| 00:00.19 | Funkeh` | unless its canadian yes |
| 00:00.26 | Torhal | Sure. Even Canadian and UK TV. |
| 00:00.28 | Torhal | >.> |
| 00:00.35 | znf | mixed messages here, guys |
| 00:01.02 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 00:01.17 | znf | these people are too pretty |
| 00:01.20 | znf | that annoys me |
| 00:01.45 | Funkeh` | muh immersion |
| 00:02.11 | Torhal | The fact that they're obviously too old for high school doesn't annoy you? :D |
| 00:02.25 | znf | like, that pretty brunette lady with the husband in jail, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO YOUR HAIR AND WHY IS IT TOO PERFECT? |
| 00:02.26 | nevcairiel | maybe they are just really really stupid |
| 00:02.43 | znf | nah, I'm used to american shows with 25yo's in highschool |
| 00:03.11 | znf | My brain just interprets it as you guys just finishing highschool too late |
| 00:03.59 | Torhal | Kindergarten lasts for seven years! |
| 00:04.04 | znf | Torhal: do they find out that junkie-head is homeless? |
| 00:04.22 | Torhal | Wow, spoilers. |
| 00:04.40 | znf | pft, you're current with the show |
| 00:04.57 | Torhal | I'm not the only one in the channel. |
| 00:05.14 | znf | I didn't even say his name! |
| 00:05.20 | znf | ...I literally have no idea what his name is, for that matter |
| 00:18.15 | Torhal | znf: Jughead :) |
| 00:27.12 | znf | Gnarfoz: how much experience do you have with FCoE? |
| 00:33.21 | znf | Torhal: uuuuh, I saw lady with fucking perfect hair and that guy from beverly hills 90210 kissing! |
| 00:33.46 | Torhal | Ermagherd, znf. |
| 00:33.51 | znf | !! |
| 00:40.05 | znf | oh dear polly |
| 00:40.10 | znf | >gif oh my god cat |
| 00:40.12 | Catal1na | https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o7TKNF75lKWrsIjtK/giphy.gif?fingerprint=e1bb72ff59ee8beb4c6c70586ba8618e |
| 00:40.20 | znf | that's not a cat |
| 00:40.42 | znf | >gif omg cat |
| 00:40.43 | Catal1na | https://media2.giphy.com/media/RJDmEeLNgzgxW/giphy.gif?fingerprint=e1bb72ff59ee8c0a725a58426f3a138d |
| 00:43.52 | Gnarfoz | znf: 0 |
| 00:43.59 | znf | Gnarfoz: :( |
| 00:44.19 | Gnarfoz | fancy newfangled stuff^^ |
| 00:44.24 | znf | there seems to be support for software FCoE |
| 00:44.28 | Gnarfoz | real FC all day every day |
| 00:44.32 | quiescens | gives Gnarfoz a cookie |
| 00:45.33 | znf | Gnarfoz: why FC vs. Infiniband |
| 00:45.42 | Gnarfoz | they do different things? |
| 00:45.51 | znf | how? |
| 00:46.02 | Gnarfoz | Wikipedia should tell you, tbh |
| 00:46.31 | Gnarfoz | infiniband wasn't over fiber, at least back then |
| 00:46.32 | znf | anyway, in regards to server/client support for FC |
| 00:46.46 | znf | can you actually turn commodity hardware into a FC "server"? |
| 00:46.49 | znf | I'm assuming no? |
| 00:47.16 | Gnarfoz | err, I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 00:47.50 | znf | the Target |
| 00:47.51 | Gnarfoz | (I'm thinking the answer is yes) |
| 00:48.08 | Gnarfoz | our entire SAN works that way |
| 00:48.32 | znf | How does it actually work? |
| 00:48.34 | Gnarfoz | the storage virtualization software provides the targets over FC |
| 00:48.47 | znf | Is there any free/open-source software that does that? |
| 00:49.06 | Gnarfoz | good question, no idea |
| 00:49.37 | znf | am I correct to assume that FC is just the physical layer, but the underlying tech is actually iSCSI? |
| 00:50.29 | Gnarfoz | AFAIK, iSCSI and FC are not related |
| 00:51.06 | znf | http://linux-iscsi.org/wiki/LIO |
| 00:51.36 | Gnarfoz | FC is about 10 years or so older than iSCSI |
| 00:52.06 | znf | mkay, let me ask you something else, then |
| 00:52.25 | znf | is FC as fast as having the disks connected directly to your SATA ports, for example? |
| 00:52.32 | Gnarfoz | pretty much, yes |
| 00:53.04 | quiescens | are you still working on the same base thingy as last time |
| 00:53.06 | Gnarfoz | (I haven't looked at benchmarks :D) |
| 00:53.22 | znf | quiescens: no |
| 00:53.31 | znf | just trying to get some more information |
| 00:54.24 | znf | Gnarfoz: so, basically, I would just need a "storage" server with an FC adapter (the ql2xxx ones), and then each of my initiators would need a FC adapter, too, right? |
| 00:54.41 | Gnarfoz | tbh, I have a narrow window as well, we use only FC and have stopped using IB a few years ago (only use was an Oracle cluster interconnect because of RDMA); no hands-on iSCSI or SOMETHINGoE) |
| 00:54.53 | Gnarfoz | sounds about right |
| 00:55.13 | znf | also a switch |
| 00:55.15 | Gnarfoz | that LIO thing looks like it'd "play" the target in software |
| 00:55.36 | znf | yup |
| 00:55.39 | Gnarfoz | you don't technically need a switch, if you have enough ports |
| 00:55.58 | Gnarfoz | (or few enough servers) |
| 00:56.28 | znf | I don't see HBAs with 4 ports tough, so I don't have enough :P |
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| 00:56.42 | Gnarfoz | by see I'm assuming you mean ebay ^^ |
| 00:56.50 | znf | amazon |
| 00:56.59 | Gnarfoz | because we've just thrown a bunch of them away ;X |
