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00:16.58znfDoes SLI need those silly little adapters between them these days or it's done just via PCIe?
00:40.50Stanzillanevcairiel: any experience with that stuff https://www.amazon.de/Ligawo-6518770-Multiformat-Konverter-Mehrkanal/dp/B015XQ1O00 ?
01:00.12quiescenso.o
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08:49.55nevcairielnot really Stanzilla
09:14.41quiescensmoo
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09:32.04Stanzillamkay
09:32.27Stanzillalooking for something to hook up my analog soundsystem to a bluray player
09:32.34Stanzilla(that has HDMI audio out)
09:51.13nevcairielthe usual way of doing that is getting an AV Receiver =p
09:55.23quiescensjust stickytape them together
09:55.25quiescensnodnod
10:00.20Stanzillayeah well av receivers are pretty expensive
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12:25.11Gnarfozznf: was this you https://twitter.com/4nc4p/status/934384870025023490
12:25.23znflol
12:25.33znfthat is brilliant
12:28.56znf>xau 1 btc to usd
12:28.57Catal1na1.00 BTC == 9615.38 USD
12:29.00znf:o
12:29.04znfgetting in to 10k
12:32.39StanzillaTIL `git update` is a thing
12:36.10znfsince when?
12:37.59Stanzillaidk
12:38.33Gnarfozmust be an alias for something
12:38.37Gnarfozhttps://git-scm.com/docs/git doesn't mention it
12:38.54Stanzillait's a git for windows feature
12:42.26Stanzillahttps://github.com/git-for-windows/build-extra/pull/151
12:42.35quiescensnerf Stanzilla
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14:28.35GnarfozYou have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MariaDB server version for the right syntax to use near '?' at line 1
14:28.41Gnarfozplease, don't be useful
14:28.43Gnarfoz:|
14:28.50nevcairielplease, learn SQL
14:28.50nevcairiel:D
14:29.31GnarfozI know SQL, that error message isn't helpful, though
14:29.50Gnarfozin other news, why does this not inspire confidence? https://www.moddiy.com/products/Premium-Single-Braid-Sleeved-5%252din%252d1-SATA-Extension-Cable-%28Black%7B47%7DRed%29.html :D
14:30.30Gnarfoz5 times the amount of power through those tiny SATA power connectors? seems like a fire hazard
14:30.47nevcairielhonestly the sata connector is rated for quite a bit of power
14:30.58nevcairielso unless you connect devices with a lot of draw
14:32.50Gnarfozis it? didn't we recently establish it only has that many pins because the cross-section of a single pin is so tiny that they had to spread it over multiple? :D
14:32.58nevcairielsure
14:34.30Gnarfoz"Each pin should be able to carry 1.5 A." says Wikipedia
14:35.12Gnarfozthat's 7.5W @ 5V... that's enough for 1 HDD
14:35.28Gnarfoz(depends on what voltage their primary power draw is on, of course)
14:35.34nevcairielits also 54W at 12V
14:35.40nevcairielthats a couple hdds
14:36.39Gnarfozalso, my bad, those 7.5 are for only 1 pin
14:36.41nevcairiel(well 54W over all 3 12v pins)
14:36.54Gnarfozso 22.5W @ 5V
14:37.08Gnarfozdoes still seem a bit much to put 5 HDDs on that
14:37.23nevcairielan SSD will use under 5W
14:37.39nevcairielif thats split at all over the 3 voltages, it should be fine
14:38.03Gnarfozbarely anything uses 3.3
14:38.05Gnarfozbut: HDDs
14:38.07Gnarfozwtf is a Seagate Exos
14:38.21Gnarfozguess they rebranded
14:38.55quiescenso.o
14:39.11Gnarfoz8TB Seagate Archive v3 (hmm?) is specified with 2A on spinup
14:39.19Timmehthrows quiescens a cookie
14:39.20Gnarfozthough they don't say on which voltage rail :|
14:39.26nevcairielnever do
14:39.26quiescens\o/ cookie
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15:00.15Gnarfozhttp://www.45drives.com/wiki/index.php?title=Start_up_Power_Draw helpful
15:00.44Gnarfozmostly 12V
15:01.04quiescensiuno how often those connectors actually fail from overload rather than just short circuiting from bad manufacture
15:01.32quiescens(bad manufacture coupled with being plugged into something that contains a number of discs spinning 12000 times a minute)
15:02.52Gnarfozwho has 12k rpm drives?
