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01:52.58 | Gethe__ | Primer: if you get a pixel 2, I would definitely check out project Fi. https://g.co/fi/r/T6U4VX |
02:01.35 | Funkeh` | "$10/GB" rofl |
02:01.39 | Funkeh` | imagine paying that much |
02:19.24 | znf | keep in mind it's cheap for them :D |
02:20.23 | znf | >c 1 btc to usd |
02:20.25 | Catal1na | 1 BTC == 9604.17 USD (03+10.23%) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin |
02:20.26 | znf | :-( |
02:21.06 | Funkeh` | >c 1 eth to usd |
02:21.07 | Catal1na | 1 ETH == 725.978 USD (03+6.90%) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum |
02:22.06 | Gethe__ | pretty much, most plans here are $70+ for a single line. many of those are "unlimited" data, but on Fi if you use more than 6G data is free |
02:23.44 | znf | >c 22360 etn to usd |
02:23.46 | Catal1na | 22360 ETN == 1149.679648 USD (03+6.99%) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/electroneum |
02:23.48 | znf | pennies |
02:23.56 | znf | should have cashed out at $0.24 |
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03:06.30 | Funkeh` | Gethe__: is "1 line" basically 1 phone? |
03:07.15 | Gethe__ | yeah |
03:09.17 | Gethe | most multi-line plans are cheaper per line, but cost more overall. |
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13:02.50 | Infus | Funkeh``, nevcairiel: That's how the more or less final usage of the numeric width looks like: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/273144328447197186/422199753359753227/multipletriggers.png |
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14:39.05 | Stanzilla | needs more vertical align :D |
14:43.24 | Fisker | can I vertically align you Stanzilla? |
14:44.51 | Stanzilla | sure |
14:46.52 | znf | nevcairiel, what was that process manager for node? |
14:48.17 | znf | ah, pm2 |
14:48.42 | Fisker | what happened to pm1? |
14:50.46 | Stanzilla | https://www.oled-info.com/google-developed-1443-ppi-43-120hz-vr-amoled-display |
14:50.48 | Stanzilla | giev |
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14:58.22 | znf | I can't get the script to be automatically set up |
15:05.55 | nevcairiel | 4.3" is relatively small, so the super high DPI doesnt mean that much if you have to have lenses to bloat it up again |
15:12.17 | nevcairiel | too lazy to do math to figure out what the comparable dpi would be on a bigger display |
15:13.44 | znf | nevcairiel, how the hell do you use this thing? |
15:13.59 | nevcairiel | i dont share my secrets |
15:14.15 | znf | :( |
15:14.24 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/QttuEUN.png :( |
15:14.39 | nevcairiel | i'm sure there is guides you can read like any normal person |
15:15.21 | znf | http://pm2.keymetrics.io/docs/usage/quick-start/ |
15:15.25 | znf | doesn't work :D |
15:27.14 | znf | meh, I had to use: pm2 start --name my-app nmp -- start app.js |
15:27.15 | znf | :-| |
16:26.55 | Fisker | Old Stanzilla |
16:29.29 | Primer | znf: so yeah, after all that talk about how to backup android...my lg v10 just up and died last night |
16:29.40 | Primer | one minute it was running, the next it was dead, never to reboot again |
16:29.45 | nevcairiel | isnt that why one has backups in the first place |
16:29.55 | znf | Primer, boot loop! |
16:33.47 | Primer | I dunno. I shows the LG logo, looks like it's gonna boot, screen turns off, then the LG logo comes back once, then turns off and stays off. I have to pull the battery to reset it. |
16:34.22 | znf | that's the boot loop |
16:35.51 | Primer | Thing is, it was up and running when it just died out of the blue. Battery was fine at the time too. |
16:36.34 | Primer | I'm saying that it wasn't in the process of newly booting when I discovered that it was dead. It had been booted for a while. I was in the middle of doing stuff, picked it up...dead. Then it never came back. |
