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| 14:33.35 | znf | hey Gnarfoz https://github.com/huntergregal/mimipenguin |
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| 18:53.26 | Gnarfoz | nice, my Chrome crashes on startup |
| 18:53.40 | Megalon | security feature |
| 18:53.40 | nevcairiel | dont use dev? :) |
| 18:53.45 | Megalon | can't be pwnd if it won't start! |
| 18:54.23 | Gnarfoz | a rare occurence for dev |
| 18:55.33 | Gnarfoz | wonder how to best fix it, probably re-download the dev channel installer |
| 18:58.17 | Gnarfoz | love that the installers are all called ChromeSetup.exe, was probably too hard to give them unique names /s |
| 19:00.31 | Megalon | look at *foz and his multiple ChromeSetup.exe |
| 19:09.28 | Gnarfoz | I just overwrote it, so, just the one. :P |
| 19:26.33 | Megalon | kinky |
| 20:13.48 | znf | can't get hacked trough your browser if it crashes on startup |
| 20:30.35 | Stanzilla | it me, mario |
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| 20:38.20 | Primer | Hey, you guys are android people, right? |
| 20:38.25 | Primer | znf, Stanzilla |
| 20:38.43 | znf | sort of, Stanzilla more than me |
| 20:38.51 | Primer | I've posed a very simple question to #android, but I feel like I'm being trolled |
| 20:38.52 | znf | I'm an infidel, still on Android 6.0 |
| 20:39.06 | Primer | I have an lg v10 from at&t. Can't root it. Locked bootloader. |
| 20:39.30 | znf | Your first mistake was asking that sort of question in #android :D |
| 20:39.41 | znf | go on, please |
| 20:39.41 | Primer | So I wanted to do a factory reset, so I "backed up my apps". I did the factory reset, but upon logging back into google. it itself started restoring my apps. |
| 20:39.47 | Primer | But they're all unconfigured. |
| 20:40.10 | Primer | So, I know how perms work in android. Each app can read its own shit, and nothing more. |
| 20:40.19 | Primer | So, without root, one cannot backup another app's data, right? |
| 20:40.23 | Stanzilla | that used to be opt in |
| 20:40.24 | znf | yes, it doesn't backup the app's settings unless the app implemented it, afaik, and most of them don't |
| 20:40.26 | Stanzilla | backupping of app data |
| 20:40.29 | Stanzilla | so if your stuff is old |
| 20:40.30 | Primer | I'm just trying to figure out what the limitations are. |
| 20:40.32 | Stanzilla | might be out of luck |
| 20:40.51 | znf | the "correct' way to backup is to use adb backup |
| 20:41.01 | znf | you don't need root for that |
| 20:41.09 | Primer | right, I realize I can back up using usb |
| 20:41.18 | Primer | but I _want_ to just backup to SD |
| 20:41.20 | Primer | without root |
| 20:41.28 | Primer | https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-backup-and-restore-app-data-with-or-without-root |
| 20:41.34 | Primer | That seems like some hack that does just that |
| 20:41.53 | znf | I was going to suggest Helium, yes |
| 20:42.01 | znf | but you need to connect your phone to a PC to trigger it |
| 20:42.05 | Stanzilla | helium just uses adb backup |
| 20:42.13 | znf | *nod* |
| 20:42.13 | Primer | but that's a one time thing? |
| 20:42.18 | Primer | I haven't read this in detail |
| 20:42.37 | Stanzilla | I dont knnow if you can schedule regular backups with helium premium |
| 20:42.40 | znf | afaik yes |
| 20:43.06 | znf | you only need to connect it once, afaik, to make it able to backup in the future, if I remember corectly |
| 20:43.08 | znf | haven't used it in ages |
| 20:43.46 | Primer | I'm doing this just to see if my phone gets any better after a reset |
| 20:44.21 | Primer | before I just buy a new one |
| 20:44.43 | znf | Yours is as old as mine |
| 20:44.47 | znf | It is time for a new phone |
| 20:45.59 | quiescens | o.o |
| 20:46.18 | quiescens | znf always wants a new phone though ^^ |
| 20:46.49 | Primer | I'm pondering the pixel 2 |
| 20:47.06 | Primer | I've been told that the unlocked version can be rooted without easily |
| 20:47.15 | Primer | err s/without// |
| 20:48.08 | Primer | I just want a phone that's comparable in size with my current phone, an at&t (that's significant) lg v10 |
| 20:48.32 | Primer | Significant becuase the boot loader is locked down and there is no way to unlock it |
| 20:49.36 | Primer | I was hoping that'd spark a conversation on modern rootable android devices... |
| 20:49.49 | Primer | I've also been looking at the one plus 5t |
| 20:50.54 | znf | we're europeans |
| 20:50.55 | znf | :P |
| 20:51.14 | Primer | so...thoughts? |
