00:44.03 | Funkeh` | damn son https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/02/bitcoins-transaction-fee-crisis-is-over-for-now/ |
00:44.11 | Funkeh` | things looking good for btc |
01:05.56 | nebula | how long does it take a clear a transaction now a days? |
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12:33.03 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: intel has released a new batch of microcode updates and a new pdf with the version info (https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/02/microcode-update-guidance.pdf), in case you're interested |
12:38.32 | Megalon | i love the smell of fresh microcode in the morning |
12:58.26 | Phixion | mikrokot |
12:59.05 | nevcairiel | i wonder when i'll get a bios update with those |
12:59.47 | nevcairiel | they released one just recently with the latest pre-mitigation microcode, i think it was planned to include the fix but that was pulled due to intels advisory |
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13:08.37 | znf | you could always do it yourself, can't you? |
13:14.51 | nevcairiel | not really |
13:21.37 | znf | mod bios? |
13:23.28 | nevcairiel | cant really do that reliably for most boards |
13:25.32 | znf | I'm noticing that fucking slow-down when alt-tabbing in Windows 10 |
13:25.38 | znf | ...but only when I have the file explorer opened |
13:25.54 | Stanzilla | no ivy bridge yet :( |
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14:32.06 | Megalon | http://i.imgur.com/iyuhjDF.gifv |
14:36.46 | Megalon | so the trolley problem has been solved irl |
14:38.45 | silentium | multi-track drifting is old, http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/multi-track-drifting ;p |
14:38.55 | wink | like a boss |
14:47.16 | Megalon | I know InitialD |
14:47.49 | Megalon | but that proofs its reallife feasibility :P |
15:09.02 | quiescens | moo |
15:43.41 | znf | Megalon, 20x, 18.4% |
15:45.53 | ls- | moo ):3 |
15:46.44 | znf | holy fuck |
15:46.45 | znf | 30x |
15:46.47 | znf | 23.29% |
15:46.49 | znf | \o/ |
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16:22.46 | znf | Stanzilla, why is my task manager eating up like 20% CPU when it's opened? |
16:24.33 | Stanzilla | windows 10 |
16:24.51 | znf | no, I'm using Windows 9 |
16:24.56 | nevcairiel | mine doesnt do that, must be znf being weird |
16:24.59 | Stanzilla | no, I mean that is the reason |
16:25.02 | Stanzilla | mine does that as well |
16:25.14 | znf | it only randomly does it |
16:25.17 | Stanzilla | yeah |
16:25.31 | znf | but it's so fucking annoying to wait 1 second for alt+tab to work |
16:25.51 | nevcairiel | i also dont have that problem =p |
16:25.58 | Stanzilla | I think it's some antivir thing |
16:26.16 | znf | I don't have antivirus enabled at all |
16:26.27 | znf | the new stupid exploit shit is disabled, too |
16:26.52 | Stanzilla | dunno then |
16:26.56 | Stanzilla | blame meltdown or so :D |
16:27.09 | nevcairiel | maybe medling with all this shit is the cause of your problem! |
16:27.10 | wink | I suggest using a RasPi. no meltdown |
16:27.16 | Stanzilla | do tell when you find out what causes it though |
16:27.31 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: no, i had that before |
16:28.17 | znf | Stanzilla, like I said, I don't even have the meltdown/spectre patches applied |
16:28.25 | Stanzilla | yeah I dont know |
16:28.28 | Stanzilla | just that I have it as well |
16:28.54 | znf | why does compiling QT take so fucking much |
16:29.18 | nevcairiel | why are you compiling QuickTime |
16:29.42 | znf | qt not quicktime |
16:29.52 | znf | ...where do you get the sources for quicktime? |
16:29.56 | nevcairiel | its called "Qt", QT is quicktime |
16:30.01 | nevcairiel | get it right, fuckwit =p |
16:30.14 | Stanzilla | rude |
16:30.27 | znf | why does compiling this-retarded-widgetting-crap take so fucking much? |
16:30.32 | Megalon | he's hitting on your spouse, Stanzilla |
16:31.31 | nevcairiel | just disable compiling its webkit module, takes like 90% of the time away |
16:34.44 | znf | I wonder how do I do that in this package |
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16:59.48 | znf | ...still compiling |
17:08.42 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/MLCoQQe.png |
