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| 03:07.14 | znf | lol Stanzilla https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/25/17044634/nokia-8110-matrix-banana-phone-mwc-2018 |
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| 03:11.53 | nebula | but the slide isn't spring loaded? garbage. |
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| 09:41.31 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: nope |
| 09:41.43 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: where? |
| 09:41.46 | Stanzilla | here |
| 09:42.06 | mitch0 | nope. probably disconnected |
| 09:42.18 | Stanzilla | [16:07:25] Stanzilla: mitch0: can you update librangecheck with data from https://github.com/BigWigsMods/BigWigs/blob/master/Plugins/Proximity.lua please? |
| 09:42.18 | Stanzilla | [16:07:35] Stanzilla: seems like a few things are wrong according to https://www.wowace.com/projects/weakauras-2/issues/1096 |
| 09:44.22 | mitch0 | hm |
| 09:45.20 | mitch0 | not sure that report is totally valid... |
| 09:45.41 | mitch0 | I think there's a confusion between hit-box-distance and center-distance or somesuch |
| 09:46.17 | mitch0 | the ranges in that proximty.lua file are all whacky (23, 33, 43, 48 yds) |
| 09:46.26 | nevcairiel | it depends what you want to do with the range, i guess. but most common range measurement would be cast/attack range, which is from your center to their hitbox |
| 09:46.33 | mitch0 | whereas the ranges of most items are 20, 30, 40, etc |
| 09:46.40 | mitch0 | so I'd rather not fsck it up ;) |
| 09:47.13 | mitch0 | nevcairiel: yes, but these would be the same as what LibRangeCheck reports now imo |
| 09:47.33 | nevcairiel | in raid encounters it can be a bit more iffy, because encounter-based mechanics probably more likely rely on center <-> center measurements |
| 09:47.42 | nevcairiel | which is why its presumably 3y higher then you might expect |
| 09:47.52 | mitch0 | yep |
| 09:48.17 | mitch0 | so, just add 3 yds to the result from LRC when you display :) |
| 09:48.22 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: ^ |
| 09:48.37 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: or make a toggle for this |
| 09:48.42 | Stanzilla | ugh |
| 09:49.15 | mitch0 | LRC is accurate now with regards to spell ranges, I'd rather not break that |
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| 14:11.06 | quiescens | moo |
| 15:47.49 | Megalon | https://i.imgur.com/UG31Kjt.png haha |
| 15:47.58 | Megalon | for the nev, *foz and stan :P |
| 16:04.15 | znf | Gnarfoz, here's a fun thing - how can I call a systemd service unit to stop & start with an extra argument just /this/ time? |
| 16:33.39 | Stanzilla | can you check the date? |
| 16:34.20 | Stanzilla | make an if that checks if the time is the current one and only then do x? |
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| 16:40.56 | nevcairiel | i dont get it Megalon |
| 16:41.53 | Stanzilla | I don't either |
| 16:41.56 | Stanzilla | or it is not funny |
| 16:45.31 | znf | I don't get it either |
| 16:57.46 | pompy | neither do I |
| 17:22.51 | Megalon | you are the white socks and sandals nation |
| 17:22.53 | Megalon | you tell me |
| 17:23.14 | Stanzilla | still not funny |
| 17:23.16 | Stanzilla | try again |
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| 17:24.27 | Megalon | don't worry, still kinda not hate you |
| 17:47.57 | Funkeh` | https://www.khronos.org/news/press/vulkan-applications-enabled-on-apple-platforms damn son |
| 17:55.37 | nevcairiel | good to see that apple is still dumb as fuck, and they had to write a vulkan wrapper on top of metal to do that |
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| 18:30.21 | Gnarfoz | nothing new in Apple land, then, nevcairiel :D |