| 20:51.21 | Primer | pixel 2 or one plus 5t? |
| 20:51.23 | nevcairiel | i just buy my phone in a phone store, not from a carrier, its so much easier that way |
| 20:51.30 | Primer | I've got $$$ to burn |
| 20:51.36 | quiescens | get teh cheaper one |
| 20:51.39 | Primer | mom gave me big bucks for my bday |
| 20:51.54 | Primer | turned 12.5 |
| 20:52.00 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 20:52.19 | znf | but yes, what nevcairiel said |
| 20:52.27 | znf | we just buy phones unlocked and in stores, usually |
| 20:52.27 | nevcairiel | all the pixel phones seemd vastly overpriced for their specs |
| 20:52.34 | znf | nothing about that stupid carrier version shit |
| 20:52.35 | Primer | That's the plan. To never, ever again, buy a carrier phone |
| 20:52.41 | nevcairiel | but that may have been euro bias since those were extra expensive here |
| 20:52.52 | znf | I'm aiming for the LG V30, myself |
| 20:53.00 | znf | But all current gen phones are damn expensive :-/ |
| 20:53.01 | quiescens | what does carrier phone mean? |
| 20:53.16 | quiescens | are they actullay different or just network locked? |
| 20:53.18 | nevcairiel | one you buy from a carrier, and the carrier controls OS updates |
| 20:53.18 | Primer | one that's locked by the carrier (but I suspect you're trolling) |
| 20:53.18 | znf | LG V10 AT&T |
| 20:53.22 | quiescens | actually* |
| 20:53.23 | nevcairiel | and possibly also network locked |
| 20:53.30 | quiescens | i'm not o.o |
| 20:53.30 | znf | some actually are different phones |
| 20:53.33 | znf | different models |
| 20:53.50 | nevcairiel | its really mostly a US thing, if you're not american you may not know this shit |
| 20:54.11 | Primer | that's kinda sad |
| 20:54.16 | nevcairiel | we get a few branded phones around here, but thats just cosmetic branding, still the same phone |
| 20:54.21 | quiescens | we have network locked phones but they don't actually control anything on the phone and will unlock it for free if you're finished your contract or if you bought the phone outright |
| 20:54.37 | znf | for example: https://i.imgur.com/f7VmdxP.png |
| 20:55.06 | Primer | well, I do own this phone. I feel that I should be within my right to request that it be unlocked, as it's fully paid for. |
| 20:55.08 | znf | H931 is AT&T, H932 is for T-Mobile, VS996 is for Verizon |
| 20:55.31 | nevcairiel | is one of those because cdma |
| 20:55.32 | Primer | But I know I can ask this all day of AT&T and there's no legal recourse I can pursue to make them comply |
| 20:55.55 | Primer | well, presuming there is some law with which they'd have to comply |
| 20:56.01 | nevcairiel | the sad part is when performance differs quite a bit because they used different SoCs to get access to different modems |
| 20:56.48 | znf | I'm still not sure why... CDMA itself hasn't been used in a while? |
| 20:57.00 | znf | and I tought that even Verizon uses modern tech these days and it's not that important anymore? |
| 20:57.07 | znf | I mean, why do they still need a different version? |
| 20:57.25 | nevcairiel | CDMA is still in use |
| 20:57.31 | znf | as a fallback, afaik? |
| 20:57.38 | Primer | Widely in use here in the US |
| 20:57.39 | nevcairiel | the same way 2G networks are still running |
| 20:58.11 | nevcairiel | in fact, CDMA can only be replaced by 4G networks, and only once 4G reliably uses voice everywhere, which is still flaky |
| 20:58.55 | znf | good to know |
| 21:00.27 | Primer | I still would love to have an external SD. I have a micro usb reader, but not having that built in sucks. |
| 21:01.50 | Primer | So, while I still have your attention (hopefully), do you tether? Either via usb, or bluetooth, or wifi -> to data |
| 21:02.07 | Primer | Because AT&T wants to double-dip and charge me for this. |
| 21:02.15 | nevcairiel | thats also only a US thing |
| 21:02.15 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:02.19 | znf | ^ what he said |
| 21:02.22 | Primer | I figured |
| 21:02.36 | nevcairiel | they tried here, but it didnt go anywhere |
| 21:02.45 | Primer | So in EU there is no such restriction. You simply install an app, and it just does it, and it's fine. |
| 21:02.56 | quiescens | no app o.o |
| 21:02.57 | znf | install an app? |
| 21:02.58 | nevcairiel | why need an app, wifi tether comes build in |
| 21:03.01 | nevcairiel | or BT |
| 21:03.05 | nevcairiel | not sure about usb, never done that |
| 21:03.15 | znf | just need the drivers installed |