| 00:57.07 | znf | with 4 ports? :-| |
| 00:57.11 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 00:57.17 | znf | 8gbps/port? |
| 00:57.18 | Gnarfoz | well, those were 4GFC |
| 00:57.33 | Gnarfoz | I think the 8GFC quad ports are mostly still in use |
| 00:58.10 | znf | would still have been nice to experiment :P |
| 00:58.18 | Gnarfoz | fewer and fewer boxes that have direct FC connectivity now ^^ the vsphere hosts just have 2x dual 16G FC |
| 00:58.44 | Gnarfoz | (which was also overkill, 2x1 would have been enough, that was just for redundancy) |
| 00:58.53 | znf | multipath and stuff |
| 00:59.04 | Gnarfoz | not even that, the ports are just unconnected |
| 00:59.09 | Gnarfoz | so yes, multipath, of course |
| 00:59.10 | znf | heh |
| 00:59.13 | Gnarfoz | 2 of 4 ports are in use |
| 00:59.35 | Gnarfoz | but you don't really want to have a total of 2 ports and from a single HBA |
| 00:59.49 | Gnarfoz | and two 1-port HBAs sounded silly on paper and wasn't really cheaper, either |
| 01:00.10 | Gnarfoz | so... 2x2 \o/ |
| 01:00.18 | znf | Qle2564 seems expensive-ish tough :-/ |
| 01:00.37 | Gnarfoz | yeah, not really cheap new |
| 01:00.58 | Gnarfoz | probably a lot cheaper to pick up some 10 GbE NICs and do iSCSI |
| 01:01.08 | znf | or FCoE! |
| 01:01.10 | Gnarfoz | or FCoE in software? |
| 01:01.11 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 01:01.14 | znf | not looking for them new tough |
| 01:01.50 | Gnarfoz | List Price: $3,465.00 |
| 01:01.51 | Gnarfoz | lolol |
| 01:02.22 | znf | https://www.ebay.com/itm/Qlogic-QLE2564-Quad-Port-FC-HBA-8GB-SFP-Gebraucht-QLE-2562-SUN-DELL-IBM-/142148596126?hash=item2118b7719e:g:TQUAAOSwXeJYD05q |
| 01:02.23 | znf | more like |
| 01:02.50 | Gnarfoz | that's more appropriate |
| 01:03.56 | Gnarfoz | https://www.ebay.de/itm/122768676969?hash=item1c95955869:g:zigAAOSwi8VZWpbz ;\ |
| 01:04.13 | znf | so if I can get some funding for one of those "superservers" from SuperMicro, the 3U things that host 4x servers + I could reuse one of my old servers... |
| 01:04.35 | znf | yeah, that's expensive |
| 01:06.18 | znf | FreeBSD also seems to support this just fine https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/46591/ |
| 01:09.09 | Gnarfoz | actually, that one is super cheap, the same one with all 24 ports licensed goes for >1500⬠on ebay o_o |
| 01:09.29 | Gnarfoz | which is kind of amazing, but it's probably the licenses that cause that (or people are just insane) |
| 01:10.03 | znf | "licensed"? |
| 01:10.15 | Gnarfoz | anyway, for fucking around, even 2G FC or 4G FC should be enough, that shit must be basically free? |
| 01:10.42 | znf | I'd rather go straight for 8G tough |
| 01:10.54 | Gnarfoz | yeah, buy 24 port chassis, only pay for 8 ports until you need more, blah |
| 01:10.55 | znf | those are individual 8G ports, right? |
| 01:11.11 | Gnarfoz | which is "those"? the switch I linked? |
| 01:11.19 | znf | no, the HBA I linked |
| 01:11.23 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 01:11.33 | Gnarfoz | hmm, yeah, QLE2564 should be 4x 8GB |
| 01:11.33 | znf | I mean, when cards have multiple ports, each port is 8G, right? |
| 01:11.38 | znf | cool |
| 01:11.59 | Gnarfoz | lol that product description |
| 01:12.04 | Gnarfoz | "Es handelt sich hierbei um einen professionellen 8G Quad Port FC HBAe für den PCIe x8 Anschluss. Batterien dürfen nicht in den Hausmüll gegeben werden. Sie sind zur Rückgabe gebrauchter Batterien als Endverbraucher gesetzlich verpflichtet." |
| 01:12.10 | znf | is german, I don't know |
| 01:13.08 | Gnarfoz | first sentence: "This is a professional 8G quad port FC HBA with PCI-E x8 connection. Battries do not belong into your household garbage. As a consumer, you are legally required to return used batteries." |
| 01:13.13 | Gnarfoz | total non-sequitur xD |
| 01:13.37 | znf | batteries?! |
| 01:14.01 | Gnarfoz | someone probably had a stroke while copy/pasta-ing the description |
| 01:14.11 | Gnarfoz | no idea, this thing doesn't use batteries :D |
| 01:14.51 | znf | wait, do those include the SFP modules? it seems a SFP module is required |
| 01:15.21 | Gnarfoz | yeah, just came across that in the description, this one includes 4 finisar SFPs |
| 01:15.41 | znf | ah yes, full description mentions SFP |
| 01:15.46 | Gnarfoz | - Worldwirde shipping: 39,90 Eur |
| 01:15.49 | Gnarfoz | herp derp |
| 01:16.03 | Gnarfoz | why do you want to go down this rabbit hole again? ^^ |
| 01:16.18 | znf | our Investor insists on a new client |
| 01:16.28 | znf | ...that wants VMs with 96GB RAM |
| 01:16.43 | znf | and I don't have any reliable system that does 96GB+ ram |
| 01:16.50 | znf | so I told him we don't have any unless we buy |
| 01:17.03 | znf | and he's like, "I'll convince the other shareholders, then" |
| 01:17.11 | znf | I'll get him the info |
| 01:18.28 | znf | but you are right |
| 01:18.32 | znf | 10Gbit adapters are cheaper |
| 01:18.55 | znf | even CNAs are somewhat cheaper |
