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| 02:41.38 | znf | hi. |
| 02:41.46 | znf | have I mentioned how much I dislike Qt today? |
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| 03:53.45 | pompy | znf: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/05/25/ilie-nastase-arrested-twice-space-six-hours/ you ok, znf? |
| 06:39.00 | quiescens | moo |
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| 10:16.18 | nevcairiel | oh phew amazon saved the expanse |
| 10:16.42 | nevcairiel | why does anyone still make shows for SyFy just to have them canceled immediately, just go to the proper place immediately |
| 10:43.55 | quiescens | o.o |
| 11:00.02 | znf | Hmm. This is interesting. |
| 11:00.09 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 11:00.22 | Stanzilla | I accidently took my sleeping pills this morning |
| 11:00.26 | Stanzilla | this day is tough |
| 11:00.37 | znf | GDPR means that most if not all debt collection agencies operate illegally now. |
| 11:04.14 | wink | why? they have a vested interest in pursuing access to the debtor |
| 11:04.37 | wink | or what specifics do you mean? I'm not sure what exactly they do |
| 11:36.37 | znf | wink: the company to which you owe money shared your personal data with them, to which you haven't consented |
| 11:36.44 | znf | And they harass you on the phone |
| 11:37.16 | wink | if it's legal to sell that "title/entitlement to money" then you need the personal data to be able to use it. |
| 11:37.17 | znf | They call you and/or send you letters, emails etc |
| 11:37.24 | wink | so IANAL etc IMHO it'S legal |
| 11:37.37 | wink | it'S like you giving someone your address so they can ship your order |
| 11:37.46 | znf | https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/debt-collection-gdpr-what-you-need-know-paul-davies-mcicm |
| 11:37.48 | wink | it's elementary to be able to fulfill that actrion |
| 11:37.48 | znf | It's not |
| 11:37.58 | znf | Then sue me. |
| 11:38.01 | znf | Don't harass me. |
| 11:38.21 | quiescens | sues znf |
| 11:39.42 | wink | > Since getting their consent at the point you need it might be difficult, you may need to introduce a debt collection rights clause into your contracts, terms and conditions. This means that by working with you, your customers agree to have their information passed on to a third party debt collection agency in order to settle their accounts |
| 11:39.50 | wink | I think many companies have that already |
| 11:39.56 | wink | just nobody reads the ToS |
| 11:40.58 | wink | I'm neither saying what most debt collectors do is fine or not morally objectionable |
| 11:41.32 | wink | I'm just saying if you are legally allowed selling "the right to collect X from Y" then I'd assume it goes without saying it's fine for them to contact you |
| 11:41.38 | wink | also, phone books exist |
| 11:42.39 | znf | actually phone books are technically illegal now |
| 11:42.53 | znf | also they don't list mobile phone numbers |
| 11:43.26 | quiescens | it could probably be argued that if you procure a service, being billed for it counts as an expected use of the data you proved |
| 11:43.35 | quiescens | provide* |
| 11:43.43 | wink | you can either continue arguing or at least see some of my points, and then disregard them :P |
| 11:43.49 | wink | exactly. |
| 11:44.17 | znf | quiescens, actually no |
| 11:44.42 | znf | under GDPR there's no "arguing" |
| 11:44.49 | znf | consent must explicitly be given |
| 11:51.52 | quiescens | iuno, there will probably be some compliance steps and such, but collecting moneys that are owed most likely will fall under some allowed category |
| 11:53.41 | znf | I don't disagree with that part. |
| 11:54.09 | znf | But they are not entitled to my phone number. Go trough the legal means, take me to court. Don't call me every day for a week. |
| 11:57.05 | nevcairiel | there is implicit consent for plenty things |
| 11:57.37 | nevcairiel | if you give amazon your shipping address its entirely implied that they can give it to the shipment company, because that is the only purpose of that information in the first place |
| 11:57.55 | nevcairiel | so yes, there is plenty room for arguing =p |
| 12:00.10 | quiescens | its not explicit pemission but its an allowed implicit because it would be considered a neccesary thing to provide the service |
| 12:00.33 | quiescens | payment processing is probably also considered a neccesary part of providing a service |
| 12:16.23 | znf | https://www.quora.com/Under-GDPR-can-you-ask-debt-collector-s-banks-marketers-to-remove-your-phone-number-from-their-database-and-stop-calling-you-and-can-you-ask-them-to-prove-how-they-obtained-your-number |
| 12:21.13 | wink | that's a different thing |
