| 00:00.29 | Gnarfoz | https://aomedia.googlesource.com/av1-spec/ lol, the broken formatting really inspires confidence, doesn't it :D |
| 00:00.34 | nevcairiel | it'll just take time, when you're still working on the specification of the format, you dont work on speed (and sometimes not even the full potential of quality), you want a clean bitstream first. First hardware decoders might appear by the end of this year, maybe, actual consumer content probably not for another year, is my conservative estimate. |
| 00:01.25 | Gnarfoz | is it going to have levels like h264 where you might end up with a device that can't play back all the features |
| 00:01.35 | Gnarfoz | that'd be such a horrible thing to repeat :D |
| 00:01.42 | Funkeh` | Gnarfoz: but at the same time, new standard, new tv, more sales |
| 00:01.59 | nevcairiel | noone buys a new tv just so that it can play av1 |
| 00:02.03 | nevcairiel | consumers dont even know what that is |
| 00:02.21 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: sure, alas, people do use TVs to watch TV still (don't ask me why), and DVB uses h264 ^^ |
| 00:02.33 | nevcairiel | DVB-T2 actually uses HEVC |
| 00:02.52 | nevcairiel | but of course its only one breed of the DVBs |
| 00:03.09 | Gnarfoz | so whatever they do, unless they turn their TVs into just big-ass displays without tuners/decoders for broadcast, they're not going to save on that end (on the other hand, AV1 should be "free" to add) |
| 00:03.31 | Gnarfoz | is there any breed that doesn't use something MPEG-based? ^^ |
| 00:03.34 | nevcairiel | still needs hardware that does it |
| 00:03.37 | Gnarfoz | like, VC-1 |
| 00:04.16 | znf | what country has DVB-T2? |
| 00:04.19 | nevcairiel | i think vc1 was briefly used in japan, but its an equally bad format either way and probably shares the same mpeg patents anyway |
| 00:04.22 | nevcairiel | germany! |
| 00:04.47 | Gnarfoz | AFAIK several other countries in Europe went straight to DVB-T2 from analog |
| 00:04.50 | znf | I don't buy a TV even for HDR and/or 4K |
| 00:04.59 | Gnarfoz | and those use H264 instead of H265 |
| 00:05.04 | znf | 1080p is just fine for me |
| 00:05.07 | nevcairiel | one has to note that DVB-T2 can be HEVC, but doesnt have to be |
| 00:05.16 | nevcairiel | but german DVB-T2 is HEVC |
| 00:05.22 | Gnarfoz | I think we're the only one |
| 00:05.23 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:06.35 | nevcairiel | anyhow both vp9 and av1 arent well suited for broadcast use, they lack certain features for that, so I doubt the MPEGs are going to be replaced there anytime soon |
| 00:07.06 | nevcairiel | (not that anything happens anytime soon in broadcast land) |
| 00:07.09 | Gnarfoz | .cz also uses h265 - yay |
| 00:07.42 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: inb4 our national broadcasters start broadcasting 1080p ^^ |
| 00:08.09 | nevcairiel | I rather take their 720p50 then 1080i25 anyway |
| 00:08.15 | Gnarfoz | well sure |
| 00:08.20 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 00:08.33 | Funkeh` | this was my thoughts about 10bit |
| 00:08.43 | Funkeh` | "can we focus on higher framerate first" |
| 00:09.08 | nevcairiel | 10-bit is required for HDR, hence why its a thing |
| 00:09.33 | znf | why is HDR a thing? :D |
| 00:09.40 | Gnarfoz | because eyes are a thing |
| 00:09.46 | nevcairiel | making images pop sells, apparently |
| 00:09.48 | Funkeh` | so? then you just switch that to "can we focus on higher framerate first... bnefore HDR" |
| 00:10.10 | Gnarfoz | HDR is definitely the easier accepted improvement |
| 00:10.22 | Gnarfoz | since it doesn't fuck with the holy "cinematic look" as much |
| 00:11.15 | Gnarfoz | (which just means people who are used to certain combinations of shutter speeds and framerates) |
| 00:11.27 | nevcairiel | the new optical disc and display standards all allow for higher refresh rates anyway, web content doesnt care either way, now someone just needs to start making it |
| 00:11.41 | Gnarfoz | "oh noes it looks like a soaaap op'rahhh lel" jesus gtfo :P |
| 00:12.02 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 00:12.06 | Funkeh` | pretty much |
| 00:12.34 | nevcairiel | except those people havent seen a proper film made in 60 fps |
| 00:12.39 | nevcairiel | because they dont exist |
| 00:12.43 | Gnarfoz | hey, one does! |
| 00:12.46 | Gnarfoz | ok it was 48 fps |
| 00:12.50 | Gnarfoz | but still! |
| 00:12.53 | nevcairiel | actually there is a 60 fps movie |
| 00:13.04 | Funkeh` | wasn't the hobbit movies at 50 |
| 00:13.10 | Gnarfoz | should be 2x 24 |
| 00:13.19 | Gnarfoz | which was the easy thing to do |
| 00:13.37 | Gnarfoz | "easy" ^^ |
| 00:13.40 | nevcairiel | "Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk" is 60 fps, came out on UHD BD at 4k@60fps and screwed over all those people that have systems that can barely play 4k@24 content =p |