| 18:30.47 | znf | so there's a huge blizzard here |
| 18:30.52 | znf | and cold as fuck |
| 18:31.01 | znf | ...and I run out of parmesan |
| 18:31.07 | znf | should I attempt to go out? :D |
| 18:31.08 | Gnarfoz | clearly, these things are connected |
| 18:31.33 | znf | Gnarfoz, they kind of are |
| 18:31.33 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: btw, it's even worse: https://i.imgur.com/jBYSWMD.png -- that reads as if they share your phone number with Authy just in case you have Authy ^^ |
| 18:31.34 | Megalon | he rubs himself in parmesan to keep warm |
| 18:31.38 | znf | it's "code yellow" |
| 18:31.46 | Gnarfoz | don't eat yellow snow |
| 18:32.04 | znf | https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/guide/weather/warnings |
| 18:32.19 | Funkeh` | Gnarfoz: wouldn't be surprised |
| 18:32.20 | Gnarfoz | why does the UK meteorological office give warnings for .ro? |
| 18:32.23 | Megalon | is there a mettoffice.gov.uk too? |
| 18:32.35 | znf | it doesn't |
| 18:32.45 | znf | just explains what a code yellow is... |
| 18:33.08 | Gnarfoz | if they for some reason share the same codes? k ^^ |
| 18:33.19 | znf | weather codes are usually the same around the world |
| 18:33.26 | znf | yellow/amber (orange)/red |
| 18:33.28 | Gnarfoz | a bold assumption |
| 18:33.29 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: hackepeteroffice.de |
| 18:33.48 | Gnarfoz | our weather warnings don't use colors at all, for example :D |
| 18:34.23 | znf | http://www.wettergefahren.de/warnungen/farbskala.html |
| 18:35.04 | znf | you do actually :P |
| 18:35.23 | znf | https://www.dwd.de/DE/wetter/warnungen_gemeinden/warnWetter_node.html |
| 18:38.41 | znf | germany also seems to be under yellow/orange albert |
| 18:38.43 | znf | germany also seems to be under yellow/orange alert |
| 18:39.40 | Gnarfoz | the point is: you'll never hear "it's weather condition yellow" on the radio here |
| 18:39.49 | Gnarfoz | obviously websites are going to use some color code |
| 18:39.59 | znf | the news here uses that constantly |
| 18:40.20 | znf | ever since 2-3 years ago, some reporter got a whiff of the codes, now all we hear is code yellow, orange, red |
| 18:40.36 | znf | like people have know about the codes all their life or something :D |
| 18:41.01 | Funkeh` | Gnarfoz: honestly there's a aprt of me that wonders if it's to match it to your Amazon even if you've not connected them |
| 18:41.16 | Gnarfoz | nobody wastes time on that |
| 18:41.43 | Gnarfoz | it's "easier" UX for the user this way, just try both methods |
| 18:41.58 | Gnarfoz | and get whichever you have |
| 18:52.51 | znf | Why is your phone number so important??? |
| 18:57.01 | Gnarfoz | it's not something I can just change whenever? |
| 19:41.30 | znf | It's actually fun to drive in this weather |
| 20:29.30 | znf | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/AEaST17v/20180226_222448_HDR.jpg |
| 20:29.39 | znf | Every. Fucking. Winter. |
| 20:29.50 | znf | One of these breaks. |
| 20:30.04 | znf | At least this one is the last to break |
| 20:30.09 | Gnarfoz | high quality? |
| 20:30.29 | znf | These are still the originally installed ones from the factory |
| 20:30.48 | znf | This is literally the last one of those to break |
| 20:33.55 | Gnarfoz | are they not metal? |
| 20:34.36 | Gnarfoz | getting an email from Foursquare of all things, about updated privacy policy... a reminder to go to https://foursquare.com/delete_me :D |
| 20:36.18 | Megalon | why don't the have â¡â¡â¡â¡.com |
| 20:36.22 | Megalon | they |
| 20:37.31 | znf | Gnarfoz: nope, plastic |
| 20:37.51 | znf | ABS plastic to e more precise |
