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00:44.03Funkeh`damn son https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/02/bitcoins-transaction-fee-crisis-is-over-for-now/
00:44.11Funkeh`things looking good for btc
01:05.56nebulahow long does it take a clear a transaction now a days?
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12:33.03nevcairielGnarfoz: intel has released a new batch of microcode updates and a new pdf with the version info (https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/02/microcode-update-guidance.pdf), in case you're interested
12:38.32Megaloni love the smell of fresh microcode in the morning
12:58.26Phixionmikrokot
12:59.05nevcairieli wonder when i'll get a bios update with those
12:59.47nevcairielthey released one just recently with the latest pre-mitigation microcode, i think it was planned to include the fix but that was pulled due to intels advisory
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13:08.37znfyou could always do it yourself, can't you?
13:14.51nevcairielnot really
13:21.37znfmod bios?
13:23.28nevcairielcant really do that reliably for most boards
13:25.32znfI'm noticing that fucking slow-down when alt-tabbing in Windows 10
13:25.38znf...but only when I have the file explorer opened
13:25.54Stanzillano ivy bridge yet :(
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14:32.06Megalonhttp://i.imgur.com/iyuhjDF.gifv
14:36.46Megalonso the trolley problem has been solved irl
14:38.45silentiummulti-track drifting is old, http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/multi-track-drifting ;p
14:38.55winklike a boss
14:47.16MegalonI know InitialD
14:47.49Megalonbut that proofs its reallife feasibility :P
15:09.02quiescensmoo
15:43.41znfMegalon, 20x, 18.4%
15:45.53ls-moo ):3
15:46.44znfholy fuck
15:46.45znf30x
15:46.47znf23.29%
15:46.49znf\o/
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16:22.46znfStanzilla, why is my task manager eating up like 20% CPU when it's opened?
16:24.33Stanzillawindows 10
16:24.51znfno, I'm using Windows 9
16:24.56nevcairielmine doesnt do that, must be znf being weird
16:24.59Stanzillano, I mean that is the reason
16:25.02Stanzillamine does that as well
16:25.14znfit only randomly does it
16:25.17Stanzillayeah
16:25.31znfbut it's so fucking annoying to wait 1 second for alt+tab to work
16:25.51nevcairieli also dont have that problem =p
16:25.58StanzillaI think it's some antivir thing
16:26.16znfI don't have antivirus enabled at all
16:26.27znfthe new stupid exploit shit is disabled, too
16:26.52Stanzilladunno then
16:26.56Stanzillablame meltdown or so :D
16:27.09nevcairielmaybe medling with all this shit is the cause of your problem!
16:27.10winkI suggest using a RasPi. no meltdown
16:27.16Stanzillado tell when you find out what causes it though
16:27.31Stanzillanevcairiel: no, i had that before
16:28.17znfStanzilla, like I said, I don't even have the meltdown/spectre patches applied
16:28.25Stanzillayeah I dont know
16:28.28Stanzillajust that I have it as well
16:28.54znfwhy does compiling QT take so fucking much
16:29.18nevcairielwhy are you compiling QuickTime
16:29.42znfqt not quicktime
16:29.52znf...where do you get the sources for quicktime?
16:29.56nevcairielits called "Qt", QT is quicktime
16:30.01nevcairielget it right, fuckwit =p
16:30.14Stanzillarude
16:30.27znfwhy does compiling this-retarded-widgetting-crap take so fucking much?
16:30.32Megalonhe's hitting on your spouse, Stanzilla
16:31.31nevcairieljust disable compiling its webkit module, takes like 90% of the time away
16:34.44znfI wonder how do I do that in this package
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16:59.48znf...still compiling
17:08.42znfhttps://i.imgur.com/MLCoQQe.png
17:08.43znf:-|
17:08.44znfseriously
17:10.39nevcairielwhy are you building a super ancient version anyway
17:11.17znfbecause that's what the package provides :-/
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17:11.29znfask bitcore devs :-/
17:12.35znftough, why the hell would I need printing support
17:26.29Megalonso you can print your compile errors
17:43.45znfStanzilla, WSL is not multithreaded, is it?