15:03.29Gnarfozalso, short circuiting due to bad manufacture is the next step after softening of cheap materials because of overheating because over overloading ;)
15:03.33quiescensshrug, i just picked one of the possible rpm numbers
15:03.49Gnarfozmy point: I've never seen 12k rpm drives :P
15:05.35quiescensthere's even 15000 o.o
15:05.49Gnarfozyes, but not 12 ;)
15:06.30Gnarfoz<various crap>, 7.2, 10, 15... although I guess there might be models with dynamic rpm in the higher end as well
15:12.00Gnarfozhttp://45drives.blogspot.de/2015/06/staggered-spinup-and-its-effect-on.html guess I should start paying attention to buying drives that support power-up in standby
15:13.10quiescensshrug, 12000 was definitely there for a while
15:15.02quiescenseveryone just uses low speed drives for storage and ssd for everything else these days anyway
15:19.49znfhttps://i.imgur.com/XxlQyZd.png
15:19.52znfsomething's not right
15:20.29znf>wolf 938592 hours to years
15:20.33Catal1naInput: convert 938592 hours to years
15:20.34Catal1naResult: 107.1 years
15:20.53quiescensi mean, that probably does count as old age
15:21.13Gnarfozquiescens: not really true
15:21.47znfbut no, seriously, what's up with the power on hours?
15:22.54quiescenspower on hours is often not an actual number = actual hours
15:23.49Gnarfozmore like: your software is interpreting the number wrong because SMART data is vendor-defined
15:23.50nevcairielit says power on time, might as well be minutes or some other time keeping unit
15:24.19Gnarfoz>wolf 938592 minutes to years
15:24.26Catal1naInput: convert 938592 minutes to years
15:24.27Catal1naResult: 1.786 years
15:24.32znfPower_On_Hours_and_Msec is what it says
15:24.35znfhours and msec
15:25.00znfah
15:25.02znf<PROTECTED>
15:26.31quiescensa little from column a.. b, c and d
15:26.35znfyeah
15:26.42quiescensbecause all those answers have happened, and can happen
15:26.55quiescensthere are definitely some drives that list it as minutes
15:27.11quiescensa bug is obviously always a possibility, etc
15:27.24znf<PROTECTED>
15:27.57znf>wolf 9385 hours to years
15:28.00Catal1naInput: convert 9385 hours to years
15:28.01Catal1naResult: 1.071 years
15:28.08znfmeh
15:28.11quiescens....
15:28.46quiescensthe first 4 bytes tends not to mean the first 4 digits of a number
15:28.53quiescensunless you like storing numbers as a string
15:28.56znfI know!
15:29.02znfbut I don't know what format that is
15:29.41Stanzillaworgen form
15:29.46Stanzillaat
15:30.16nevcairielznf: you would need the actual raw value without formatting
15:32.33znf*nod* I have no idea how to get it, smartctl man page is very long
16:02.45Fiskerman pages are*
16:02.57Fiskersilly znf
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16:22.05znfShit.
16:22.13znfmy HBA card is too old
16:22.16znfdoesn't handle 3TB drives
16:22.20znffuck
16:29.32znfnevcairiel: when a SAS controller says 6Gbps, does that mean 6Gbps per sata port or per sas port?
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16:41.45Gnarfozif it's actually an HBA, I'm not sure why it would need to need special handling for 3TB?
16:42.39GnarfozI guess 3TB falls under ">2TB" if that's what you meant, but still... shouldn't that be a driver thing for a passthrough-hba?
16:51.47znfshoudl
16:52.07Stanzillaznf: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/release-notes?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396#build-17046
16:52.12StanzillaAllow processes to run without an active terminal. [GH 709, 1007, 1511, 2252, 2391, et al.]
16:52.27znfAllow processes to run without an active terminal. [GH 709, 1007, 1511, 2252, 2391, et al.]
16:52.28znfnice
16:52.28znfyes
17:15.17znfFunkeh`: what was that web torrent download in the browser thing?
17:15.31znf>url last --from Funkeh` --with .io
17:15.32Catal1naNo URLs matched that criteria.
17:15.35znfshit :-/
17:15.40znf>url last --from Funkeh` --with load
17:15.42Catal1nahttp://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/15/bootloader-unlocking-appears-disabled-pixel-2-phones-purchased-02g04o08o02g03l04e/
17:15.46znf>url last --from Funkeh` --with load --nolimit
17:15.47Catal1na<http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/15/bootloader-unlocking-appears-disabled-pixel-2-phones-purchased-02g04o08o02g03l04e/>
17:16.23znffound it
17:16.25znfinstant.io
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17:29.04quiescensgo to sleep znf
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17:45.04znfwhat are the chances 3 disks (same model) would throw a LBA error at the same sector?
