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| 02:06.41 | znf | Stanzilla, you awake? |
| 02:06.53 | znf | I found a way to crash Chrome and I need a confirmation |
| 02:13.48 | quiescens | don't do it |
| 02:16.31 | znf | ah, actually... just pressing Ctrl+P crashes it |
| 02:17.10 | quiescens | i feel like if that crashed all chromes someone would have noticed o.o |
| 02:21.04 | znf | quiescens, I'm on dev tough |
| 02:21.16 | quiescens | whys |
| 02:22.01 | znf | because I like crashes! |
| 02:22.11 | quiescens | gives znf a cookie |
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| 06:25.15 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 12:52.14 | Gnarfoz | znf: https://www.amazon.de/s/&field-keywords=stuhlrollen& ? |
| 12:53.07 | znf | thx |
| 16:09.51 | Gnarfoz | znf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgjYsacmdkA -_- |
| 16:12.11 | quiescens | /pat Gnarfoz |
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| 16:53.48 | znf | Gnarfoz, yeah, good! many alerts! |
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| 17:02.35 | Gnarfoz | also results in not noticing that our licence expired in december :P |
| 17:02.55 | Gnarfoz | well, our support; vcenter claims the licences themselves don't expire |
| 17:03.00 | Gnarfoz | guess I'd have noticed that :P |
| 17:25.22 | Phixion | :) |
| 17:25.26 | Phixion | classic |
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| 17:32.05 | Gnarfoz | curiously, I can see in my account a key/contract that has the ELA flag |
| 17:32.24 | Gnarfoz | which means corporate must have an ELA |
| 17:32.33 | Gnarfoz | which means... why the hell are we paying regular prices |
| 17:51.22 | Gnarfoz | znf: also, did it occur to you to RTFM https://www.raritan.com/support/product/dominion-kx-ii |
| 17:51.39 | Gnarfoz | http://support.raritan.com/dominion-kx-ii/version-2.6.0/QSG-DKX2-v2.6.0-0O-E.pdf "KX II uses standard UTP cabling (Cat5/5e/6) to connect to each target server." |
| 17:51.48 | znf | The adapter... |
| 17:52.32 | Gnarfoz | u wot m8? |
| 17:52.37 | Gnarfoz | (also, more easily, https://help.raritan.com/kx-ii/v2.7.0/en/index.htm#10785) |
| 17:53.35 | Gnarfoz | you linked a switch, and asked about "standard cables", yes it does. did you mean to ask something different? |
| 17:55.00 | znf | it's a kvm ip/switch? |
| 17:55.13 | Gnarfoz | is that a question? |
| 17:55.18 | znf | and it has rj45 ports on one side |
| 17:55.30 | znf | the other side (the server) is an adapter that splits into usb and vga |
| 17:55.39 | Gnarfoz | sure, yeah |
| 17:55.47 | Gnarfoz | http://www.raritan.com/products/kvm-serial/accessories/computer-interface-modules these |
| 17:55.48 | znf | yeah, that's the part I want/care |
| 17:56.42 | znf | why does one have 1 x USB, the other has 2 x USB? |
| 17:56.57 | znf | any ideas? |
| 17:57.59 | Gnarfoz | because... options? |
| 17:58.00 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:58.08 | Gnarfoz | no idea, one is older than the other? |
| 17:58.27 | znf | I see they're all compatible with KX II |
| 17:58.28 | znf | even the DP ones |
| 17:58.29 | Megalon | that's deep |
| 17:58.39 | Gnarfoz | https://help.raritan.com/kx-ii/v2.7.0/en/index.htm#24373 |
| 17:58.43 | znf | I wonder if there's some active crap there |
| 17:58.53 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 17:59.04 | Gnarfoz | how else do you expect this to work :D |
| 17:59.18 | znf | passive? ^^ |
| 17:59.35 | Gnarfoz | uhm... how? |
| 17:59.35 | znf | I wanna buy one of those |
| 17:59.45 | znf | but the damn adapters are more expensive than the actual switch :D |
| 18:00.12 | Gnarfoz | as usual. see also: printers+ink, copiers+toner, etc |
| 18:00.38 | Gnarfoz | if there was some standardized way of passively transferring K/V/M over just 8 wires over long distances, I'm sure we'd all be using it |
| 18:00.48 | Gnarfoz | alas, there isn't, so obviously the dongles contain electronics :p |
| 18:01.00 | znf | probably there's no way they're compatible with other manufacturers |
| 18:01.10 | Gnarfoz | doubtful. |
| 18:01.24 | Gnarfoz | I could dig up some old Avocent dongles and see if they work on our DKX III |
| 18:01.32 | Gnarfoz | (or do the reverse) |
| 18:02.29 | Gnarfoz | but apart from the obvious technical hurdles that would make this unlikely, it'd be like Canon not being dicks and using crypto on their ink cartridges, to prevent you from refilling them/using cheaper ones |
