| 00:11.08 | Stanzilla | https://cloud.google.com/text-to-speech/ |
| 00:14.17 | Stanzilla | https://www.google.de/search?q=99+luftballons+lyrics&oq=99+luftballons+lyrics&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.7870j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 |
| 00:14.21 | Stanzilla | pretty good :D |
| 00:14.44 | nevcairiel | english lyrics, really? |
| 00:17.00 | Stanzilla | there is no German WaveNet yet |
| 00:20.57 | znf | uh |
| 00:21.01 | znf | this is pretty good |
| 00:21.08 | znf | someone go make BigWigs voice package |
| 00:22.41 | znf | eu-US-Wavenet-F |
| 00:26.59 | znf | 0 to 1 million characters$16.00 USD / 1 million characters |
| 00:27.01 | znf | hmmm |
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| 08:35.48 | nebula | znf: aws polly is cheaper |
| 08:36.41 | quiescens | moo |
| 09:21.15 | nevcairiel | nebula: up to 1mil is free, you probably get pretty far with that making bigwigs voice strings |
| 09:21.33 | nevcairiel | also i dont like F, it sounds too artiificla |
| 09:21.41 | nevcairiel | artificial |
| 09:22.48 | nebula | ah, i wonder how the ivona voices compare vs wavenet |
| 10:37.56 | Gnarfoz | I need to search the URL archives of this channel for that other tts voice thing from within the last 2 years |
| 10:38.14 | Gnarfoz | which appeared twice but has still not made it into a product (it was so good) |
| 10:39.39 | nevcairiel | the only thing i remember was googles research page |
| 10:39.45 | nevcairiel | which presumably went into that product |
| 10:42.39 | Gnarfoz | also lol cloud.google.com, still can't try it out because google is too dumb for taxes |
| 10:43.51 | Gnarfoz | or maybe you can? I'm not sure at which point in the sign up process the "sorry, didn't have time to implement VAT" message came up |
| 10:44.55 | nevcairiel | i could sign up for my free trial anyway |
| 10:45.18 | Gnarfoz | magic, seems like they stopped being bad for a minute |
| 10:45.50 | nevcairiel | hm i'm signed in to some other project though, isnt there like a personal variant not tied to a project |
| 10:46.55 | nevcairiel | guess i can just make a new one for testing |
| 10:48.17 | Gnarfoz | https://stackoverflow.com/a/48764093/687704 says they realized 500 million potential users might warrant spending 2 days of figuring out how to VAT in January 2018 |
| 10:48.19 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 10:49.27 | Gnarfoz | still the same as before in Russia, though |
| 10:49.45 | Gnarfoz | https://cloud.google.com/billing/docs/resources/vat-overview big fat red warning |
| 10:58.12 | Gnarfoz | one thing this wavenet thing still does is ignore line breaks |
| 10:58.28 | Gnarfoz | how hard can it be to treat it as a full stop? ^^ |
| 10:58.47 | Gnarfoz | (prime example: Stanzilla's 99 red balloons lyric suggestion) |
| 10:59.22 | nevcairiel | switch it over to the ssml thing, with the annotiation you can do a lot of fancy things |
| 11:00.58 | Gnarfoz | probably. I just replaced all line endings with periods, which is a bit much |
| 11:01.24 | nevcairiel | technically a line break is not a sentence break |
| 11:01.28 | nevcairiel | it might just be formatted odly |
| 11:01.34 | nevcairiel | +d |
| 11:01.57 | nevcairiel | we have punctuation for a reason |
| 11:02.49 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 11:02.59 | Gnarfoz | a line break should cause something, though |
| 11:03.17 | Gnarfoz | ninety-nine red balloons go by ninety-nine red balloons sounds odd. :P |
| 11:03.36 | Gnarfoz | like balloons A are walking past balloons B |
| 11:03.47 | Gnarfoz | https://research.googleblog.com/2017/12/tacotron-2-generating-human-like-speech.html it was this I was referring to, Tacotron |
| 11:03.58 | Gnarfoz | which refers to WaveNet as "past work" :D |
| 11:04.27 | Gnarfoz | examples for the lazy https://google.github.io/tacotron/publications/tacotron2/index.html |
| 11:04.35 | nevcairiel | oh yeah that was that google research page |
| 11:04.46 | nevcairiel | and it definitely sounds better then wavenet |
| 11:04.52 | nevcairiel | but maybe its not quite ready et |
| 11:08.44 | Gnarfoz | is anything ever |
| 11:09.03 | nebula | your mom was ready last night |
| 11:09.20 | Gnarfoz | ready for you to be done after a minute |
