| 00:01.17 | znf | what the fuck |
| 00:01.23 | znf | systemrestore actually worked |
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| 00:40.42 | Stanzilla | znf: good job |
| 00:43.15 | Stanzilla | znf: how did you manage to break it |
| 00:43.24 | znf | Stanzilla, uninstalled a billion old shit |
| 00:43.49 | znf | had lots of old software I stopped using ages ago, they were just hanging around |
| 00:44.01 | znf | lucky me, the first thing I uninstalled was Skype, which created a restore point |
| 00:45.04 | znf | Stanzilla, ok, why is this showing up like this? http://i.imgur.com/9sq6oNJ.png |
| 00:45.06 | znf | see the gradient |
| 00:47.38 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 00:47.40 | Stanzilla | graphics drivers? |
| 00:47.41 | znf | ...gradient is gone if there are 4 rows of tasks |
| 00:48.09 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/02QshwY.png |
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| 06:21.59 | Phixion | morning |
| 06:24.31 | Megalon | guten morgens |
| 06:24.51 | Phixion | o/ |
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| 08:54.01 | Gnarfoz | 23:20:26Stanzillaznf: original vs auto https://gfycat.com/PopularLastingKoalabear <-- Original looked better oO |
| 08:54.38 | znf | no it didn't :-| |
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| 08:58.24 | Gnarfoz | auto version has blown out the sunset gradient |
| 08:58.42 | Gnarfoz | and the reflection on the water looks like it's white-clipping now |
| 08:59.09 | Gnarfoz | the trees on the left are improved, that's about it ^^ |
| 08:59.19 | Phixion | ^^ |
| 08:59.41 | Gnarfoz | and if you're bored enough to touch up pictures, I'd suggest trying to properly straighten the horizon manually with some deformation tool in GIMP or so |
| 09:00.10 | Gnarfoz | horizon --> shoreline, can't actually see the horizon |
| 09:01.10 | Gnarfoz | after rotation the left side is ok but now everything to the right of the middle looks off |
| 09:01.38 | Gnarfoz | that's my 3 ct, anyway, it's a matter of taste after all ^^ |
| 09:01.59 | znf | you're also forgetting that it's technically a gif which kind of lacks the color palette |
| 09:02.16 | znf | afaik Stanzilla's sharex is set to create gifs as opposed to webm |
| 09:02.25 | Gnarfoz | ugh, what |
| 09:02.26 | Gnarfoz | ok |
| 09:02.37 | Gnarfoz | you people and your fancy screenshot softwares |
| 09:02.38 | znf | I /could/ be wrong :P |
| 09:03.03 | Gnarfoz | I only use printscreen and paste |
| 09:03.18 | Gnarfoz | which is kind of hard at work because I didn't program a printscreen key on my Planck layout |
| 09:03.18 | znf | how are animations going for you with printscreen and paste? :P |
| 09:03.22 | Gnarfoz | I should really fix that :D |
| 09:03.34 | Gnarfoz | I have no need to capture animations on my screen and share them, so... fine, really |
| 09:03.42 | znf | that's because you can't! |
| 09:03.52 | znf | if you could, you would! |
| 09:03.54 | Gnarfoz | this is most certainly not a hen/egg problem |
| 09:04.04 | znf | ShareX master race |
| 09:04.10 | Gnarfoz | I would have done the right thing and uploaded before + after to screenshotcomparison.com :P |
| 09:04.27 | znf | I would have just linked the google photos |
| 09:04.35 | Gnarfoz | if I ever set up something like Greenshot or ShareX, I'll have to also set up some kind of image hosting on my server |
| 09:05.00 | znf | nah, imgur and gfycat iz best |
| 09:05.03 | Gnarfoz | got anything small that isn't 50 shades of nodejs/ruby/python? |
| 09:05.19 | Gnarfoz | they're really not, both of them actually suffer from overloading at primetime |
| 09:05.26 | Gnarfoz | and imgur recompresses your shit, too |
| 09:05.48 | znf | only if > 5MB |
| 09:06.23 | Gnarfoz | which is always the case when pasting 1920x1080 onto the site |
| 09:06.51 | Gnarfoz | (it's almost 1920x1080x24 is almost 6 MiB) |