16:39.35 | znf | that's how the boot loop happens |
16:39.44 | znf | I've been trough it with my G4 |
16:40.27 | Primer | Sigh...I need to buy a phone TODAY |
16:40.48 | Primer | I looked at the pixel 2...the bezels are sofa king ugly |
16:40.56 | Primer | Why would anyone buy that phone? |
16:41.08 | Primer | The XL seemed OK |
16:41.39 | Primer | I also took a look at the LG v30. It's _very_ nice. I've read that the unlocked US version's bootloader has been unlocked too. |
16:42.14 | Primer | But I'm not seeing too much dev activity around it |
16:42.33 | Primer | The fact that I simply need a working phone today means I'll probably end up just getting the v30 and hoping for the best. |
16:42.56 | Primer | At the very least I want to get root, even if I can't install a custom rom right away |
16:43.41 | Primer | And root's strictly for uninstalling bloatware, putting an ad blocking hosts file in place, unencumbered wifi tethering, etc. |
16:43.42 | Stanzilla | or get one of the nokias |
16:43.52 | Primer | Why you troll me? |
16:44.03 | Stanzilla | I dont |
16:44.11 | Primer | Nobody uses nokia |
16:44.18 | Stanzilla | more people should |
16:44.22 | znf | uhm |
16:44.23 | Stanzilla | they build really nice android phones now |
16:44.33 | znf | We know you're old, but you do know the new Nokias are quite nice, right? :P |
16:45.18 | Primer | unlikely |
16:46.34 | Stanzilla | looks like they don't see them in the US though |
16:46.49 | Stanzilla | https://www.nokia.com/en_us/phones/android-phones vs https://www.nokia.com/de_de/phones/android-phones |
16:47.14 | Stanzilla | *sell |
16:49.00 | znf | ah |
16:49.04 | znf | poor usians |
16:50.14 | Primer | wow, a post on XDA talks about baking your phone to fix it |
16:50.21 | Primer | I guess this is the desoldering of the CPI? |
16:50.23 | Primer | CPU |
16:50.34 | znf | yeah, some pins get fucked up due to bad soldering job |
16:50.51 | znf | basically the "big" cores stop working properly |
16:51.08 | znf | for G4 there was a tool to boot up with disabled cores |
16:51.08 | Primer | https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=70997016&postcount=7 |
16:51.35 | znf | you can use a blow dryer |
16:51.38 | znf | or try freezing it :P |
16:51.51 | znf | basically any temperature change could fix it |
16:51.57 | znf | reballing the mobo, too |
16:53.05 | Megalon | you'd think they would have figured soldering stuff out |
16:53.09 | Megalon | after all those years |
16:53.38 | Megalon | or is it because "make it productioncosts $.50 lower"? |
16:54.47 | znf | It's because of the shitty chipset |
16:55.21 | znf | V10/G4 use the Snapdragon 808 |
16:56.18 | znf | 808 is the "fixed" 810, the 810 had overheating issues back then, which made most manufacturers stop using it |
16:56.37 | znf | so Qualcomm went all #yolo, let's disable some cores and still sell this crap |
16:56.41 | znf | but still overheating |
16:56.44 | Primer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUF9sQKzRes there's no way I'm going through something like that to try to resuscitate this phone |
16:57.29 | znf | so due to many hot/cold cycles, the soldering job would start degrading the alloy |
16:57.49 | znf | it dies in time |
17:01.47 | Primer | ugh, makes me not want to buy another LG |
17:02.20 | znf | hardly their fault |
17:02.26 | Funkeh` | nokia is the future |
17:02.34 | znf | well, their fault, yes |
17:02.36 | Primer | Having back QA is not their fault? |
17:02.39 | Primer | bad |
17:02.43 | Primer | wtf brain |
17:02.44 | znf | the issue only appears after 1+ year |
17:02.45 | znf | :P |
17:02.56 | znf | not sure how they could do QA for a year :D |
17:03.26 | znf | but I don't know enough about hardware QA |