| 00:13.49 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 00:14.16 | Funkeh` | how so? doesn't it just cut out the frames producing the same result? |
| 00:14.35 | nevcairiel | when you do that, you get a weird movie |
| 00:15.13 | nevcairiel | which is the big point, you need to actually shoot it properly and process it properly, or you get the motion blur wrong, and you get the "soap opera" effect (ie. it looks cheap) |
| 00:15.23 | nevcairiel | which is what people see when you interpolate a movie from 24 to 60 |
| 00:15.30 | nevcairiel | the motioin gets updated, the blur not so much |
| 00:15.48 | znf | wam I the only one annoyed by those expensive TVs that up the framerate on everything artificially? |
| 00:16.00 | znf | and there's no way to turn it off? |
| 00:16.08 | nevcairiel | most have options to turn it off |
| 00:16.12 | Gnarfoz | first thing to turn off, for sure |
| 00:16.57 | znf | taht's what I knew... until a friend of mine bought one of those samsung curved displays |
| 00:16.58 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: however, blur is certainly not only a matter of FPS, shutter speed plays into it as well - shutter speed being something most video *viewers* haven't even heard of |
| 00:17.07 | Gnarfoz | so yeah, good luck having people understand any of this |
| 00:17.32 | nevcairiel | the shutter speed actually is what controls how much blur you get |
| 00:17.40 | Gnarfoz | "buuut myyyy iiiiiPhone can do it *bubble gum pop*" |
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| 00:17.55 | Gnarfoz | explodes in 60 fps |
| 00:19.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: why did it have to be another stupid US war movie |
| 00:19.12 | Gnarfoz | ugh |
| 00:19.17 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 00:19.24 | nevcairiel | i know right, but its the only one i know of |
| 00:19.46 | Gnarfoz | too bad :| |
| 00:19.48 | znf | which one? |
| 00:19.53 | Gnarfoz | see above |
| 00:19.54 | znf | ah, billy whatever |
| 00:19.55 | znf | yes |
| 00:20.06 | Funkeh` | sounds B rated |
| 00:20.14 | Gnarfoz | too bad no hobbit high fps release for us plebs |
| 00:20.25 | Gnarfoz | or does UHD BD not support 48 fps |
| 00:20.27 | znf | >c 0.01133245 btc to usd |
| 00:20.28 | Catal1na` | 0.01133245 BTC == 80.3734751085 USD (04-14.56%) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin |
| 00:20.32 | znf | mah moneyz |
| 00:20.34 | Gnarfoz | which would be the best kind of stupidity |
| 00:20.58 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: what on earth is "dual strip 3D" |
| 00:20.59 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:21.01 | nevcairiel | i dont think it does Gnarfoz, but neither does any kind of consumer display |
| 00:21.25 | nevcairiel | but they also got rid of 3D anyway |
| 00:21.29 | znf | thank fuck |
| 00:21.31 | nevcairiel | and 48 fps was only 3d |
| 00:21.52 | Gnarfoz | well, 99% of displays don't show 24000/1001 content at that refresh rate, they still show it on 60 Hz displays, so... isn't hat a moot point |
| 00:22.08 | Funkeh` | lol 3D |
| 00:22.09 | nevcairiel | not sure 99% is accurate |
| 00:22.10 | Funkeh` | die die die |
| 00:22.38 | Gnarfoz | I mean, TVs included in that number, surely those don't switch display refresh rates on a per-content basis? |
| 00:23.08 | Funkeh` | https://hometheaterhifi.com/q-a/the-hobbit-on-blu-ray-at-hfr/ |
| 00:23.10 | nevcairiel | consumer boxes like BD players or stuff actually send the native rate |
| 00:23.28 | Gnarfoz | well, sure, but the displays (HER EMAILS) |
| 00:23.47 | nevcairiel | so its no different as if you feed it through HDMI from a PC |
| 00:23.51 | nevcairiel | and it definitely switches then |
| 00:23.59 | nevcairiel | well, most displays do |
| 00:24.02 | nevcairiel | some are dumb |
| 00:24.03 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: well, that only mentions BD, not UHD BD, but... I think nevcairiel already answered that |
| 00:24.36 | nevcairiel | The key is that HFR was only for 3D, and there is no consumer tech to display HFR 3D, so it would be pointless |
| 00:24.44 | nevcairiel | its a shame they didnt even bother to do it for 2D |
| 00:25.12 | Gnarfoz | I'd kind of expect HFR 3D to "just work"? but I guess the components involved might not be fast enough |
| 00:25.52 | Gnarfoz | I mean, should be easy enough to create an arbitrary Half-SBS or some other variant 3D file with high framerate and check? |
| 00:26.19 | Gnarfoz | (perhaps don't start with MVC-coded stuff or frame-packed) |
| 00:26.37 | nevcairiel | 48 fps wont really return anyway |
| 00:26.44 | nevcairiel | i hear avatar 2 will be in 60 fps |
| 00:26.56 | znf | pft, 300fps or bust |
| 00:26.56 | Gnarfoz | yeah, Cameron said he wanted to push that |
| 00:31.27 | nevcairiel | its still 2 years away though, we'll see |
| 01:14.05 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 01:20.13 | Funkeh` | 2018 and we still have game optimizers and idiots that think you need to disable a bunch of services when the majority in windows 10 are load on demand |