| 20:38.09 | znf | The impressive part is that this is 20 years old, I guess |
| 20:38.46 | Megalon | plastic breaks after 20years, no shit sherlock |
| 20:39.05 | Megalon | you talking like you just rolled down the factory exit |
| 20:40.16 | znf | I'm just annoyed that it happens only during intense cold periods |
| 20:40.28 | znf | Or they could have just broken all at once, you know... |
| 20:40.44 | Megalon | maybe it's more brittle when it is cold |
| 20:40.45 | Megalon | :P |
| 20:40.50 | znf | Obviously |
| 20:40.59 | Megalon | you can call me captain |
| 20:41.10 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.23 | znf | While this is clearly the most used one |
| 20:41.53 | Gnarfoz | Because, as ridiculous as that may sound, Foursquare is probably older than IDN .com domains |
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| 20:42.13 | znf | It's shitty because I don't know how to install it my self - or rather, I don't have the tools to do it |
| 20:42.23 | Gnarfoz | znf: maybe they make the driver one more robust, or your passengers are assholes |
| 20:42.29 | Megalon | but a hotgluegun |
| 20:42.43 | Megalon | 8) |
| 20:42.49 | znf | Gnarfoz: they are actually swappable from back to front door |
| 20:42.53 | znf | (same side) |
| 20:43.08 | znf | Which makes me wonder how the one in the back broke first |
| 20:43.08 | Gnarfoz | :shrug: |
| 20:43.25 | znf | It literally went counter-clockwise lol |
| 20:43.47 | znf | Rear left, rear right, passenger, driver |
| 20:43.57 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: bunch of useless text in the CurseForge Twitch server channel thing (what does one even call that :D) |
| 20:44.06 | Gnarfoz | (mostly useless, that is) |
| 20:44.29 | znf | Now I have to go full retard and put the window down so I can get out of the car |
| 20:45.09 | Gnarfoz | best bet is apparently to find someone working on the Twitch auth team; apart from that... yeah. Vote on uservoice, for what that's worth. |
| 20:45.11 | znf | Which wouldn't be such a big issue... But it's -10 and the damn thing freezes and refuses to go down until the car is warmed up |
| 20:46.24 | Gnarfoz | Authy does support regular TOTP and even QR codes, but you need an Authy ID to feed the API, and you seem to only be able to get /that/ by supplying Authy with an email, phone number, and country code |
| 20:47.31 | Gnarfoz | classic case of voluntary vendor lock-in ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 21:05.08 | Gnarfoz | znf: any crazy ideas how I could replace the OS on a virtual server without being able to mount an installer image to it? |
| 21:05.44 | Gnarfoz | I mean, you can use kexec to start another kernel from within a running one, could it be that hard to boot a self-contained installer from a running OS? :D |
| 21:05.51 | znf | Gnarfoz: actually yes, I did that when I installed ofense on digital Ocean |
| 21:06.03 | znf | Pfsense |
| 21:06.06 | Gnarfoz | teach me your crazy ways |
| 21:06.13 | znf | But I ended up using a block device |
| 21:06.29 | znf | What os and where are you trying to use? |
| 21:06.40 | znf | Can the OS be netinstallled? |
| 21:06.59 | znf | Do you happen to have access to a remote console (novnc)? |
| 21:07.11 | znf | grub can do very crazy shit :D |
| 21:08.25 | znf | Basically if you have access to grub before the OS boots, you can do anything |
| 21:11.31 | znf | If you chain load into gpxe there are even more crazy things to do |
| 21:19.01 | Gnarfoz | znf: it's currently runnign Dabian 9 I think, and I can use the hoster-provided thing to install arch, centos6/7, debian8/9, fedora26/27, opensuse leap 42.3, ubuntu 14.04/16.04/17.10 |