17:04.08 | Primer | every video I've seen where people fix the bootloop issue involves taking the phone apart, and I'm just not willing to do that |
17:05.27 | znf | Primer, basically https://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/core-disabling-tool-available-t3380892 |
17:05.28 | Primer | Such wild price variations |
17:05.32 | znf | there was/is a tool for it |
17:05.37 | znf | at least for the G4 |
17:05.41 | znf | that would disable the BIG cores |
17:06.00 | Primer | Not sure what I'm reading here... |
17:06.11 | Primer | Sounds like this requires a running phone |
17:06.16 | Primer | I don't have such a thing |
17:06.41 | znf | technically you could flash it from the bootloader :) |
17:06.46 | znf | but your phone is AT&T |
17:06.48 | znf | so... no idea |
17:06.51 | Primer | was gonna say |
17:07.08 | Primer | That article also talks about things that require root |
17:07.11 | Primer | I didn't have that either |
17:07.30 | Primer | ok, well, I need to find a store where I can go and pick up a new phone... |
17:07.36 | Primer | best buy only sells carrier phones |
17:08.20 | znf | still, to get your shit from it, try putting it in the freezer |
17:08.25 | Primer | In the meantime, I'm using my old S3 running that LsomethingOs |
17:08.26 | znf | put it in a plastic bag |
17:08.41 | Primer | which, oddly, is android 7...my v10 is still on 6 |
17:08.54 | znf | could get you some running time to get your backups of it |
17:11.01 | Primer | I factory reset it over the weekend, remember? |
17:11.23 | znf | yes, does that mean you already have your stuff backed up? :P |
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17:26.52 | znf | My operator's texting service seems dead |
17:26.54 | znf | no SMS in/out |
17:36.39 | Funkeh` | but sms authentication is fantastic |
17:38.47 | Primer | The only shit I care about on my phone were whatever videos or pics it had, and I backed those up before I factor reset |
18:03.50 | znf | hmm, operator says there's no issue with SMS on their network |
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18:27.02 | Gnarfoz | seems like my Chrome dev fixed itself, good job Chrome |
18:31.42 | Gnarfoz | or not? |
18:31.43 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
18:31.47 | Gnarfoz | hm |
18:32.04 | Gnarfoz | why do I have a THIRD Chrome now that has the taskbar icon with DEV on it |
18:32.11 | Gnarfoz | my regular dev Chrome doesn't have that |
18:32.46 | Megalon | ChromeSetup.exe is onto you, ma boi |
18:32.49 | Megalon | U DUN GOOF'D!!! |
18:33.30 | Gnarfoz | #JustGoogleThings |
18:37.10 | Stanzilla | they switched to a different installer model |
18:37.18 | Stanzilla | so you probably manually installed somethign while trying to fix it |
18:37.22 | Stanzilla | and now have the old and the new model |
18:39.42 | Gnarfoz | just yesterday? that'd be an odd coincidence |
18:39.58 | Stanzilla | no but you never manually reinstalled since then |
18:40.18 | Gnarfoz | more like when I installed dev in 2015, they didn't have the properly segregated, "can-install-all-versions-in-parallel" installers, yet |
18:40.35 | nevcairiel | your OS from 2015? so dirty |
18:40.54 | Gnarfoz | doesn't make an inch of a difference, this isn't windows 98 |
18:40.55 | Gnarfoz | :D |
18:41.03 | Megalon | so it's ME, got ya |
18:41.25 | nevcairiel | you might not have this problem if you reinstalled say last year |
18:41.26 | nevcairiel | so! |
18:41.56 | Gnarfoz | I could easily reinstall Chrome and my OS would keep being from 2015 ;) |
18:42.09 | Gnarfoz | but I like not having the dumb DEV badge on my primary browser, so... I'll pass |
18:42.24 | Gnarfoz | and I just saw that even the fresh Chrome Dev install went into the wrong program files dir |
18:42.26 | Stanzilla | it is really hard to keep a mixed setup working |
18:42.26 | Gnarfoz | so... bleh |
