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| 08:11.35 | quiescens | moo |
| 09:00.38 | nebula | would be interesting to see a breakdown on profits from some big corps for enterprise vs consumer for ram and storage, i have a feeling consumer stuff is kiddie shit by comparison, but mystery |
| 09:10.22 | nevcairiel | definitely is nebula |
| 09:10.56 | nevcairiel | mainstream consumer is still making money, but high-end is just to make a name for yourself, not to actually sell a whole bunch |
| 09:22.55 | Gnarfoz | 21:52:06GnarfozAndroid 6 w/ May 2018 security update is still "newer" than what's on my S7, incidentally, :D <-- yay 8.0 upgrade available now |
| 09:23.17 | nevcairiel | officially? neat |
| 09:24.56 | Gnarfoz | S7, that is, not the tablet from 2012 :p |
| 09:25.45 | nevcairiel | getting security updates all the way to 2018 is still pretty good tho! |
| 09:25.56 | Gnarfoz | well that's also custom |
| 09:26.03 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 09:26.15 | Gnarfoz | but the guy who maintains it is a champ for doing that, yeah |
| 09:26.40 | Gnarfoz | shame the Nougat version doesn't quite work properly, but so far, the Marshmallow one seems to |
| 09:27.02 | nevcairiel | whats the next desert called anyway |
| 09:27.05 | Gnarfoz | well except apps having weird problems using the camera, but I didn't try that in 7 so I can't say |
| 09:27.11 | Gnarfoz | unknown so far |
| 09:27.22 | Gnarfoz | probably lots of choice with P |
| 09:27.41 | nevcairiel | "P" being pronounced has some unfortunate namesakes =p |
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| 09:42.43 | Gnarfoz | popsicle is apparently high in the list because there's a popsicle wallpaper |
| 09:43.10 | nevcairiel | Android Popsicle sounds weird to me |
| 09:43.57 | nevcairiel | Android Pastry, i like that |
| 09:44.05 | nevcairiel | but maybe thats too generic? |
| 09:44.28 | nevcairiel | or Android Pie |
| 09:44.29 | nebula | parfait ! |
| 09:44.52 | nevcairiel | although those english meat pies are disgusting |
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| 10:01.58 | quiescens | potato |
| 10:02.23 | nevcairiel | thats not a desert, silly |
| 10:02.30 | Phixion | penis |
| 10:02.42 | quiescens | pancake |
| 10:03.42 | quiescens | why does it have to be a desert? |
| 10:03.52 | Fisker | never samsung Gnarfoz |
| 10:50.25 | Kalroth | jellied eel is a dessert |
| 10:51.04 | quiescens | gives Kalroth a cookie |
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| 10:55.04 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: Hey |
| 10:55.27 | Megalon | Android Profiterole |
| 10:56.50 | Gnarfoz | icon mess has become more messy than even before |
| 10:56.55 | Gnarfoz | with adaptive icons :D |
| 10:57.06 | Megalon | adaptivefoz |
| 10:57.07 | nevcairiel | whats an adaptive icon |
| 10:57.20 | Gnarfoz | (wasn't that in 7 already? idk, it looks even more jumbled up now, somehow) |
| 11:06.29 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
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| 11:24.24 | Stanzilla | peppermint |
| 11:30.05 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: icons will be sorta fixed when their min sdk target limit kicks in |
| 11:30.16 | Stanzilla | then all icons that are not real adaptive icons will be just placed on a shape |
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| 12:08.13 | Gnarfoz | well my launcher already does that and it just looks dumb |
| 12:08.23 | Gnarfoz | ironically, some Google apps included |
| 12:09.28 | Gnarfoz | "solved" it by giving in and using an icon pack and picking "somewhat-thematically-fitting" icons for apps it doesn't cover and don't have their own adaptive stuff |
| 12:09.48 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 13:22.44 | quiescens | moo |
| 13:23.47 | znf | hmmm |
| 13:24.09 | znf | a bunch of single letter .ro domains are in PendingDelete status |
| 13:24.10 | znf | neat |
| 13:46.08 | quiescens | don't do it znf |
| 13:46.54 | nevcairiel | dont those get snatched up by domain parking things anyway |
| 13:51.42 | znf | the only operation allowed during PendingDelete are renewals |
| 13:51.55 | Gnarfoz | until it's done pending! |
| 13:52.07 | znf | that's 90 days |
| 13:52.15 | znf | so on 30 august, someone can snatch it |
| 13:52.26 | nevcairiel | the point is, if you want any of those, you have to be faster then those automated snatching services |