| 01:19.02 | znf | but then you'd also need a 10Gbit switch, so... |
| 01:20.43 | znf | yeah, a fucking QL8200 is ~80⬠|
| 01:33.43 | znf | thank you Gnarfoz for allowing me to pick your brain \o/ |
| 01:33.48 | znf | A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION |
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| 02:00.10 | znf | Torhal: is it normal that I want to bitchslap betty's mom? |
| 02:00.35 | Torhal | That feeling usually lasts hours after the episode is over. |
| 02:03.03 | znf | *nod* |
| 02:04.55 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 11:13.48 | Gnarfoz | znf: https://photos.app.goo.gl/5tki9Hah4CAx3Dq72 ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 11:21.49 | Fisker | Hot Gnarfoz |
| 11:22.17 | Gnarfoz | actually, that one's been cold for quite a while now :| |
| 11:23.50 | znf | give |
| 11:23.53 | znf | 8G? :D |
| 11:25.18 | znf | oh |
| 11:25.19 | znf | 16G |
| 11:25.32 | Gnarfoz | nah |
| 11:25.34 | Gnarfoz | QLE2562 |
| 11:25.43 | znf | yup, I noticed |
| 11:26.17 | Gnarfoz | someone fix this weird computer issue, how do Outlook and Internet Explorer work, but not Firefox |
| 11:26.34 | Gnarfoz | must be some DNS shit, because nslookup can't even look up things |
| 11:26.44 | Gnarfoz | but how do IE and Outlook work, then ~_~ |
| 11:27.16 | znf | proxy? |
| 11:28.18 | Gnarfoz | nope (tried both explicity "no proxy" and system settings (which is set to no proxy as well) |
| 11:28.35 | Gnarfoz | I don't even get an error, just a white page |
| 11:28.46 | Gnarfoz | (it's set to display the homepage on startup, so that's already wrong) |
| 11:29.11 | nevcairiel | Did you try turning it off and on again? |
| 11:29.16 | Gnarfoz | I bet a router restart would fix it, but it's my uncle's shit 500 km away |
| 11:29.43 | Gnarfoz | and since he recently switched to IPTV (again, funnily enough) and VDSL, and got a new router, I don't have access to do that |
| 11:30.08 | Gnarfoz | (also, even opening the router's page by IP in Firefox doesn't work) |
| 11:30.21 | nevcairiel | presumably he complained and asked for help, so just tell him to power cycle |
| 11:30.22 | Gnarfoz | perhaps it's some shit like smartscreen and if it can't reach it, it doesn't do anything |
| 11:30.44 | znf | Event Viewer? |
| 11:30.56 | Gnarfoz | yeah I did, for the PC, until I gave up trying to decipher his descriptions of what's going on ("Firefox doesn't work anymore") and remoted in |
| 11:31.24 | Gnarfoz | he left for now, I told him to unplug/re-plug his router when he gets back |
| 11:31.41 | Gnarfoz | (perhaps I should add his wi-fi repeater to that list, but... since I can remote in, something must be working, lol) |
| 11:34.31 | Gnarfoz | allegedly, he has both an ipv4 and an ipv6 address, but that's via IE, which suspiciously works |
| 11:34.53 | Gnarfoz | earlier, it showed he didn't have an ipv4 address, on another website for that kind of thing |
| 11:34.57 | Gnarfoz | maybe the website sucked :D |
| 11:35.19 | Gnarfoz | my guess is the DNS resolver cache on his router died or something |
| 11:35.43 | Gnarfoz | (but then... if I tell nslookup to use a specific server, that should work around that, and it doesn't. it's just bizarro) |
| 11:42.10 | Fisker | Rip internet |
| 11:43.02 | Gnarfoz | (already ran MBAM, doesn't look like there's malware involved -- and why would that block Firefox, but not IE, of all things ^^) |
| 11:43.22 | Fisker | I'm gonna hack this fucking activation system |
| 11:44.04 | Gnarfoz | you better |
| 11:44.53 | quiescens | gasp |
| 12:00.35 | Gnarfoz | I'm afraid if I turn off ipv6 on the network interface that I'll shut myself out ^^ |
| 12:00.49 | quiescens | ^^ |
| 12:02.22 | Gnarfoz | hte only thing I see constantly going on is a NetBIOS name query for what is probably his printer |
| 12:03.22 | Gnarfoz | doing nslookup google.com 8.8.4.4 doesn't even appear in Wireshark, it just does an icmpv6 neighbor discovery |
| 12:04.04 | quiescens | check hosts file mebeh |
| 12:04.11 | Gnarfoz | first thing, it's empty |
| 12:04.20 | Gnarfoz | (and nslookup doesn't care for that anyway) |
| 12:04.25 | quiescens | iuno what you've tried ): |
| 12:04.37 | Gnarfoz | of course not |
| 12:04.49 | Gnarfoz | I can ping 8.8.8.8 and it's doing that over ipv4, so wtf |
| 12:05.32 | Gnarfoz | it even resolved 8.8.8.8 into the hostname when I did tracert 8.8.8.8, soooo |
| 12:05.46 | quiescens | test firefox with network.dns.disableipv6 = true |
| 12:06.03 | quiescens | just as a diagnostic thingy, at least you can do that without potentially disconnectin yourself |
| 12:06.04 | Gnarfoz | oh yeah, saw that earlier while going through about:config, I'll give that a try |
| 12:06.57 | Gnarfoz | wish Windows allowed to kick out dns servers you obtained via dhcp |
| 12:06.59 | Gnarfoz | (but it doesn't) |
| 12:07.23 | Gnarfoz | (no effect, sadly. doesn't Firefox just gethostbyname() anyway and let the OS handle it?) |