| 01:22.08 | znf | http://store.steampowered.com/app/735360/Driver_Booster_5_for_Steam/ |
| 01:22.16 | znf | *sigh* |
| 01:22.29 | Funkeh` | i hope it's all added to the new windows defender update |
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| 01:25.41 | znf | >C 1 btc to usd |
| 01:25.43 | Catal1na` | 1 BTC == 6835.32 USD (04-16.48%) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin |
| 01:25.43 | znf | rip |
| 01:26.09 | Funkeh` | :( |
| 01:26.27 | znf | world markets are in red |
| 01:26.33 | znf | not only cryptocurrencies |
| 01:26.34 | Funkeh` | the banks banning the use of credit cards to buy bitcoin is sickening |
| 01:27.15 | znf | too high risk, I guess |
| 01:27.18 | Funkeh` | glad mine has an open policy, use your card how you want, not how we dictate |
| 01:27.35 | Funkeh` | the majority of banks have no policy on how you can use your card |
| 01:27.45 | znf | probably gonna crash even more :-S |
| 01:27.48 | Funkeh` | bullshit does it have naything to do with risk |
| 01:28.17 | znf | chargebacks? |
| 01:28.24 | Funkeh` | for a valid purchase? |
| 01:29.02 | znf | who knows |
| 01:29.20 | znf | I have no idea, really, I haven't looked into it, I don't have a credit card |
| 01:29.24 | znf | Always had debit and only debit |
| 01:29.32 | Funkeh` | https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/cards/2018/02/lloyds-bans-bitcoin-purchases-on-its-credit-cards |
| 01:29.50 | Funkeh` | the excuse is about borrowing money to purchase it, which you could apply to a billion things |
| 01:30.11 | znf | >c [0.02382741 + 0.03771133 + 0.01704820] btc to usd |
| 01:30.12 | Catal1na` | coinmarketcap convert [<number>] <currency1> to <currency2> |
| 01:30.20 | znf | >c [math calc 0.02382741 + 0.03771133 + 0.01704820] btc to usd |
| 01:30.21 | Catal1na` | 0.07858694 BTC == 537.1668827208 USD (04-16.48%) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin |
| 01:30.58 | znf | that's what I have stuck in exchanges :D |
| 01:31.19 | Funkeh` | storing in on an exchange sounds wise AF |
| 01:31.27 | znf | well, "stuck" |
| 01:31.33 | znf | eh, it's in different coins |
| 01:31.39 | znf | not all in BTC |
| 01:31.55 | znf | having to create 1 wallet for each currency is not a good way to stay sane |
| 01:32.00 | Funkeh` | get those wallets installed and use up that hd space |
| 01:32.10 | znf | way too many, fuck that |
| 01:32.23 | znf | >c 1 btc to eth |
| 01:32.25 | Catal1na` | 1 BTC == 10.0540846026 ETH (04-17.14%) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin |
| 01:32.37 | znf | I'm not sure why this keeps dropping so badly tough |
| 01:32.40 | znf | >c 1 btc to dash |
| 01:32.42 | Catal1na` | 1 BTC == 15.4178620299 DASH (04-17.14%) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin |
| 01:32.53 | znf | I mean, sure, btc drops like a rock |
| 01:33.05 | znf | but the ratio of these coins *should* normally stay in check |
| 01:33.15 | znf | volatile shit |
| 01:35.24 | quiescens | silleh znf |
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| 02:30.52 | znf | nevcairiel, do you need to do a lot of crap to compile QT on Windows? |
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| 10:11.25 | Gnarfoz | where my beta at |
| 10:12.33 | Stanzilla | next week |
| 10:12.48 | quiescens | o.o |
| 10:20.36 | Gnarfoz | or this week! |
| 10:20.55 | Gnarfoz | or does something like an FF patch release next week ;p |
| 10:24.23 | Stanzilla | didnt even check because I really dont care :D |
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| 10:24.52 | Gnarfoz | good for you |
| 10:29.43 | Stanzilla | is it though? |
| 10:29.54 | quiescens | gives Stanzilla a cookie |
| 10:30.17 | Alram | i'm gonna go with this week |
| 10:30.25 | Alram | though the build is still broken i think so will need a build first |
| 10:30.31 | Alram | maybe tonight (after falcon heavy preferably) |
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| 10:42.14 | ls- | IIRC, first wave of invites is supposed to be sent out this week |
| 10:42.19 | ls- | either today or tomorrow |
| 10:49.47 | Gnarfoz | and you base that on... what |
| 10:49.48 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 10:53.41 | Gnarfoz | znf: apparently because of http://fortune.com/2018/02/05/bitcoin-china-website-ico-block-ban-firewall/ |
| 10:55.37 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: everyone has their own rumors about beta^walpha |
| 11:16.13 | ls- | this ^ |
| 11:22.06 | quiescens | o.o |
| 11:22.41 | quiescens | what are you betaing this time |
| 11:24.06 | nevcairiel | nothing yet, which would be the problem |
| 11:25.59 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: certainly! I should ask my guy if employee beta has started by now, it hadn't last week |
| 11:28.59 | nevcairiel | we would probably notice if servers are up |
| 11:30.10 | nevcairiel | and people say the current build is le broke |