| 11:10.10 | Gnarfoz | I read about Android Auto maybe finally getting wireless video transfer (i.e. instead of having to use USB); I wonder if that's something my car could be updated to use... (it does have wifi, but afaik it can only act as a client) |
| 11:10.12 | nebula | hey man, i got things to do |
| 11:10.58 | quiescens | try to take over the world |
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| 12:14.13 | Gnarfoz | also, when can I has this fancy new speech synthesis on my phone |
| 12:14.43 | Gnarfoz | wouldn't that be a "killer app" for those otherwise useless "AI cores" some vendors are now including? |
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| 12:53.27 | znf | Fun fact Gnarfoz |
| 12:54.31 | znf | If you want to use apple carplay with bmw idrive, you have to get the "bmw connected drive" package which is a yearly subscription |
| 13:20.15 | starfox | gotta milk them |
| 13:21.29 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 15:20.38 | znf | I get my news of the day from Stanzilla's twitter feed |
| 15:24.32 | Stanzilla | pretty good, eh? |
| 15:27.09 | Funkeh` | that's disturbing to know |
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| 15:32.44 | znf | I would like to slap whoever tought that limit was sane |
| 15:32.45 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/IQcgpH8.png |
| 15:33.09 | starfox | gotta put it somewhere |
| 15:34.35 | wink | it's like binary but for email. there's only 5,10,15,20,25,... :P |
| 15:35.07 | starfox | like you wouldn't complain if it was 12,483mb |
| 15:35.19 | znf | ...and I had to re-encode it from 60MB |
| 15:35.26 | znf | do you know how fucking long it takes to encode a 4min WebM? |
| 15:35.27 | znf | >_< |
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| 15:35.43 | wink | in before: why is the gold cap 214,748 Gold, 36 Silver and 46 Copper. (at some pint in time) |
| 15:35.45 | starfox | on your gameboy? probably a week |
| 15:39.08 | Funkeh` | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/476291819/the-world-of-warcraft-diary |
| 15:41.10 | znf | wink, 32bit int |
| 15:41.11 | znf | doh |
| 15:41.26 | wink | you didnt get it, nvm |
| 15:41.50 | znf | :( |
| 15:41.55 | starfox | jokes have to fly below the carpet to not go over his head |
| 15:42.19 | Funkeh` | but is it a magic carpet |
| 15:43.02 | znf | still, 25MB is arbitrary |
| 15:45.38 | znf | If there's one thing that Facebook pisses me off about, it's not even the whole data leak and manipulation and privacy issues and whatever |
| 15:45.48 | znf | It's the fucking digital degradation |
| 15:46.19 | znf | Upload PNG to facebook -> add JPEG until you can't fucking make the details in the image |
| 15:46.29 | znf | Same with Videos |
| 15:46.51 | znf | Basically you'd think that digital media would last forever in the original form and suffer no degradation over the time, but... |
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| 15:55.17 | silentium | znf: does the "transparent pixel" trick work with facebook? |
| 15:55.39 | silentium | (make one pixel transparent so it doesn't convert the image to jpeg, works for some sites) |
| 15:56.24 | znf | never tried it, but I doubt it |
| 15:56.35 | znf | not intentionally I mean |
| 15:56.45 | znf | but I've probably uploaded transparent PNGs and they were added a white background |
| 15:57.32 | silentium | eww |
| 15:57.34 | znf | http://needsmorejpeg.com/ |
| 16:01.47 | starfox | got enough jpegs, thanks |
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| 17:17.55 | Gnarfoz | <znf> If you want to use apple carplay with bmw idrive, you have to get the "bmw connected drive" package which is a yearly subscription <-- sounds pretty German |
| 17:18.07 | znf | lol |
| 17:18.30 | Gnarfoz | MirrorLink is still a thing here in some cars |
| 17:19.14 | Gnarfoz | while I don't think it's a subscription with VW, I'm sure smartphone stuff on my mom's car could be "unlocked" through software |
| 17:19.38 | Gnarfoz | wonder if that's possible with that 3rd party VAG software that I forgot the name of |
| 17:19.53 | znf | VCDS |
| 17:19.58 | Gnarfoz | that one |
| 17:20.58 | znf | you need to have the hardware for it, apparently |
| 17:21.01 | znf | then you can activate it |
| 17:21.34 | Gnarfoz | wasn't the point of VCDS that you can do it without getting official VW garage-only hardware/software? |
| 17:21.54 | Gnarfoz | i.e. get usb/obd plug, cross/add some wires possibly? |