| 12:21.25 | wink | GDPR means that most if not all debt collection agencies operate illegally now. |
| 12:21.42 | wink | so until you tell them to delete your data and not call you, it might be a grey area |
| 12:21.54 | wink | also I thought you meant "collecting money" by "operat illegally" |
| 12:21.58 | wink | not strictly the phone calls |
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| 12:27.53 | nevcairiel | debt collection has always been rather gray of an area, but they can work legally, they just need to try |
| 12:31.32 | znf | wink, the part I'm after is that the company to which I owe money has shared my data (ie: my phone number) with a 3rd party (the debt collection agency) |
| 12:32.42 | nevcairiel | and the key is that this is not necessarily illegal |
| 12:32.44 | wink | I got that now |
| 12:34.49 | znf | taht guy says: |
| 12:34.50 | znf | With all of these, theyâll be in breach of the GDPR unless theyâve notified you |
| 12:36.22 | nevcairiel | so they'll tell you in the future, and you still get people looking for money? =p |
| 12:36.56 | znf | They'll see no fucking cent from me for that contract |
| 12:37.25 | nevcairiel | Not paying for a contract is also technically illegal |
| 12:39.06 | znf | they billed me for a service they never provided |
| 12:39.29 | znf | tl;dr - in December 2016 I signed up for internet in a new place I was about to rent |
| 12:39.48 | znf | they came, they did the installation, I went and paid for the installation, that was normal and ok |
| 12:40.03 | znf | then I didn't want to rent that place anymore |
| 12:40.36 | znf | so I went back to them, told them I want to cancel the service there, they told me that they can't cancel it right away, and that it's better to suspend the service for 1 year in the case I'm gonna change my mind |
| 12:40.50 | znf | December 2017, I get a call, "your service will be reactivated next month" |
| 12:41.12 | znf | and I'm like, no, I don't want to reactivate that service as I don't even live in that city anymore, nevermind actually living at that address |
| 12:41.54 | nevcairiel | maybe your country should get less shady debt laws |
| 12:49.47 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/liiY9xD.png |
| 12:49.56 | znf | is this "we suck at GDPR, so we blocked the whole EU"? |
| 13:02.50 | Funkeh` | works here, what ip are you being given |
| 13:03.46 | quiescens | 2 |
| 13:04.14 | nevcairiel | works for me too |
| 13:04.28 | quiescens | maybe they just blocked znf specifically |
| 13:04.55 | nevcairiel | probably a good idea |
| 13:05.23 | Funkeh` | ah, it's cloudfront |
| 13:05.55 | znf | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TWlMQHS2/Screenshot_2018-05-26-16-05-32.png |
| 13:06.25 | znf | (this is from an ovh box) |
| 13:06.38 | Funkeh` | i'm getting pushed to www. |
| 13:07.24 | znf | www works indeed |
| 13:07.32 | quiescens | silleh znf |
| 13:07.39 | quiescens | gives znf a cookie |
| 13:07.41 | Funkeh` | more like retarded site owner |
| 13:07.42 | nevcairiel | seems to me like they switched to cloudfront and forgot to carry over the non-www |
| 13:08.33 | znf | Friend shared the link on Twitter |
| 13:08.39 | znf | But he shared it without www |
| 13:08.53 | znf | He was reporting that it works for him |
| 13:08.55 | Funkeh` | people should just stop using www =P |
| 13:09.02 | Funkeh` | and people that force it are awful |
| 13:09.05 | znf | Indeed they should |
| 13:12.25 | Funkeh` | yeah treehugger.com only returns 2 ips |
| 17:20.40 | Primer | There are reasons to force people to ww |
| 17:20.42 | Primer | w |
| 19:35.19 | Stanzilla | znf: https://youtu.be/nKLO5za1wMg?t=319 |
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| 21:02.06 | znf | Waist of Time was datamined in the last beta build with a swinging pendulum but the recent update seems to have removed it from the cosmetic belt! |
| 21:02.08 | znf | geez, I wonder why... |
| 21:02.13 | znf | https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2018/may/waistOfTime.jpg |
| 21:20.30 | nebula | someone needs to rein in those interns |
| 21:38.46 | Gnarfoz | sorry for ruining the running gag, but I'm pretty sure no interns work on items :D |
| 21:44.11 | Gnarfoz | [20:49:37] <Stanzilla> and this will get even better with Treble <-- maybe, but all the planets aligning to actually allow people to make custom roms is far more critical (drivers for everything, complete kernel sources, somebody caring to maintain a device, some way to actually get custom software onto the device in the first place; additionally, hopefully no drawbacks like "ok, but your camera now sucks, your battery charges slowly, and maybe |
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| 22:57.55 | quiescens | o.o |
