IRC log for #wowace on 20170415

00:09.53Gnarfozhey, it's... invisble man! https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9Yj1xwPbfWBNTHMa#view=events&type=summary&fight=22&hostility=1&source=131
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00:30.57Megalonhm
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00:46.50StanzillaKaelten: happy birthda
00:46.50Stanzillay
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01:07.57Megalonhappy firstdayoutsideavaginaday
01:15.43Stanzillanevcairiel: is something like https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/bindswhen easier to do with 7.2 api?
01:18.32RessyStanzilla: Few more hours. :P
01:18.43Stanzillatime zones etc!
02:48.32quiescenso.o
02:52.45znfroot@bu-x40181:~# ipmitool lan set 1 ipsrc static
02:52.46znfLAN Parameter Data does not match!  Write may have failed.
02:53.00znffucking piece of shit
02:53.08znfwasted the last 2 hours trying to make this shit work
03:05.55quiescensstop breaking things
03:06.00quiescenssilly znf
03:06.16znfshhhhhht
03:06.53quiescenssilleh znf o.o
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08:00.08nevcairielStanzilla: not that much, the api doesnt differentiate between bop and boa
08:01.53quiescensbind on pickup and bind on ..
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10:19.13Gnarfozaccount
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11:57.59znfGnarfoz, how much do you know about the windows bootloader?
12:15.27znfhuh, why would the Windows Media Creation tool use svchost.exe to download a Windows 10 ISO?
12:54.46Fiskerprobably using bits znf
12:55.00znfsilly windows
12:55.49Fiskernot sure why you think that is silly
12:56.06znfbecause it just downloaded stuff at 35Mbps instead of 100++?
12:56.32znfbecause after it downloaded at snail-speed, it had to spend another minute to write the iso file? :-/
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14:01.40nevcairielbecause it doesnt download an ISO, it downloads the files into some folder, and then packs it into the iso afterwards
14:04.57znfanyway, I managed to boot a .iso, tough I had to chainload grub, obviously, because the Windows bootloader is still windows-centric, MS <3 Linux, my ass
14:05.45nevcairielyou can load a EFI-enabled linux with the MS bootloader, but setting it up is tricky
14:05.53nevcairieleasier to just use grub
14:06.07znfI didn't want to partition, also I don't have UEFI on this laptop
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14:39.17nevcairielKemayo: tooltip based searches seem to have improved in reliability quite a bit with recent changes, and I also enabled the generic tooltip search using the tt/tip/tooltip prefix tags, just in case there is something special you want to search for there is no built-in tags for
14:41.01znfnow if I could just figure out how to make casper's persistent storage work, that'd be great
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15:10.56StanzillaRemove-WindowsFeature FS-SMB1
15:11.00Stanzillathat was the wrong window
15:12.01nevcairielyou cant just delete smb1, it also has feelings :(
15:12.23Stanzilla;(
15:14.21Stanzillaon the client it is actually Disable-WindowsOptionalFeature -Online -FeatureName smb1protocol if anyone else wants to do this
15:14.43nevcairielisnt it smart enough to use a newer protocol automatically
15:15.02Megalonstep1: deletes smb1's feelings
15:15.06Megalonstep2: delete smb1
15:15.53Stanzillano, you can still initiate a v1 connection
15:16.04nevcairielyes, can, but does it do that typically? :p
15:16.14Stanzilladepends on the other side
15:16.25Stanzillaif something v1 only tries to connect, windows does that
15:16.33Stanzillahttps://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/filecab/2016/09/16/stop-using-smb1/
15:16.36nevcairielsmb is all in my local lan
15:17.29Stanzillayes
15:19.03nevcairielif my linux vm now cannot access the shares anymore i blame you
15:20.30nevcairielalthough i think i upgraded it to newer smb some time ago
15:20.36Fiskerhey Stanzilla
15:25.49Stanzillahey Fisker
15:25.54Fiskerwanna hug?
15:25.56Stanzillanevcairiel: if that was using v1 then blame yourself :D
15:26.01StanzillaFisker: sure
15:26.07Fiskerhugs Stanzilla
15:26.12Fiskersmb1 sucks
15:26.16Stanzillayes
15:26.35znf>The directories must be on FAT32 partition(s) and each folder must have a unique name.
15:26.40znfwell, thanks so fucking much
15:26.53znfonly took me 2 hours to find that in a random thread
15:27.06Fiskerstill learning the basics of UEFI?