17:43.55znfI mean, there was something about threads and WSL
17:44.00Stanzilladunno
17:44.41nevcairielthat question doesnt make any sense
17:44.47nevcairielWSL is even multi-process
17:44.51nevcairieland each process can use threads
17:45.11nevcairielthe only thing its still bad at is file IO (its slooow), but they are working on that
17:51.06znfcan't seem to make it compile with more than 1 thread
17:52.00nevcairielcompiling would be  multi-process, not multi-thread, anyway =p
17:52.01znfie: passing -j to make has no effect
17:52.42nevcairielsome projects are not setup in a way where this works properly
17:53.24znfhttps://i.imgur.com/EAfz3YT.png
17:53.26znf:-/
17:54.20znfI wonder if I can build this altcoin's binaries using the dep tree froom bitcoin 0.16
18:16.00znfso far so good
18:20.47znfStanzilla, uh, I *might* be getting a F36 to test-drive for a few days :D
18:21.02Stanzillauh nice
18:21.38znfI wanted something with a huge engine tough
18:22.00znfI'm waiting to see if they have a 440i available
18:22.14znfthe other cars available were only SUVs or cross-overs :(
18:22.53znfbasically: 4er grand-coupe, X3, X5 plug-in hybrid or X6 :-/
18:24.33znf...because apparently they don't give out M's anymore for test-drives :D
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18:41.41znfGnarfoz, can you make sense of this request of one of my friends? he wants "a small keyboard with 8-12 buttons for gaming"
18:41.42znf?!
18:43.53Stanzillaorbweaver
18:43.56znfGnarfoz, so basically like this https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/product/g13-advanced-gameboard
18:44.31nevcairielso tell him to get that
18:44.32nevcairiel=p
18:46.38znfoh, apparently he can't find it for sale in romania
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18:56.01znfhttps://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001NEK2GE/
18:56.03znfuhm
18:56.08znfyes, I know, Japan
18:56.09znfbut...?!
18:56.10Gnarfoznevcairiel: znf is right, WSL seems to only use one thread, regardless of what the process on the "inside" does
18:56.44GnarfozI recently complained about that when I was trying to use multi-threaded zstd ^^
18:57.30Gnarfoznevcairiel: microcode: thanks; someone from our corporate team actually put that onto their relevant wiki page before I saw it :D
19:02.47Gnarfozznf: they all have a common ancestor: the nostromo speedpad n52: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostromo_SpeedPad_n52#Current_Gamepads_(2017)_for_Windows_10_and_MacOS_that_function_like_Nostromo_SpeedPad
19:04.17nevcairielGnarfoz: maybe your tool sucks?
19:04.30nevcairielcompiling stuff inside wsl with make -j20 gives me 100% cpu load
19:04.38nevcairiel(the case znf was asking about anyway)
19:05.10znfI've been at this compile shit for hours now
19:05.21znfpatched the codebase of an altcoin
19:05.23Gnarfoznevcairiel: entirely possible
19:05.29znfcross-compiling the windows gui fails
19:05.34znftried different toolchains
19:05.35Gnarfozbut it was showing multiple threads inside WSL
19:05.37znffucking windows shit
19:05.58GnarfozI actually have an unused n52 laying around at my parents' place
19:06.37nevcairielalso something odd is going on, the task manager doesnt show my cpu clocking up beyond base anymore
19:06.37Gnarfozfuck I spent 3 minutes before sending that googling if it's laying or lying, figured out it's lying, and didn't correct it before sending. lolol
19:07.09Gnarfozdid you install hyper-v? (actually no, that was fixed/changed in later versions)
19:07.14nevcairieldespite other tools like HWInfo definitely showing full clocks
19:07.31Gnarfozand re taskmgr being a cpu hog: just use process hacker! it's totally betterer anyway. znf ^^
19:07.55znfit's just not that accesible
19:09.03Gnarfoz?
