
| 00:35.23 | znf | where AA are initials, and # is a random number |
| 00:35.30 | znf | ...and their fucking mobile app doesn't remember the username |
| 01:12.24 | foxlit | meanwhile: self-chosen username and two self-chosen passwords, login with username + first password + 3 server-chosen letters of the second password. |
| 01:13.06 | nevcairiel | that sounds annoying, just let me input both passwords instead of having to think about shit :p |
| 01:14.20 | foxlit | that kind of defeats the point, nev -- might as well just one one password then. |
| 01:14.32 | foxlit | s/one one/use one/ |
| 01:14.38 | nevcairiel | if i know the password anyway, whats the point of making me think about it so much |
| 01:15.15 | foxlit | it prevents login by keylogger. |
| 01:15.34 | nevcairiel | most passwords are either muscle memory or in a password manager, the first thing is entirely incompatible with such requests, and the second thing just has me open an app that shows the password in plaintext so i can lookup those things |
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| 01:16.25 | foxlit | it doesn't have complexity requirements, so you're welcome to choose a memorable word |
| 02:38.25 | quiescens | paper one time passwords are so old school |
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| 13:12.27 | znf | I underestimated the CPU requirements to forward X over SSH |
| 13:12.39 | znf | constant 50% CPU usage |
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| 13:19.20 | znf | 4 x X-Forwarding PuTTY instances are using 80% of my CPU on my home PC |
| 13:20.57 | bluspacecow | but y tho |
| 13:21.22 | nebula | because vnc wasn't good enough |
| 13:21.28 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 13:27.56 | quiescens | gives blu a cookie |
| 13:31.19 | bluspacecow | *noms it* |
| 13:32.18 | quiescens | /pat blu |
| 13:36.39 | znf | nebula: VNC implies running an X server on the... server already |
| 13:36.54 | znf | even if it's just xvfb |
| 13:37.28 | znf | (or vnc, yes) |
| 13:41.37 | quiescens | xforwarding implies running an x server on the... client |
| 13:41.47 | quiescens | nodnod |
| 13:41.58 | nebula | x forwarding is awful, i'm not sure why you'd want to do it |
| 13:42.17 | quiescens | back in the day |
| 13:42.56 | nebula | i only ever used it back in the day D; connection times out? rip EVERYTHING |
| 13:43.54 | Funkeh` | is x not dead yet |
| 13:44.13 | quiescens | o.o |
| 13:44.18 | nebula | lol, wayland is closer to death than x |
| 13:44.26 | znf | ^ |
| 13:44.30 | Funkeh` | christ |
| 13:44.39 | znf | wayland was born dead :D |
| 13:44.51 | nebula | what is dead can never die |
| 13:44.51 | znf | Ubuntu removed it in 18.04 afaik |
| 13:48.18 | nebula | inb4 mir comes back |
| 13:50.10 | Stanzilla | what's the problem with wayland? |
| 13:50.19 | Funkeh` | nothing |
| 13:50.24 | Funkeh` | probably developer interest |
| 13:50.48 | nebula | ubuntu removed it due to some specific issues, i forget what off the top of my head |
| 13:50.51 | Funkeh` | it's taken so long and it's not going anywhere, not surprising |
| 13:51.13 | nebula | Ubuntu ships Wayland as default in Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark).[73] Ubuntu reverted back to X.Org for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, as Wayland still has issues with screen sharing and remote desktop applications, and does not recover as well from window manager crashes |
| 13:53.44 | quiescens | is wayland actually gone, or is it because 18.04 was an lts release, and they weren't ready to have wayland in lts yet |
| 13:53.55 | Funkeh` | the latter |
| 13:54.13 | nebula | yea, it's not like purged from their repos or anything |
| 14:06.54 | bluspacecow | https://pastebin.com/rTExrPgR |
| 14:07.02 | bluspacecow | That waiting for active player lag :( |
| 14:07.20 | bluspacecow | on live it's about 3 ms no where near the figures I'm seeing in client.log on the beta |
| 14:07.29 | bluspacecow | proof the lag meter is lying to me :( |
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| 15:45.11 | Andols2 | x? |
| 15:56.25 | znf | X11 |
| 15:56.27 | znf | Xorg |
| 15:56.27 | znf | ? |
| 15:56.34 | Megalon | X-COM? |
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| 16:38.09 | Phixion | xxx |
| 16:49.26 | znf | xxx.xxx |
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