| 00:04.21 | Gnarfoz | https://twitter.com/OpenZFS/status/921042446275944448 appears they're not totally deaf, then |
| 00:05.06 | quiescens | moo |
| 00:06.57 | znf | :o |
| 00:08.05 | znf | most importantly https://twitter.com/mahrens1/status/921937036692537344 |
| 00:22.07 | Gnarfoz | time for Discovery |
| 00:23.29 | quiescens | gives Gnarfoz a cookie |
| 00:26.21 | Torhal | gives quiescens a tribble. |
| 00:29.11 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 01:08.21 | znf | is it on netflix yet? |
| 01:10.11 | znf | I derped |
| 01:10.20 | znf | I went to put vodka + juice in the glass |
| 01:10.25 | znf | I forgot the vodka |
| 01:38.27 | ls- | Torhal: https://www.instagram.com/p/BaQlUrGA9V1/ @_@ |
| 01:40.14 | Torhal | I'm convinced you need an OwlCow, ls-. |
| 01:40.31 | Funkeh` | hah |
| 01:41.01 | ls- | damn, shame that word cowl is already taken >_> |
| 01:41.08 | quiescens | o.o |
| 01:41.15 | Torhal | :D |
| 01:42.28 | ls- | cow-l or c-owl, depends on cow to owl ration o_O |
| 01:43.34 | Torhal | Or maybe just an owl which rides cows. |
| 01:44.49 | ls- | you forgot a cat |
| 01:44.58 | ls- | a cat that sleeps on cow's back |
| 01:45.21 | Torhal | Plausible. |
| 01:45.42 | ls- | https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/cat-sleeping-on-cow-jerry-shulman.jpg |
| 01:47.15 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 01:47.28 | ls- | owlet would make this pic even better |
| 01:49.05 | Funkeh` | what about a towelette |
| 01:49.15 | nebula | only if it's moist |
| 01:49.36 | ls- | nah, I prefer moist owlettes :p |
| 01:49.51 | Funkeh` | dude, Im out |
| 02:05.27 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.28 | znf | erm |
| 02:06.43 | quiescens | o.o |
| 02:07.32 | znf | shhht quiescens |
| 02:07.44 | quiescens | ): |
| 02:33.49 | znf | >say a |
| 02:33.51 | Catal1na | a |
| 02:34.07 | Torhal | >pickle znf's liver |
| 02:34.21 | ls- | >say moo |
| 02:34.21 | Catal1na | Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 02:34.36 | ls- | >_> |
| 02:34.45 | quiescens | gives ls- a cookie |
| 02:35.11 | znf | bah, I'll never understand the fucking performance issues with ZFS + NFS and async/sync |
| 02:35.12 | ls- | thanks quiescens |
| 02:37.48 | znf | I should be getting insane write speeds, but: 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB, 1.0 GiB) copied, 115.638 s, 9.3 MB/s |
| 02:38.36 | znf | >say a |
| 02:38.36 | Catal1na | a |
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| 02:43.46 | znf | hmm, even weirder is that I get decent-ish speeds outside of the VM |
| 02:45.02 | znf | BAH |
| 02:45.22 | znf | fuck who configured this shit so badly 3 years ago :( |
| 02:45.37 | quiescens | you! |
| 02:45.45 | znf | I wasn't working here 3 years ago :P |
| 02:46.02 | znf | I wouldn't have used qcow2 over nfs/zfs, I would have used raw files, for example |
| 02:46.06 | znf | or iscsi... |
| 02:46.08 | znf | or gluster... |
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| 02:48.26 | znf | why I can't understand is why adding a log device and forcing sync writes degrades performance instead of actually increasing it |
| 02:49.22 | znf | by all accounts, forcing sync writes should write the data to the log device (which is a SSD), then every tgx_sync interval the data should be written to the actual physical disks that form the pool |
| 02:49.57 | znf | instead, setting sync=disabled improves write performance by 2x-3x |
| 02:51.27 | quiescens | i don't really know of any setup where sync writes would increase performance over async |
| 02:53.57 | znf | basically: https://www.ateamsystems.com/tech-blog/solved-performance-issues-with-freebsd-zfs-backed-esxi-storage-over-nfs/ |
| 02:54.33 | znf | quiescens: sync writes *should* in theory complete faster on a flash device compared with the platter disks |
| 02:55.42 | znf | so technically the best solution would be to just "hack" the kernel |
| 02:55.44 | znf | which is stupid as fuck |
| 02:55.55 | znf | also impossible to do in my case because it's in production |