| 12:08.25 | Gnarfoz | if it was network shares not working, I'd be quick to assume that somehow, some inept device like an old printer won the SMB master browser election |
| 12:10.41 | quiescens | what os anyway? |
| 12:12.56 | znf | macows 10 |
| 12:13.42 | quiescens | moo |
| 12:20.00 | Gnarfoz | win7 |
| 12:20.18 | Gnarfoz | and I can actually see DNS working... somewhat |
| 12:20.25 | Gnarfoz | no idea why Firefox doesn't use it |
| 12:20.35 | Gnarfoz | or why nslookup fails to do anything |
| 12:21.00 | znf | gremlins, man, gremlins |
| 12:21.01 | nevcairiel | i assume you did a flushdns on the box |
| 12:21.11 | Gnarfoz | yeah, also rebooted twice now |
| 12:21.38 | Gnarfoz | really odd |
| 12:21.59 | Gnarfoz | I'll stop wasting my time and wait until he resets his upstream network devices |
| 12:22.55 | Gnarfoz | dns.msftncsi.com: type A, class IN |
| 12:22.57 | Gnarfoz | wut |
| 12:23.02 | Gnarfoz | NCSI: MSFT |
| 12:23.34 | nevcairiel | its NCIS :p |
| 12:24.48 | quiescens | network connectivity something iuno |
| 12:25.08 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure all possible combinations of those letters have been made into a TV show by now |
| 12:25.31 | Gnarfoz | (Network Connectivity Status Indicator) |
| 12:25.45 | quiescens | close enough |
| 12:26.16 | Gnarfoz | my wireshark filter has grown a bit https://hastebin.com/raw/nosajihezu |
| 12:30.00 | Gnarfoz | also, what on earth is "Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport Adapter " |
| 12:31.50 | Gnarfoz | wifi hotspot? whaaat |
| 12:32.30 | Gnarfoz | gtfo, but changed nothing :P |
| 13:08.58 | Gnarfoz | Chrome Portable works as well. I spent way more time on this than I probably should have :p |
| 13:09.40 | znf | Gnarfoz, it's used for Microsoft Virtual WiFi stuff |
| 13:09.45 | znf | yes, hotspot |
| 13:09.56 | znf | you should just sfc that thing |
| 13:10.08 | Gnarfoz | (I wouldn't have guessed "it's for virtual wifi" from the name, duh :P) |
| 13:10.32 | Gnarfoz | no idea why that would be present, though. probably some wifi driver force-installed it (or worse) |
| 13:10.33 | znf | I figured you needed some help |
| 13:10.38 | Gnarfoz | well duh :D |
| 13:10.52 | Gnarfoz | lots of dead ends |
| 13:10.59 | Gnarfoz | sfc is probably an option |
| 13:11.00 | znf | you have to enable internet sharing and shit like that for it to be created/added |
| 13:11.05 | quiescens | try a fresh profile on ff as well? |
| 13:11.27 | Gnarfoz | I read that some wifi drivers also make it appear, but then I'm usually the only person doing stuff like *that* on his computer, so... I should know |
| 13:11.49 | Gnarfoz | I kept that for later, because tbh, I don't know, off the top of my head, how to get his bookmarks back after doing that |
| 13:11.50 | znf | *shrug* |
| 13:11.51 | Gnarfoz | he has a ton ^^ |
| 13:12.02 | quiescens | i'm not saying delete anything |
| 13:12.14 | znf | to upgrade to 128GB RAM per NODE |
| 13:12.15 | znf | is £240 per node so for 4 nodes £960 |
| 13:12.18 | Gnarfoz | the "refresh firefox" thing does say it will reset it to basically freshly installed |
| 13:12.25 | Gnarfoz | which, I assume, includes bookmarks |
| 13:12.27 | znf | uhm, so 960gbp to upgrade the whole chasis to 128GB ram |
| 13:12.33 | znf | :-S |
| 13:12.38 | znf | >xau 960 gbp to eur |
| 13:12.39 | Catal1na | 960.00 gbp = 1074.82 eur |
| 13:12.41 | Gnarfoz | guess I could enable firefox sync beforehand and have it pull them back down afterward |
| 13:12.43 | quiescens | i just mean run it with -profilemanager |
| 13:12.52 | quiescens | and then create a second profile |
| 13:12.54 | Gnarfoz | oh, netscape relics like that still exist? I guess |
| 13:14.01 | silentium | if you want to run multiple instances of firefox at the same time, the "-no-remote" parameter helps you |
| 13:14.25 | silentium | "-profilemanager" can be written shorter with "-P" |
| 13:14.56 | Gnarfoz | nah, no luck |
| 13:16.31 | quiescens | well, it probably isn't any kind of firefox setting gone awry then |
| 13:20.24 | znf | export bookmarks |
| 13:20.27 | znf | nuke it from orbit |
| 13:33.13 | Gnarfoz | is mozbackup still the best for that? |
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| 13:35.25 | znf | I've no idea. |
| 13:35.35 | znf | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/export-firefox-bookmarks-to-backup-or-transfer |
| 13:35.36 | znf | ?! |
| 13:37.28 | quiescens | don't you just go ctrl-shift-b and click backup |
| 13:38.18 | quiescens | or, bookmarks->show all bookmarks, then click backup for more menuing |
| 13:39.28 | znf | yes |
| 13:41.47 | Gnarfoz | I don't really see Firefox much these days unless I'm at my parents' place |
| 13:41.49 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 13:42.28 | Gnarfoz | (btw, firefox sync not an option: "must be connected to the internet to sign up/in" :P |
| 13:42.45 | Gnarfoz | but a new profile didn't change anything, so... I'm not sure what I'd gain |
| 13:43.08 | Gnarfoz | SFC did "something" (CBS.log is way too big to figure out if it was anything worthwhile) |