| 21:03.17 | quiescens | you turn on the phone's personal wifi thingy or whatever |
| 21:03.17 | znf | for usb |
| 21:03.23 | Primer | It doesn't. My phone tells me I need it "on my plan" |
| 21:03.25 | znf | yes, I click on the Hotspot button |
| 21:03.29 | znf | done |
| 21:03.38 | nevcairiel | yeah thats the special US firmware with blocks for that =p |
| 21:04.11 | quiescens | that said, we do have pretty expensive data plans |
| 21:04.16 | znf | Speak for yourself :D |
| 21:04.41 | nevcairiel | data is also relatively expensive around here compared to other EU countries, but we dont have silly blocking of tethering |
| 21:04.45 | quiescens | but some of the cost is understandable if you want reasonable coverage on a sparse population density |
| 21:05.07 | nebula | dat value add |
| 21:05.07 | Primer | well, my work pays for my phone, as I'm on-call for IT shit 24/7/365.25 |
| 21:05.33 | quiescens | you should just take the .25 day off |
| 21:05.34 | quiescens | o.o |
| 21:05.53 | Primer | I was trying to make a point |
| 21:06.02 | Primer | no one caught on to my 12.5 |
| 21:06.25 | znf | we did |
| 21:06.29 | znf | chose to ignore it |
| 21:06.29 | znf | :D |
| 21:06.34 | Primer | :( |
| 21:06.55 | quiescens | the only way to actively note it, would have been to make a comment about your age |
| 21:07.09 | quiescens | so i didn't ): |
| 21:07.52 | Primer | heh |
| 21:13.45 | Primer | Anyhow, I can't imagine AT&T will be able to block an unlocked phone from being able to tether. Or will they? |
| 21:14.30 | Primer | But once rooted with magisk...fuck them |
| 21:14.46 | quiescens | they can't block the phone from allowing it, but they can probably detect it and then charge you for it |
| 21:16.33 | Primer | well, knowing my phone is a linux box, and if I have root on it, there's no way they're detecting that I'm tethered |
| 21:16.43 | Primer | And if they change me, I'll tell them to fuck off |
| 21:17.50 | Primer | charge |
| 21:17.53 | Primer | bah |
| 21:19.28 | quiescens | /pat primer |
| 21:20.35 | Primer | Things are changing here, slowly |
| 21:20.44 | znf | they could |
| 21:20.47 | znf | based on data usage |
| 21:20.50 | znf | patterns |
| 21:20.51 | znf | etc |
| 21:21.13 | znf | ie: your phone would normally really not hit the microsoft servers for windows updates... |
| 21:21.21 | Primer | There is no such thing as buying a phone and being locked to a carrier plan. Now they simply finance the phone regardless of plan. |
| 21:21.36 | nebula | Primer: it's part of the apn, so you can edit it to enable it, but if they detect it they'll warn you then cancel your service. |
| 21:21.43 | Primer | But it's done via the plan, so the change for the financing and monthly recurring is all under one bill |
| 21:22.28 | Primer | charge...fuck! |
| 21:22.35 | Primer | fucking brain... |
| 21:22.44 | quiescens | gives Primer a cookie |
| 21:22.55 | Primer | SO IN CASE PEOPLE DIDN'T CATCH IT EARLIER, I TURNED 50 ON THE NOT 29TH! |
| 21:23.06 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 21:23.35 | nevcairiel | we figure it out, attention whore! |
| 21:23.36 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:23.39 | nevcairiel | +d |
| 21:23.45 | Primer | Ok, fuckit...buying a pixel2! |
| 21:23.54 | Primer | I wish I could just go to a store and get one |
| 21:24.19 | nevcairiel | who goes to phone stores anymore |
| 21:24.21 | Primer | ohhh seems best buy has them |
| 21:24.24 | nebula | old people |
| 21:24.28 | Primer | ^^^^ |
| 21:24.35 | nevcairiel | 50+ people eh |
| 21:24.46 | quiescens | ouch o.o |
| 21:25.31 | nevcairiel | our local tech retailers carry the pixel 2 as well, not that i have been in one of those for a decade or so |
| 21:25.57 | nevcairiel | last time probably was when i got a bunch of home appliances like my microwave, water cooker and toaster etc when i moved into this apartment =p |
| 21:27.27 | Primer | Ok, one last thing. If I backup my old phone using usb to a PC, that gets the apps and data, and I can then restore both app and data onto the new phone using usb again? |
| 21:28.44 | Primer | I've already mostly reconfigured all my apps |
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| 21:34.29 | znf | yes |
| 21:34.30 | znf | in theory |
| 21:43.39 | quiescens | in theory is always a good thing when talking backups |
| 21:46.04 | znf | when taking backups, it's all theory |
| 21:46.10 | znf | until you need to restore it! |
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| 23:45.08 | quiescens | moo |