| 02:56.15 | quiescens | where does that say anything about it being good to force sync writes? |
| 02:56.32 | quiescens | it seems to be talking about various ways to forcibly disable synced writes |
| 02:57.12 | znf | well, if we'd take nfs out of the ecuation, forcing sync=always would improve the write speeds by shitloads |
| 02:57.43 | znf | I don't remember where I read it, I've read so many shits about this |
| 02:58.28 | quiescens | you think writes are faster if you disable the ability to cache them, and force every single block to be fully written before returning control to the calling program? |
| 02:59.46 | znf | I'm honestly not sure anymore |
| 03:03.18 | Torhal | sync-writes quiescens. |
| 03:03.27 | quiescens | dies. |
| 03:03.42 | znf | I don't understand the initial design decision that was put in place for this system |
| 03:03.53 | znf | they added 2x120GB SSDs for the ZIL/SLOG |
| 03:04.01 | znf | but sync was set to disabled for the whole pool |
| 03:04.09 | znf | basically they were never touched |
| 03:21.47 | znf | but, regardless of these issues |
| 03:22.27 | znf | I still don't understand why I am able to maxx out the 1Gbps link when testing from the vm host, but when testing from the vm itself, all goes to shit :( |
| 03:23.48 | quiescens | iuno what issues you're talking about |
| 03:24.13 | quiescens | o.o |
| 03:24.41 | znf | uh, wait a second |
| 03:25.00 | znf | changing the txg interval made my ioping produce decent results |
| 03:25.07 | znf | ie: below 1ms replies |
| 03:25.07 | znf | :o |
| 03:25.26 | znf | avg. of 1.49ms |
| 03:25.28 | znf | this is good |
| 03:25.30 | znf | this is very good, quiescens |
| 03:25.43 | quiescens | i just don't get how you ended up with the idea that forcing syncs makes things faster ^^ |
| 03:26.46 | znf | quiescens: forcing sync writes the data to the slot (ssd) first, before writing it to the physical disks |
| 03:26.51 | znf | s/slot/slog/ |
| 03:28.10 | quiescens | it does, yes, but having sync left to application or disabled means it leaves data in ram until it is written |
| 03:28.47 | quiescens | the purpose of having an SSD for write log, is so that when something does request a synced write, it can sync it to the write log and pretend that the data is synced |
| 03:29.55 | znf | yeah, I got it now |
| 03:30.09 | ls- | quiescens: https://instagram.com/p/BakZ8PMAAqZ/ |
| 03:30.13 | ls- | ):3 |
| 03:30.23 | quiescens | moo o.o |
| 03:30.46 | ls- | mo.o :D |
| 03:31.38 | znf | I'm curious how this will work out once it fills up the whole l2arc |
| 03:31.55 | znf | now that I've added an extra 180G to it |
| 03:32.29 | znf | technically I should just remove the slog completely, no point in using it at all |
| 03:34.16 | znf | yes, I know I'm rambling |
| 03:34.30 | znf | I don't have a rubber duck here, so I'm using an irc-quiescens |
| 03:49.26 | ls- | znf: not a rubber duck, but still cute and produces kinda similar sounds https://instagram.com/p/Baer_3UA8mz/ |
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| 04:22.39 | znf | now I'm curious as fuck about Riverdale |
| 04:22.42 | znf | all Torhal's fault :( |
| 04:26.06 | znf | mmmkay, I feel like I was productive tonight |
| 04:26.09 | znf | time to go to sleep |
| 04:26.23 | znf | apparently I have a conference call in 2 hours and 30 and I would like to somehow bail on it |
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| 14:21.03 | Gnarfoz | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ototok-your-voice-on-the-road-car-bluetooth#/ "prototype stage" :( |
| 14:22.05 | znf | lol |
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| 15:24.56 | Gnarfoz | huh, looks like Drive Bender is un-dead now |
| 15:26.41 | quiescens | o.O |
| 15:30.46 | znf | just in time for halloween |
| 15:34.30 | Gnarfoz | well, a bit longer than just now, I only learned it now ;-) |
| 15:37.24 | Gnarfoz | and why is there no 10 Gbit/s USB 3.1 external 3.5" HDD enclosure? ^^ |
| 15:37.36 | Gnarfoz | (well, for 8 or more drives, that is) |