17:08.43 | znf | :-| |
17:08.44 | znf | seriously |
17:10.39 | nevcairiel | why are you building a super ancient version anyway |
17:11.17 | znf | because that's what the package provides :-/ |
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17:11.29 | znf | ask bitcore devs :-/ |
17:12.35 | znf | tough, why the hell would I need printing support |
17:26.29 | Megalon | so you can print your compile errors |
17:43.45 | znf | Stanzilla, WSL is not multithreaded, is it? |
17:43.55 | znf | I mean, there was something about threads and WSL |
17:44.00 | Stanzilla | dunno |
17:44.41 | nevcairiel | that question doesnt make any sense |
17:44.47 | nevcairiel | WSL is even multi-process |
17:44.51 | nevcairiel | and each process can use threads |
17:45.11 | nevcairiel | the only thing its still bad at is file IO (its slooow), but they are working on that |
17:51.06 | znf | can't seem to make it compile with more than 1 thread |
17:52.00 | nevcairiel | compiling would be multi-process, not multi-thread, anyway =p |
17:52.01 | znf | ie: passing -j to make has no effect |
17:52.42 | nevcairiel | some projects are not setup in a way where this works properly |
17:53.24 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/EAfz3YT.png |
17:53.26 | znf | :-/ |
17:54.20 | znf | I wonder if I can build this altcoin's binaries using the dep tree froom bitcoin 0.16 |
18:16.00 | znf | so far so good |
18:20.47 | znf | Stanzilla, uh, I *might* be getting a F36 to test-drive for a few days :D |
18:21.02 | Stanzilla | uh nice |
18:21.38 | znf | I wanted something with a huge engine tough |
18:22.00 | znf | I'm waiting to see if they have a 440i available |
18:22.14 | znf | the other cars available were only SUVs or cross-overs :( |
18:22.53 | znf | basically: 4er grand-coupe, X3, X5 plug-in hybrid or X6 :-/ |
18:24.33 | znf | ...because apparently they don't give out M's anymore for test-drives :D |
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18:41.41 | znf | Gnarfoz, can you make sense of this request of one of my friends? he wants "a small keyboard with 8-12 buttons for gaming" |
18:41.42 | znf | ?! |
18:43.53 | Stanzilla | orbweaver |
18:43.56 | znf | Gnarfoz, so basically like this https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/product/g13-advanced-gameboard |
18:44.31 | nevcairiel | so tell him to get that |
18:44.32 | nevcairiel | =p |
18:46.38 | znf | oh, apparently he can't find it for sale in romania |
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18:56.01 | znf | https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001NEK2GE/ |
18:56.03 | znf | uhm |
18:56.08 | znf | yes, I know, Japan |
18:56.09 | znf | but...?! |
18:56.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: znf is right, WSL seems to only use one thread, regardless of what the process on the "inside" does |
18:56.44 | Gnarfoz | I recently complained about that when I was trying to use multi-threaded zstd ^^ |
18:57.30 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: microcode: thanks; someone from our corporate team actually put that onto their relevant wiki page before I saw it :D |
19:02.47 | Gnarfoz | znf: they all have a common ancestor: the nostromo speedpad n52: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostromo_SpeedPad_n52#Current_Gamepads_(2017)_for_Windows_10_and_MacOS_that_function_like_Nostromo_SpeedPad |
19:04.17 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: maybe your tool sucks? |
19:04.30 | nevcairiel | compiling stuff inside wsl with make -j20 gives me 100% cpu load |
19:04.38 | nevcairiel | (the case znf was asking about anyway) |
19:05.10 | znf | I've been at this compile shit for hours now |
19:05.21 | znf | patched the codebase of an altcoin |
19:05.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: entirely possible |
19:05.29 | znf | cross-compiling the windows gui fails |
19:05.34 | znf | tried different toolchains |
19:05.35 | Gnarfoz | but it was showing multiple threads inside WSL |
19:05.37 | znf | fucking windows shit |
19:05.58 | Gnarfoz | I actually have an unused n52 laying around at my parents' place |
19:06.37 | nevcairiel | also something odd is going on, the task manager doesnt show my cpu clocking up beyond base anymore |