| 21:19.27 | Gnarfoz | and I have access to it via VNC (what's novnc?) or a "rescue system" |
| 21:20.11 | znf | Novnc is the web client for VNC |
| 21:20.18 | Gnarfoz | I have ultravnc |
| 21:20.21 | znf | That fancy htnml5 thing |
| 21:20.24 | znf | Oh! Cool |
| 21:20.29 | znf | What do you want to install. |
| 21:20.30 | znf | ? |
| 21:20.46 | Gnarfoz | if I can get into a recent-ish Debian netinstall thing, that's fine |
| 21:21.21 | Gnarfoz | I'm just wary of using some hoster-provided thing; it seems bare-bones enough, but they at least pre-load it with their own mirrors, so it's clearly modified by them |
| 21:21.29 | Gnarfoz | also, I'm considering using FDE |
| 21:22.06 | znf | FDE? |
| 21:23.57 | Gnarfoz | full disk encryption |
| 21:24.06 | znf | Ah. |
| 21:24.36 | Gnarfoz | hm, I sent c-a-d via VNC and pressed escape, I'm now at a SeaBIOS prompt for iPXE, virtio-scsi or legacy option rom :D |
| 21:24.48 | Gnarfoz | think I can already get my teeth in there? |
| 21:25.24 | Gnarfoz | (the virtio-scsi leads to the ssd, which has grub 2.02-ish) |
| 21:25.36 | znf | http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
| 21:25.39 | znf | Erm |
| 21:25.50 | znf | http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/linux |
| 21:25.56 | znf | This is your kernel |
| 21:26.01 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:26.06 | znf | http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz |
| 21:26.12 | znf | This is your initrd |
| 21:26.19 | Gnarfoz | you mean grub might just take those? |
| 21:27.16 | znf | Yes it does |
| 21:27.21 | znf | Boot to grub |
| 21:27.24 | znf | Press escape |
| 21:27.36 | znf | And just do the commands manually |
| 21:27.51 | znf | linux http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/linux |
| 21:28.06 | znf | initrd http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz |
| 21:28.14 | znf | Or kernel http |
| 21:28.23 | znf | I can never recall which version of grub does which |
| 21:28.32 | znf | Also on my phone now |
| 21:29.25 | Gnarfoz | I'll Google "grub boot over http", thanks ;-) |
| 21:30.29 | znf | Just remember that you have to initialize network config first |
| 21:30.49 | znf | If your grub has no http support, just chain load gpxe |
| 21:30.54 | Gnarfoz | "just" |
| 21:30.55 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:31.06 | Gnarfoz | I'll check around |
| 21:33.15 | znf | "just" means telling it to load gpxe file from disk as linux16 without an initrd and then just do "boot" |
| 21:33.17 | znf | :D |
| 21:33.27 | Gnarfoz | uhhh u wotm8 |
| 21:33.28 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:33.39 | Gnarfoz | "invalid file name `http://blablabla`" |
| 21:33.52 | Gnarfoz | I guess 2.02 (or this one) doesn't do http, then? |
| 21:34.15 | Gnarfoz | can I check if it does? |
| 21:34.33 | Gnarfoz | it does have some net_* commands |
| 21:35.41 | znf | I'm not sure now |
| 21:35.45 | znf | Also keep in mind |
| 21:35.52 | znf | You can just download the files to disk |
| 21:36.00 | znf | And boot them once |
| 21:36.13 | znf | They are loaded in memory after disk read so you are safe to wipe them |
| 21:36.17 | Gnarfoz | that's what I had in mind initially, if that actually works |
| 21:36.20 | znf | That's probably much easier |
| 21:36.27 | znf | But there's no fun in it :D |
| 21:36.50 | Gnarfoz | while of course this would be fun, I'm just interested in the convenient option ;-) |
| 21:37.11 | Gnarfoz | why does ultravnc keep moving back to the middle of my screen, fucking thing ;C |
| 21:37.21 | znf | Good question |
| 21:37.32 | znf | That is annoying as hell |
| 21:38.08 | znf | I think last time I attempted to do something like that while using ultravnc I just gave up and used RealVNC |