15:27.14znfno
15:27.18znfwas playing with casper
15:27.30quiescenswhat did you break this time?
15:27.31znfif you use a persistence file, the file must be located on fat32
15:27.53znfthe iso has no problems, apparently, booting from NTFS with weird trickery
15:28.03znfbut hell no for the persistence file
15:28.24znfwhich is very weird, because I can read/write the path where the file is just fine
15:28.25quiescenspersistence file is pretty much by definition, read write
15:28.44znfquiescens, what's your point?
15:28.44quiescensshrugs, they still don't like writing to ntfs unless they really need to
15:28.54znfyeah, well, what I said :P
15:29.49quiescensi don't know if ntfs write is available during initramfs stuff
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15:30.09znfgood point
15:30.14quiescensas i recall, kernel level ntfs is read only
15:30.32quiescensntfs write is usually fuse based
15:32.29nevcairielkernel ntfs has basic writing now too
15:32.38nevcairielbut you probably want to use ntfs-3g (the fuse driver) a nyway
15:32.57znfthe persistence file is written only on shutdown (synced)
15:33.02znfand it's read when booting
15:33.26znfat least that's what I got from the man page of casper-snapshot
15:35.10quiescensi can't see casper being sync at shutdown only
15:35.13znfI don't suppose you can map a file to a virtual drive and have it persist after grub kicks the kernel
15:35.21quiescensunless you go out of your way to set it up that way
15:35.53znfofc not, silly me, filesystems don't work that way
15:35.57quiescenswhat if you write too much stuff o.o
15:36.24quiescensor.. crash or lose power i guess
15:37.23znfmeh, what do I have to lose
15:37.33znfchecks to see if he can map an image to a drive
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15:38.28nevcairielapparently I told my linux VM to use smb 3.0 some time ago
15:38.36nevcairielbut it defaults to 1.0 if you dont tell it any version
15:49.23znfapparently only Ubuntu and derivatives have issues with the persistence file being on NTFS
15:56.12znf...I could switch to grub4dos, which has a "partnew" command that can map a file to a partition
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16:05.24znfnow here's another question
16:05.35znfhow do I make it so a file is contigous on a ssd?
16:06.02nevcairielis that also a requirement for your broken tool there? =p
16:06.37znfonly if you map it to the mbr
16:07.02znfbecause the mapping has no concept of filesystem, it just writes data from sectors X to Z
16:07.44nevcairielthe answer is: you cannot control this :)
16:08.27znfyeah, seems so, because the controller will level out the wear leveling :-/
16:08.36znfmkay, then I'll put the persistency file on the hdd
16:08.48nevcairielcontroller spread is irrelevant
16:08.57nevcairielstill looks continous to anything trying to access it
16:09.44znfhow the hell do I defrag just a file
16:09.52nevcairielyou dont
16:10.16znfEasyBCD does it, somehow
16:11.00nevcairielif your file is tiny its easier
16:11.34znfit should be just 8GB
16:11.41nevcairielthats not tiny =p
16:12.00Kemayonevcairiel: The d tag is handy; I'd noticed how questionable searching for "ap" was. :D
16:12.03znfthere we go, used Piriform Defraggler
16:12.10nevcairielKemayo: yeah
16:12.31nevcairielmight as well write out artifact power
16:12.35nevcairielbut why not use d:ap
16:15.43KemayoOh, someone was complaining on the comments for my search presets about a lua error in LibItemSearch, in their Italian client. I think the timing works out to that being before you'd done most of those updates, though, so it might not still be valid at all.
16:16.26nevcairielthe error was from keystones in your inventory
16:16.29nevcairielthey are not item links
16:16.41nevcairielbut i check for that now
16:17.04KemayoAh, weird. A return of the battle pet cage situation, but worse, I guess.
16:20.29znfnevcairiel, also, under linux, on the laptop (card reader seems connected via whatever the fuck), I see /dev/mmcblkX
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17:48.09nevcairielKemayo: one thing i noticed, when i use the Equipment filter preset, it shows the  search string broken in the UI due to the |, maybe you should use double | like entering | manually on the UI does?
17:48.44KemayoOh, good point. I can adjust that.
17:49.06KemayoI honestly didn't notice it, proving my fine attention to detail.
17:50.01nevcairielit causes the search term splitting to produce empty search terms (basically between the double ||), but luckily it just ignores those
17:50.12nevcairieland using the text box directly has the same  effect, so
17:52.25znfKemayo, just tell people to stop being silly and stop using localized clients
17:52.28znf...weirdos.