| 13:43.23 | Gnarfoz | nothing like wasting half a day fucking around with random Windows things |
| 13:45.12 | quiescens | i use firefox ): |
| 13:45.27 | Gnarfoz | still doesn't explain why nslookup won't work properly; I remain at least half-convinced that Firefox is just a victim ^^ |
| 13:45.49 | quiescens | i doubt its firefox itself either if a new profile didn't fix anything |
| 13:50.18 | quiescens | iuno what would possibly affect nslookup |
| 13:50.31 | quiescens | firewall? |
| 13:55.24 | Gnarfoz | I checked the Windows firewall and found a "block firefox on public networks" rule, but his network is set to home; also, I deleted that rule and nothing changed either |
| 13:55.50 | Gnarfoz | went looking for the DNS UDP rules as well, and those didn't look out of place, but I can't really say how they're supposed to look, either |
| 13:56.20 | Gnarfoz | at least his Windows Update seems to have unfucked itself since I last visited him... it was kind of dead back then ^^ |
| 13:56.48 | nevcairiel | getting WU working on a fresh win7 install needs quite a bit of manual effort these days already |
| 13:56.58 | nevcairiel | need to update the WU client manually, or it'll work terribly |
| 14:08.59 | Gnarfoz | I can't really call this install fresh, though |
| 14:09.03 | Gnarfoz | I don't even know how old it is :D |
| 14:09.34 | Gnarfoz | I only know his CPU fan/heatsink is in desparate need of attention |
| 14:10.04 | Gnarfoz | it's like a jet turbine and goes up to idk, 5000+ rpm when going near 50% cpu usage |
| 14:10.12 | Gnarfoz | probably not seated properly or something |
| 14:11.18 | quiescens | its probably installed fine and just isn't very good |
| 14:11.26 | Gnarfoz | tbh, he really needs the HDD -> SSD + Win10 treatment, he's the only one left with neither of those |
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| 14:25.39 | Gnarfoz | lolwut? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-hurricane-aid-dickinson-israel-boycott-pledge-harvey-financial-help-free-speech-a8011141.html |
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| 15:05.09 | quiescens | the world is a crazy place these days foz |
| 15:05.11 | quiescens | o.o |
| 15:05.30 | quiescens | gives Gnarfoz a cookie |
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| 15:32.14 | Gnarfoz | znf:Â just solve your storage problems with PingFS |
| 15:32.16 | Gnarfoz | https://github.com/yarrick/pingfs |
| 15:33.40 | znf | lol |
| 15:33.56 | haste | brb, migrating to pingfs |
| 15:37.58 | quiescens | i think the lack of support for directories might cause some incompatability |
| 15:39.48 | silentium | pfft, MS-DOS didn't have subdirectories either until version 2.0 |
| 15:57.22 | nevcairiel | is github running on pingfs? its loading slow enough to be |
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| 16:24.45 | znf | but can you boot from pingfs? :D |
| 16:26.34 | Gnarfoz | pxe over pingfs |
| 16:26.37 | Gnarfoz | make it happen |
| 16:26.48 | znf | buzz off, Windows |
| 16:26.51 | znf | I don't need your update |
| 16:32.28 | znf | oh noes, bitcoin is forking, again |
| 16:32.55 | Gnarfoz | fork it, we're doing it live |
| 16:46.41 | Gnarfoz | store all encryption keys in pingfs |
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| 19:00.07 | Gnarfoz | what the |
| 19:00.20 | Gnarfoz | on my uncle's laptop, dns works... but it works differently than I'd expect |
| 19:02.19 | Gnarfoz | ok, there was an odd primary dns suffix configured outside of dhcp |
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| 19:03.07 | Gnarfoz | shame, had hope that meant the router was misconfigured :} |
| 19:30.03 | znf | so, uhm, I have one of those split AC thingies |
| 19:30.08 | znf | with the unit outside and the thingie inside |
| 19:30.21 | znf | there are strong winds around here and it's blowing hard in the unit outside |
| 19:30.26 | znf | making noise on the inside... |
| 19:30.28 | znf | the fuck? |
| 19:32.19 | Primer | it's about to explode |
| 19:32.22 | Primer | you better leave |
| 19:34.20 | znf | it's off... |
| 19:38.16 | Gnarfoz | does that stop it from exploding? :D |
| 19:38.35 | Gnarfoz | also, I disabled the firewall, did a ipconfig /release + /renew cycle, disabled ipv6 on the wifi adapter |
| 19:38.51 | Gnarfoz | still, nslookup claims it can't tell what the router's hostname is |
| 19:39.03 | Gnarfoz | something's severly fucked with DNS on this machine :( |
| 19:39.14 | Gnarfoz | (arp -d * as well, for good measure) |
| 19:41.16 | Primer | nsloolup knowing what the router's hostname would imply a properly setup PRT record |
| 19:41.20 | Primer | PTR, even |
| 19:41.22 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 19:41.59 | Gnarfoz | as usual, the router does dhcp, and serves itself as the dns server to the dhcp clients via dhcp option... 15 or whatever it is |
| 19:42.34 | Gnarfoz | regular case: everything works :D |
| 19:42.42 | Gnarfoz | this case: client pc can't resolve shit |
