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01:05.10pompyhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/content/7165-WoW-s-13th-Anniversary-Event-Old-World-Bosses
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01:08.49znf:o
01:13.34quiescensmoo
01:21.33ls-moo \o/
01:21.47znfmeow?
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01:50.41Funkeh`Stanzilla, have you broken the 100 milestone for issues yet? http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/15/bootloader-unlocking-appears-disabled-pixel-2-phones-purchased-google/
01:51.20Funkeh`I wonder if someone is keeping track of them all
02:06.06Funkeh`what the fuck https://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/star-wars-battlefront-ii-game-ready-driver
02:06.32Funkeh`+30fps in destiny 2 for the 1080
02:17.24znfthe fuck
02:21.42znfhttps://i.redd.it/lsq5le0tm6yz.jpg
02:21.46znfhow the hell does this guy do it like that
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13:32.04znfGnarfoz: bale. Weight loss / gain at that level
13:32.08znfIt's fucking scarry
13:34.12quiescenscarefully
13:36.14Gnarfozlol that's Christian Bale?
13:36.23GnarfozI didn't recognize him, hence my confusion
13:36.34Gnarfozznf: https://www.heise.de/imgs/18/2/3/1/6/8/4/9/lorca-override-68e3d0030fae16e2.png
13:36.42znfYes it's him
13:36.52Gnarfozdidn't re-watch it, but Heise got me covered
13:36.56znfHa!
13:36.59znfSo I was right?
13:37.00quiescenscan't tell if its a good thing or a bad thing if you are so convincing people can't tell its you
13:37.49znfYay
13:38.06quiescensmaybe everyone is sekretly evil
13:38.10znfGnarfoz: my miner friends realized they made a terrible mistake
13:39.22quiescensare they going to stop trying to take over the world?
13:40.07znfThey realized they are not doing any profit with those miners
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13:45.05Funkeh`don't you just hate doing profit
13:48.00znfI'm quite glad they fucked up
13:48.13Funkeh`what did they fuck up
13:51.05znfthey bought X11 miners
13:51.09znfX11 coins are crap
13:51.23znfsimple math - they would be making $2 in profit per day
13:57.09quiescenspsh
13:57.10quiescensnot your problem
13:57.43znfyup, indeed it's not my problem
13:57.48Megalonso when do those amortise(?) itself
13:57.55Megalonwhen raking in those $2
13:58.01Funkeh`x11 is a mining algorithm?
13:58.06nebulaznf: have you seen the machinist?
13:58.11Funkeh`I didn't even realize that was something you had to choose :D
13:58.17znfnebula, I did, but damn.
13:58.31nebulabale is pretty crazy
13:58.36znfFunkeh`, yeah, new to me, too; bitcoin is sha-256, other coins are x11, whatever
13:59.27Megaloni'll create md5coin
13:59.28Megalon8)
13:59.41quiescens\o/
13:59.56Funkeh`Im surprised some of these other retarded coins are still a thing
14:00.32quiescensit feels like there is a fine line between valid crytocurrency and pyramid scheme
14:00.33Funkeh`dogecoin like wtf
14:00.36Gnarfozbelief is a terible thing
14:01.11quiescenswe believe in you!
14:01.15Gnarfozznf: you said they're not making any profit, then said they're making $2 profit/day
14:01.16Gnarfozwhich is it
14:01.24znfGnarfoz, do you consider $2 a profit?
14:01.31nevcairiel0.01c is a profit
14:01.35Funkeh`profit or revenue
14:01.41znfwhen the device itself costs ~$2000?
14:01.53nevcairielthen you fail at the definition of profit
14:02.06znftechnically they calculated that they're doing $2/day
14:02.10nevcairielprofit is after you deducted the costs
14:02.25znfbut... they haven't calculated the new power bill increase from 1st of November
14:03.05Megalononecoin is where it's at!
