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| 11:13.35 | Timmeh | h..hello? is this the internet? |
| 11:13.39 | Timmeh | WAOW INTERNET |
| 11:13.50 | quiescens | gives Timmeh a cookie |
| 11:14.00 | Timmeh | noms cookie o/ |
| 11:14.07 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 11:16.07 | Timmeh | how is the World of World of Warcraft nowadays? |
| 11:16.22 | Timmeh | should I consider coming back when I have my own internet and don't leech off of neighbours' anymore? |
| 11:18.12 | wink | I can't comment |
| 11:18.20 | Timmeh | but you just did! |
| 11:18.27 | quiescens | report him |
| 11:18.29 | wink | was ok in April until it wasn't |
| 11:18.52 | wink | if you didn't try Legion yet, you should. |
| 11:18.57 | wink | I found it 347% better than WoD |
| 11:19.06 | wink | except professions |
| 11:19.40 | Timmeh | I honestly kind of expected to have received a "come back and try for one month" email from Blizzard by now |
| 11:19.53 | quiescens | i feel like professions practically unavoidably get out of hand once a game has had a few expansions |
| 11:20.38 | wink | quiescens: no, it was 100% fine until they made you do so many dungeons per 1 prof.. and then the discoveries and meh |
| 11:20.54 | wink | I know the old system of "just buy/grind mats" had its flaws |
| 11:21.02 | wink | but it was predictable for 10 years... |
| 11:21.16 | wink | I loved having every prof at max-level, on the army of alts |
| 11:21.20 | wink | in Legion that was kinda nuts |
| 11:21.31 | nevcairiel | you run those dungeons anyway, i dont get that argument |
| 11:21.38 | wink | I brought liek 5 to max level and didnt have enough money to max >2 profs |
| 11:22.07 | wink | nevcairiel: but not in the correct order, all the time, then sometimes it's a special thing, then sometimes it needs ot be mythic, etc. |
| 11:22.24 | wink | if I max-level alt #5 I maybe don't want to run mythicns with randoms |
| 11:22.29 | nevcairiel | so change the order, its not magic =p |
| 11:22.36 | wink | I found it annoying |
| 11:22.40 | wink | I hate 5 man content |
| 11:22.46 | nevcairiel | and if you level a char just to have professions, your concept is perhaps flawed =p |
| 11:22.46 | wink | and I don't raid anymore. |
| 11:22.53 | wink | not JUST to have professions |
| 11:23.10 | wink | I'm just saying how I played the gamne, with alts, with professions was 100% until MoP |
| 11:23.20 | wink | and then in Legion at latest it didnt work anymore |
| 11:23.24 | Timmeh | glad to see the age old discussions about these kinds of things still exist :-P |
| 11:23.27 | wink | :D |
| 11:24.03 | nevcairiel | if you can just reach max level and visit one trainer and be the utmost expert at an profession, it entirely devalues the whole thing |
| 11:24.57 | nevcairiel | (wod, basically) |
| 11:25.49 | Timmeh | I stopped raiding at 17 february 2015, I stopped playing WoW 24 february 2015 (just found my announcement posts to the guild :-D) |
| 11:25.51 | wink | if you are in relatively ok pre-raid-gear already (i.e soent a while at maxlevel) and are stuck 20 points short of max and run out of money, it also sucks |
| 11:25.57 | Timmeh | I believe that was just before 6.1.0 hit |
| 11:26.26 | nevcairiel | the thing is, in legion its mostly pointless to force yourself to max profession skill |
| 11:26.36 | nevcairiel | it doesn't really give you anything, except a hole in your pocket |
| 11:26.44 | wink | see, so another downside :P |
| 11:26.49 | nevcairiel | if you actually use the profession it eventually comes anyway |
| 11:27.20 | wink | I think professions were one of the things to keep you busy, with a few perks |
| 11:27.34 | wink | mandatory rerolling to JC is thankfully a thing of the past, or something |
| 11:27.58 | wink | so I'd say 90% of the people could just use or ignore professions without minmaxing |
| 11:28.04 | wink | and I think Legion killed that |
| 11:28.10 | wink | it was not fun anymore, jsut a moneysink |
| 11:28.18 | quiescens | there was always a problem of wanting to have the professions be useful even if you have top end gear |
| 11:28.20 | wink | it takes away from the game, if you enjoy fidddling |
| 11:28.28 | quiescens | yet, not wanting to give people top end equipment without raiding |
| 11:28.34 | wink | quiescens: agreed, btu different problems. you COULD jsut ignore it. |