17:55.40Kalrothznf: sehr gut!
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18:01.53znf"file for drive emulation must be in one contigous disk area"
18:01.57znfbut it is, motherfucker :-|
18:25.40Kemayonevcairiel: Thinking of being nice to the localized client users, could your LibItemSearch pick up an itemClass/subClass tag, which just searches the relevant numeric returns from GetItemInfo. Less localization headaches.
18:26.17KemayoOr special-case it so that type:3 or type:3.2 gets diverted into that path.
18:34.51znfdon't be
18:35.11nevcairielKemayo: probably best to try to detect these situations, numbers dont make sense otherwise
18:37.15KemayoThis stems from that poor Italian user complaining that my armor search doesn't work. Which would seem to imply that the ARMOR constant is different from the type return from GetItemInfo in Italian.
18:38.26nevcairielmaybe, its hard to judge what these global strings are actually for
18:38.36Kemayo(Which is fair enough, different words for the concept of defense and an actual-physical-item.)
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18:43.19KemayoI can just do the whole GetItemClassInfo(LE_ITEM_CLASS_ARMOR) dance, I suppose.
18:43.57nevcairieli can add the numeric search, but other then some presets its likely not going to f ind much  use
18:45.44KemayoYeah, it's probably better to offload it to me generating the query, here.
18:46.04KemayoI was being lazy in my initial suggestion.
18:49.51nevcairieli left the english search terms in for most other things, unlike the upstream libitemsearch that breaks "toy" for example on a localized client and only the actual word works, i figured its nice to have english work all the time for those
18:50.13nevcairielbut for those that directly compare API returns.. :)
18:52.03KemayoYou could pre-generate keywords about the same way you do for item qualities, if you wanted. Loop through NUM_LE_ITEM_CLASSS with GetItemClassInfo, etc.
18:52.36nevcairielyeah but qualities return a number, so not like there is a choice =p
18:52.58nevcairiel(and it still w ouldnt give me english, unless i hardcode those, which i would rather not)
18:53.21KemayoYeah, it's a pain.
18:53.40KemayoEven more so, if you wanted to get the subclasses.
18:58.53Gnarfozhmmm, do data-only SIM cards have phone numbers?
18:59.03Gnarfozactually, that's not what I want to know
18:59.36Gnarfozcan I put a regular SIM card into a tablet that doesn't have "phone" functionality and still make use of the phone number on the SIM for stuff like WhatsApp & Signal?
19:00.17Gnarfoz(at least I'm assuming that tablets with LTE or UMTS don't really play "phone", because there's search filters for "with phone ability")
19:08.38Gnarfozafter whining for months how terribly unfair RNGsus has been to her, our resto druid just got both best and 2nd best legendaries back to back
19:08.45Gnarfozwithin 30 minutes of each other
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19:16.46nevcairieldoesnt whatsapp verify with a SMS
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19:21.38Funkeh`they both do
19:22.28Gnarfozyou don't have to receive the SMS on the device, you can enter the code manually
19:22.57Gnarfozhmm, I guess that kind of answers my question
19:22.57nevcairieldoes it really need a SIM then at all?
19:23.14nevcairieli have a SIM free tablet, but i'm too lazy to walk to the bedroom where it lives
19:23.15nevcairielso sorry
19:23.16nevcairiel:)
19:23.17Gnarfozwell it needs a phone number it can use, but I guess it doesn't have to be on the device itself
19:23.48Gnarfozotherwise I don't know how my dad managed to get WhatsApp to work inside of BlueStacks
19:24.02Gnarfozon his terrible single core Atom Windows convertible tablet
19:24.11nevcairielheh
19:24.21Gnarfozwhich is already annoying to use under Windows, most of the time
19:24.31Gnarfozadd a slow emulator on top... you get the idea
19:25.40Gnarfozwell, I guess I could expand my search to wifi-only tablets, then
19:26.32Gnarfozbut if I want to ween my dad off of that terrible device, I'm not sure gifting him a different one with different drawbacks is a good start
19:27.30nevcairielpersonally I just never use my tablet anywhere but at home, so wifi was the clear choice
19:27.36nevcairielbut to each their own use-cases
19:28.13StanzillaI use whatsapp web on my tablet
19:31.47Gnarfozthat requires it to be running somewhere in the first place
19:31.52Gnarfozwhich is the hurdle I need to solve
19:32.47GnarfozI guess even the cheapest smartphone would be usable, then I could scan the QR code from his tablet of terribleness and he could use WA web in his browser
19:32.56Gnarfozbut he doesn't want a phone
19:32.58Gnarfozgah
19:36.42Gnarfozdifferent question
19:36.57Gnarfozwhat causes my buff addon's cooldown circles to be green?