| 09:07.00 | Gnarfoz | (-it's) |
| 09:07.08 | Gnarfoz | actually, -almost, too :P) |
| 09:07.27 | Gnarfoz | now, let me find a spot for printscreen in my layout... |
| 09:07.27 | znf | a bmp, maybe |
| 09:07.29 | znf | a png not... |
| 09:07.39 | Gnarfoz | clipboard isn't png |
| 09:07.58 | znf | I told you, you're doing it wrong |
| 09:08.06 | Gnarfoz | nah, imgur is cutting corners |
| 09:08.22 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/rvanM21.png |
| 09:08.30 | Gnarfoz | if they cared, they'd just compress to losless PNG all the time :P |
| 09:08.56 | znf | ofc it is, I don't want to see their bandwidth bill on amazon :-S |
| 09:09.11 | znf | probably more than a kidney/month |
| 09:09.44 | znf | actually, are they still on S3, I wonder |
| 09:11.07 | Gnarfoz | 42 PB of traffic in 2012 |
| 09:11.14 | Gnarfoz | that's 5 years ago |
| 09:13.16 | znf | >My top one was a gif, got 1.5+ million views and over 2,700 points. It was a standard GIF length - 15 seconds, and used 94.42TB of bandwidth. |
| 09:15.53 | Gnarfoz | well, GIFs *are* kind of ineffective. |
| 09:16.08 | znf | indeed they are |
| 09:16.26 | znf | too bad WebP didn't actually pick up |
| 09:16.32 | znf | so we're stuck with WebM now :( |
| 09:17.43 | Phixion | Gnarfoz: https://media.ccc.de/v/31c3_-_6325_-_de_-_saal_g_-_201412281600_-_gifs_tod_eines_mediums_und_sein_leben_nach_dem_tod_-_felix_mutze related :) |
| 09:17.55 | znf | why is that URL so long |
| 09:18.03 | Kalroth | thats what she said |
| 09:18.11 | Gnarfoz | because SEO cancer |
| 09:18.21 | Gnarfoz | also, you can just use WebP |
| 09:18.31 | Gnarfoz | does it actually do animation? I thought that's what WebM is for :D |
| 09:18.41 | znf | see https://developers.google.com/speed/webp/faq#why_should_i_use_animated_webp |
| 09:18.44 | Gnarfoz | https://www.zachleat.com/web/webp/ |
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| 09:19.30 | Gnarfoz | well, apparently the cases for static webp and animated webp are different |
| 09:19.58 | znf | I was specifically targetting animations and not just static images |
| 09:20.05 | znf | who uses gifs for static images these days anyway |
| 09:20.33 | znf | I'm just sorry that the web went towards the silly direction to replace/convert animated gifs to webm and mp4 instead of pushing forward to animated webp |
| 09:20.43 | Gnarfoz | well, I wasn't suggesting WebP to use instead of GIF; I thought the obvious replacement would be WebM |
| 09:21.00 | Gnarfoz | why? most animated GIFs these days are sourced from actual videos |
| 09:21.05 | Gnarfoz | why not keep them as videos :P |
| 09:21.22 | znf | see "Why not simply support WebM in <img>? |
| 09:21.22 | znf | " |
| 09:21.22 | znf | :P |
| 09:22.08 | Gnarfoz | isn't there <picture> or something, too |
| 09:22.28 | Gnarfoz | also, <img> + webm could simply be translated to <video> with controls and sound disabled |
| 09:22.33 | Gnarfoz | there, problem solved :D |
| 09:23.10 | znf | video decoder still feels slower to start-up than an image decoder |
| 09:23.28 | Kalroth | https://caniuse.com/#search=webp vs https://caniuse.com/#search=webm and they're solving the same problem (more or less) |
| 09:24.15 | znf | yeah, firefox was a bitch |
| 09:24.31 | znf | they went all cry-baby against webp |
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| 10:06.36 | Gnarfoz | "feels slower to start up"? I doubt that's how it works |
| 10:07.46 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla can I make chrome allow mixed content for a specific domain? |
| 10:07.54 | Gnarfoz | you can't |
| 10:08.00 | Gnarfoz | I tried :C |
| 10:08.32 | Fisker | :( |
| 10:08.43 | Fisker | Then I will have to Internet Explorer in the shade |
| 10:11.25 | znf | Gnarfoz, I've no idea about the technicality, but I'm assuming that it's more expensive resource-wise to start up a video decoder compared to an image decoder |