| 18:02.41 | Gnarfoz | perhaps older dongles need more than 500 mA, so they need 2 USB ;-) |
| 18:04.41 | znf | you think it's usb powered? |
| 18:06.05 | Gnarfoz | it's not pixie dust powered, that's for sure |
| 18:07.15 | znf | I was thinking it's most likely powered by the kvm switch |
| 18:08.20 | Gnarfoz | poe? you bet there'd be cable length restrictions pointed out then |
| 18:08.28 | znf | I think there are? |
| 18:08.33 | znf | I read something about 30M |
| 18:08.45 | Gnarfoz | also, the entire DKX3 lineup has the same PSU: 60W |
| 18:08.52 | Gnarfoz | even our 64-port one |
| 18:09.15 | Gnarfoz | I mean, ok, if each dongle consumes, say, 500 mW, that'd fit |
| 18:09.51 | Gnarfoz | but 500 mW / 5V is just 100 mA, so why not power from USB :D |
| 18:09.51 | znf | they don't need much, yeah |
| 18:10.04 | Gnarfoz | I guess the obvious answer to that is |
| 18:10.10 | znf | uhm... |
| 18:10.14 | Gnarfoz | because then it doesn't work if the computer is not powered |
| 18:10.18 | znf | yes... :D |
| 18:10.30 | Gnarfoz | not that a KVM dongle does much in that situation (read: nothing) |
| 18:10.42 | znf | wake up from keyboard? ;-) |
| 18:10.43 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, that'd be annoying because you couldn't configure them and they'd "disappear" |
| 18:11.03 | Gnarfoz | if it is able to wake from keyboard (which is usb, probably) |
| 18:11.07 | Gnarfoz | then it can also power the dongle |
| 18:11.11 | Gnarfoz | so... bad example :P |
| 18:11.15 | znf | good point |
| 18:11.18 | znf | really no idea |
| 18:11.40 | Gnarfoz | anyway, http://support.raritan.com/dominion-kx-ii/version-2.5.0/cim-guide/dominion-kx_ii-cim-guide-v10.pdf suggests that some features are only available on the dual port ones |
| 18:11.56 | Gnarfoz | virtual media at the BIOS level, for audio, tiering and/or Smart Cards, including the US Governmentâs Common Access Cards (CAC). |
| 18:12.16 | Gnarfoz | so they probably have to split that shit up across more USB devices or something |
| 18:12.27 | Gnarfoz | beats me |
| 18:12.52 | znf | Advanced KVM features such as virtual media rely on the power of the USB protocol. |
| 18:13.12 | Gnarfoz | The D2CIM-DVUSB has two USB plugs, one for keyboard/mouse and one for virtual media. This enables many additional server BIOS to access virtual media drives. The black connector on the DVUSB CIM is used for keyboard and mouse. The gray connector is used for virtual media. |
| 18:13.16 | znf | mkay |
| 18:13.20 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 18:13.27 | Gnarfoz | they're probably running the keyboard one at usb 1.1 |
| 18:13.30 | Gnarfoz | low speed |
| 18:13.37 | Gnarfoz | craptacular spec |
| 18:13.38 | Gnarfoz | etc |
| 18:13.49 | Gnarfoz | to ensure high compatibility |
| 18:13.52 | znf | yeah |
| 18:13.58 | znf | not like a keyboard needs usb 3.0... |
| 18:14.12 | Gnarfoz | well, actually *puts on nerd hat* |
| 18:14.27 | znf | yes, your keyboards need it |
| 18:14.33 | znf | I don't for sending data to a terminal :P |
| 18:14.37 | Gnarfoz | hardly |
| 18:14.39 | Megalon | *foz keyboard has 104 keys and 1040 leds |
| 18:14.43 | Megalon | usb 3.0 indeed |
| 18:14.54 | Gnarfoz | doesn't USB3 offer something like an interrupt mode |
| 18:15.08 | Gnarfoz | which would lead to parity with ps/2 |
| 18:15.10 | znf | soon they'll make USB-PD compliant keyboards, just so they power the led array |
| 18:15.32 | Gnarfoz | or so you can plug your chargeable device into your keyboard, instead of crawling behind your computer? ;) |
| 18:15.50 | znf | ...wish fucking monitors would support that |
| 18:15.53 | znf | OVER DISPLAY PORT |
| 18:15.57 | znf | we've had this conversation |
| 18:16.33 | znf | I dream of the day we'll be able to power our monitor and send video trough DP with just 1 cable! |
| 18:16.37 | znf | ...and USB |
| 18:16.49 | Gnarfoz | and coffee |
| 18:16.57 | Gnarfoz | https://stackoverflow.com/a/26918988/687704 cites no sources at all but that's probably what I meant |
| 18:18.17 | znf | wait, really? usb3 is ptp? |
| 18:18.42 | Gnarfoz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_3.0 be my guest, these are long |
| 18:19.15 | znf | no |
| 18:19.28 | znf | not going down that road |
| 18:49.24 | znf | Gnarfoz, I have the best windows edition |
| 18:49.26 | znf | Windows.10.RS3.Dragonball.Super.Edition.2018-NoGrp |
| 18:50.37 | nebula | not even thesuper saiyan edition, smh |
| 18:51.05 | Megalon | indeed |
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