19:45.42nevcairielbad code
19:45.43nevcairiel:D
19:46.26nevcairielgreen is typically a missing or broken texture, but that would mean it tries to use its own cooldown circle thingy
19:47.54Gnarfozonly happening since 7.2, so something must have changed
19:48.35Gnarfozedge texture for the cooldown swipe also doesn't seem to work (I don't use that, but noteworthy)
19:49.01Gnarfoz~framexml
19:49.01purlBlizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on https://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ .
19:49.52GnarfozSetSwipeTexture?
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19:54.42Gnarfozgah the addon is using a bunch of undocumented functions :(
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20:08.02GnarfozI guess both Cooldown.SetEdgeTexture and Cooldown.SetSwipeTexture don't like texture paths anymore
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20:17.50GnarfozStanzilla: http://i.imgur.com/L15il0n.png why can't I move the divider :(
20:18.09nevcairielyou should
20:20.31Stanzilla^
20:22.23FiskerUnrip my windows install Stanzilla
20:28.31Stanzillawhat did you break
20:43.46Gnarfozhuh?
20:43.53Gnarfozit's not movable
20:45.04Gnarfozthe resizer grip thing being in the wrong corner of the window was confusing enough, don't tell me there's some invisible 1 px line I need to hit to move the divider
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20:45.24StanzillaI remember reporting to nev that something about that was broken
20:45.25FiskerNothing Stanzilla
20:45.27FiskerBut I like it
20:45.27nevcairielits not 1px
20:45.36nevcairielits the entire area between the two broders
20:45.48Fisker"Oh so you rolled back to your previous release because it's not working? Well let me upgrade that for you!"
20:46.30nevcairielalthough maybe WA uses some custom shittery for that widget
20:50.06nevcairielyeah i have no clue what WA does to that screen
20:52.26nevcairielit doesnt even seem like it should be resizeable at all
20:52.30nevcairielunless the code hides that somewhere
20:53.49Stanzillasurprise
20:55.31Stanzillayou can only resize the left side with the drag handle on the bottom left corner
20:55.35Stanzillathe right side is not resizable
20:56.20nevcairielso Gnarfoz just has a tiny UIScale and dragged the window way open
20:57.30nevcairielwouldnt it be smarter if you could actually resize the area that matters instead of the aura list? =p
20:59.46Stanzillayes
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21:43.52znf>Since nfstrace is written in C++ you have to use gcc >= 6 or clang >= 3.8.
21:43.53Catal1nasince [<channel>] [<nick>]
21:43.58znftalk about fucking bleeding edge crap
21:43.59znfgcc 6
21:50.22Stanzillanevcairiel: is signing an application on WIndows expensive?
21:50.25Stanzillaas in, is the cert
21:50.28Stanzillaor can you self sign?
21:51.11znfyou can't
21:51.33znfor, rather, you can, but windows will warn you
21:52.01nevcairielSelf signing is as good as not signing, windows still warns everywhere
21:52.11znfI think it's around $100 one-time?
21:52.28Stanzillawhere would you buy one then
21:52.30nevcairielCerts expire like all certs
21:52.49nevcairielAbout 100 a year or validity is about normal
21:53.26nevcairielMy current one is from comodo
21:53.39PhixionFisker: you there?
21:53.46nevcairielMost big cert places have code signing certs though
21:53.51znfhttp://codesigning.ksoftware.net/
21:53.54znf$84
21:53.57FiskerYes Phixion
21:54.08znfper year, obviously
21:54.50Stanzillacomodo is 177 / y
21:54.52StanzillaO_o
21:55.13znfat that price, I'd rather just have people click a warning
21:55.15nevcairielThere is a bunch of resellers of comodo certs that are way cheaper
21:55.36nevcairielKsoftware that znf linked resell comodo, for example
21:56.02znfI can't find a cheaper one
21:56.37nevcairielI meant cheaper as comodo directly
21:57.15znfI know, I meant that I can't find cheaper than that one
21:57.26znffeels a lot, to be honest
21:57.26FiskerWhy do you want one Stanzilla ?