| 11:28.36 | nevcairiel | professions were never really "fun" to begin with |
| 11:28.43 | wink | nevcairiel: your take, not mine :P |
| 11:28.47 | nevcairiel | and you can still just ignore it, what do you lose? |
| 11:29.01 | wink | just look at GW2 - there's so much stuff to do, and everything even gives some XP |
| 11:29.13 | nevcairiel | (also, if you have the appropriate gathering profession, you dont need to spend a dime) |
| 11:29.14 | Gnarfoz | that also doesn't have a pve endgame worth speaking of |
| 11:29.23 | quiescens | i didn't like the itemization in gw2 |
| 11:29.27 | quiescens | at least, when i played it |
| 11:29.28 | wink | I don't think professions were broken before Legion (except WoD, bnut garrisons, not profs per se) |
| 11:29.39 | nevcairiel | they were also utterly boring =p |
| 11:29.41 | wink | they were maybe uninteresting to some |
| 11:29.50 | quiescens | it was like, hey look a new higher level item, it has the exact same proportions of stats as my previous item except incremented by 1-2 |
| 11:29.54 | wink | but I think they're worse off now |
| 11:30.00 | Gnarfoz | they weren't broken at any point, you just have an opinion somewhere between like and don't like |
| 11:30.12 | nevcairiel | outside of alchemy and JC, you never really could make anything with a permanent demand |
| 11:30.15 | wink | quiescens: I like that. it's simple ;) my problem is that you ony ever use Berserker's or Condi damage... |
| 11:30.17 | Gnarfoz | they're various levels of useful to different kinds of players |
| 11:30.17 | nevcairiel | not that this really changed much |
| 11:30.19 | nevcairiel | but you know |
| 11:30.33 | Timmeh | so all professions have something permanently interesting now? |
| 11:30.42 | Gnarfoz | depends on what you do with them |
| 11:30.55 | Timmeh | right |
| 11:31.02 | Gnarfoz | nobody can answer this for you :D |
| 11:31.06 | Timmeh | :-D |
| 11:31.13 | quiescens | leather ball is best |
| 11:31.25 | Gnarfoz | Ermad:Â have you considered an option to persist the filters in AWQ across sessions? |
| 11:31.25 | Timmeh | I'll probably start off watching some Twitch streams, see if I like what I see |
| 11:31.28 | nevcairiel | at least crafted gear has been meaningful for far longer this expansion |
| 11:31.34 | Timmeh | and then I'll decide whether I will bother |
| 11:31.38 | Gnarfoz | especially if you don't raid |
| 11:31.43 | nevcairiel | and every profession can make obliterum to upgrade it |
| 11:31.56 | Gnarfoz | (see above: usefulness varies depending on other factors) |
| 11:31.58 | Timmeh | when is the next expansion due? 2018 or 2019? :-D |
| 11:32.02 | nevcairiel | 18 |
| 11:32.03 | wink | nevcairiel: you can also look at it from an achievement/self-sufficiency angle. Before you could (with some time and money) just max every profession and make stuff you needed. Nobody was forced to do that. but now it's a lot less feasible |
| 11:32.19 | Timmeh | maybe I'll end up waiting for just before the next expansion then, we'll see |
| 11:32.21 | wink | nevcairiel: not saying it's the *smartest* idea, especially with BoP patterns, etc. but to some people that was fun. |
| 11:33.11 | wink | and I just don't like the fact that they changed ti so much, after so many years. |
| 11:33.14 | nevcairiel | i dont think its really unfeasible, so you need to run a few dungeons, but not like thats really a hard thing to do |
| 11:33.49 | nevcairiel | personally i really like that professions got some meaningful quests attached to them |
| 11:34.11 | quiescens | craft 5 daggers and return to them to me |
| 11:34.12 | quiescens | lols |
| 11:35.06 | Megalon | daggers quiescens |
| 11:35.17 | quiescens | dies. |
| 11:35.42 | Torhal | crafts five daggers, and uses them to kill quiescens 20 times in order to gather 5 of his ears. |
| 11:35.52 | quiescens | dies. |
| 11:36.46 | Timmeh | conjures a resuscitating cookie and throws it at quiescens. |
| 11:37.16 | nevcairiel | ultimately recipes have always dropped in dungeons or even raids to some degree, so if you really wanted to "complete" a profession, you were going there anyway =p |
| 11:38.30 | wink | 100% completeness is insane anyway |
| 11:38.36 | wink | I've been trying since vanilla |
| 11:38.46 | wink | and only got to 80% of LW recipes |
| 11:38.53 | wink | even with raiding and spending a lot of money |