| 15:40.21 | znf | https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/22/16516828/essential-phone-price-cut-499-android |
| 15:40.22 | znf | hahaha |
| 15:44.53 | Gnarfoz | what'd they expect ^^ |
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| 15:59.42 | quiescens | moo |
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| 17:55.47 | znf | hey Stanzilla |
| 17:55.49 | znf | wanna see my desktop? |
| 17:56.39 | Primer | Don't do it. It's a dick pic. |
| 17:57.07 | znf | is not :( |
| 17:57.12 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/tmjyKr2.png |
| 17:57.25 | Megalon | holy asperger |
| 17:57.41 | wink | I see a "CCleaner" icon |
| 17:57.50 | wink | couldnt that.. like, clean the desktop? :D |
| 17:58.05 | znf | I never see it :D |
| 17:58.24 | znf | I have the icons hidden, usually: https://i.imgur.com/JtDVcVx.png |
| 17:58.36 | wink | what happens when there's one more icon? |
| 17:58.40 | wink | will they stack? |
| 17:58.46 | wink | you'll never find anythin again! |
| 17:58.53 | Megalon | the already go on on the right side |
| 17:58.55 | Megalon | if you look :P |
| 17:59.02 | wink | haha |
| 17:59.02 | znf | yup |
| 17:59.11 | znf | one time Fences crashed |
| 17:59.17 | wink | wait,wait |
| 17:59.24 | znf | and they were like 2-3 one over the other |
| 17:59.24 | wink | simply get a bigger screen! |
| 17:59.32 | znf | I will |
| 17:59.39 | znf | but 27" screens are fucking expensive |
| 17:59.49 | wink | I also have 68, because I've started dumping screenshots there |
| 18:00.10 | wink | but that's like.. only 1/4 of space |
| 18:00.15 | Primer | People actually use desktop icons to stat programs? |
| 18:00.22 | znf | nah |
| 18:00.28 | Primer | start, even |
| 18:00.29 | wink | I started doing that a while ago, yes |
| 18:00.31 | wink | i.e. games |
| 18:00.36 | wink | nothing elese |
| 18:01.01 | wink | all those "login once daily for reward" MMOs for example |
| 18:01.02 | Megalon | you peoplz are weird |
| 18:01.41 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/OLvpBQK.png |
| 18:02.34 | Megalon | "items accessed in the last month: 2" |
| 18:02.36 | Megalon | probably :P |
| 18:03.02 | Megalon | you only need optenttd anyway |
| 18:03.06 | Megalon | makes days disappear |
| 18:03.33 | znf | I keep that in check |
| 18:03.37 | znf | I only open it once per year |
| 18:06.16 | wink | I might be weird, but I have several input methods :P |
| 18:06.24 | wink | a) I hardly use the start menu |
| 18:06.40 | wink | b) I use launchy, for Portableapps, files, etc.pp |
| 18:06.50 | wink | c) I have all the daily used apps pinned |
| 18:07.04 | wink | d) I start games via desktop icon |
| 18:07.42 | wink | but to be fair. on this machine I hardly use any non-pinned applications, especially those from the start menu |
| 18:08.12 | znf | start menu is my way of running things |
| 18:08.24 | znf | I never got the appeal of portable apps |
| 18:08.35 | wink | oneclick update once a month |
| 18:08.46 | znf | pft, why update :P |
| 18:08.49 | wink | ... |
| 18:09.06 | znf | Hexchat updates itself. Chrome updates itself. |
| 18:09.15 | znf | My KiTTY can be updated once in a blue moon, who cares |
| 18:09.25 | Primer | Your back door updates itself too |
| 18:09.26 | znf | b.net updates itself |
| 18:10.09 | znf | what other programs do you actually use on a daily basis? |
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| 19:49.53 | znf | wth is up with the break on orville? |
| 19:49.55 | znf | >tv orville |
| 19:49.57 | Catal1na | The Orville 2017 (Running). Previous Episode: [1x6] Krill on 2017-10-12 (042 weeks). Next Episode: [1x7] Majority Rule on 2017-10-26 (033 days). http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/20263/the-orville |
| 19:55.17 | EthanCentaurai | it's school holidays; prime time TV |
| 19:55.23 | EthanCentaurai | at least in england it is :V |
| 19:55.37 | EthanCentaurai | i don't know how it works in znufftopia |
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| 20:01.01 | znf | ...damn it |
| 20:01.02 | znf | stupid tv |