18:42.30 | Stanzilla | I symlinked my chrome folders |
18:42.33 | Stanzilla | but that breaks pretty often |
18:42.38 | Gnarfoz | I don't have a mixed setup, tho |
18:42.41 | Gnarfoz | I just have dev, that's it |
18:43.19 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: do you have DANE dns entries? |
18:43.21 | Gnarfoz | (or znf) |
18:43.30 | znf | no |
18:43.39 | nevcairiel | DANE is basically useless, so no |
18:43.52 | znf | nevcairiel, can I commit changes to some files directly to a new branch with git? |
18:44.02 | znf | ie: commit & create new branch in the same time |
18:44.08 | nevcairiel | no |
18:44.26 | nevcairiel | but creating a new branch is like one command |
18:44.27 | Stanzilla | your working copy travels with you |
18:44.30 | Stanzilla | when you create a branch |
18:44.37 | Stanzilla | so just branch and then commit |
18:45.18 | znf | so, how do I create a new branch? |
18:45.48 | nevcairiel | git checkout -b mynewbranchname |
18:46.10 | znf | ah, that also creates it, ok |
18:46.15 | nevcairiel | -b creates it |
18:46.51 | nevcairiel | you can also create a branch with "git branch", but checkout -b also switches to it automatically, which is often what you want anyway |
18:47.49 | znf | indeed |
18:48.33 | Gnarfoz | DANEs are useless? tell me more |
18:48.41 | nevcairiel | nothing supports it |
18:49.21 | Gnarfoz | postfix does? |
18:49.28 | nevcairiel | oh great? |
18:49.28 | nevcairiel | :D |
18:49.50 | Megalon | tell that to Fisker, *foz |
18:49.59 | nevcairiel | that'll drive world adoption, postfix does it! |
18:50.01 | Gnarfoz | so that's half of the internet's mail servers or something |
18:50.12 | nevcairiel | yeah but its mail |
18:50.15 | nevcairiel | what does that even m atter |
18:50.32 | Gnarfoz | guess I forgot to specify I was asking about mail |
18:51.28 | znf | gmail has the other half of the world |
18:51.43 | nevcairiel | what exactly do you want from it anyway |
18:52.15 | nevcairiel | if DANE had w ide adoption, it might be a nice way to retire the old CA model |
18:52.18 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt |
18:52.19 | nevcairiel | so |
18:53.36 | nevcairiel | (also DNSSEC is a bit annoying9 |
18:53.37 | nevcairiel | ) |
18:53.44 | Gnarfoz | for whom? |
18:54.00 | Gnarfoz | .de does DNSSEC, the only additional thing I need to do is add DANE RRs, no? |
18:54.42 | Gnarfoz | only one of the 4 modes DANE supports would be suitable for getting rid of CAs, though: the one where you say "trust this certificate <aaaaa>, and don't verify that it comes from a root you trust" |
18:54.42 | znf | dnssec is annoying overall |
18:54.49 | nevcairiel | my dns provider doesnt do dnssec, hence annoying =p |
18:54.50 | znf | don't you have to sign shit every time you change the zone? |
18:55.01 | Gnarfoz | no idea :p |
18:55.13 | Gnarfoz | regarding what I want from it: the reverse of CAA |
18:55.49 | nevcairiel | how does one reverse that |
18:55.52 | Gnarfoz | and don't reply with HPKP, that's been deprecated and the H in it means it'd just cover web browsers, not the rest of TLS |
18:55.54 | znf | I've happily stayed away from it |
18:56.04 | znf | dnssec that is |
18:56.24 | Gnarfoz | by saying "DANE, mode 0 or 2, letsencrypt's CA public key" |
18:56.50 | znf | you've done more research than us :D |
18:57.35 | nevcairiel | all I really know about DANE is that browsers dont support it, and that was mostly the end of my research |
18:59.28 | Gnarfoz | Chrome doesn't support it for the stupidest of reasons |
18:59.39 | Gnarfoz | because DNSSEC allows DNSSEC roots to be signed with 1024 bit rsa keys |
18:59.47 | Gnarfoz | and they want to "phase out 1024 bit RSA in browsers" |
19:00.19 | Gnarfoz | (also, they then go on to say "we have HPKP for that", but the blog post is old, and by now, HPKP has been deprecated AFAIK; it never left "experimental" state) |