| 11:38.58 | wink | (until MoP, that is) |
| 11:39.03 | Torhal | renews quiescens for season 2, cancels Megalon due to budgetary reasons. |
| 11:39.12 | wink | lol |
| 11:39.20 | Kalroth | you should sell quiescens to Hulu |
| 11:39.31 | quiescens | ): |
| 11:39.38 | wink | I think Megalon would be not fit for public broadcasting anyway |
| 11:39.51 | Kalroth | 5 mins of ads, 2 mins of quiescens, 4 mins of ads, 2 mins of LOUD ads, 3 mins of quiescens, 5 mins of ads |
| 11:39.57 | Kalroth | the hulu experience |
| 11:40.02 | wink | never tried it |
| 11:40.38 | Megalon | what |
| 11:41.21 | Timmeh | I heard GoT season 7 has been pirated over 1 billion times |
| 11:41.29 | Timmeh | quiescens: how many times have you been pirated? |
| 11:42.13 | Torhal | He gave away all the tracking cookies, so he has no clue. |
| 11:42.23 | wink | I think quiescens dies if removed from natural habitat |
| 11:42.24 | quiescens | that 1 billion thing was a bit silly, it was like, adding up each episode's numbers or something wasn't it? |
| 11:42.36 | wink | haha |
| 11:42.44 | Timmeh | no clue, I only read the title(s) of the article(s) |
| 11:42.52 | wink | who would ever watch a whole season? |
| 11:43.43 | Megalon | guess they count every segment on a torrent as 1 pirate |
| 11:45.40 | quiescens | its just obviously saying season 7 was pirated x times implies the whole thing was pirated that many times, rather than there were x times involving some part of season 7 |
| 11:45.45 | quiescens | but shrugs |
| 11:50.07 | mitch0 | ~toc |
| 11:50.07 | purl | The current WoW interface number is 70300, or magical, or apparently very complex. |
| 11:51.08 | mitch0 | anyone running Bazooka with latest patch? can I just tag a new release? :) |
| 12:14.57 | Gnarfoz | seems to work |
| 12:16.11 | Timmeh | quiescens: you did successfully avoid answering how many times you have been pirated! |
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| 12:58.08 | Torhal | He'll most likely kill you in the morning, Timmeh. |
| 13:02.31 | Timmeh | :-( |
| 13:26.05 | Kalroth | i've pirated him at least twice |
| 13:32.23 | nebula | they summed each ep having like 150 million downloads to get that number, so it's a bit silly |
| 13:32.29 | nebula | how they got the ep counts, who knows |
| 13:48.17 | znf | fuck this auto-grouping shit |
| 13:48.22 | znf | rare was at 5% |
| 13:48.31 | znf | the last guy in the group left, leaving me to get ported back to my realm |
| 13:49.23 | nevcairiel | there is no auto-grouping in the game, you did this to yourself =p |
| 13:49.36 | Semlar | the realm-hopping feature was a mistake |
| 13:50.35 | Semlar | they should never have added the ability to simply jump around to different realms to check different spawns |
| 13:50.59 | znf | it's not about spawns |
| 13:51.07 | znf | you should really start playing again, you're out of touch |
| 13:51.18 | Semlar | i am not out of touch, the ability to do that is what i'm talking about |
| 13:51.36 | znf | rares are the same on all realms |
| 13:51.46 | nevcairiel | stuff spawns all the time, you just group up to kill things faster instead of waiting for people to arrive on your own realm =p |
| 13:51.48 | Semlar | and yet you lost the mob you were attacking |
| 13:52.22 | znf | yeah, because I got grouped up with some guys who were dicks and didn't leave the group after killing the rare on their realm |
| 13:52.39 | znf | so I joined in, I started attacking the rare, people joined in (ungrouped) |
| 13:52.45 | znf | then the last guy who was in my group disbanded it |
| 13:52.48 | znf | and I got ported back to my realm |
| 13:53.10 | znf | which is weird, because you usually get left behind on the previous realm |
| 13:53.36 | Semlar | my point is that you should not be able to go to a different server to attack a different mob in the first place, it's not that it doesn't exist on your own realm |
| 13:54.26 | silentium | so you decided to stay grouped with people you didn't play with (any more) before attacking a spawned mob on a realm which is not yours |
| 13:54.43 | znf | the rares hit hard and are slow to kill because they have 120+ mil HP |
| 13:55.05 | znf | silentium, I got ported on another realm, where another group was already attacking the rare in cause |
| 13:55.30 | Semlar | the realm hopping system is inherently flawed, as you're complaining about how it works |