| 19:42.53 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 19:42.58 | Gnarfoz | nslookup and firefox can't |
| 19:43.09 | Gnarfoz | but Chrome, Internet Explorer, Outlook and Windows Update can? |
| 19:43.21 | znf | Gnarfoz, malware |
| 19:43.25 | Primer | naw |
| 19:43.25 | Gnarfoz | I have no idea what those groups of things share |
| 19:43.34 | Gnarfoz | I already ran MBAM twice this afternoon |
| 19:44.04 | Gnarfoz | yes, his Internet Explorer had some thing that set his search engine to Yahoo of all things, but I think that was about it |
| 19:44.07 | Gnarfoz | rocket... search? |
| 19:44.08 | Primer | Doesn't nslookup tell you what server it's using when it performs a query? |
| 19:44.12 | Gnarfoz | it does |
| 19:44.15 | Gnarfoz | UnKnown |
| 19:44.20 | Gnarfoz | (router's IP) |
| 19:44.33 | Gnarfoz | hence, it can't be talking to the router, or it would be able to resolve that |
| 19:44.45 | Gnarfoz | (that being the router's IP to the router's hostname) |
| 19:44.53 | Primer | what about ipconfig /flushdns? |
| 19:45.09 | Gnarfoz | already done (+rebooted a couple of times); see above if you have scrollback |
| 19:45.21 | Gnarfoz | I am kind of inclined to agree with znf at this point |
| 19:45.29 | Primer | turn off firewall? |
| 19:45.48 | Primer | tcpdump on the router |
| 19:45.50 | Primer | etc... |
| 19:45.51 | Gnarfoz | did that 7 minutes ago |
| 19:45.56 | Gnarfoz | tcpdump on router, ha, that'd be nice |
| 19:46.01 | Primer | black box? |
| 19:46.17 | Gnarfoz | is there any other kind ;) |
| 19:46.18 | Primer | you got a proper switch? clone the port and tcpdump it? |
| 19:46.22 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 19:46.30 | Gnarfoz | this is not an enterprise situation, but lord I wish it was |
| 19:46.31 | Primer | yeah, I run a Linux box as my NAT gateway |
| 19:46.49 | Gnarfoz | this is my 72 year old uncle's home PC |
| 19:46.51 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 19:46.53 | Primer | makes life a lot easier when shit like you're describing happens |
| 19:47.00 | Primer | haha |
| 19:47.17 | Primer | I'd just put on my "No, I will not fix your computer" shirt on and </mic drop> |
| 19:47.31 | Gnarfoz | would Chrome, IE and Outlook use other routines to do DNS resolution? |
| 19:47.41 | Primer | I know chrome can do its own dns |
| 19:47.48 | Gnarfoz | I mean, I'm halfway inclined to believe something is maliciously blocking DNS at this point |
| 19:48.04 | Primer | Some AVs install a local DNS |
| 19:48.09 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but... that then begs the question at which point is DNS being fucked with if nslookup of all things doesn't work |
| 19:48.14 | Primer | and requests are always redirected to it |
| 19:48.16 | Gnarfoz | just MS Security Essentials |
| 19:48.35 | Gnarfoz | that... does have realtime network protection, though, not sure if I can turn that off |
| 19:48.41 | Primer | redirected at the network, that is |
| 19:49.15 | Primer | run wireshark on the machine, see if the packets are making it to the wire? |
| 19:49.47 | Primer | Not sure how windows would deal with that. I know that on Linux, packets are seen on the wire before hitting the firewall. |
| 19:50.54 | Gnarfoz | I ran Wireshark this afternoon, and... I actually don't recall :p I think it was mostly inconclusive :D |
| 19:51.35 | Gnarfoz | disabling MSSE realtime protection: no deal, adding nslookup and firefox to excluded processes: no deal |
| 19:51.50 | Gnarfoz | now where did I put my wireshark display filter |
| 19:53.05 | znf | Gnarfoz, did you try resetting the network stack completely? |
| 19:53.14 | znf | netsh reset |
| 19:53.14 | znf | ? |
| 19:54.44 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 19:54.47 | Gnarfoz | what exactly does that do? |
| 19:55.11 | Gnarfoz | sounds like a good thing, but I do have to take precaution not to shut myself out (I'm doing this from 500 km away, after all) |
| 19:55.32 | Primer | foresees Gnarfoz calling his uncle soon |
| 19:55.52 | Gnarfoz | does it end up disconnected from ALL the things? ^^ |
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| 19:58.28 | znf | Gnarfoz, afaik yes |
| 19:58.47 | Gnarfoz | does it make it forget wifi keys? |
| 19:58.54 | znf | that I do not know |
| 19:59.03 | Gnarfoz | Primer: well, no, wireshark doesn't see nslookup's feeble attempts at doing DNS |
| 19:59.29 | Gnarfoz | but it does see Windows' built-in connectivity indicator thing (msftncsi.com) do DNS lookups fine |
| 20:00.04 | Gnarfoz | and Chrome (portable) does various lookups to display a website, as well |
| 20:00.15 | Gnarfoz | so... whatever it is, it's local :| |
| 20:00.29 | Gnarfoz | (and firefox -profilmanager to use a new profile was also tested earlier, no dice) |
| 20:00.40 | Gnarfoz | so... it's honestly back to "WTF" or "malware" :D |
| 20:00.53 | Gnarfoz | I'd like to try netsh reset, but I have no idea what state that leaves the system in |
| 20:01.02 | Gnarfoz | I mean... at most, it could forget the wifi key, I guess? |