19:00.36 | Gnarfoz | shrugs |
19:02.06 | Stanzilla | The dev channel has been updated to 66.0.3359.26 for Mac and Linux, and 66.0.3359.26/.27 for Windows. |
19:02.09 | Stanzilla | should be good now |
19:02.53 | Gnarfoz | 66.0.3359.22 is what I have and it works |
19:03.04 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how it revived itself, considering it was crashing on startup :D |
19:04.18 | Gnarfoz | hrm |
19:04.31 | Gnarfoz | what's the don't autoplay videos flag that I had before |
19:04.46 | Stanzilla | ctrl f autoplay |
19:04.51 | Gnarfoz | yeah that one doesn't work |
19:04.57 | Stanzilla | ¯_(ã)_/¯ |
19:04.57 | Gnarfoz | "require document blah" |
19:05.01 | Gnarfoz | also wonder why it reset |
19:33.11 | znf | weird |
19:33.16 | znf | I went and changed my SIM |
19:33.24 | znf | now I can get/send SMS again |
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19:33.46 | znf | never heard of an issue with the sim that prevents only sms send/receive, but everything else worked |
19:44.09 | Gnarfoz | basically everything can be because of SIMs ^^ |
19:47.54 | znf | still weird tough, why would SMS not work? |
20:02.23 | mitch0 | znf: stop using phones like nokia 3210 ;) |
20:02.31 | mitch0 | those stored messages on the sim |
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20:52.23 | znf | >xau 556 usd to eur |
20:52.24 | Catal1na` | 556.00 USD == 450.58 EUR |
20:52.45 | znf | Stanzilla, what do you know about Sony? |
20:53.07 | nevcairiel | that seems like a unspecific question |
20:53.35 | znf | Was looking at the XZ Premium |
20:53.45 | nevcairiel | oh phones |
20:53.50 | nevcairiel | you know they make a shitload of things |
20:54.25 | Stanzilla | pretty good |
20:55.19 | znf | ah, yes |
20:55.23 | znf | why would I ask Stanzilla otherwise? :D |
20:55.33 | Stanzilla | their tvs are good as well! |
20:55.35 | Stanzilla | so are notebooks! |
20:56.02 | nevcairiel | i have a sony tv, although my next one might not be if they dont change some things until next generation |
20:56.11 | Stanzilla | like what? |
20:56.24 | nevcairiel | they refuse to support HDR+ |
20:56.49 | nevcairiel | if i'm buying a new tv, i would like all possible technologies to be supported =p |
20:57.29 | Stanzilla | so they only have HDR10 and Dolby Vision? |
20:57.42 | nevcairiel | yeah |
20:58.06 | Stanzilla | I wish they could just join forces on one thing again |
20:58.16 | Stanzilla | at least the royalty free guys |
20:59.51 | nevcairiel | Samsung doesn't do DoVi because they basically invented HDR10+, Sony doesn't do HDR10+ because they are invested into DoVi, that only leaves very few in the middle that do both |
21:01.45 | znf | I just ignore their techs passively |
21:01.45 | znf | :D |
21:02.19 | znf | too many things to worry about |
21:03.24 | nevcairiel | gotta wait for next year anyway to get HDMI 2.1, maybe things change |
21:03.34 | znf | Anyway, never had a sony phone tough |
21:03.42 | znf | I remember there being issues with camera quality if you root |
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21:05.37 | Gnarfoz | same as on any highest end phone |
21:06.10 | Stanzilla | I never root phones |
21:06.20 | znf | I haven't heard about that with LG phones... |
21:06.33 | Gnarfoz | (oh well, no, camera quality just from *root* is a bit rarer. I was thinking of custom rom) |
21:06.51 | Gnarfoz | and yes, that's Sony |
21:06.59 | Gnarfoz | DRM keys for Bravia Engine blah |
21:07.08 | Gnarfoz | (both display and camera, afaik) |
21:07.14 | Stanzilla | sounds like bullshit |
21:07.21 | Stanzilla | get a nokia instead |
21:07.23 | Gnarfoz | for some it's possible to back them up beforehand, though, not sure which models |
21:07.35 | Gnarfoz | yeah, probably a better bet, you get free malware! |