| 21:38.15 | Gnarfoz | I think the VNC connection has interruptions and it reconnects and defaults to middleo f screen |
| 21:38.39 | znf | When the bios/kernel changes video resolutions it resets position |
| 21:38.42 | Gnarfoz | hm, maybe the save position/save size options help :D |
| 21:39.00 | znf | So in a POST sequence it will act crazy |
| 21:39.21 | znf | It has that? :F |
| 21:39.24 | znf | :D |
| 21:39.44 | Gnarfoz | it does, but... didn't seem to help, maybe it needs a reconnect or something |
| 21:39.56 | Gnarfoz | anyway, looks like the boot order is set up to always go through ipxe anyway |
| 21:40.06 | Gnarfoz | and that claims "features: ... HTTP ..." :D |
| 21:40.20 | znf | You can do that, too, yes |
| 21:40.29 | znf | ipxe should work just fine |
| 21:41.08 | Gnarfoz | shame the debian CDN urls are so long and no copy/paste :D |
| 21:41.19 | Gnarfoz | guess I could see if it supports redirects and goo.gl them xD |
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| 21:44.19 | Gnarfoz | aww, goo.gl is https and it can't deal with that :D |
| 21:44.31 | Gnarfoz | http://gg.gg lolwut |
| 21:45.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah lol that worked perfectly |
| 21:45.15 | Gnarfoz | ipxe -> kernel + initrd over http://gg.gg short urls |
| 21:45.33 | Gnarfoz | I expected to waste more time on this step. xD |
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| 21:52.51 | Gnarfoz | hm, considering I can't extend the HDD anyway, I might as well put everything in one filesystem |
| 22:01.36 | znf | why can't you extend? |
| 22:01.50 | znf | just make your partition last, most VPS providers can extend your HDD |
| 22:01.58 | znf | and I'm sure you can just grow the fs, even if it's encrypted |
| 22:02.16 | Gnarfoz | I meant from the VPS provider's side, I don't think they offer that |
| 22:02.23 | Gnarfoz | nor do I think I'll need it |
| 22:02.44 | Gnarfoz | doubt they want random VMs having different HDD sizes than what they offer as products |
| 22:03.20 | Gnarfoz | (and... if I have only one partition, I fulfill all the things you just suggested, don't I? :D) |
| 22:05.55 | Gnarfoz | not really worth wasting much thought on, this should suffice for a while |
| 22:13.14 | Gnarfoz | znf: not only does it re-position the window, it also steals keyboard focus. ahhhhh |
| 22:14.50 | znf | yes |
| 22:14.53 | znf | I know what you mean |
| 22:18.06 | Gnarfoz | I'll just disconnect while it's wiping the disk :P |
| 22:28.07 | znf | most people have a separate partition for swap |
| 22:28.15 | znf | and it's also not such a bad idea to have a separate one for boot :P |
| 22:28.23 | znf | tough I don't know how that behaves with full disk encryption |
| 22:29.27 | Gnarfoz | this was just about /, /+home, /+home+var |
| 22:29.40 | Gnarfoz | the 3 options debian-installer provides when using the guided partitioning |
| 22:30.04 | Gnarfoz | pretty sure it'll make a swap somewhere at least |
| 22:30.19 | Gnarfoz | (although swap can also just be a file; not that I ever expect it to swap) |
| 22:31.49 | Gnarfoz | wiping this disk takes quite a while. :P |
| 22:32.16 | nevcairiel | an actual full wipe takes as long as an actual full fill =p |
| 22:32.27 | Gnarfoz | I bet it's bottlenecked by random data, not by disk performance |
| 22:32.39 | Gnarfoz | since it's just 300 GiB |
| 22:37.05 | znf | that's a big disk |
| 22:37.16 | znf | who even offers 300GiB storage on VMs? |
| 22:37.24 | znf | that must be HDD space not SSD |
| 22:37.37 | Gnarfoz | it's SSD |
| 22:37.43 | nevcairiel | just buy a bunch of the new 30TB SSDs from samsung |
| 22:39.07 | Gnarfoz | guess I could do some kind of disk test to see if the performance numbers are close enough to expectations |