| 20:01.11 | znf | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dGj8Xpwp/20171024_225946.jpg |
| 20:01.11 | Gnarfoz | everything else is dhcp |
| 20:01.26 | Gnarfoz | I could eat about 5 of those right now |
| 20:01.31 | Gnarfoz | even though I'm more than full :p |
| 20:01.59 | Primer | perform the equivalent of strace on the process, and see where the socket is going (IMO) |
| 20:02.20 | Primer | I've used that program on windows before. It's a bitch setting up filters. |
| 20:02.40 | Primer | And if you don't filter, you basically have to scroll through 1m lines of stuff |
| 20:03.04 | Primer | which is why I love cli. strace -f -e bind foo 2>&1 | grep whatever |
| 20:03.08 | Gnarfoz | strace doesn't exist on windows, I'm not sure what the most useful equivalent would be. probably some crazy ETW monster. |
| 20:03.11 | Primer | anyhow, meeting |
| 20:03.19 | Primer | it's something from sys internals |
| 20:03.27 | Primer | the makers of process exploder |
| 20:03.32 | Primer | I don't recall the name |
| 20:03.33 | Gnarfoz | procmon I tried, but that doesn't really show syscalls |
| 20:03.36 | Primer | that |
| 20:03.52 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't do that level |
| 20:03.59 | Primer | pretty sure it does |
| 20:04.00 | Gnarfoz | (and process hacker > process explorer! :D) |
| 20:04.05 | Primer | but...I'm not a windows person |
| 20:04.14 | Primer | ahh, I'll check that out |
| 20:04.17 | Primer | anyhow, good luck |
| 20:04.21 | Gnarfoz | ty |
| 20:04.31 | Primer | please let me know what the disposition was |
| 20:04.34 | Primer | I'm curious |
| 20:04.43 | Gnarfoz | diagnosis: recycling center |
| 20:04.45 | Gnarfoz | :C |
| 20:04.55 | Gnarfoz | or, well, that'd be the treatment. |
| 20:44.41 | Gnarfoz | got it, but saldy, I probably won't know what the fuck was the problem |
| 20:44.55 | Gnarfoz | did too many things in one step |
| 20:45.06 | Gnarfoz | but I have a strong suspicion |
| 20:46.47 | znf | netsh reset |
| 20:46.48 | znf | :D |
| 20:47.08 | Gnarfoz | didn't do that one |
| 20:47.35 | Gnarfoz | there were some "Winsock Layered Service Provider"s in play |
| 20:47.43 | Gnarfoz | I'm very inclined to blame them |
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| 20:48.31 | Gnarfoz | I used "API monitor v2" to get on this particular track |
| 20:48.51 | Gnarfoz | http://www.rohitab.com/apimonitor |
| 20:49.40 | Gnarfoz | but I also uninstalled some other old shit that wasn't relevant anymore, Palm drivers (yes, for an actual Palm PDA), Zune drivers (SAME, WTF) |
| 20:50.02 | Gnarfoz | saw some references to HP in autoruns and services, but no HP printers were in use anymore, so I gutted most of that as well |
| 20:50.23 | Gnarfoz | (one of them is hpzinw12.dll, "Dot4net module", well, who knows) |
| 20:57.15 | znf | huh, I have a gift https://i.imgur.com/cFd0AWV.png |
| 20:57.29 | Gnarfoz | yeah, bnet beta flagged people got that |
| 20:58.34 | wink | I read: everyone, but no clue |
| 20:58.59 | Megalon | non-beta people got it too |
| 21:06.21 | Gnarfoz | anyway, that API monitor thing made nslookup look like some 20 module/thread monstrosity |
| 21:06.27 | Gnarfoz | when it's normally a single one |
| 21:06.38 | Gnarfoz | because it was pumped full of DLL-injected things |
| 21:07.30 | Gnarfoz | (not sure if it was only the one, or more, but) |
| 21:07.36 | Gnarfoz | primarily: gfklspservice.dll |
| 21:07.53 | Gnarfoz | which is ironic, since GfK is kind of who I work for |
| 21:08.20 | Gnarfoz | (but not really, we're a daughter company) |
| 21:08.31 | Gnarfoz | anyway, as a market research company, they do stuff like... research what people buy |
| 21:08.35 | Gnarfoz | and how they like what they bought |
| 21:08.53 | Gnarfoz | and such crap |
| 21:09.59 | Gnarfoz | and my uncle (entirely unrelated to my job :P, he started doing that before I even had a job) was one of their... contributors? (well, they paid him for his troubles) I guess that technically makes him at least a contractor or something :P |
| 21:10.25 | Gnarfoz | anyway, he had a barcode scanner and regularly scanned all his shopping and answered questionnaires and shit |
| 21:10.58 | Gnarfoz | but he ragequit that like 2 years ago or so (after several years of doing it) because it was getting on his nerves, but of course, none of that software was ever uninstalled |
| 21:11.04 | Gnarfoz | (hardware detached, though) |
| 21:11.22 | Gnarfoz | that DLL is part of that software :| |
| 21:11.52 | Gnarfoz | and I found 5? Winsock LSPs with Systinernals Autoruns |
| 21:12.58 | Gnarfoz | all labeled "GacelaLSP over [MSAFD/TCPIP]" or /UDP or /TCPv6 or whatever |
| 21:14.56 | Gnarfoz | https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev/201507/msg00199.html this suggests that that's rather invasive |
| 21:14.58 | Gnarfoz | (no shit) |
| 21:15.34 | nevcairiel | the more interesting question, why did they start breaking his internet now |