19:06.37 | Gnarfoz | fuck I spent 3 minutes before sending that googling if it's laying or lying, figured out it's lying, and didn't correct it before sending. lolol |
19:07.09 | Gnarfoz | did you install hyper-v? (actually no, that was fixed/changed in later versions) |
19:07.14 | nevcairiel | despite other tools like HWInfo definitely showing full clocks |
19:07.31 | Gnarfoz | and re taskmgr being a cpu hog: just use process hacker! it's totally betterer anyway. znf ^^ |
19:07.55 | znf | it's just not that accesible |
19:09.03 | Gnarfoz | ? |
19:09.20 | Gnarfoz | you mean "you have copy it/install it everywhere you want to use it?" |
19:11.56 | znf | I mean I can't right click on my taskbar to start it :P |
19:12.04 | Gnarfoz | sure you can |
19:12.16 | Gnarfoz | I've never actually used the option, but it has one to "replace task manager" |
19:12.49 | znf | ah cool |
19:12.50 | znf | thx |
19:14.04 | znf | uhm, what? https://i.imgur.com/NDyPYSU.png |
19:14.24 | Gnarfoz | o_o |
19:14.40 | nevcairiel | processhacker hacked you |
19:14.47 | nevcairiel | didnt you see that coming |
19:14.49 | Gnarfoz | err, that's the disk tab, maybe it was reading info out of that file because... yeah I don't know |
19:14.58 | znf | ...it's constant |
19:15.00 | znf | doesn't stop |
19:15.02 | znf | over and over |
19:15.07 | Gnarfoz | then it's probably misattribution? ^^ |
19:15.20 | Gnarfoz | check taskmgr or errr what's the other one's binary even named |
19:15.22 | Gnarfoz | perfmon? |
19:15.39 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
19:16.09 | nevcairiel | its perfmon, but just running perfmon.exe doesnt give you the view one wants |
19:16.26 | nevcairiel | its "perfmon.exe /res" =p |
19:16.34 | Gnarfoz | that's why I was unsure, because I recall perfmon being the ugly MMC one |
19:16.48 | nevcairiel | or just use the "resource monitor" shortcut in start menu, or the link from the task manager |
19:17.06 | Gnarfoz | I guess you could type it in if it's in some default folder |
19:17.17 | znf | fuck it, I closed teamviewer |
19:17.25 | znf | maybe lag shit stops |
19:17.27 | Gnarfoz | I should probably get used to doing that instead of going via taskmgr |
19:18.16 | nevcairiel | its interesting how fast one changes, back in the days I used the classic start menu for as long as I could, keep a neatly organized folder structure and everything |
19:18.33 | nevcairiel | then that went away and I wouldnt want to go back anyway, the search is just fully sufficient |
19:19.43 | znf | I still use Start10 over the Windows search |
19:19.53 | nevcairiel | i just see no point |
19:20.01 | nevcairiel | it just works for me |
19:20.05 | znf | tile aversion :D |
19:20.32 | Gnarfoz | you know you can make it so small that there are no tiles? |
19:20.34 | nevcairiel | my daily usage stuff I have pinned (like 3 or 4 things) and a few more on the desktop as icons, and thats it |
19:20.43 | znf | also in my experience, the windows search never returns what I want/need |
19:20.49 | znf | the start10 one does, for some reasons |
19:20.55 | Gnarfoz | always works for programs in the start menu folders, for me |
19:20.57 | znf | could be because I don't really use it |
19:21.08 | Gnarfoz | I don't use it for files, though, never have |
19:21.16 | nevcairiel | same, just app shortcuts |
19:21.32 | znf | oh, also that, I hate how the Windows start menu stopped grouping programs properly |
19:21.45 | Gnarfoz | grouping? |
19:21.54 | nevcairiel | i just never look at anything but the search result or my few pins anyway |
19:22.03 | Gnarfoz | you put the shortcuts in a folder, like the last 20 years, what has changed? ^^ |
19:22.36 | znf | this: https://i.imgur.com/g0uYsc2.png vs. https://i.imgur.com/jDGN49z.png |
19:22.43 | Gnarfoz | I do have... 6 columns wide, 4.5 rows high of tiles with pinned stuff, and I could probably get rid of some of that... certainly more than a regular height w7 start menu could contain |
19:23.02 | Gnarfoz | uh, it's just by alphabet? oO |
19:23.30 | znf | I like my folders together |
19:23.43 | Gnarfoz | I'd actually like if Explorer could do that |
19:23.49 | Gnarfoz | at least for sorting purposes sometimes |
19:23.58 | nevcairiel | like what? |