| 22:39.37 | Gnarfoz | https://contabo.com/?show=vps |
| 22:39.58 | nevcairiel | are you replacing your server now |
| 22:40.52 | Gnarfoz | "now" is such a relative term. |
| 22:40.52 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:41.25 | Gnarfoz | let's say I *intend* to |
| 22:41.28 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt like the 100mbit on the M/L offers |
| 22:41.41 | nevcairiel | but then i actually server files to people |
| 22:41.51 | nevcairiel | -r |
| 22:42.04 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I don't really |
| 22:42.39 | Gnarfoz | I guess on the rare occasion where I have used my server to relay my stream directly, having more than 100 Mbit/s might have been useful, but apart from that... |
| 22:42.43 | nevcairiel | the XL offer is still about half price of my hetzner box and even much more powerful |
| 22:43.37 | znf | Gnarfoz, I don't believe for a second that is 100% SSD |
| 22:43.47 | znf | not even for a bit, not even a tiny bit |
| 22:43.59 | nevcairiel | just because your puny datacenter cant afford that? :p |
| 22:44.26 | znf | If digitalocean can't afford to offer 300GB for $8/mo, I doubt contabo.com can |
| 22:44.34 | Gnarfoz | recommend a test program for later |
| 22:45.01 | znf | ioping, bonnie++ |
| 22:45.17 | Gnarfoz | something that doesn't require hours of setup? ^^ |
| 22:45.25 | Gnarfoz | (I have never used either of those) |
| 22:45.26 | nevcairiel | digitalocean is generally quite expensive, really |
| 22:46.16 | Gnarfoz | in general, I get the feeling European or maybe particularly German hosters offer way better things/⬠than many others |
| 22:46.48 | Gnarfoz | ffs, I'm uninstalling ultravnc, this is annoying as hell :D |
| 22:46.56 | znf | that is a huge amount of SSD space to offer, really |
| 22:47.02 | znf | and Gnarfoz eats even more of that space |
| 22:47.06 | Gnarfoz | it is indeed, compared to the competition |
| 22:47.13 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I'm using... all of it. :D |
| 22:47.18 | nevcairiel | yeah I could probably get a hetzner root and run a bunch of VMs on it and re-sell for more money in other countries =p |
| 22:47.31 | znf | because if he encrypts his disk, then his space will actually be fully allocated |
| 22:47.41 | znf | no thin-provisioning! |
| 22:47.52 | Gnarfoz | no idea what their backend setup is |
| 22:48.06 | Gnarfoz | on our vsphere, it actually doesn't matter what type of disk provisioning I pick, in the end |
| 22:48.06 | znf | very common to thin-provision |
| 22:48.36 | Gnarfoz | since the SAN virtualization does it "thin" anyway |
| 22:48.53 | Gnarfoz | realvnc or tightvnc next? ^^ |
| 22:49.00 | znf | realvnc was the winner to be honest |
| 22:49.02 | Gnarfoz | or are there others that don't suck? |
| 22:49.15 | znf | I still use ultravnc by default, but when shit hits the fan, I just go realvnc |
| 22:49.19 | Gnarfoz | realvnc is java? |
| 22:49.24 | znf | uhm no |
| 22:49.36 | Gnarfoz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealVNC written in: java |
| 22:50.08 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, realvnc is the one that's not free? |
| 22:50.25 | Gnarfoz | ah, the viewer is free https://www.realvnc.com/en/connect/download/viewer/ |
| 22:51.35 | Gnarfoz | hrng, it has one of those weird installers that just disappears without saying it's done, lol |
| 22:52.40 | znf | it's not java https://i.imgur.com/qPgDKpL.png |
| 22:52.51 | znf | but oh boy |
| 22:52.53 | znf | they changed it a lot |
| 23:02.41 | Gnarfoz | noooooooo |
| 23:04.32 | Gnarfoz | https://i.imgur.com/qzxqecy.png |
| 23:04.52 | Gnarfoz | well, at least I know I can skip the disk wipe next time. :P |