21:07.45 | Stanzilla | wat |
21:07.59 | nevcairiel | malware is mostly free |
21:08.04 | nevcairiel | so dont make a big fuss about that! |
21:08.19 | Gnarfoz | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/banking-trojan-found-in-over-40-models-of-low-cost-android-smartphones/ |
21:08.39 | Gnarfoz | ...but I thought when I read that a few days ago it had a list including like, the Nokia 3, or so |
21:08.44 | Gnarfoz | i.e. only the lowest end model |
21:08.48 | Stanzilla | ctrl f nokia |
21:08.49 | Gnarfoz | but maybe I was thinking of bq |
21:08.49 | Stanzilla | no hits |
21:08.51 | Stanzilla | ,!,, |
21:08.52 | Gnarfoz | no shit, sherlock |
21:08.55 | Gnarfoz | read what I said |
21:09.02 | nevcairiel | thats why one doesnt buy cheap china phones |
21:09.10 | Gnarfoz | bq is from Spain ;c |
21:09.18 | nevcairiel | spain is the china of europe |
21:09.18 | Gnarfoz | also, Nokia is from China! |
21:09.39 | Stanzilla | no? |
21:09.50 | Stanzilla | hmd global is finland |
21:10.17 | Gnarfoz | "Manufacturing is outsourced to Foxconn." |
21:10.23 | Stanzilla | duh |
21:10.26 | Funkeh` | what isn't |
21:10.30 | Stanzilla | by that logic apple is china as well |
21:10.33 | nevcairiel | well duh, how much tech do you get that isnt made in china at l east partially |
21:10.45 | Gnarfoz | about nought percent |
21:10.46 | Gnarfoz | :D |
21:11.25 | nevcairiel | meh gotta get up early tomorrow, dont wanna |
21:11.27 | Gnarfoz | anyway, new nokia is doing good things so far |
21:12.17 | Stanzilla | I kinda wanted them to go the apple way and only do 1-5 models |
21:12.25 | Stanzilla | but I guess they need to make more money first |
21:12.34 | nevcairiel | 5 models is the apple way? |
21:12.42 | Stanzilla | 3 is apple |
21:12.48 | Gnarfoz | wanting anyone to do anything like Apple seems like a terrible idea :D |
21:12.50 | Stanzilla | I want to say 5 max or so |
21:13.14 | Stanzilla | dunno, apple is reaching the trillion dollar market cap soon |
21:13.20 | Stanzilla | one would say that is pretty good |
21:13.33 | Stanzilla | and focussing on only a few products is good as well |
21:13.54 | wink | apple isn't really a few products |
21:14.06 | wink | it's a few models per device, if that |
21:14.22 | Stanzilla | thats what I meant |
21:14.29 | Gnarfoz | I don't really care about their bank account. :p |
21:14.41 | Stanzilla | it is a measure of success |
21:15.03 | znf | does Nokia finally allow you to unlock the bootloader? |
21:15.19 | wink | are they still sturdy? |
21:15.23 | znf | or they still act like nobody asked them |
21:15.46 | Gnarfoz | it is *a* measure of success |
21:15.57 | Gnarfoz | I don't really care about their bank account. |
21:16.30 | znf | how many models does nokia have? |
21:16.57 | Gnarfoz | (the size of their bank account being largely influenced by people buying their products for a vast array of reasons, most certainly not limited to "they're the best!") |
21:17.03 | nevcairiel | Its a shame apple forgot how to innovate, now they are just a closed ecosystem with expensive products, and not even innovative anymore |
21:17.23 | Gnarfoz | znf: https://www.nokia.com/phones/all-phones |
21:17.29 | Gnarfoz | you're welcome :D |
21:17.45 | Stanzilla | https://www.nokia.com/de_de/phones/all-phones rather, not sure what .ro does |
21:17.55 | znf | so they went full retard |
21:18.18 | Gnarfoz | 9 Android, 9 idk what other OS they use |
21:23.48 | Stanzilla | znf: why? |
21:23.54 | Stanzilla | it's not THAT bad |
21:27.38 | znf | stick to low/mid/high end |
21:27.41 | znf | 3 models |
21:27.54 | znf | +1 extra-super-duper premium if that's your thing |
21:41.19 | Gnarfoz | Phixion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHyIdQ0ujQE |
21:42.50 | znf | Nokia 8 Sirocco |
21:42.51 | znf | hmmm |
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