| 11:30.29 | quiescens | /blame torhal? |
| 11:30.37 | ls- | always |
| 11:37.17 | ls- | sleepy owl https://www.instagram.com/p/BexpCrpl0gh/ |
| 11:37.22 | ls- | it's so cute :> |
| 11:52.35 | quiescens | gives ls- a cookie |
| 11:53.15 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that doesn't run on those servers, afaik |
| 13:16.32 | Stanzilla | Ihre Amazon.de Bestellung von "Taktische Einsatz Weste..." wurde versandt! |
| 13:16.47 | Megalon | you think you might get swatted, stan? |
| 13:16.57 | Megalon | or are you going to shoot up a mall |
| 13:17.10 | Stanzilla | preparing for zombie apocalypse |
| 13:17.13 | Stanzilla | aka karneval |
| 13:17.33 | Megalon | i thought the thing to buy was a bag of condoms at most |
| 13:18.40 | Stanzilla | to prevent spreading of my broken genome? |
| 13:19.01 | Megalon | to prevent getting syphilis or hpv |
| 13:20.01 | Stanzilla | meh, always try new things |
| 13:52.37 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: he's the one doing the swatting, new carreer |
| 13:52.48 | Gnarfoz | also, Frust-Döner inc |
| 13:53.15 | Megalon | ooooooh |
| 13:53.24 | Megalon | Stan, go swat the dönerbude! |
| 13:56.02 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure that's how that works, unless they've expanded into live-streaming |
| 13:56.10 | Gnarfoz | twitch.tv/gammelfleischbros |
| 14:07.27 | Stanzilla | actually clicked :( |
| 14:12.16 | Phixion | :( |
| 14:20.19 | quiescens | ): |
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| 15:20.14 | Gnarfoz | that was some nice Yufka |
| 15:20.29 | Phixion | shrugs |
| 15:26.21 | Gnarfoz | there is no remedy for tinfoil hatters, is there |
| 15:29.02 | quiescens | o.O |
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| 15:45.10 | ls- | join them |
| 15:45.24 | ls- | you'll stop noticing tin foil hats then :p |
| 15:45.29 | quiescens | gives Gnarfoz a sheet of tinfoil |
| 15:45.53 | ls- | if everyone wears tin foil hats, no one does |
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| 16:34.07 | Gnarfoz | ls-: Bobby Kotick is out to get you |
| 16:34.41 | ls- | I have a pack of whiskas for him :p |
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| 17:32.27 | Funkeh` | https://githubengineering.com/crypto-removal-notice/ |
| 17:34.19 | znf | good |
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| 18:45.57 | Primer | haha |
| 18:46.13 | Primer | That TLSv1 thing's been a PCI compliance issue since 2015 |
| 18:46.31 | Primer | and the PCI people still can't enforce it because too much legacy stuff still relies on it |
| 18:46.44 | Primer | They're only going to start enforcing it in June of this year |
| 18:47.28 | Primer | "As noted above, the vast majority of traffic should be unaffected by this change." hahaha I found out the hard way that's not true |
| 18:47.36 | Primer | .net didn't work |
| 18:47.58 | znf | Ouch |
| 18:48.09 | Primer | it simply would not switch protocols |
| 18:48.12 | Primer | it's just die |
| 18:48.24 | znf | Thank fuck I never worked somewhere that required PCI |
| 18:48.26 | Primer | everything built from openssl or gnutls Just Worked(tm) |
| 18:48.39 | Primer | We process (but don't store) CCs |
| 18:48.44 | Primer | So we need it |
| 19:01.28 | znf | Primer: guessing you do it at a high scale |
| 19:01.41 | znf | For small business it's just cheaper to use a processor |
| 19:02.20 | Primer | uhh |
| 19:02.32 | Primer | I never said we didn't use a processor? |
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| 19:19.16 | znf | Primer: uhm? |
| 19:19.54 | Primer | uhm? |
| 19:23.47 | nevcairiel | for tiny websites with payment capabilities, we just route everything through the processor, our servers never see the payment details |
| 19:23.50 | nevcairiel | saves such headaches |
| 19:23.57 | Primer | same here |
| 19:24.06 | Primer | well |
| 19:24.25 | Primer | no, the user interacts with our site, and the backend talks to the processor |
| 19:24.37 | Primer | Leaving the site to pay was not an acceptable solution |
| 19:24.39 | znf | We just send them to the processor |
| 19:24.52 | znf | Biggest online store here does it |
| 19:26.46 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: the link here is broken https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/libbabble-race-3-0 |
| 20:29.26 | Gnarfoz | someone motivate me to migrate my server to some vserver |
| 20:29.36 | Gnarfoz | also, gimme good vserver |
| 20:31.08 | Megalon | migrate your server to vserver you lazy shmuck |
| 20:31.25 | nevcairiel | i've been thinking of doing that to save some money |
| 20:31.29 | nevcairiel | but le lazy |
| 20:32.21 | Gnarfoz | exactly the same here |
| 20:32.35 | nevcairiel | also the hetzner server are very good value already |
| 20:32.47 | Gnarfoz | paying Hetzner a bunch of â¬â¬â¬ every month for stupid old server and extra for some IPs |
| 20:33.04 | Gnarfoz | I'm just not making use of the capacity |