| 23:05.12 | nevcairiel | gotta love explanatory error messages |
| 23:05.19 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that, too |
| 23:07.13 | Gnarfoz | I think it was confused by realvnc passing in a media key I pressed at the same time |
| 23:07.28 | Gnarfoz | it certainly goes the "default everything to on" route |
| 23:08.59 | Gnarfoz | znf: as expected, it creates /boot, a logical... volume, in which LVM lives, which has / + swap |
| 23:09.12 | Gnarfoz | and the fact that it's calling it primary/logical makes me wonder, why the hell is it not GPT |
| 23:09.38 | znf | afaik the debian installer doesn't use GPT automatically if it doesn't detect EFI |
| 23:10.11 | nevcairiel | probably true, they like to err on the side of legacy |
| 23:15.20 | znf | I just wish there was a way for `make` to tell you which are valid targets, without reading 1000 lines of a Makefile |
| 23:16.50 | Gnarfoz | hmmm yeah, even our vSphere VMs default to BIOS, still |
| 23:17.03 | Gnarfoz | I guess it doesn't really matter either way |
| 23:17.18 | znf | most VM environments default to BIOS |
| 23:17.23 | nevcairiel | znf: yell at people making those files for not d ocumenting shit? |
| 23:17.25 | znf | there's not many reasons to go EFI |
| 23:17.30 | nevcairiel | also, most of the time whats wrong with make; make install |
| 23:17.31 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 23:18.44 | znf | I know this thing has a target that automatically strips all binaries and packages in a specific structure into a tarball |
| 23:18.51 | znf | I just have no idea which it is! |
| 23:19.08 | znf | I'm statically compiling for distribution |
| 23:19.11 | Gnarfoz | make release |
| 23:19.12 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 23:19.15 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:19.20 | Gnarfoz | something like that, hopefully |
| 23:19.28 | znf | make: *** No rule to make target `release'. Stop. |
| 23:19.43 | znf | make dist just creates a source tarball |
| 23:22.20 | nevcairiel | just check the makefile for the .PHONY line and see whats listed there? |
| 23:22.31 | nevcairiel | most of the time such interactive targets are in such a line |
| 23:23.00 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/0fF404M.png\ |
| 23:23.02 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/0fF404M.png |
| 23:23.03 | znf | son of a |
| 23:23.28 | nevcairiel | sucks if there are newlines in there =p |
| 23:23.55 | znf | the sad part is that I DID do it once |
| 23:24.00 | znf | but I have literally no idea what I used |
| 23:24.34 | nevcairiel | binary distributions are not really typical for linux, so not sure there is a proper convention |
| 23:25.28 | znf | there is one, in the bitcoin core :P |
| 23:28.03 | znf | I'm slightly impressed on how they manage to actually release signed binaries |
| 23:29.15 | znf | they also make use of LXC containers or KVM images to set up a clean build environment |
| 23:45.30 | Gnarfoz | pff, debian does straight up not support installing bios+gpt? meh ^^ |
| 23:46.46 | znf | I'm pretty sure you can pass some flags |
| 23:49.08 | znf | also, if you partition your disk GPT before starting the installer, it will detect that and do it properly |
| 23:51.49 | znf | Gnarfoz, meh, start installer, load installer components (before partitioning) |
| 23:51.52 | znf | swap to a new console |
| 23:52.00 | znf | wipe the disk, create a gpt label |
| 23:52.03 | znf | switch back to the installer |
| 23:52.04 | znf | done |
| 23:52.45 | Gnarfoz | yeah that's what I figured, I hope it has parted ^^ |
| 23:59.03 | znf | >xau 190 eur to usd |
| 23:59.04 | Catal1na | 190.00 EUR == 234.02 USD |