19:09.20Gnarfozyou mean "you have copy it/install it everywhere you want to use it?"
19:11.56znfI mean I can't right click on my taskbar to start it :P
19:12.04Gnarfozsure you can
19:12.16GnarfozI've never actually used the option, but it has one to "replace task manager"
19:12.49znfah cool
19:12.50znfthx
19:14.04znfuhm, what? https://i.imgur.com/NDyPYSU.png
19:14.24Gnarfozo_o
19:14.40nevcairielprocesshacker hacked you
19:14.47nevcairieldidnt you see that coming
19:14.49Gnarfozerr, that's the disk tab, maybe it was reading info out of that file because... yeah I don't know
19:14.58znf...it's constant
19:15.00znfdoesn't stop
19:15.02znfover and over
19:15.07Gnarfozthen it's probably misattribution? ^^
19:15.20Gnarfozcheck taskmgr or errr what's the other one's binary even named
19:15.22Gnarfozperfmon?
19:15.39Gnarfozyeah
19:16.09nevcairielits perfmon, but just running perfmon.exe doesnt give you the view one wants
19:16.26nevcairielits "perfmon.exe /res" =p
19:16.34Gnarfozthat's why I was unsure, because I recall perfmon being the ugly MMC one
19:16.48nevcairielor just use the "resource monitor" shortcut in start menu, or the link from the task manager
19:17.06GnarfozI guess you could type it in if it's in some default folder
19:17.17znffuck it, I closed teamviewer
19:17.25znfmaybe lag shit stops
19:17.27GnarfozI should probably get used to doing that instead of going via taskmgr
19:18.16nevcairielits interesting how  fast one changes, back in the days I used the classic start menu for as long as I could, keep a neatly organized folder structure and everything
19:18.33nevcairielthen that went away and I wouldnt want to go back anyway, the search is just fully sufficient
19:19.43znfI still use Start10 over the Windows search
19:19.53nevcairieli just see no point
19:20.01nevcairielit just works for me
19:20.05znftile aversion :D
19:20.32Gnarfozyou know you can make it so small that there are no tiles?
19:20.34nevcairielmy daily usage stuff I have pinned (like 3 or 4 things) and a few more on the desktop as icons, and thats it
19:20.43znfalso in my experience, the windows search never returns what I want/need
19:20.49znfthe start10 one does, for some reasons
19:20.55Gnarfozalways works for programs in the start menu folders, for me
19:20.57znfcould be because I don't really use it
19:21.08GnarfozI don't use it for files, though, never have
19:21.16nevcairielsame, just app shortcuts
19:21.32znfoh, also that, I hate how the Windows start menu stopped grouping programs properly
19:21.45Gnarfozgrouping?
19:21.54nevcairieli just never look at anything but the search result or my few pins anyway
19:22.03Gnarfozyou put the shortcuts in a folder, like the last 20 years, what has changed? ^^
19:22.36znfthis: https://i.imgur.com/g0uYsc2.png vs. https://i.imgur.com/jDGN49z.png
19:22.43GnarfozI do have... 6 columns wide, 4.5 rows high of tiles with pinned stuff, and I could probably get rid of some of that... certainly more than a regular height w7 start menu could contain
19:23.02Gnarfozuh, it's just by alphabet? oO
19:23.30znfI like my folders together
19:23.43GnarfozI'd actually like if Explorer could do that
19:23.49Gnarfozat least for sorting purposes sometimes
19:23.58nevcairiellike what?