| 10:11.30 | znf | nevcairiel probably knows more about that |
| 10:11.43 | Gnarfoz | (it's also obviously the wrong approach, but hey. does Apple still not offer its iTunes cover images over https?) |
| 10:12.14 | Gnarfoz | znf:Â I'd assume that even if that's true, the difference is utterly negligible with current hardware |
| 10:13.15 | znf | while using Imagus in Chrome, it always feels slower to hover over a webm link than over a webp or gif link (transfer times not taken into account, as my Imagus preloads the data on page load) |
| 10:13.33 | Gnarfoz | https://caniuse.com/#feat=apng |
| 10:13.38 | znf | yeah, that thing is dead |
| 10:13.45 | Gnarfoz | more support than webp |
| 10:14.04 | Gnarfoz | look at Chrome going from red to green, too |
| 10:14.14 | znf | indeed, wasn't aware they included support for it recently |
| 10:14.33 | Gnarfoz | in any case, it seems that currently, doing something different for various browsers is still a thing |
| 10:14.34 | znf | wonder why the mobile chrome lags so much on features |
| 10:14.50 | znf | it took them months to properly implement position: sticky |
| 10:15.01 | znf | and their first try was... not exactly working :D |
| 10:16.11 | znf | (and the polyfills I tried to fix that were... dear god, horrible) |
| 10:49.53 | nebula | google caved and added apng support a few weeks ago, maybe firefox/safari will finally add webp (they've had "experimental" support for like a year now) |
| 10:59.59 | nebula | although apple went with apng for their ios stuff, so maybe not |
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| 11:40.19 | Gnarfoz | it has "a" in the name |
| 11:40.24 | Gnarfoz | clearly that's why |
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| 13:03.11 | Gnarfoz | lua> print("a") |
| 13:03.19 | Gnarfoz | hm, any lua bots still around? |
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| 14:33.14 | Phixion | :) |
| 14:33.20 | Phixion | hugs harl |
| 14:34.14 | harl | rehugs Phixion |
| 14:37.54 | Kalroth | such huggage |
| 15:00.50 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 17:26.30 | znf | Stanzilla, have youa ctually seen how easy is to get into the AMT thingie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-JIHZ5i-s0 |
| 17:28.19 | nevcairiel | everyone knows that, but its also very irrelevant for normal people =p |
| 17:28.35 | znf | I didn't realize it was /that/ easy |
| 17:28.52 | Gnarfoz | what do you expect, it's an authentication bypass vulnerability ^^ |
| 17:40.06 | Stanzilla | lots of people have laptops with it though |
| 17:41.07 | znf | I don't think the AMT on a laptop would be internet-accesible by default |
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| 17:41.31 | znf | isn't it like IPMI, having its own IP configuration? |
| 17:41.38 | znf | is clueless as to how AMT works |
| 17:42.28 | znf | also, I doubt it would work over WiFi |
| 17:42.28 | Stanzilla | same :D |
| 17:43.19 | znf | IPMI modules usually have their own IP configuration, sometimes even their dedicated ethernet port, but can usually be shared, too. |
| 17:43.55 | znf | yeah, it's separate |
| 17:50.31 | Gnarfoz | overlayed IP IPMI usually sucks tbh ^^ |
| 17:50.59 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: just because the laptops support vPro or AMT doesn't mean that it's actually usable |
| 17:54.56 | wink | [19:50:31] <Gnarfoz> IPMI usually sucks |
| 17:55.03 | wink | fixed it for you |
| 17:55.22 | wink | it'S either java or unusable or worse |
| 17:55.29 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 17:55.30 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 17:55.32 | Gnarfoz | IPMI isn't java |
| 17:55.37 | wink | (nothing against java, just vs java applets) |
| 17:55.42 | Gnarfoz | you're thinking of iKVM |
| 17:55.47 | Gnarfoz | and I've not seen java applet iKVM |
| 17:55.55 | wink | supermicro stuff |