14:03.19Gnarfozif that profit calculator you used before is actually a revenue calculator, then lol
14:05.24znfGnarfoz, https://imgur.com/a/Qpi5F
14:06.11Gnarfozyeah
14:06.45Gnarfoz(well it was kind of expected after they explained the multiverse thing minutes before)
14:07.13Gnarfozalso thanks Riker for making it obvious before the pilot even ran ^^
14:07.48Megalonhm
14:09.03Phixionslides 0.0001 megacoins in Gnarfoz' pocket
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14:18.34quiescensreports Phixion
14:18.57znfI'm trying to buy cable and other stuff
14:19.06znfand the "delivery by courier" is not appearing
14:19.08znfI call them up
14:19.14znf"try another browser please"
14:19.21znfdude, I have 917 products in my shopping cart
14:19.26znfthere's no fucking way I'm doing this order in another browser
14:19.39Funkeh`does it not save the cart to your login
14:19.53quiescensyou have to switch to ncsa mosaic
14:20.07znfapparently not
14:43.31znfhaha, found the "bug" (or feature)
14:43.37znfadd 500 products in the cart - it works
14:43.40znfadd 501, nope
14:44.03quiescensare you ordering 917 different things?
14:44.08znfno
14:44.08quiescensor 917 total things
14:44.12znftotal
14:44.18quiescensokay then
14:44.22znfhttps://i.imgur.com/5q3XB4w.png
14:46.01quiescensoh good, a 3760x12444px image
14:46.08quiescensthat will be fun to try to look at
14:46.23quiescens^^
14:47.17znfit was "fun" to try to compress it down from 5MB
14:48.47quiescenspoints for that at least i guess
14:49.21quiescensalways nice when people post like 10mb images unasked
14:51.21znfyes, I took it down to 1.4MB :P
14:51.31quiescenswell points for effort
14:52.40znf...I only did it because imgur allows only 5MB :D
15:07.37Gnarfozshould have used Firefox Screenshots s/
15:07.57Gnarfozs/s\///s/
15:08.17Gnarfozwell, almost. ;-)
15:08.37winklol
15:10.13GnarfozI like that the "notes" field is part of the address causing dupes of the otherwise identical address
15:11.09znfGnarfoz, I tried a lot of ways to see why the fuck it won't show me delivery options
15:11.13znfso I ended up with a lot of dupes
15:11.23znfalso, I used the Chrome screenshot function from developer tools
15:11.24Gnarfoz^_^
15:11.33znfFirefox would have produced the same result
15:11.42GnarfozFirefox Screenshots includes hosting, I was referring to imgur's size limit
15:11.51znfdo they now?
15:11.53znfwasn't aware
15:12.01quiescensgnarfoz' regex there is what happens when you give up on escaping half way through ^^
15:12.27winkit's an example for when people hate on regex
15:12.37Gnarfozquiescens: shouldn't it have replaced it with an empty string, though
15:12.53GnarfozI guess it considered the extraoneous s/ at the end as invalid and did nothing instead
15:12.55winkyes it wouldve
15:12.55quiescenswink: basically whenever you have a /
15:13.18winks/ s\/ / \/s /
15:17.15winkGnarfoz: sed 's/\(s\)\(\/\)/\2\1/ ;)
15:18.32Gnarfozopen quote :P
15:19.35winkyeah copy/paste
15:19.44winkcould not do that in my head
15:20.08winkI'd argue for pseudocode on irc anyway
15:20.31quiescensi think gnarfoz was just channeling purl
15:20.50Gnarfozof course
15:20.51winkpurl always sleeps
15:20.52quiescensgives purl a cookie
15:29.06Funkeh`when a customer rep says "for data protection purposes please EMAIL us the following sensitive details"
15:29.10Funkeh`"go fuck yourself"
15:29.58winkwhy? gpg-encrypt and then if they cant read it "go fuxk yourself"
15:30.43silentium"s:s/:/s:" - sed syntax allows other characters than just "/", which makes escaping unnecessary
15:31.42winkyes, but no
15:31.51nebulawhat kind of monster would use :
15:31.58winkmakes escacing / unnecessary, but not ( or \
15:32.03winkI use ,
15:32.55silentiumnebula: feel free to use something else
15:33.12nebulathank you for permission
15:36.59Gnarfozsilentium: but purl doesn't ^^
15:37.20silentium~blame purl
15:37.21purlACTION blames purl (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
15:38.02znfI like to use @
15:38.03znf:D
15:38.05znfor #
15:50.56quiescensi liked () because () would have had to have been escaped anyway
15:59.51znf>xau 969 ron to eur
15:59.52Catal1na969.00 RON == 209.06 EUR
15:59.59znf210€ for the Xiaomi Mi A1
16:00.02znflocal shop
16:13.16winkI prefer ron blanco
16:32.20Funkeh`lol did mmoc change the background of their (blocked) ads to a face of khadgar and a premium nag for anyone else?