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| 21:04.55 | Megalon | i haz unclaimed gifts |
| 21:05.02 | Megalon | plz give gifty gifts blizzard |
| 21:06.26 | EthanCentaurai | i have a free heartstone pack |
| 21:12.28 | Megalon | took two attempts for that window to show anything |
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| 22:27.18 | Megalon | https://www.google.at/search?hl=de&q=translate+kernseife |
| 22:27.21 | Megalon | nice |
| 22:27.56 | Funkeh` | my whole life working up to finally getting this battle net gift |
| 22:28.05 | Funkeh` | my life is now complete |
| 22:28.16 | Megalon | now you can die in peace |
| 22:28.26 | Funkeh` | I'm already dead |
| 22:28.29 | Megalon | or deye in pieces |
| 22:28.32 | Megalon | dye |
| 22:28.36 | Megalon | whatever floats your boat |
| 22:56.03 | quiescens | gasp |
| 22:56.11 | quiescens | the appear offline option |
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| 23:31.39 | znf | nevcairiel: Gnarfoz - would this https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/professional-ssds/pro-6000p-series/pro-6000p-256gb-m-2-80mm-3d1.html work with this https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-2-5in-Adapter-Converter-SAT32M225/dp/B00ITJ7WDC?th=1 |
| 23:32.28 | nevcairiel | how would you ever expect that to work |
| 23:32.31 | Gnarfoz | that adapter is labeled "msata" |
| 23:32.32 | nevcairiel | one is m2, the other is msata |
| 23:32.59 | Gnarfoz | and even though there's a m.2 model, that's m.2 sata, but the ssd is m.2 pcie |
| 23:33.39 | nevcairiel | even if such an adapter could work (it really can't), it would be rather dumb to put two pcie nvme ssds on a single sata port =p |
| 23:37.31 | znf | I think I linked the wrong one |
| 23:38.17 | nevcairiel | the only kind of adapter a pcie ssd fits into is a pcie card with a m2 slot =p |
| 23:38.20 | znf | https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-2-5in-Adapter-Converter-SAT32M225/dp/B00ITJ7U20?th=1 |
| 23:38.30 | nevcairiel | not going to work |
| 23:38.53 | nevcairiel | it would only accept M.2 SATA drives |
| 23:38.57 | nevcairiel | not PCIe |
| 23:39.20 | znf | bah |
| 23:40.08 | quiescens | stop trying break everything znf o.o |
| 23:40.35 | znf | so this would work, right? https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/professional-ssds/pro-5450s-series/pro-5450s-256gb-m-2-80mm-6gbps-3d2.html |
| 23:41.17 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 23:41.58 | znf | meh, these things don't have enough pci ports! https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRT-HIBQF.cfm |
| 23:41.59 | znf | :( |
| 23:42.56 | znf | also, question - do these 256GB SSDs have no default over provisioning? |
| 23:42.59 | znf | or they do? |
| 23:43.46 | nevcairiel | usually a bit, but if you value absolute performance consistency its usually best to keep a bit of spare room |
| 23:44.01 | nevcairiel | would need to check full reviews of those models |
| 23:44.15 | znf | I always assumed that 240GB SSDs are 256GB ones that have 16GB of over-provisioning |
| 23:45.35 | znf | oh, kingston says exactly that https://www.kingston.com/us/ssd/overprovisioning |
| 23:46.56 | znf | cool, I learned new shit |
| 23:53.22 | znf | Torhal: man, that Cheryl is a real bitch in Riverdale |
| 23:53.34 | Torhal | lol |
| 23:53.36 | znf | I like it. |
| 23:53.45 | Torhal | Bitch, or psycho? |
| 23:53.46 | Torhal | Or both? |
| 23:53.50 | znf | >gif both |
| 23:53.52 | Catal1na | https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o7aCRloybJlXpNjSU/giphy.gif?fingerprint=e1bb72ff59ee810e54555566774ff20f |
| 23:54.16 | znf | I still feel like the twins were fucking |
| 23:54.34 | Torhal | I definitely got a GoT vibe. |
| 23:55.10 | znf | the hand holding and her sitting on his bed and shit like that, yeah |
| 23:55.17 | znf | like WAY too close |
| 23:59.23 | Funkeh` | hollywood, what to expect |
| 23:59.33 | Funkeh` | must have incest is the new must have gay couple |
| 23:59.43 | znf | there's also a gay dude, so yeah |
| 23:59.50 | znf | also, is TV considered hollywood? :P |