| 17:23.31 | znf | no, I mean |
| 17:23.33 | nebula | i mean, if the value is stored in the ecm, sure, otherwise probably not so much with vag-com |
| 17:23.50 | znf | the software option to enable that needs the hardware component for it :P |
| 17:23.55 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 17:23.58 | Gnarfoz | yeah it has that |
| 17:24.22 | Gnarfoz | the infotainment system has the button for it or you can swipe there, but it says something like "yeah you didn't pay for this, yet" |
| 17:24.23 | znf | some media things don't have it, it's apparently an extra option just to "prepare" for it, and then you need to activate it via a softwre key |
| 17:24.26 | Gnarfoz | (not sure what it says) |
| 17:24.29 | znf | Ah, cool |
| 17:24.31 | znf | VCDS then |
| 17:24.36 | Gnarfoz | discover media I think |
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| 17:24.49 | Gnarfoz | maybe I'll look that up one day ^^ |
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| 17:25.40 | znf | every time I think abou the VW multimedia thing... I can't believe how had it is |
| 17:25.48 | znf | it's worse than BMWs |
| 17:26.27 | starfox | are there cars with good multimedia things? |
| 17:26.28 | starfox | :S |
| 17:26.52 | znf | ...good point :D |
| 17:27.14 | starfox | new car has one too, at least i can plug in my phone and it starts android auto |
| 17:27.18 | starfox | so i guess i got that going for me |
| 17:27.43 | Gnarfoz | I like mine, but who doesn't, I guess |
| 17:27.57 | znf | I was disappointed by the iDrive |
| 17:28.05 | starfox | well, yea not like i got much to compare it too |
| 17:28.25 | starfox | it plays radio and connects my phone with bt |
| 17:28.31 | starfox | not like i want much more from it |
| 17:30.00 | starfox | but good to know i can have google maps on it too when i'm in bumfuck whatever |
| 17:30.01 | starfox | :7 |
| 17:30.36 | Gnarfoz | the final step up right now would be Android Auto without USB |
| 17:30.47 | znf | apparently CarPlay can do that |
| 17:30.53 | Gnarfoz | not that I"m aware of |
| 17:31.11 | starfox | yea :) |
| 17:31.19 | znf | BMW can |
| 17:31.20 | znf | https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/carplay/#wireless_carplay |
| 17:31.27 | Gnarfoz | wireless AA is in the works, no idea if there are any cars that support it, yet |
| 17:31.55 | znf | BMW does it... |
| 17:32.07 | znf | I mean CarPlay |
| 17:32.12 | znf | sorry, I didn't pick up on "AA" |
| 17:32.50 | Fisker | It's already out Gnarfoz |
| 17:33.06 | Gnarfoz | the APK is, but I wrote something else |
| 17:33.31 | Fisker | Me too |
| 17:33.35 | Gnarfoz | (also the APK just contains bits and pieces that point to it happening? AFAIK) |
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| 17:33.53 | Gnarfoz | " connecting to the car over Bluetooth instead of through a Lightning cable. "? -- how would they transmit the video over bt |
| 17:34.45 | znf | do they actually transmit video? |
| 17:34.48 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 17:34.51 | Gnarfoz | well, Android does |
| 17:35.17 | Fisker | Apple does as well |
| 17:35.34 | starfox | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJadaqyhXp8 |
| 17:35.34 | Gnarfoz | but then I doubt Apple would allow anyone to include enough iOS into their own product (=the car) to allow transmitting just "hey I did this, please display it" |
| 17:35.34 | Fisker | It's just a variant of mirrorlink tech |
| 17:35.40 | starfox | i guess there is more than bits and pieces :P |
| 17:35.47 | Fisker | And you wouldn't be able to do the video over Bluetooth |
| 17:36.00 | znf | Gnarfoz, actually I think it does? |
| 17:36.10 | znf | else, wouldn't it be much simpler? |
| 17:36.27 | Gnarfoz | would what be simpler? |
| 17:36.55 | nebula | i'm pretty sure carplay is the full ios installed in the car |
| 17:37.02 | znf | wouldn't it be simpler to implement if the phone would do all the work (and just send a video stream to the car, while somehow processing inputs)? |
| 17:37.11 | Gnarfoz | that's how it is. |
| 17:37.24 | znf | I'm with nebula on this one |
| 17:37.29 | znf | well, not "full", but a lot of it |
| 17:37.30 | Fisker | It's not nebula |
| 17:38.07 | Gnarfoz | you just said "wouldn't it be simpler if it was this way", and then you continue with "but I'm with nebula, it's probably not that way"? :D cynicism, I guess |