17:45.20znf(while taking into account that smartctl says that there's a firmware update for the drive)
17:47.26Stanzilla1.1834525%
17:57.29Stanzillahttps://twitter.com/wildeyeq/status/935120437734006784
17:57.30Stanzilla:D
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18:27.34MantisisHello
18:30.58Mantisisi encounter a weird issue while porting my addon on ace3, can someone guide me ?
18:48.19znf[10931.084688] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Sense Key : Data Protect [current]
18:48.19znf[10931.084691] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Add. Sense: Logical unit access not authorized
18:48.20znfthe fuck is this
18:48.55winkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_unit_number ? :D
18:48.58winkWHAT YEAR IS IT
18:49.31winkI bet you forgot to set the jumper correctly on your 20 year old SCSI drive
18:49.32winkadmit it
18:49.40znfit's a 3TB drive
18:50.02znfit's not old and doesn't have a damn jumper
18:51.41znfI think it's password locked
18:51.41znfO.o
19:11.48Megalon:)
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19:33.52znfnevcairiel: how do you change the OP on Samsung SSDs?
19:33.55znfwithout windows?
19:34.25Gnarfozsame as with any other ssd: don't allocate 100% of the disk to partitions
19:36.06znfI can't do that
19:36.10znfslapping zfs on them
19:36.24nevcairielzfs is a file system, partitions are below that =p
19:36.25Gnarfozwhy?
19:36.28Gnarfoz^
19:37.12znfusually you use zfs on whole disk
19:37.15znfbetter than to partition it
19:37.18Gnarfoz"usually"
19:37.19Gnarfoznot better
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19:37.43Gnarfozjust like the stupid RAM recommendations made up by freenas fans
19:38.16znfthis retarded sata controller doesn't want to rescan drives
19:38.45znfI have to reboot like a neanderthal
19:39.33znfdoing echo "- - -" doesn't seem to be getting any new drives
19:42.13Gnarfozthat's a scsi feature, not sure sata does that
19:43.15winkthe plot thickens!
19:44.25znfthe scsi bus is used for sata
19:44.37znfresetting ../host0 re-detects my primary hdd
19:44.48znfTry this to rescan the SCSI hosts (each SATA port appears as a SCSI bus):
19:45.57znfobviously, the "enterprise" utility doesn't work with the desktop drives, figures
19:47.37znftries to use Wine
19:47.39znfas if...
19:48.47Gnarfozthe utility isn't going to do anything else, btw
19:49.34znfhmmm?
19:49.53nevcairielat least the samsung utility on windows just shrinks the partition
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19:50.01znfoh... :-/
19:51.02znfah!
19:51.08znfyou can do it with hdparm
19:51.44znfit needs to pass the flag:
19:51.45znf--yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing
19:52.01nevcairielwhich you clearly dont
19:52.12znf#yolo
19:52.25Kesavaugh I have to restart znc again ugh
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19:55.01Gnarfozwhat do you pretend you know you're doing?
19:55.16znfhttps://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/SSD_Over-provisioning_using_hdparm
20:00.00GnarfozUse of -Nnnnnn is VERY DANGEROUS.
20:00.00Gnarfoz:D
20:00.05Gnarfozbut: it still does the same thing
20:00.15Gnarfozit stops the OS from writing after a certain LBA
20:00.17znfit doesn't?
20:00.21Gnarfozyes it does
20:00.31znfthe OS won't detect the full capacity of the drive
20:00.35Gnarfozso?
20:00.45Gnarfozpartitioning it prevents writes to the area that's not partitioned as well
20:01.16Gnarfozbut I guess it's more compatible with your zfs neuro^W habits
20:02.10znfnot sure how 1000215216 translates to 512GB
20:02.19znf>math calc 1000215216/512
20:02.20Catal1na1953545.34375
20:06.36winkhdparm -a ham
20:06.38winkomnomnom
20:07.51znfmeh
20:08.10znfit just disables HBA :(
20:08.44znfhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Ef9s6IsO/
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20:50.33Gnarfozeither you didn't paste all of what you did or
20:50.41Gnarfozyou didn't read the wiki page
20:52.07znfGnarfoz: I secure erased, I changed the HBA, I made sure ignore_hba is 0, I even unplugged the disk, plugged it back in, rescanned (apparently if it boots with it detected, you can rescan in); hdparm sees HBA enabled and the lower size
20:52.29znfbut after creating a new partition label, it's going back to HBA disabled
20:53.28znfOh.