19:23.59 | Gnarfoz | because it can't sort folders by size/date/blah |
19:23.59 | znf | I also primarely use the search |
19:24.16 | znf | but very rarely I have go to deeper and the new one just annoyes the hell out of me |
19:25.04 | Gnarfoz | this discussion is probably the first time I've scrolled in that folder list in the start menu, this year |
19:25.04 | Gnarfoz | :D |
19:25.23 | Gnarfoz | btw https://i.imgur.com/SnAO74U.png |
19:25.41 | Gnarfoz | I had just started irfanview, and the backblaze thread was also fresh |
19:26.13 | Gnarfoz | paired with peview.exe being there, I'd say it's because it verifies signatures, analyzes whatever, on startup |
19:26.48 | Gnarfoz | (not quite sure how that jives with it touching teamviewer for a longer time? maybe it's just going slow? or it would have stopped soon after? I don't know |
19:27.36 | Gnarfoz | it does have a ton of features, (at least) one of them is probably to blame :D |
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19:27.59 | Gnarfoz | (also, plugins) |
19:28.16 | znf | this is weird |
19:28.24 | znf | alt+tab was lagging |
19:28.28 | znf | I closed process hacker |
19:28.30 | Gnarfoz | heh, the main options page actually has a field right there to tell it where peview.exe is. maybe it'll stop if you clear that |
19:28.30 | znf | not lagging |
19:28.56 | Gnarfoz | (I do wonder what those lag problems are that people have... I've not had any of those, yet) |
19:29.18 | Gnarfoz | I do have PH running on startup, so, it's probably not the cause |
19:29.44 | znf | yeah, I'm not blaming it |
19:30.10 | znf | I'm just wondering what causes the OS to do that specifically when I have taskmanager /or/ process hacker |
19:30.48 | Gnarfoz | right, then it's possibly something they both do |
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19:31.16 | znf | yup, my guess is that it's trying to poll something that is slow to respond |
19:32.40 | znf | it's also very weird to try to fix the cause |
19:32.48 | znf | as sometimes I kill a process and the issue goes away |
19:33.03 | znf | so you think you found the culprit, but a few minutes later, you get it agian |
19:44.08 | znf | I've been compiling at Qt for the last 4 hours now |
19:55.10 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/H5daxEd.png |
19:55.11 | znf | :-/ |
20:05.46 | Megalon | might be better to mine some shitcoin and pay someone who knows how to do it instead |
20:07.58 | znf | or I just want to learn? |
20:13.40 | Gnarfoz | sounded like you were compiling some cryptocurrency software earlier |
20:20.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that microcode list is... mostly unchanged, but: for all CPUs I care about, the status is now at least "beta" (i.e. fixed version exists and has been shipped to OEMs for testing) |
20:22.25 | znf | Gnarfoz, yes |
20:22.27 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: my cpu got a fixed release, so it has some changes! :D |
20:22.34 | nevcairiel | (skylake x) |
20:23.08 | Gnarfoz | 1-percenter-cpu |
20:23.09 | Gnarfoz | :D |
20:28.26 | znf | 25⬠for a fucking mount |
20:28.29 | znf | fuck off, blizzard |
20:30.43 | Gnarfoz | the usual price |
20:31.16 | Gnarfoz | I wonder if this means (actually, Skylake S was in the last update already) that ASrock made a new bios finally? |
20:31.42 | Gnarfoz | obviously not |
20:33.19 | nevcairiel | msi made one and they even listed spectre fixes in it, but the microcode was actually old |
20:33.33 | nevcairiel | my guess is that they pulled it on the intel recommendation but someone that wrote the changelog didnt get the memo |
20:34.01 | Gnarfoz | or it's the microcode that was released, wait-a-minute'd, and then approved again (Skylake for example) |
20:34.19 | Gnarfoz | https://www.asrock.com/support/index.us.asp?cat=BIOS there's some with "microcode update" there, that's a helpful description... |
20:34.22 | nevcairiel | x299 doesnt exactly have a wide variety of microcode |
20:34.34 | nevcairiel | kbl-x and skl-x =p |
20:35.00 | Gnarfoz | AuÃenseiterhardware |
20:42.08 | Stanzilla | probably wont get anything for my Steinzeithardware |
20:44.50 | Stanzilla | https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_Z77/HelpDesk_BIOS/ |
20:44.51 | Stanzilla | :D |