| 20:33.39 | nevcairiel | i can get up to a TB of traffic a month, so would need a vserver with a bit there |
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| 20:33.49 | nevcairiel | and some storage to go with that |
| 20:34.49 | Gnarfoz | not hard to find unlimited traffic, storage... a bit more difficult |
| 20:35.28 | nevcairiel | my web root is 220G right now |
| 20:35.29 | nevcairiel | so yeah |
| 20:35.50 | Gnarfoz | http://serverdiscounter.com/virtual-server/ bottom of page: we're using vmware... features/virtualization: KVM |
| 20:35.52 | Gnarfoz | which is it |
| 20:35.54 | nevcairiel | could probably get rid of some of that |
| 20:36.11 | nevcairiel | hm right 140G of that is a site thats not even online anymore |
| 20:36.20 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 20:36.24 | Gnarfoz | instant savings |
| 20:37.05 | nevcairiel | from that offer there, would probably want the advance or advance pro just for the space already |
| 20:37.10 | nevcairiel | still half the price of hetzner server |
| 20:37.26 | Gnarfoz | yeah I just googled again for vmware vservers, but for obvious reasons, almost nobody offers that |
| 20:37.31 | Gnarfoz | KVM it is |
| 20:37.37 | nevcairiel | also only one ipv6 address? whats that shit? |
| 20:37.38 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:38.02 | nevcairiel | they actually charge you for a /64 |
| 20:39.19 | znf | Gnarfoz, yeah, too expensive to offer vmware to clients |
| 20:39.46 | nevcairiel | in wow related topics, I totally didnt notice that the BfA pre-order page said that it'll release by September 21 2018 or earlier |
| 20:40.06 | Gnarfoz | (it's going to be even earlier than that, hint hint) |
| 20:40.18 | znf | I've looked into the vmware thingie myself |
| 20:40.22 | znf | prohibitive licensing costs |
| 20:40.33 | nevcairiel | sure is a shorter alpha/beta phase |
| 20:40.45 | znf | OpenStack is, well, free :D |
| 20:40.48 | Gnarfoz | depends on what you're doing or how much money you have ;-) |
| 20:41.04 | znf | end users don't really care |
| 20:41.13 | znf | heck, people are still ordering VPS on OpenVZ in 2018 |
| 20:41.13 | Gnarfoz | oh they do, just indirectly |
| 20:41.19 | Gnarfoz | yeah fuck them :p |
| 20:41.27 | Gnarfoz | not everyone's a webhoster |
| 20:42.10 | znf | the end users gains nothing, basically, to try to get vmware over openvz :D |
| 20:42.13 | znf | the end users gains nothing, basically, to try to get vmware over kvm |
| 20:42.14 | znf | my bad |
| 20:42.23 | Gnarfoz | vSphere is great and I'm rather sure I wouldn't want to trade it for some project where every fucking component has a hip joke name and might be discontinued tomorrow :P but yeah, that's enterprise think |
| 20:42.53 | znf | OpenStack is very mature and production ready |
| 20:42.54 | Gnarfoz | KVM itself is pretty great, I don't expect any difference in performance |
| 20:43.08 | znf | It's just that... you have to make it yourself :D |
| 20:43.10 | Gnarfoz | depends on what kind of production you have, I'm sure :P |
| 20:43.16 | Gnarfoz | 3 minutes! |
| 20:44.23 | Megalon | omg are you watching the falcon stream |
| 20:44.29 | Megalon | smoke everywhere, thing is burning! |
| 20:44.41 | Gnarfoz | *steam |
| 20:45.18 | znf | and as a VPS provider these days, if you don't offer managed shit to clients, there's no way in hell you can compete with the 3 giants out there :P |
| 20:45.25 | Megalon | there it goes |
| 20:45.31 | Megalon | it clearly burns at the bottom! |
| 20:45.39 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I was looking at this https://contabo.de/?show=konfigurator&vserver_id=163 since it has a bunch more storage than any of these have when configured with SSD https://www.netcup.de/vserver/#features |
| 20:45.54 | znf | bye tesla |
| 20:46.01 | Gnarfoz | haha, I was not on "live", was a minute behind |
| 20:46.05 | znf | why don't you guys just get stuff from SoYouStart? |
| 20:46.24 | Gnarfoz | because they're re-re-re-rebrand of some shit hoster, AFAIK? |
| 20:46.27 | Megalon | soyous tart? is that a soviet tart? |
| 20:46.44 | Gnarfoz | (thinking of server4you) |
| 20:46.47 | znf | uhm, no |
| 20:46.51 | znf | it's an OVH company |
| 20:46.59 | Gnarfoz | right, so it's ex-ex-ex-kimsufi? :p |
| 20:47.07 | znf | no, kimsufi is another ovh brand |
| 20:47.09 | znf | not resellers... |
| 20:47.10 | Megalon | who burns more $$$/s, the falcon heavy or bitcoin |
| 20:47.18 | Gnarfoz | who said anything about resellers |
| 20:47.24 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: bitcoin |
| 20:47.29 | Megalon | damn |
| 20:47.36 | Megalon | we need a falcon superheavy |
| 20:47.47 | znf | I prefer OVH to hetzner tough :D |
| 20:48.03 | Gnarfoz | why would I pay a frenchman :p |
| 20:48.12 | znf | better hardware |
| 20:48.23 | Gnarfoz | doubtful |
| 20:48.40 | znf | cheaper! |
| 20:49.37 | znf | is there a cam on the roadster? :o |