| 17:55.58 | wink | like iLO but less nice |
| 17:56.14 | wink | hp, dell. supermicro, I'm always mixing them up |
| 17:56.22 | wink | and none of them was ever "awesome, this is fun to use" |
| 17:56.30 | quiescens | i blame znf |
| 17:56.36 | wink | safe bet |
| 17:56.56 | znf | Gnarfoz, how have you NOT seen java ikvm? |
| 17:56.59 | znf | that's all we have :-| |
| 17:57.03 | znf | what else is there?!?? |
| 17:57.03 | Gnarfoz | they're not applets. |
| 17:57.04 | znf | TALK TO ME |
| 17:57.10 | Gnarfoz | none of the ones wink listed |
| 17:57.18 | znf | well, either way it sucks, still java |
| 17:57.27 | znf | .jnlp whatever |
| 17:57.45 | wink | yeah what is it then? java web launch foo? |
| 17:57.55 | wink | doesn't change the fact that it's often java6 and sucks |
| 17:58.13 | Gnarfoz | "it's java6"? that doesn'tt make sense |
| 17:58.20 | wink | all the ops people usually complain they have to keep a jvm6 around |
| 17:58.29 | wink | just for ipmi/ilo/whatever |
| 17:58.44 | wink | wtf kind of hardware are you using? |
| 17:59.11 | wink | I saw my coworker use a "launch.jnlp" just today |
| 17:59.30 | wink | gladly I dont usually have to do that stuff right now |
| 17:59.38 | Gnarfoz | had to do dps |
| 18:00.44 | Gnarfoz | all of the ones listed above, supermicro, dell, hp, intel use java programs launched through java net launch (jnlp), but I don't think that counts as an applet, does it? isn't that just for integration into websites? |
| 18:00.57 | znf | it's still java :P |
| 18:01.02 | znf | and you still have to add shit to the exception list |
| 18:01.11 | znf | and then it takes 5 clicks to run the shit |
| 18:01.13 | wink | the problem is that they all suck. and often dont work with current JVMs |
| 18:01.15 | Gnarfoz | and "it's java6" doesn't make sense; maybe those ops people you know need to update their IPMI firmwares, so they work with java7 or newer |
| 18:01.27 | znf | wink, mine work with the latest jvm |
| 18:01.29 | znf | and I have antiqued servers |
| 18:01.41 | wink | that's good to hear, I've heard the opposite :P |
| 18:02.08 | znf | java version "1.8.0_121" is what I have now (I know, not updated) |
| 18:02.19 | znf | and they work with anything |
| 18:02.28 | znf | tough I'm curious about how your coworker is using it |
| 18:02.39 | wink | he's not the one complaining |
| 18:02.41 | znf | I always need to download the .jnlp from the server each time |
| 18:02.41 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I've had the most issues with Dell, but that's only because we have >90% Dell now |
| 18:02.49 | wink | I've just never had fun with those thingies |
| 18:02.54 | znf | the .jnlp contains the auth token which gets changed every time |
| 18:02.56 | Gnarfoz | znf: I think I linked this before... there's an extension to "fix" jnlp files |
| 18:02.56 | wink | glad y'all don't feel that way :) |
| 18:03.06 | znf | Gnarfoz, "fix"? |
| 18:03.11 | Gnarfoz | so the filename is static |
| 18:03.12 | znf | wink, oh, don't get me wrong, I hate the shit |
| 18:03.24 | Gnarfoz | but you still need to download it each time, because the content is actually different ^^ |
| 18:03.32 | znf | yeah, the auth token changes |
| 18:03.45 | Gnarfoz | you could set it to auto-open instead of auto-save |
| 18:03.54 | Gnarfoz | it'll just fill up your temp dir with the lousy files ;D |
| 18:04.00 | znf | it's very shitty because while they technically use VNC, it's some proprietary extension |
| 18:04.03 | znf | so you can't just VNC to that port |
| 18:04.18 | Gnarfoz | probably because VNC has no authentication worth a shit |
| 18:04.40 | Gnarfoz | and no virtual drive support etc |
| 18:04.43 | znf | (you don't always need to map a device for boot all the time) |
| 18:04.54 | Gnarfoz | and no way to reboot, etc |
| 18:05.00 | znf | pft, ctrl+alt+del :D |
| 18:05.07 | Gnarfoz | that's not always what you want |