20:54.23 | Gnarfoz | if only the Microsoft microcode loader was configurable |
20:54.37 | Gnarfoz | since Intel seems to be making updates for at least back to Sandy Bridge CPUs |
20:55.05 | Gnarfoz | for people with mainboards that don't get a new firmware, what other solution is there |
20:55.37 | Gnarfoz | (vmware's driver doesn't work; or rather, it loads after the MS update checks for the instructions) |
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21:05.31 | nevcairiel | maybe microsoft decides to ship updates eventually |
21:07.37 | znf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad_higXixRA |
21:07.48 | znf | to be fair, as an european, no idea what those prices would be |
21:11.47 | nevcairiel | bill must be getting bored |
21:11.58 | nevcairiel | he is also on TBBT next month |
21:13.26 | znf | big bang theory? |
21:14.57 | nevcairiel | yeah |
21:41.05 | Gnarfoz | are they running out of ideas, yet? |
21:42.45 | Gnarfoz | tide pods thing 20$? hm |
21:43.02 | Gnarfoz | 72 pieces? big pack I guess |
21:49.03 | Stanzilla | are you that hungry? |
21:51.00 | Gnarfoz | ask Ellen, she picked it |
21:52.43 | znf | apparently I've learned so much today |
21:52.49 | znf | about automake/autoconf |
21:52.54 | znf | macros & shit like that |
22:49.04 | Primer | Welcome to 1995? |
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23:02.37 | znf | Primer, pft, I'm not a developer |
23:03.37 | Primer | hehe |
23:03.46 | znf | Primer, you look like one ^^ |
23:03.57 | Primer | It's one of the hats I wear |
23:04.02 | znf | I'm getting: configure: error: Could not resolve: -lqwindows |
23:04.10 | Primer | It's the one I've been trying to focus on... |
23:04.17 | znf | while trying to cross-compile |
23:04.35 | Primer | But I've been nothing other than creating more infrastructure on AWS |
23:04.55 | Primer | More IT, less developing |
23:05.02 | Primer | I'm trying to swing that the OTHER way |
23:05.09 | znf | how much do you know how to read a config.log? :D |
23:05.16 | Primer | a lot |
23:05.20 | Primer | find the error |
23:05.25 | Primer | install -dev pacakge |
23:05.26 | Primer | repate |
23:05.28 | Primer | err |
23:05.30 | Primer | repeat |
23:05.37 | znf | I technically have those |
23:05.42 | Primer | until it builds |
23:05.44 | znf | I can find libqwindows.a |
23:06.05 | Primer | That would imply a link-time error |
23:06.14 | znf | yet: https://i.imgur.com/Ezy8UA5.png |
23:06.15 | Primer | So...it compiles but does not link? |
23:07.10 | znf | https://hastebin.com/raw/uketibigam |
23:10.04 | znf | I am guessing it's around: configure:24444 |
23:10.17 | znf | specifically: |
23:10.22 | znf | /usr/src/bitcoin/depends/x86_64-w64-mingw32/share/../plugins/platforms/libqwindows.a(qwindowscontext.o):qwindowscontext.cpp:(.text+0x2cd7): undefined reference to `QWindowsGuiEventDispatcher::windowsMessageName(unsigned int)' |
23:11.38 | znf | I'm /this/ close to just attempt building 32bit :-/ |
23:11.49 | znf | I have no idea if that would change anything |
23:17.18 | znf | it sure is an issue in my generated ./configure and not an issue with the Qt build |
23:17.45 | znf | Using the ./configure from the bitcoin source, cross-compiling, works just fine with the same prefix |
23:18.02 | znf | but I'm trying to build an altcoin using the same depend tree from bitcoin |
23:18.26 | znf | which in theory should work (the linux build succeeds perfectly, creates working binaries and even the qt one runs just fine) |
23:24.28 | znf | holy shit it's almost friday |
23:26.55 | nevcairiel | its barely thursday |
23:27.52 | Primer | znf: whatever it is, it's in config.log |
23:28.25 | Primer | I've looked at many a config.log...I'll check it out for you. Paste the whole thing though |
23:28.36 | Primer | err, nm, I see a URL |
23:28.39 | Primer | clicks... |
23:28.48 | Primer | Aaaaaanddd it's Rick Roll |
23:29.32 | Primer | configure:24476: error: Could not resolve: -lqwindows |
23:29.38 | Primer | Obviously, that's the problem |
23:29.48 | znf | well, yes :P |
23:31.03 | znf | but why? |
23:36.17 | znf | Primer, or, rather, how is conftest.cpp generated? |
23:36.20 | znf | I can't figure that out |
23:59.04 | znf | Primer, I fixed! |
23:59.12 | znf | at least ./configure went past that :D |