| 13:52.29 | znf | and I'm gonna have my friend try to register it |
| 13:52.46 | znf | automatic snatching services are not really available for .ro's |
| 13:53.16 | znf | I mean, in order to become a .ro registrar, you have to go trough some stupid birocratic shit and pay for 5000 domains/renewals up-front as a credit |
| 13:54.09 | znf | but I have a friend who's an official partner and he already has the snatching stuff coded |
| 13:54.14 | znf | so, cross fingers |
| 13:54.15 | znf | :D |
| 13:54.39 | znf | gonna try to get z.ro |
| 13:56.39 | znf | background - until this year, .ro domains were registered on an undetermined period |
| 13:56.47 | znf | so basically everyone just paid for the domain once and they had it since... forever |
| 13:56.54 | znf | and they introduced anual payment this year |
| 13:57.13 | znf | and all domains registered before 2013 are starting to expire now :D |
| 13:59.07 | quiescens | grats |
| 13:59.16 | nevcairiel | domains without ongoing payment seems like a dumb idea |
| 13:59.24 | nevcairiel | who pays for keeping the servers online |
| 13:59.47 | znf | yeah, it was a stupid idea |
| 14:00.03 | znf | and it kept a lot of domains locked for years |
| 14:00.28 | znf | and that's the argument they also used :P |
| 14:00.39 | znf | but they were happy to ask for $60 for initial registration :P |
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| 14:37.10 | Gnarfoz | just try registering all of them, duh |
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| 15:07.38 | Megalon | registers gnar.foz |
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| 16:38.00 | Andols | This is Sweden, it should not be 30 degrees :( |
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| 17:25.46 | znf | https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/968194/visa-down-payment-processing-visa-europe-mastercard-finance-news-credit-card-debit |
| 17:25.48 | znf | the fuck |
| 18:19.42 | nevcairiel | so that may be why i had to scan my card twice an hour ago? |
| 18:21.02 | nevcairiel | but thats why its stupid to put all your economy on one company like that |
| 18:21.40 | nevcairiel | here in germany we can always pay with our EC card (or however the official name is now), which is a distinctly different system |
| 18:22.15 | foxlit | realistically, there are three companies like that. |
| 18:22.56 | nevcairiel | according to that article both VISA and MasterCard are down, or are they one company now and i didnt notice |
| 18:23.20 | foxlit | "Mastercard and American Express both said their networks were working." |
| 18:23.39 | nevcairiel | AE is basically unused and barely accepted in europe tho |
| 18:24.28 | foxlit | mostly fine in the UK |
| 18:26.27 | nevcairiel | It also has super high fees, but i hear some companies use it as company credit cards |
| 18:27.21 | nevcairiel | In any case I usually lug a Visa, Mastercard and my german EC card around with me, so shrug =p |
| 18:28.54 | foxlit | I primarily use a watch, which is actually surprisingly convinient. |
| 18:29.37 | nevcairiel | i havent bothered to figure out how wide-spread that would work around here |
| 18:29.45 | foxlit | (not that you'd want to rely on that while travelling, but it works out fine for most everyday stuff) |
| 18:30.23 | nevcairiel | many places accept contact-less payment with the cards already, but not sure if phone or watch would work |
| 18:30.27 | nevcairiel | not that i own a smart watch |
| 18:31.20 | nevcairiel | but then many other places dont do contactless at all :) |
| 18:31.23 | nevcairiel | we're a bit behind on that |
| 18:48.44 | znf | weird, we actually have contactless everywhere |
| 18:48.49 | znf | I get a bit annoyed when they don't |
| 18:49.04 | znf | as my paper wallet makes the card removal a bit difficult |
| 18:50.52 | znf | anyway, I wasn't able to pay with my VISA a for my food delivery |
| 18:50.59 | znf | but I was able to with a Maestro |
| 18:51.16 | nevcairiel | maestro is mastercard |
| 18:51.22 | nevcairiel | so yeah |
| 18:51.34 | nevcairiel | noone likes stupid V-Pay |
| 18:51.54 | znf | I've no idea what that is |
| 18:52.26 | nevcairiel | VISAs version of Maestro |
| 18:52.48 | znf | to be fair, I'm really not sure what the difference between Maestro and MasterCard is, other than Maestro starts with a 6 |
| 18:52.55 | znf | and they're not always accepted online, for example |