20:53.36znfYou need to pass -Np
20:53.37znfdamn
20:59.08GnarfozI feel rubbery
20:59.15Gnarfozquacks
21:00.01GnarfozI hate programs that use syntax like that
21:00.06Gnarfoz-Np12345 instead of -Np 12345
21:00.20Gnarfozthey are far and few between, but why do people even do that
21:04.21znfI hate having to fit 2.5" SSDs in 3.5" server bays
21:05.14znf...and there have to be like 10239012831 types of screws
21:07.46znfaaaaand this thing doesn't fit
21:08.18Gnarfozjust tape it in #yolo
21:09.39znfsliding the cage in the bay misses the connector by aproximatively 1mm
21:09.40znf:-|
21:10.59znfI also have these things
21:11.01znfhttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CucfWBQR/20171127_231024.jpg
21:11.11znfbut this one is a bit banged up, and I have exactly 4
21:31.34GnarfozThese instances are designed for compute-heavy applications like batch processing, distributed analytics, high-performance computing (HPC), ad serving, highly scalable multiplayer gaming, and video encoding.
21:31.38Gnarfozone thing is not like the other
21:31.57znfsounds microsoft-ish?
21:32.17GnarfozAWS
21:32.25Gnarfozc5
21:32.40Gnarfozwhy the hell is "ad serving" in that list
21:32.53znfintensive!
21:34.00Gnarfozthey're probably using nodejs and phantomjs or something to render the js locally and then transmit the frames as uncompressed tgas to the clients
21:34.10Gnarfozor live-encoding them has HEVC
21:34.13Gnarfoz*as
21:34.23znfnodejs hipsters
21:35.08znfyay
21:35.13znfI put all the SSDs in the chasis
21:35.34znfnow to label serials...
21:46.14Gnarfozhttps://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-9700k-9th-gen-8-cores-16-threads-rumor/ hmm
21:46.38nevcairieldont read the worst tech site on the web
21:47.04Gnarfozit's like BILD
21:47.07Gnarfozyou can't look away xD
21:47.33Gnarfozanyhow, I only bought my current CPU what, last year? suddenly double the # cores!
21:47.59nevcairielmight be nice to be able to go consumer again in a few years and still have 8 cores
21:48.07harlsurprise cores
21:48.44Gnarfoz(ironically, I could have probably used the previous CPU for even longer as well... from "core" gen 2 (sandy bridge) to whatever my 6700K is, no change in core count at all. it did feel kind of terrible)
21:49.49harlyou probably could have
21:50.49nevcairielmost enthusiasts dont buy hardware they need :p
21:51.07Gnarfozwait what
21:51.17Gnarfozare you saying I don't need all of these keyboards?
21:51.24MegalonYOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT I NEED
21:51.26MegalonSTOP OPPRESSING ME
21:54.58znfI need more SSDs
21:55.08znfapparently I'm gonna have 8 in this system \o/
21:59.46Gnarfozstill kind of amazed how much work MS is putting into WSL (see stan's link above)
22:00.40Gnarfozprevious decades' experience would have fueled rather pessimist expectations
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22:13.51Stanzillayeah
22:18.15znfGnarfoz: have you turned Glonet on?
22:18.55Gnarfozyeah on Friday or so
22:19.40znfoh, apparently I have 17 clients connected
22:19.47znfguess my google/azure stuff is still running
22:26.54Gnarfozhow dou you still have free credit there :o
22:27.40znfGnarfoz: https://i.imgur.com/2t5u38v.jpg
22:30.58znfGnarfoz: btw, have you noticed that in chrome dev they put the "Security" thing back on the lock, sort of?
22:31.03znfas in the https://
22:31.10znfso you can see certificate info easily
22:31.15GnarfozI used the chrome://flags thing for that already
22:32.01znfoh
22:32.05znfthere's a flag for that?
22:32.06znfneat-o
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22:44.01Gnarfozmaybe? or there used to be? that page has changed appearance again, for no reason
22:44.01Gnarfoz:D
22:52.33Kesavait's better now!
22:54.01Gnarfozfor arbitrary amounts of better
22:55.22Kesavai'll accept that
23:19.15GnarfozI wish I remembered how I came up with this tmux layout a8d9,237x64,0,0{47x64,0,0[47x21,0,0,0,47x20,0,22,12,47x21,0,43,11],46x64,48,0[46x21,48,0,14,46x20,48,22,13,46x21,48,43,1],47x64,95,0[47x21,95,0,8,47x20,95,22,7,47x21,95,43,10],46x64,143,0[46x21,143,0,9,46x20,143,22,2,46x21,143,43,4],47x64,190,0[47x21,190,0,3,47x20,190,22,6,47x21,190,43,5]} :D
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