| 20:49.43 | znf | ( I know this is from the animation ) |
| 20:50.50 | znf | or was that from the actual roadster? |
| 20:51.13 | Gnarfoz | why wouldn't it be from the actual roadster? |
| 20:51.44 | znf | but it is...? |
| 20:52.45 | Gnarfoz | triple landing? |
| 20:53.22 | znf | holy shit they landed |
| 20:53.25 | Megalon | omfg |
| 20:53.28 | znf | whole |
| 20:53.43 | Gnarfoz | now for the core thing |
| 20:54.53 | Megalon | impressive how they faked all of this without stanley kubrick!!! |
| 20:57.30 | znf | this car thing reminds me of that Voyager episode |
| 20:57.35 | znf | where they find an old car flying trough space |
| 21:00.50 | Megalon | :D |
| 21:05.22 | Megalon | now they only need to build the voyage ;< |
| 21:05.25 | Megalon | voyager |
| 21:06.56 | znf | Soon© |
| 21:07.01 | znf | so where's beta |
| 21:07.20 | Gnarfoz | en route to mars |
| 21:07.29 | Gnarfoz | all the beta keys were in the trunk |
| 21:09.51 | Gnarfoz | https://www.theonion.com/white-nationalist-movement-myth-vs-fact-1822762506 |
| 21:16.42 | znf | ol'musky did it again |
| 21:28.35 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: that contabo one looks pretty good, but i've never heard of them :D |
| 21:28.47 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: https://ark.intel.com/compare/83352,92981,123550,91754 2680=netcup, others contabo, I don't think I should be sad about 200 MHz clock speed |
| 21:28.56 | Gnarfoz | yeah I don't remember how I found them |
| 21:29.05 | nevcairiel | netcup i know, but their space is indeed low |
| 21:29.15 | nevcairiel | they also throttle on high bw usage |
| 21:30.47 | Gnarfoz | well, last I checked, even though they deny it, they're still hosted at one of Hetzner's DCs |
| 21:31.05 | nevcairiel | and i dont really do much cpu intensive tasks, what does this thing run, some hosting for LAV (mostly files), quassel, git through ssh, a mail server I would really like to shut down though |
| 21:31.44 | Gnarfoz | (and Hetzner does the same, hence the correlation) |
| 21:32.15 | Gnarfoz | I guess not running my own stuff would be another way of making the server pointless, heh |
| 21:40.40 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (~wig0r@213-157-157-114.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 21:42.33 | znf | weird, one of my clients died |
| 21:42.36 | znf | as in, human |
| 21:43.28 | nevcairiel | in other news, b.net voice chat is pretty good, we used it for some m+ tonight, my only complaint is that "open mic" mode could use a setting for an activcation threshhold |
| 21:43.38 | nevcairiel | also ran m+ again after 6 month or so, was fun again |
| 21:44.11 | nevcairiel | hopefully the voice integrates well into the game client in the future, might be actually decent |
| 21:47.26 | znf | people will still find reasons to use Ventrilo |
| 21:47.27 | znf | >_< |
| 21:47.42 | nevcairiel | i have never used ventrilo, its just not popular in germany |
| 21:47.51 | nevcairiel | we use ts3 |
| 21:49.21 | Gnarfoz | same, too bad their customer service/community managers are shitheads |
| 21:49.44 | nevcairiel | but personally i'm old school, i would probably keep using ts3 for my guild, screw discord and all that newfangled shit :D |
| 21:49.50 | nevcairiel | but alas guild ded |
| 21:52.31 | znf | to be fair, Discord is not that bad |
| 21:52.35 | znf | does TS3 still need a license? |
| 21:53.02 | Gnarfoz | it never did |
| 21:53.09 | Gnarfoz | without one you're just limited in slots |
| 21:53.17 | Gnarfoz | and yes, that's still the case |
| 21:53.28 | nevcairiel | yeah 32 slots, which is fine for many guilds really |
| 21:53.35 | Gnarfoz | which is the only reason they still have a business, and the leisure to not try and "be first" on anything |
| 21:55.21 | znf | new kids on the block are better! |
| 21:55.31 | znf | oh, look at that, Carbonite increased their price |
| 21:56.01 | nevcairiel | how does discord make money anyway, do they splat ads around |
| 21:56.12 | znf | they have a premium subscription |
| 21:56.14 | nevcairiel | or the classic way of selling your metadata? |
| 21:56.26 | Gnarfoz | they don't, so... investors + you are the product |
| 21:56.37 | nevcairiel | so selling data it is |
| 21:56.38 | znf | https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000435108 |
| 21:56.40 | Gnarfoz | + premium, doubt that they're breaking even, given their popularity |
| 21:57.07 | nevcairiel | the premium benefits dont seem like something many people would pay for |
| 21:57.09 | nevcairiel | its just fluff |
| 21:57.50 | znf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBr2kKAHN6M&feature=youtu.be |
| 21:57.54 | znf | beautiful to see the reflection |
| 21:58.24 | Gnarfoz | in today's age, tying that to tangible benefits would probably result in some shitstorm about how they sold out and people need to move on to $nextThing |
| 21:58.37 | znf | pretty much |
| 21:58.48 | nevcairiel | how do people think such companies make money |