19:23.59Gnarfozbecause it can't sort folders by size/date/blah
19:23.59znfI also primarely use the search
19:24.16znfbut very rarely I have go to deeper and the new one just annoyes the hell out of me
19:25.04Gnarfozthis discussion is probably the first time I've scrolled in that folder list in the start menu, this year
19:25.04Gnarfoz:D
19:25.23Gnarfozbtw https://i.imgur.com/SnAO74U.png
19:25.41GnarfozI had just started irfanview, and the backblaze thread was also fresh
19:26.13Gnarfozpaired with peview.exe being there, I'd say it's because it verifies signatures, analyzes whatever, on startup
19:26.48Gnarfoz(not quite sure how that jives with it touching teamviewer for a longer time? maybe it's just going slow? or it would have stopped soon after? I don't know
19:27.36Gnarfozit does have a ton of features, (at least) one of them is probably to blame :D
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19:27.59Gnarfoz(also, plugins)
19:28.16znfthis is weird
19:28.24znfalt+tab was lagging
19:28.28znfI closed process hacker
19:28.30Gnarfozheh, the main options page actually has a field right there to tell it where peview.exe is. maybe it'll stop if you clear that
19:28.30znfnot lagging
19:28.56Gnarfoz(I do wonder what those lag problems are that people have... I've not had any of those, yet)
19:29.18GnarfozI do have PH running on startup, so, it's probably not the cause
19:29.44znfyeah, I'm not blaming it
19:30.10znfI'm just wondering what causes the OS to do that specifically when I have taskmanager /or/ process hacker
19:30.48Gnarfozright, then it's possibly something they both do
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19:31.16znfyup, my guess is that it's trying to poll something that is slow to respond
19:32.40znfit's also very weird to try to fix the cause
19:32.48znfas sometimes I kill a process and the issue goes away
19:33.03znfso you think you found the culprit, but a few minutes later, you get it agian
19:44.08znfI've been compiling at Qt for the last 4 hours now
19:55.10znfhttps://i.imgur.com/H5daxEd.png
19:55.11znf:-/
20:05.46Megalonmight be better to mine some shitcoin and pay someone who knows how to do it instead
20:07.58znfor I just want to learn?
20:13.40Gnarfozsounded like you were compiling some cryptocurrency software earlier
20:20.33Gnarfoznevcairiel: that microcode list is... mostly unchanged, but: for all CPUs I care about, the status is now at least "beta" (i.e. fixed version exists and has been shipped to OEMs for testing)
20:22.25znfGnarfoz, yes
20:22.27nevcairielGnarfoz: my cpu got a fixed release, so it has some changes! :D
20:22.34nevcairiel(skylake x)
20:23.08Gnarfoz1-percenter-cpu
20:23.09Gnarfoz:D
20:28.26znf25€ for a fucking mount
20:28.29znffuck off, blizzard
20:30.43Gnarfozthe usual price
20:31.16GnarfozI wonder if this means (actually, Skylake S was in the last update already) that ASrock made a new bios finally?
20:31.42Gnarfozobviously not
20:33.19nevcairielmsi made one and they even listed spectre fixes in it, but the microcode was actually old
20:33.33nevcairielmy guess is that they pulled it on the intel recommendation but someone that wrote the changelog didnt get the memo
20:34.01Gnarfozor it's the microcode that was released, wait-a-minute'd, and then approved again (Skylake for example)
20:34.19Gnarfozhttps://www.asrock.com/support/index.us.asp?cat=BIOS there's some with "microcode update" there, that's a helpful description...
20:34.22nevcairielx299 doesnt exactly have a wide variety of microcode
20:34.34nevcairielkbl-x and skl-x =p
20:35.00GnarfozAußenseiterhardware
20:42.08Stanzillaprobably wont get anything for my Steinzeithardware
20:44.50Stanzillahttps://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_Z77/HelpDesk_BIOS/
20:44.51Stanzilla:D
20:54.23Gnarfozif only the Microsoft microcode loader was configurable
20:54.37Gnarfozsince Intel seems to be making updates for at least back to Sandy Bridge CPUs
20:55.05Gnarfozfor people with mainboards that don't get a new firmware, what other solution is there
20:55.37Gnarfoz(vmware's driver doesn't work; or rather, it loads after the MS update checks for the instructions)
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21:05.31nevcairielmaybe microsoft decides to ship updates eventually
21:07.37znfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad_higXixRA
21:07.48znfto be fair, as an european, no idea what those prices would be
21:11.47nevcairielbill must be getting bored
21:11.58nevcairielhe is also on TBBT next month
21:13.26znfbig bang theory?