21:58.20nevcairielJust make sure their certs are properly time-stamping enabled. Startcom used to give out a very cheap or without that, which means your software basically expire when your cert expires, which is stupid. If it's properly time-stamped it's valid forever as long as the cert was valid when the file was signed
21:58.27Gnarfoznevcairiel: I did that intentionally for the screenshot, of course :P
21:58.38Gnarfoz(and it's uiscale off, whatever that results in)
21:59.23znflol @ startcom http://i.imgur.com/xfRV0EP.png
21:59.40znfdead business since the fishy cert stuff
22:00.36GnarfozStartSSL Extended Validation Package, only US$ 1.5
22:00.40Gnarfozgreat price!
22:01.36znfindeed
22:07.00znfI hate this stupid shit of logging in with a client certificate
22:07.06znfI selected the wrong client certificate
22:07.08znfnow I can't log on
22:07.23FiskerDid you try selecting the right client certificate?
22:07.27nevcairielSo reset it
22:07.38znfhow?
22:07.45znfI can't seem to find a way to do it in chrome
22:29.19znfHmm. This is weird.
22:29.36znfI was trying to debug why a node in vm stack is using 200Mbps++ constantly
22:30.09znfI randomly picked a VM, opened the webvnc console, I just pressed enter once (to "wake up" the console), suddenly the traffic stopped
22:30.43Gnarfozyouvebeenhacked.jpg
22:31.59znfnot my vm
22:32.06znfit's our public "cloud"
22:39.15Gnarfozgrml
22:39.21Gnarfozwhy doesn't whatever changed in 7.2 error
22:39.32Gnarfoztrial and error is making me mad :P
22:42.43znfmkay, I guess it wasn't that VM, just a coincidence
22:42.54nevcairielStop using broken addons Gnarfoz
22:43.02GnarfozI'd rather fix it
22:43.06Gnarfozif I knew what they changed
22:43.20znfwhat addon? ^^
22:43.25GnarfozAuraFrames
22:44.05znfwhat's the error?
22:44.45Gnarfozgreen cooldown spiral
22:49.28znfah
22:49.40znfwasn't Stanzilla complaining about the spiral, too?
22:51.34Gnarfozthey changed Cooldown.SetSwipeColor apparently
22:52.59Gnarfozgoing from Button.Cooldown:SetSwipeColor(0.5, 0.5, 0.5) to Button.Cooldown:SetSwipeColor(0, 0, 0, 0.5) seems to have done the trick
22:53.59nevcairielare you sure you're not just making it invisible
22:54.23Gnarfozhow is either of those invisible?
22:54.56Gnarfozit seems to achieve the desired result, at least =D
22:57.13Gnarfozdoesn't fix the draw edge, but I wasn't using that anyway :P
22:57.47nevcairielwell a zero color with some  alpha is at least what blizzard uses for the swipe as well, so there is that
23:00.00Gnarfozthat's where I got that from, was the only thing of use I could find
23:00.33GnarfozI wonder if Button.Cooldown:SetSwipeTexture(Aura.Icon); is even necessary anymore, then
23:01.08Gnarfozapparently yes
23:01.51znfmeanwhile, I managed to finally create a file that is contigous and is actually accepted by grub4dos's 'partnew' command
23:06.15znfmumbles about linux projects written in C++
23:07.08Gnarfozmumbles something about znf
23:07.14znfshush
23:07.23znfI hate compiling c++ stuff
23:16.03*** join/#wowace webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34)
23:24.08nevcairielmaybe you just suck at basic compiling =p
23:30.58znfI'm trying to compile something statically
23:31.02znfand cmake is basically voodoo
23:32.01nevcairieloverriding build modes to be static if the cmake script doesnt prepare for such an option is a bit iffy
23:32.51znfI'm noticing that
23:35.40znfI'm following this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16991225/cmake-and-static-linking
23:42.14znfor, rather, I'm failing badly
23:42.17znfvoodoo, pretty much
23:45.37znfwell, this seems to have actually worked
23:46.19znf./nfstrace: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ./nfstrace)
23:46.21znfwell, crap
23:47.30znfat least I built the other libs in
23:47.31znfprogress
23:50.05znfmore progress, now I'm getting it to run, but it segfaults
23:54.39znfwell, now I know *why* it segfaults, tough no idea how to fix it

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