| 13:55.43 | znf | leaving/joining group is very inconsistent - sometimes it ports you back to your realm, most oftehn it doesn't |
| 13:56.43 | znf | that's why I didn't leave the group right away when I realized the people I was grouped with were not near me |
| 13:58.10 | znf | meanwhile, I haven't figured out yet all the buffs that are in the invasion points |
| 14:00.41 | znf | Mushroom Land has the stacking embedded spores, that get removed if you get near an energized vine; sometimes you actually need to click the energized vine in order to get spores, tough (but that doesn't seem to be working right) |
| 14:01.53 | znf | Fire Land has the circle-on-the-floor that gives you +50% damage/+100% healing if you stay in it, for 2 minutes |
| 14:02.20 | znf | Tree Land has the +75% haste trees |
| 14:02.43 | nevcairiel | blood land has that weird proc that mobs can also get =p |
| 14:02.52 | znf | Blood Land has the blood pools for +25% damage |
| 14:02.56 | znf | is there another one? |
| 14:03.23 | znf | I figure there's at least 2 types of buffs for each area |
| 14:03.36 | nevcairiel | i only know those things you can run over that give you a buff that makes you stack dots on anything you hit |
| 14:03.49 | nevcairiel | but the mobs can also get it, and that one type of mob always has it |
| 14:03.56 | znf | haven't noticed that one |
| 14:04.12 | znf | I only know of the blood pools that spawn from the blood collectors |
| 14:04.34 | znf | I'll look out for that next time |
| 14:06.37 | znf | this is the one I know of https://i.imgur.com/8zP0j3b.png |
| 14:08.28 | znf | how do you get the stacking dot one? |
| 14:09.28 | nevcairiel | you collect them on the ground |
| 14:09.40 | nevcairiel | gives you a 30s buff or so |
| 14:10.28 | znf | didn't see those at all, they might be exclusive tough (ie: you get one or the other) |
| 14:16.49 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/8zP0j3b.png |
| 14:16.51 | znf | FUCK THIS UI SHIT |
| 14:17.29 | znf | fucking shit blizzard frames and their protected crap |
| 14:18.42 | znf | can't fucking swap the fucking action bar in combat because... |
| 14:20.19 | znf | 1x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn 'ShadowedUnitFrames' tried to call the protected function 'CompactRaidFrameManager:originalHide()'. |
| 14:21.39 | znf | basically https://i.imgflip.com/1vih2n.jpg |
| 14:22.56 | ls- | I actually laughed irl, ty :D |
| 14:25.22 | nevcairiel | thats how i envision znf always looking w hen complaining |
| 14:27.01 | znf | the fucking combat restrictions are out of hand |
| 14:27.19 | znf | SuF breaks when I get into groups and I'm left without party frames because they can't be drawn in combat |
| 14:27.30 | znf | the fucking warframe can't give me the bar because of the same reason |
| 14:27.33 | nevcairiel | I never have such problems, you should l2computer |
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| 14:28.03 | znf | you mean your party frames are getting created corectly if it happens in combat? |
| 14:28.12 | znf | (without them being created previously out of combat) |
| 14:28.33 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 14:28.39 | nevcairiel | and vehicles also work for me |
| 14:29.41 | znf | they work most of the time... except when I'm in combat and I spawn them |
| 14:31.28 | znf | I'll disable my raid frames. See how that works out. |
| 14:31.51 | nevcairiel | my guess is that some random addon breaks shit |
| 14:36.44 | znf | always funny to see people dying on Doomcaster |
| 14:39.09 | znf | nevcairiel, https://i.imgur.com/1Zr2DgX.png |
| 14:39.09 | znf | nope |
| 14:39.15 | znf | my party frames still weren't drawn in combat |
| 14:39.25 | znf | the little ones are supposed to be the party's target |
| 14:39.41 | nevcairiel | so throw your broken UI away and start over |
| 14:39.43 | znf | and no lua errors |
| 14:39.47 | nevcairiel | mine always show up reliably |
| 14:40.32 | znf | mine shows in combat only if after a reload UI I had toggled the locking of the frames on/off |
| 14:41.06 | znf | I've had this issue with party frames since Cataclysm, I think |
| 14:41.48 | nevcairiel | then you should think about which other addons you have had since cataclysm and throw them away =p |
| 14:42.00 | znf | why no lua errors? |
| 14:42.47 | quiescens | why not? |