| 18:53.11 | nevcairiel | its a debit card, not a credit card |
| 18:53.33 | znf | but visa and mastercard can also be debit cards |
| 18:53.37 | nevcairiel | (ie. directly charge your bank account, no "credit") |
| 18:53.43 | znf | as in, I only own debit cards, not credit |
| 18:54.43 | znf | and having no funds attached to my card will result in a transaction declined |
| 18:54.53 | znf | I mean, funds in the account attached to the card |
| 18:57.01 | nevcairiel | its probably a legacy thing, some POS may accept Maestro but not MasterCard due to backend differences, or the other way around |
| 18:57.38 | nevcairiel | interestingly in germany nearly all your bank cards are Maestro, but not like you know them, ie. we don't have the credit card-like number stamped on them |
| 18:57.44 | nevcairiel | so we cant use them for online sales at all |
| 18:57.56 | znf | oh, really? |
| 18:57.57 | nevcairiel | but we can use them to pay in shops or get money out of ATMs around the world |
| 18:57.59 | nevcairiel | its sort of w eird |
| 18:58.00 | znf | that's weird |
| 18:58.47 | znf | does it at least have a name on it? |
| 18:58.59 | znf | and/or magstripe? |
| 18:59.38 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 18:59.47 | znf | then the card number should be on the magstripe |
| 18:59.48 | znf | on track 2 |
| 18:59.58 | nevcairiel | it works in alll places where a physical card is used |
| 19:00.02 | nevcairiel | it just doesnt work online |
| 19:00.25 | znf | yeah, I understand |
| 19:00.30 | znf | tough I wonder if you actually get the number from it |
| 19:00.37 | znf | (by reading the magstripe) |
| 19:00.39 | nevcairiel | no clue, donth ave a card reader |
| 19:00.48 | znf | any card reader works :P |
| 19:00.58 | znf | even those at point of sales systems used for taking orders |
| 19:01.07 | znf | if you open up notepad and focus it |
| 19:01.14 | znf | and you swipe the card, it types everything in there |
| 19:01.51 | znf | track 1 usually has the name |
| 19:02.57 | foxlit | instructions unclear, credit card suck in sd card reader |
| 19:04.02 | znf | track 2 has the card number, then a = then the expiration number, a service code, and some specific code which "validates" the card |
| 19:04.18 | znf | 15 years ago when I was a kid and we did "carding" I learned how silly some banks are |
| 19:04.42 | znf | there was a bank (Chase?) that all it needed were a few zeros |
| 19:05.19 | znf | so you hard card number + "=" + exp date + 3 zeros + fill up with zeros and a "1" |
| 19:06.07 | znf | so all you needed was card number, expiration date and their pin |
| 19:06.25 | znf | and you could withdraw up to $500 from ATMs |
| 19:06.32 | znf | and it would reset at midnight |
| 19:06.47 | znf | so basically, if you did a $500 transaction at 23:59, then you could do another one at 00:01 |
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| 23:09.04 | quiescens | o.o |
| 23:11.31 | quiescens | is there much incentive for them to secure it though? |
| 23:11.42 | quiescens | who is liable for the amount lost? |
| 23:13.56 | quiescens | besides, your pin is supposed to be secret anyway, so if they have that and your card number, that's supposed to be the hard part |
| 23:16.04 | quiescens | kind of like saying, well if they have your username and your password, the system is totally vulnerable o.o |
| 23:17.26 | foxlit | if all it takes to get into your authenticator-protected battle.net account was the username and password, you'd probably be upset. |
| 23:18.54 | foxlit | (the card itself is supposed to be a physical token that's not trivial to duplicate, so as long as it's in your physical posession, there shouldn't be a problem) |
| 23:21.58 | foxlit | (and generally, banks are liable for any loss that they can't prove is a direct consequence of you handing over the card + pin to someone else) |
| 23:23.41 | nevcairiel | its still funny how insecure many banking things actually are |
| 23:24.01 | nevcairiel | you know the "password" to log into online banking for m any banks is still a 4-5 digit numeric pin |
| 23:25.40 | quiescens | i think they historically relied on the classic "if you fail x times your account gets locked" thing |
| 23:26.05 | nevcairiel | yeah so i can go around and lock other peoples accounts without much hassle |
| 23:27.17 | quiescens | banks also basically rely on law enforcement penalties for security |