| 21:58.55 | Gnarfoz | people... think? |
| 21:59.00 | Gnarfoz | I think you got off on the wrong foot there |
| 21:59.52 | Gnarfoz | is that the ISS there |
| 21:59.54 | nevcairiel | but that sure sounds like discord is trying to get as many people as possible befoire they sell to facebook |
| 22:00.32 | Gnarfoz | pretty sure that was the ISS :D |
| 22:00.45 | Gnarfoz | and yeah, startup business model in a nutshell |
| 22:04.50 | znf | discord is like IRC on steroids with useless extra graphics and voice |
| 22:04.51 | znf | :D |
| 22:05.38 | silentium | and uses like half a GB of RAM ;) |
| 22:06.07 | znf | only that? |
| 22:06.10 | znf | I never checked |
| 22:06.24 | silentium | me neither, just guessing |
| 22:06.46 | znf | more like 150MB |
| 22:06.49 | znf | which is very surprising |
| 22:07.11 | znf | considering it's just electron or some chrome wrapper, afaik? |
| 22:08.52 | nevcairiel | as with all browser shit, it greatly depends on how long you had it running |
| 22:10.08 | znf | uhm, days? |
| 22:10.12 | znf | literally days |
| 22:10.14 | Stanzilla | I love discord |
| 22:10.17 | Gnarfoz | Discord is pretty good in that regard |
| 22:10.19 | Stanzilla | it's so good compared to everything else |
| 22:10.35 | Gnarfoz | if you put Slack next to it, it's ridiculous |
| 22:10.40 | Stanzilla | yea |
| 22:10.52 | znf | I was actually under the impression it would have been using 2GB+ of memory |
| 22:10.55 | Gnarfoz | oh hey, the moon int he background :D |
| 22:10.58 | znf | especially since I'm on about 10 servers |
| 22:11.12 | nevcairiel | i s ee no moon |
| 22:11.36 | silentium | "that's no moon, it's a space station"? ;) |
| 22:11.45 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/vJ6DE6E.png |
| 22:11.46 | nevcairiel | its neither, i only see black |
| 22:11.57 | znf | other side now |
| 22:12.07 | nevcairiel | oh it crossed behind the car right now |
| 22:12.27 | Gnarfoz | guess I'm ahead a few seconds |
| 22:12.42 | silentium | I just saw it leave the image in the lower right corner |
| 22:12.51 | nevcairiel | whats with the engine shot all the time anyway |
| 22:13.27 | Megalon | perhaps the views are on a set rotation |
| 22:14.07 | znf | now this is a nice view with the earth :) |
| 22:14.16 | znf | queue "earth is flat" people |
| 22:14.17 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that's the upper stage engine |
| 22:14.36 | znf | but I was under the impression that also detaches? |
| 22:14.40 | Gnarfoz | it does |
| 22:14.42 | znf | I really tought they'd launch only the car |
| 22:14.42 | Gnarfoz | it's not near the car |
| 22:14.45 | Megalon | can't wait for the helm to move |
| 22:14.45 | znf | oh? |
| 22:14.52 | Gnarfoz | on its way through the van allen radiation belts, after which they'll try to re-ignite it a final time for boost to mars |
| 22:15.02 | Gnarfoz | (in a couple of hours, I think) |
| 22:15.02 | znf | ah, I see |
| 22:15.29 | silentium | the car is sitting on top of stage 2 which is currently in an orbit around the earth, but will boost again later to get into its final orbit |
| 22:15.33 | Gnarfoz | (engine re-ignition, even multiple times, is one of the big issues with multi-stage rockets) |
| 22:15.54 | Gnarfoz | that's not correct, AFAIK. |
| 22:16.19 | Gnarfoz | (or maybe it is!) |
| 22:16.34 | Gnarfoz | would also explain why they still have working video of stage 2 engine |
| 22:16.44 | Gnarfoz | where's the mission profile link |
| 22:16.47 | znf | so, here's a question |
| 22:17.19 | znf | how does the live video stuff work in regards to the speed of light as it goes further away from earth? |
| 22:17.28 | Gnarfoz | it'll not be live anymore. |
| 22:17.29 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 22:17.41 | silentium | the latency will go up continuously |
| 22:17.47 | Gnarfoz | same as it has been for decades |
| 22:17.54 | znf | obviously |
| 22:18.00 | Gnarfoz | https://spaceflight101.com/falcon-heavy-demo/wp-content/uploads/sites/206/2018/02/DVXbp4NUMAAdXcA.jpg has "payload separation" |
| 22:18.01 | znf | but what will happen to the data-stream in real-time? |
| 22:18.12 | silentium | just like a signal from voyager 1 and 2 takes over 17 hours to reach earth |
| 22:18.13 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure they're even going for live video after leaving orbit |
| 22:18.32 | znf | I'm pretty sure that they won't do it, ofc |
| 22:18.38 | Gnarfoz | and I don't really understand the question - it'll just take longer and longer to get here |
| 22:18.46 | znf | I'm just wondering what will happen with the data stream |
| 22:18.46 | Gnarfoz | imagine a rubber band being stretched |
| 22:18.51 | silentium | znf: the signal will be affected by red-shift, literally |
| 22:18.55 | znf | red-shift? |
| 22:19.02 | silentium | (only slightly though) |
| 22:19.18 | znf | I'm not sure how to properly explain it tough, I lack the required technical stuff |