| 17:38.58 | znf | no dude |
| 17:39.00 | nebula | really? i remember when people first found it in the firmware and could enable it |
| 17:39.09 | znf | I said: wouldn't it be simpler if it was just a stupid video stream? |
| 17:39.30 | Gnarfoz | it IS a stupid video stream :D |
| 17:39.35 | znf | and I mean - it seems that manufacturers take a lot of time to implement it |
| 17:39.39 | znf | which leads me to believe it's not just that |
| 17:39.51 | Fisker | Cars are complex znf |
| 17:40.00 | znf | cars are less complex than you think :P |
| 17:40.08 | znf | I've studied the bla... I mean CAN Bus |
| 17:40.28 | Gnarfoz | the display is probably the easiest part |
| 17:40.36 | Fisker | Continuous integration on a car is like several weeks/months from commit to production |
| 17:41.44 | Gnarfoz | nebula: enable what in which firmware? |
| 17:41.49 | Fisker | And no that's not commit to customer then we're talking years if ever |
| 17:42.50 | nebula | switch to the carplay ui in the standard ios ipsw |
| 17:44.00 | Gnarfoz | ipsw? |
| 17:44.05 | nebula | sorry, firmware |
| 17:44.13 | Gnarfoz | well duh |
| 17:44.13 | znf | ipsw is the file format of the firmware :P |
| 17:44.24 | znf | or, extension? whatever |
| 17:44.34 | Gnarfoz | of course that's possible, since the phone is where the video output that gets displayed on the car display is rendered |
| 17:44.51 | Gnarfoz | (well ok, they could make it impossible. I just mean of course you would find that stuff in the phone firmware) |
| 17:46.02 | nebula | i know nothing about how this stuff works, i just assumed the car ran the full version of ios and was more like rdp than vnc |
| 17:46.29 | znf | anyway, what I want from a car infotainment hasn't been done yet, I think :P |
| 17:46.30 | Gnarfoz | what kind of differentiation would you make between rdp and vnc? I don't follow :D |
| 17:46.38 | Fisker | Me neither |
| 17:47.15 | Gnarfoz | also, how does the phone behave when CarPlay is being used? is the phone usable at all? |
| 17:47.20 | nebula | vnc just sinces an image, rdp sends control info and the client renders it |
| 17:47.35 | Gnarfoz | RDP also sends bitmaps over the wire |
| 17:47.35 | nebula | just sends* |
| 17:48.03 | Gnarfoz | maybe it has multiple modes? idk |
| 17:48.34 | Fisker | It has some shit |
| 17:49.11 | znf | if I think about iDrive was decent from a UI point of view, I even liked the navigation style of it |
| 17:49.15 | Fisker | So it can do real time stuff |
| 17:49.24 | Fisker | But that's vista and newer |
| 17:49.31 | znf | the integration of the phone is lacking unfortunately |
| 17:49.39 | znf | no real-time map updates is another bummer |
| 17:49.52 | znf | I would like Waze's data points, but iDrive's navigation style, for example |
| 17:49.59 | Gnarfoz | "Support for remoting the Aero Glass Theme (or Composed Desktop), including ClearType font-smoothing technology." -- I guess if you need support for specific features, that means you're not just sending a video |
| 17:52.27 | Gnarfoz | anyhow, so... both CarPlay and Android Auto have software support for wireless connection, but apart from supposedly a single BMW car supporting Car Play, and 3rd party head units supporting Android Auto, nothing supports it? great |
| 17:53.37 | znf | Car Manufactuers are fossils :D |
| 17:53.58 | nevcairiel | aero glass theme? from when is this? :p |
| 17:54.10 | znf | Vista :D |
| 17:54.21 | znf | I remember something about "rdpx" |
| 17:54.23 | znf | or some crap like that |
| 17:59.48 | Fisker | There's like a billion cars supporting it Gnarfoz ? |
| 18:01.43 | znf | I think he meant Wireless CarPlay |
| 18:02.02 | Fisker | Oh |
| 18:04.48 | znf | I think! |
| 18:04.49 | znf | :P |
| 18:11.57 | Gnarfoz | (basically the entire convo was rooted in "wtb wireless phone integration, for car infotainment nirvana") |
| 18:12.59 | nebula | maybe in another 10 years /comfort |
| 18:16.08 | Gnarfoz | next-ish car, then |
| 19:14.47 | znf | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/t1XZ39Wo/20180328_221023_HDR%7E2.jpg |
| 19:14.50 | znf | Gnarfoz |
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| 22:44.45 | Gnarfoz | that seems slightly undercooked :P |
| 22:45.02 | Gnarfoz | also, I ate too much sushi |
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