| 14:44.06 | znf | I'm quite confident that I can reproduce this with just SuF enabled |
| 14:44.32 | nevcairiel | mayhaps it just hates your face |
| 14:44.45 | nevcairiel | like I said, i never have such problems =p |
| 14:45.23 | quiescens | harsh o.o |
| 14:49.18 | znf | [17:48:57] Xal'atath whispers: Your allies consider me a bad influence. Yet all I've ever done is speed you along the path you chose. |
| 14:49.25 | znf | that's a line I've never seen from Xal'atath |
| 15:08.26 | znf | nevcairiel, yup, like I said, I can replicate it with just SuF |
| 15:08.40 | nevcairiel | shrug, works for me |
| 15:09.05 | nevcairiel | the UI just hates you |
| 15:10.18 | znf | new empty profile works |
| 15:10.49 | znf | so there's something about my SuF profile that doesn't want to create it in combat |
| 15:10.59 | znf | I'm not sure how to debug it further |
| 15:11.06 | znf | except giving you my profile and testing it out :P |
| 15:11.18 | nevcairiel | i dont care that much |
| 15:11.56 | znf | meanie :( |
| 15:13.01 | Megalon | you spelled sane person wrong |
| 15:13.11 | znf | he's the suf maintainer!!! |
| 15:14.53 | znf | it seems that when I'm attaching the party-frames to the Screeen breaks them |
| 15:15.01 | znf | if they're attached to the Player frames, they get created |
| 15:15.08 | znf | rings a bell, nevcairiel? |
| 15:15.45 | nevcairiel | i'm pretty sure mine are attached to the screen |
| 15:16.15 | znf | hmmm, attaching them to the screen in the middle works |
| 15:18.18 | znf | so, this doesn't work: https://i.imgur.com/5JtRtx2.png |
| 15:21.28 | znf | this works just fine: https://i.imgur.com/M6wQqJT.png |
| 15:25.43 | znf | I fixed. |
| 15:26.48 | znf | This works fine and looks the same https://i.imgur.com/J90F0jR.png |
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| 17:00.01 | Megalon | znf, breaker of things, sometimesfixerofthingshebrokeinthefirstplace |
| 17:02.29 | znf | can confirm, broke this https://i.imgur.com/wPqmmvg.png |
| 17:03.32 | znf | I managed to get below the world map, again |
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| 17:20.05 | znf | What is the buff in the tree-land where there are no trees to give you haste? :-/ |
| 17:25.14 | quiescens | tree-land o.o |
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| 19:18.17 | Megalon | it has id tree-fiddy |
| 19:20.29 | znf | nevcairiel, how do I make suf's raid frames keep groups together? |
| 19:21.28 | nevcairiel | just tell it to do that |
| 19:21.52 | znf | instructions unclear? https://i.imgur.com/HHHdzTg.png |
| 19:22.12 | znf | ain't I doing that already? |
| 19:23.57 | nevcairiel | if you want them separate like on the left, enable separate raid frames |
| 19:25.25 | nevcairiel | in your current config it keeps groups together, just doesnt stop when one finished |
| 19:25.59 | nevcairiel | ie. it puts them into one grid. if you want separate grids or rows/cols, use the separate option |
| 19:26.05 | znf | so how do I make them grow from top to bottom? |
| 19:26.15 | znf | ie: gr1 on 1st row, gr2 on 2nd row etc |
| 19:27.35 | nevcairiel | use col growth down, and row growth left or right |
| 19:28.37 | znf | been trying all sort of options, keeps bugging me that it moves around the frames showing weirdly |
| 19:29.05 | znf | there we go, finally |
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| 20:15.19 | pompy1 | http://www.wowhead.com/news=271462/argus-waystones-removed-in-hotfix |
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| 21:05.23 | znf | lol |
| 21:05.58 | znf | not even sure why they implemented that stupid currency |
| 21:07.38 | nevcairiel | feels like they had more plans |
| 21:11.14 | znf | so they just implemented those for a weekly quest? |
| 21:12.11 | nevcairiel | at some point you needed them to actually go into the big portal, but i think they got rid of that during ptr |
| 21:12.22 | znf | yup, they did |
| 21:12.31 | znf | still sounded like a shitty mechanic tough |
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| 22:43.04 | znf | Stanzilla, I want Power Word: Tentacles |
| 22:43.25 | Stanzilla | ok? |
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| 23:39.19 | Ermad | Gnarfoz: It was actually like that originally, I changed it for a reason that escapes me atm |
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