| 22:19.30 | Gnarfoz | just imagine a sine wave that gets streched longer and longer |
| 22:19.43 | Gnarfoz | close enough ;) |
| 22:20.06 | nevcairiel | with a live stream you wont really notice though, as it moves away from earth we'll receive data slightly slower then realtime, increasing the time offset gradually |
| 22:20.58 | znf | see? nevcairiel gets it :P |
| 22:21.17 | Gnarfoz | your question phrasing skills could use some red-shift |
| 22:21.44 | Gnarfoz | "The Falcon Heavy is supposed to put the car (as well as the passenger, presumably) into an orbit around the Sun known as a Hohmann transfer orbit." that only works if silentium is right, so, I guess that's that ^^ |
| 22:22.12 | nevcairiel | we're all in an orbit around the sun right now |
| 22:22.49 | Gnarfoz | almost everything in the solar system is! :D |
| 22:22.56 | znf | pft, bullshit |
| 22:22.57 | Gnarfoz | https://imgur.com/a/ScEnW great shots |
| 22:22.59 | nevcairiel | but to really claim to be in an orbit around the sun, they would have to escape from earths gravity well |
| 22:23.00 | znf | everything revolves around earth! |
| 22:23.09 | Gnarfoz | which they're doing/going for |
| 22:23.22 | znf | DON'T PANIC |
| 22:23.36 | znf | I like how they made it hold the wheel |
| 22:23.55 | znf | in how much time will the car degrade? (the non metal parts) |
| 22:23.57 | Gnarfoz | nothing is impossible with enough hot glue |
| 22:24.09 | znf | I'm guessing the plastic will be cooked in a few months due to solar radiation |
| 22:24.44 | Gnarfoz | question 1: which of the processes you expect to happen happen outside our atmosphere |
| 22:24.59 | nevcairiel | maybe they put strong UV shields on the windows |
| 22:25.21 | znf | I happen happen, Gnarfoz |
| 22:25.22 | Gnarfoz | (question 2: at -200whatever degrees C) |
| 22:25.28 | Gnarfoz | hmm lecker Happen |
| 22:25.47 | *** join/#wowace silentium (~silentium@unaffiliated/silentium) |
| 22:25.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure it's not going to last forever, metal or no metal ^^ |
| 22:28.02 | Stanzilla | afaik they removed all the plastic |
| 22:28.13 | Gnarfoz | you can see the plastic right there in the stream |
| 22:28.22 | Stanzilla | ¯_(ã)_/¯ |
| 22:28.23 | silentium | damn cat, just tripped over the switch of the power strip powering my server -_- |
| 22:28.41 | znf | #1908231031 reason to never get a power strip with a switch |
| 22:28.47 | nevcairiel | or a cat |
| 22:28.50 | Gnarfoz | ! |
| 22:29.02 | znf | I never found myself saying "oh, damn, good thing this power strip has a switch!" |
| 22:29.14 | silentium | yeah, getting a power strip without switch is now on my TODO list |
| 22:29.17 | nevcairiel | i have switches on the power strips for my tv and related stuff |
| 22:29.23 | nevcairiel | so i can just turn it off when i go on vacation |
| 22:29.31 | znf | I never turn them off |
| 22:29.44 | nevcairiel | dont need my power amp running when i'm out =p |
| 22:30.12 | silentium | it was the only power strip I had readily at hand when I moved in here and set up the server, so ⦠|
| 22:30.14 | Gnarfoz | I just pull the related breakers |
| 22:30.20 | nevcairiel | hey Gnarfoz did you build your own mechanical keyboard yet? |
| 22:30.51 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the only one where that would have been a possibility (the ortholinear, Planck), I bought pre-assembled |
| 22:31.08 | nevcairiel | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd4T78x6Zhc just had to think of you =p |
| 22:31.26 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 22:32.10 | Gnarfoz | I've read plenty of buildlogs, from "designed my own PCB (or even controller)" to "I put switches in this board with removable switches" ^^ |
| 22:33.04 | znf | crazy people :D |
| 22:43.03 | Gnarfoz | stage 2 feed ded |
| 22:43.52 | nevcairiel | met up with the main core, going to mars on the downlow |
| 22:45.09 | Gnarfoz | starting a family |
| 22:45.13 | znf | is it lit? |
| 22:45.13 | Gnarfoz | (it's back) |
| 22:45.16 | znf | ? |
| 22:45.24 | Gnarfoz | znf: so lit, fam |
| 22:45.40 | Gnarfoz | (no it's not, that's not for another couple of hours, IIRC) |
| 22:45.44 | znf | :( |
| 22:46.00 | nevcairiel | the window seems to have collected some dirt |
| 22:47.13 | Gnarfoz | https://imgur.com/a/H9yDj#CVKCyKH 3rd and 4th image suggest empty barge |
| 22:51.05 | *** join/#wowace Ressy (~Ressy@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
| 22:52.23 | znf | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5352397/German-police-group-calls-decriminalizing-cannabis.html |
| 22:52.24 | znf | cool |
| 22:52.34 | Funkeh` | omg he dropped a key |
| 22:52.50 | Funkeh` | he continues his butterfingers reputation |
| 22:58.27 | znf | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2455628.0 |
| 23:07.55 | Funkeh` | where do i sign up |
| 23:10.49 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=register |