| 21:16.08 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's the only bit I can't quite pin down, if this was actually the culprit (which I'm rather convinced of) |
| 21:16.52 | Gnarfoz | similar information could be found for nuragolspservice.dll, which is part of GfK Internet Monitor (which he doesn't and never had installed)... but Nurago is... nowadays... also a daughter company of GfK! :D |
| 21:17.11 | Gnarfoz | (and they're from Hannover as well, which is quite near to where mr. uncle lives, as well) |
| 21:17.44 | nevcairiel | basically, you work for evil internet breaking people? |
| 21:17.57 | Gnarfoz | no idea why a software that does "scan barcodes, upload report" and "auto-update self" needs to super-deep hook winsock |
| 21:18.06 | Gnarfoz | well, only indirectly. :D |
| 21:19.01 | Gnarfoz | I'm going to assume that either a certificate of some kind expired |
| 21:19.16 | Gnarfoz | or maybe MS security essentials or windows update broke it? |
| 21:19.37 | Gnarfoz | or it was actually terrible enough to have to speak to some internet server and that was turned off? (that doesn't really make much sense) |
| 21:20.28 | Gnarfoz | http://www.herdprotect.com/nuragolspservice64.dll-291ab8f89d2d8720c91db7323064c3c8461974eb.aspx not the correct DLL, but they do seem to have used relatively short certificate durations |
| 21:20.40 | Gnarfoz | (which should normally be considered a good thing (tm)) |
| 21:22.09 | Gnarfoz | who the hell even is gacela |
| 21:22.09 | nevcairiel | software certificates should not stop software from running if they expire, because that would be a terrible thing |
| 21:22.20 | Gnarfoz | well, if they know what timestamping is... |
| 21:23.07 | Gnarfoz | Primer: ^ |
| 21:23.48 | Gnarfoz | at this point, I'm of course just relieved I managed to fix it; sadly, as usual, the final breakthrough happened by virtue of doing several things at once, so you won't ever be sure what the problem was. |
| 21:24.48 | Gnarfoz | I could of course try and find out, among our 14k? employees if someone knows how that shit software worked :D |
| 21:28.45 | Gnarfoz | almost tempted to download that client and install it in a VM |
| 21:29.23 | Gnarfoz | installing the hyper-v option still replaces the kernel with a special one, doesn't it? |
| 21:29.39 | Gnarfoz | and disables speedstep and turboboost and such? |
| 21:29.54 | nevcairiel | think so, which is why i use vbox |
| 21:30.18 | Primer | interesting |
| 21:36.41 | Phixion | intersting, Gnarfoz |
| 21:43.29 | znf | I just pirate vmware |
| 21:43.48 | znf | vbox always managed to fuck me up |
| 21:44.11 | znf | same install works fine for a few months, then USB breaks randomly |
| 21:44.31 | znf | every time I gave it a chance it failed me :D |
| 21:46.21 | nevcairiel | i use it at least a couple times a week and its been fine |
| 21:46.50 | znf | I depend on the USB functionality most of the time, and that's the only thing breaking |
| 21:46.59 | znf | otherwise it works fine |
| 21:47.01 | nevcairiel | i dont think i ever use that |
| 21:47.16 | znf | it randomly decides to stop attaching stuff to the vm |
| 21:50.16 | znf | it's weird because it detaches the usb device from the host, tries to attach it to the guest, but nothing happens |
| 21:50.18 | znf | just errors out |
| 21:50.26 | znf | saying that the device is busy most of the time |
| 21:53.36 | Gnarfoz | well, NOT TODAY, in any case. |
| 21:53.41 | Gnarfoz | enough digging for one dayh |
| 21:54.04 | Gnarfoz | I'm kind of amazed I coud even track it down, in the end |
| 21:55.06 | Gnarfoz | (even though there still remains the "why now?"... I guess when I'm bored enough to figure that out, I should grab the old installer of that software from his PC. a more recent one would have a non-zero chance of not having this problem) |
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| 22:35.57 | znf | ...how the fuck do I check if my macbook has video hardware decoder |
| 22:41.18 | znf | CPU is supposed to have it enabled https://ark.intel.com/products/53449/Intel-Core-i5-2415M-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_90-GHz |
| 22:49.05 | Gnarfoz | run mpchc and check in lav's filter page... oh wait |
| 22:49.33 | znf | ... |
| 22:49.34 | znf | dick |
| 22:49.58 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure using your dick will help |
| 22:50.06 | znf | vlc has a checkmark for it |
| 22:50.14 | znf | but it's still using 50% CPU to play a video :-| |
| 22:50.34 | Gnarfoz | ask Torhal, finally his adherence to the dark side could be useful |
| 22:52.00 | Torhal | Hardly. I give zero fucks about that stuff. |
| 22:53.22 | Gnarfoz | you are very stingy with your fucks |
| 22:54.15 | Gnarfoz | some people give fucks left and right! ;D |
| 23:03.57 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 23:06.05 | Gnarfoz | now I want to watch SG-1 |
| 23:14.18 | znf | I should go to sleep |
| 23:14.24 | Primer | JAFFA CREE! |
| 23:14.28 | znf | got a mechanic appointment at 8:30 |
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