16:33.30Funkeh`hey chaud_ Ill stop blocking ads when you guys finally roll out https
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16:35.17quiescenso.o
16:36.42znflol, they did
16:36.56Funkeh`on their main page to the right of the "recent forum posts" box
16:36.59znfyup
16:37.29znfhttps://i.imgur.com/rnZ4w7u.png
16:37.33znfalso, they are doing https
16:37.35znfjust not by default
16:37.39znfand their page includes http resources
16:37.55znf...only because cloudflare :P
16:37.57Funkeh`http sources of domains they own
16:39.28Funkeh`media. blue. static.
16:39.50Funkeh`maybe they are waiting for January to get a free wildcard cert :D
16:44.35znfwow, what a bargain https://i.imgur.com/rtSZn3yg.png
16:44.42znf40€ for my phone to trade in!
16:44.58Funkeh`trading in that back door?
16:46.30Funkeh`dem chinese phones bruh
16:47.11znfGnarfoz, any idea how the hell does LVM Multipath work?
16:47.52quiescensa wizard did it
16:59.57chaud_media, and static also work with https now Funkeh`
17:00.05chaud_blue is another thing that will require some work
17:00.09znfbut you're not embedding them with https :P
17:00.12chaud_but can't turn it on by default just yet
17:00.13chaud_yeah yeah
17:00.14znfyou're doing it hard http://
17:00.17chaud_getting there slowly
17:00.20znfwhen you should be using //
17:00.41Funkeh`I see
17:00.49chaud_vb has a bunch of stuff hardcoded, either http or you can change it to https when the entire site is changed over
17:01.00chaud_not ready to change it yet, but if you visit the https version it should mostly work
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17:01.12Funkeh`old version of vb?
17:01.15chaud_yeah
17:01.20chaud_vb5 is garbage
17:01.22znfwhy not ready?
17:01.33chaud_Ad networks aren't all ready for https
17:01.41znfthat's the point
17:01.42znf:D
17:01.54znfthe worst ones aren't
17:02.24chaud_Yeah I know =\
17:02.44chaud_Just need to not take a big revenue hit, we have to break even
17:02.59chaud_Can't lose money all day every day
17:04.42nevcairielyour ad networks are terrible anyway, half the time i visit on mobile i get one that steals the entire browser
17:11.30chaud_Yeah, that sucks =(
17:12.04chaud_Try and nuke them when they appear, but it's hard
17:12.08chaud_Hoping https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/8/16617794/chrome-redirect-blocking-announced-google will kill those ads
17:13.06znfI'm having a hard time to figure out how you must "break even"
17:13.24znflike, there's nothing noticeable done to your website in over a year, so I'm not sure what programming costs do you have
17:13.30znfI bet you're overpaying for servers :P
17:13.47znfand auxiliary staff which doesn't do anything
17:13.55znfyou're probably raking in over 30k/mo from ads
17:13.56harllol..
17:14.44Funkeh`znf, their revenue will be heavily dependant on wow uptime/downtime
17:14.57Funkeh`right now it's probably at it's worst
17:15.05Funkeh`should spike when the raid comes out
17:19.23nevcairielWhile that is true, a bunch of servers don't cost that much
17:19.54nevcairielSo just need to pay content authors
17:22.00Funkeh`get off the cancer mafia that is cloudflare, use a good host that already has hardware ddos protection as part of the package, should end up being cheaper
17:22.25chaud_I mean employees and hosting are the major costs
17:22.32chaud_We'll be on AWS soon enough, so not overpaying for that
17:27.31znfuhm, well, on AWS you are actually
17:29.17znfAWS is cheap at first, but gets very expensive :D
17:30.16harlhush - it's a business
17:30.32znfit's a business that we like
17:30.41znfbut servces malware ads sometimes :(
17:37.11quiescensgo to sleep
17:47.04chaud_I mean keep in mind we are an amazon owned company on AWS
17:47.15chaud_so draw whatever conclusions from that you want as far as cost
17:47.24Funkeh`free hosting!