21:14.57nevcairielyeah
21:41.05Gnarfozare they running out of ideas, yet?
21:42.45Gnarfoztide pods thing 20$? hm
21:43.02Gnarfoz72 pieces? big pack I guess
21:49.03Stanzillaare you that hungry?
21:51.00Gnarfozask Ellen, she picked it
21:52.43znfapparently I've learned so much today
21:52.49znfabout automake/autoconf
21:52.54znfmacros & shit like that
22:49.04PrimerWelcome to 1995?
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23:02.37znfPrimer, pft, I'm not a developer
23:03.37Primerhehe
23:03.46znfPrimer, you look like one ^^
23:03.57PrimerIt's one of the hats I wear
23:04.02znfI'm getting: configure: error: Could not resolve: -lqwindows
23:04.10PrimerIt's the one I've been trying to focus on...
23:04.17znfwhile trying to cross-compile
23:04.35PrimerBut I've been nothing other than creating more infrastructure on AWS
23:04.55PrimerMore IT, less developing
23:05.02PrimerI'm trying to swing that the OTHER way
23:05.09znfhow much do you know how to read a config.log? :D
23:05.16Primera lot
23:05.20Primerfind the error
23:05.25Primerinstall -dev pacakge
23:05.26Primerrepate
23:05.28Primererr
23:05.30Primerrepeat
23:05.37znfI technically have those
23:05.42Primeruntil it builds
23:05.44znfI can find libqwindows.a
23:06.05PrimerThat would imply a link-time error
23:06.14znfyet: https://i.imgur.com/Ezy8UA5.png
23:06.15PrimerSo...it compiles but does not link?
23:07.10znfhttps://hastebin.com/raw/uketibigam
23:10.04znfI am guessing it's around: configure:24444
23:10.17znfspecifically:
23:10.22znf/usr/src/bitcoin/depends/x86_64-w64-mingw32/share/../plugins/platforms/libqwindows.a(qwindowscontext.o):qwindowscontext.cpp:(.text+0x2cd7): undefined reference to `QWindowsGuiEventDispatcher::windowsMessageName(unsigned int)'
23:11.38znfI'm /this/ close to just attempt building 32bit :-/
23:11.49znfI have no idea if that would change anything
23:17.18znfit sure is an issue in my generated ./configure and not an issue with the Qt build
23:17.45znfUsing the ./configure from the bitcoin source, cross-compiling, works just fine with the same prefix
23:18.02znfbut I'm trying to build an altcoin using the same depend tree from bitcoin
23:18.26znfwhich in theory should work (the linux build succeeds perfectly, creates working binaries and even the qt one runs just fine)
23:24.28znfholy shit it's almost friday
23:26.55nevcairielits barely thursday
23:27.52Primerznf: whatever it is, it's in config.log
23:28.25PrimerI've looked at many a config.log...I'll check it out for you. Paste the whole thing though
23:28.36Primererr, nm, I see a URL
23:28.39Primerclicks...
23:28.48PrimerAaaaaanddd it's Rick Roll
23:29.32Primerconfigure:24476: error: Could not resolve: -lqwindows
23:29.38PrimerObviously, that's the problem
23:29.48znfwell, yes :P
23:31.03znfbut why?
23:36.17znfPrimer, or, rather, how is conftest.cpp generated?
23:36.20znfI can't figure that out
23:59.04znfPrimer, I fixed!
23:59.12znfat least ./configure went past that :D

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