| 18:06.45 | znf | I missed a nice sunset, Stanzilla https://goo.gl/photos/NZ8ktjVrv6NfBv9C6 :( |
| 18:07.01 | znf | by the time I realized how nice it was outside... too late to get dressed to go to a nice picture-taking place |
| 18:08.51 | znf | oh my god |
| 18:08.54 | znf | I just signed up for a website |
| 18:09.04 | znf | and their automated registration process CALLED me for a confirmation code |
| 18:09.09 | znf | just use text, you motherfuckers |
| 18:10.30 | nebula | i've seen that before, but it was an option you chose |
| 18:10.57 | nebula | text messages are expensive! |
| 18:13.51 | znf | nebula, not in romania! >_< |
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| 18:57.06 | Stanzilla | https://twitter.com/Windows/status/862701444473827328 |
| 18:57.12 | Stanzilla | name game on point |
| 18:58.46 | nebula | but is that like... file versions or just a list of shit you worked on so you can open the file again |
| 18:59.21 | Torhal | It's obviously a time machine, so you can go back and not fail that raid boss. |
| 18:59.33 | nebula | sorry, apple already patented that |
| 18:59.41 | Torhal | :O |
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| 19:10.15 | Stanzilla | it is time machine 1:1 |
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| 19:14.29 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 19:18.29 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/iYVv7G2.png |
| 19:18.34 | znf | Nice |
| 19:18.39 | znf | 10 people at max |
| 19:21.33 | Stanzilla | https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/11/15615812/microsoft-fluent-design-system-project-neon-features |
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| 19:22.37 | Gnarfoz | I'm still continuously weirded out by how Romanian looks like Latin |
| 19:24.31 | Gnarfoz | znf: btw, you shouldn't need to add anything to exception lists if you the kvm thingies work with your current java and have a properly signed cert? :o |
| 19:25.06 | znf | Where did you see a signed certificate on kvm? |
| 19:27.01 | Stanzilla | hahahah ahttps://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/status/862728800827711488 |
| 19:36.15 | Gnarfoz | znf: uhm... just install one? |
| 19:37.07 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: lol |
| 19:37.22 | quiescens | are you and znf breaking things? |
| 19:37.28 | Gnarfoz | I'd have totally expected it to get that wrong, but that it then also gave an error message ^^ |
| 19:38.21 | Gnarfoz | "check out this [???] radio mix on pandora" |
| 19:38.23 | Gnarfoz | opera? |
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| 19:52.53 | Stanzilla | opera yeh |
| 19:53.15 | Stanzilla | it's sort of faked though |
| 19:53.18 | Stanzilla | the music was running before |
| 19:53.23 | Stanzilla | you can hear it in the background |
| 19:53.35 | Stanzilla | so it just couldnt play anything new and continued playing what was running before |
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| 19:59.46 | Gnarfoz | *un-retweets* |
| 20:00.06 | Stanzilla | it's still funneh :D |
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| 22:06.29 | znf | Question |
| 22:06.47 | znf | Shouldn't the ssd portion if a sshd be invisible to the user? |
| 22:07.44 | znf | Of a |
| 22:16.35 | znf | nevermind, my friend is a retard, he actually has a 2.5" HDD and an M2 SSD |
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| 23:37.44 | znf | Hey Stanzilla https://goo.gl/photos/bGASm3YSqRPWRcyJ6 |
| 23:38.10 | Stanzilla | that looks pretty nice |
| 23:39.26 | znf | Why does it have to be so windy out here |
| 23:39.36 | znf | Wind was moving my tripod |
| 23:40.35 | znf | See me on Google Maps! https://maps.app.goo.gl/gnj1OgZl1WWCcS8U2 |
| 23:40.42 | znf | Look where the fuck I am |
| 23:43.50 | Stanzilla | dont get blown into the water |
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