17:48.07chaud_pls, amazon core values include Frugality
17:48.17chaud_they aren't going to give away things
17:48.24znfheh
17:48.35Funkeh`is that the secret to becoming bezos
17:48.43znfI forget you are amazon-owned, basically :D
17:49.50znfamazon ⊂ twitch ⊂ curse
18:11.40Gnarfozznf: yeah I know how it works: very carefully
18:11.40Gnarfoz:P
18:14.01znfI don't understand hwo to set up :-S
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18:27.22Gnarfoznebula: what is the intended method of opening the raid pane... companion window of ora?
18:28.56znfyou press O
18:37.14Gnarfozno
18:37.25Gnarfozwell, that might be intended, but it only rarely does that :D
18:37.40Gnarfozit sometimes appears when I open the "raid info" pane and close it again
18:37.47Gnarfoznot reliably though
18:43.57znfmeh, romanian black friday tomorow
18:44.01znfI have nothing to buy
18:44.31chaud_Decorative items for your domicile
18:44.42znfnot even
18:46.06silentiumyou save even more money if you don't spend any on junk you don't need anyway ;)
18:47.50Funkeh`I can't remember the last time Ive seen a sale that wasn't just clearance of old stock
18:48.07Gnarfozisn't that the concept of a sale?
18:48.24znfdepends
18:48.37znfa few years ago one of our retailers sold 120G SSDs for something like 20€
18:48.47znflike ~3 years or so?
18:48.52znfit was a very good price
18:49.09znfand wasn't a clearance of old stocks
18:49.29znfdue to an error, they sold about 2000 more than they had on stock, so they had to order more to fulfill the orders :D
18:52.20Funkeh`oh
18:52.28Funkeh`ion is doing a QA
18:52.40Funkeh`I guess in 8min
18:52.42znfja
18:52.47znfif chaud_ can make up his mind, sure
18:52.52znfhe tweeted 15, then 10 minutes :P
18:53.08Funkeh`I just got the twitch popup they were live
18:53.21Funkeh`so probably in 8min
18:57.07chaud_I got that SSD
18:57.27chaud_Well, when the same thing happened on Amazon.com a while back
18:57.29chaud_it now sits in my computer, sad and mostly unused
18:58.15znfit was the V300
18:58.25Funkeh`you didn't buy 10 and RAID?
18:58.27znfserved me well for ~2 years I think, until I replaced it with a 240G one *shrug*
18:58.48chaud_I guess it isn't plugged in anymore, I don't see it listed in my drives
18:59.58znfany ssd > any hdd :D
19:00.43Funkeh`it's live
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19:23.02znfwould a "GTX 1050 Ti" be better than my GTX 960?
19:24.05Funkeh`probably
19:24.30Funkeh`whats the ram amount difference
19:25.01znfsame, 4GB/4GB
19:25.16Funkeh`that's quite low
19:25.53znfis it now? for a damn gpu?
19:26.10znfI don't think I ever saw more than 2GB used for any games I play O.o
19:26.32Funkeh`you know it tends to scale according to how much you have right
19:26.42znfnope
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19:39.14Stanzillayou want at least 8gb graphics ram
19:40.36znfpft
19:40.47winkall the rams
19:40.52Funkeh`11gb would be even better
19:40.53znfyou guys have way too high standards
19:41.48Funkeh`wtf the 1060 only has 3?
19:42.15Stanzillathere are probably two edditions
19:42.20Funkeh`ah
19:42.52Funkeh`yeah there's a 6gb edition is that much higher znf
19:43.07znfyou guys DO realize I only play blizzard games, right?
19:43.38Funkeh`do you classify destiny 2 as a blizz game
19:44.01znfI don't play destiny 2
19:44.27znfI played their open beta, didn't enjoy it
19:44.37znfgameplay wasn't appealing to me
19:44.52silentium< znf> any ssd > any hdd :D <- I wouldn't accept your 120 GB ssd from 3 years ago as a replacement for the 8 TB WD red hdds in my nas :p
19:45.17znfI hope you raid.
19:45.31Funkeh`lol HDD & latency from NAS that's gotta be some great loading times
19:46.12znfoh, chinese guys shipped my X540-T2's
19:46.42silentiumFunkeh`: my point is, SSDs aren't necessarily always better than HDDs since sometimes you prefer loads of storage over latency
19:47.15Funkeh`you mean the only time hdds are better than ssds
19:47.15znfthat's like the only case where you want HDDs
19:47.25Funkeh`:D
19:47.27znfand even there, it's not a matter of "better"
19:47.29znfjust cheaper
19:47.36znfeven there SSDs would be better
19:47.46znfjust nobody has enough kidneys to buy 8TB SSDs
19:47.56silentiumand the "any" parts of znf's statement imply you'd prefer ssds from years ago even in that case, which simply doesn't make sense
19:48.20znfeven 3 years ago, they had huge SSDs
19:48.34znfin 2015 Samsung released a 16TB SSD
19:48.39Funkeh`other than more ssds being smaller/using VNAND etc I don't think it would be much worse
19:48.40silentiumyou mentioned those 120 GB ones
19:48.54znfI mentioned 120G because that's what I had
19:49.01znfgiven similar size, you would prefer SSDs
19:49.27silentiumwell the 120 GB ones are a match for your broad "any" statement
19:49.59znfmy broad statement implies same capacity
19:49.59znfthere
19:51.11silentiumin your mind, maybe ;p you didn't say that, actually that's quite the limitation
19:51.44znfyou're just arguing for the sake of it
19:51.49znfyou know very well what I implied
19:53.07silentiumI'm pointing out that your statement was hilariously broad, and now you try make it look like I'm the hilarious one
19:54.29znfnobody sane would imply that for data hoarding, SSDs would be a better choice, considering the price per GB; but general usage (or, let's say OS usage), any SSD from 3 years ago would be better than any HDD
19:54.59silentiumsee, that's a statement I can agree with
20:48.01Gnarfozdepending on the manner of how the hoard is built, I'd probably find more reasons to avoid SSDs
20:48.16Gnarfozconsidering their different endurance characteristics
21:17.02winkwho was using cmder here? Stanzilla?
21:17.10winkI've a problem recently that everything is absolutely slow.
21:17.28Stanzillaversion?
21:17.31winkand no clue why. only idea I have is maybe that it's related to being inside a git repo
21:17.58winkconemu 160710 it says
21:18.38winkVersion1.3.1
21:18.46winkbut it only started to suck like a week ago
21:19.10winkjust cd code/foo/bar takes like.. 5sec to show a prompt again
21:19.14winkbar is a git checkout
21:19.49Stanzillado you use the embedded git or system?
21:20.18winkpretty sure embedded, but let me check
21:20.55winkwhich git -> /cmd/git
21:21.27Stanzillaversin
21:21.27winkand no, I'm really not good with development stuff on windows, don't ask. think I last did proper work in 2010
21:21.43winkgit 2.9.3.windows.1
21:21.55winkI mean I guess I could just try updating cmder
21:23.53winkI just usually find it weird if stuff stops working without updating ;)
21:26.33Stanzillayeah
21:27.00Stanzillaif you get script errors after the upgrade make sure to clean the folders
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22:57.55winkhttps://twitter.com/b__trx/status/931274428700176384
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23:35.48znf$7829 for 1 BTC right now
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23:50.26znfhttp://www.ddrdrive.com/menu4.html
23:50.29znfIsn't this shit low?
23:50.35znf155MB/sec sequential writes?
23:50.40znffor what's basically DDR?
23:52.08nevcairielIOPS numbers need more details then just a single number, ie queue depth
23:52.22nevcairielbut it seems more focused on small random access then linear reads
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23:57.32nevcairielstill seems like a flimsy product

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