IRC log for #wowace on 20170324

00:00.19znfs/nah/bah/
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00:01.43znfdoes this work for you guys?
00:04.43Stanzillano
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00:05.08Gnarfoznope
00:05.11Gnarfozah
00:05.11Gnarfozyes
00:05.24Gnarfozis that sand?
00:05.27Stanzillaoh it does
00:05.28Stanzillain vlc
00:05.48Gnarfozyeah, I tried mpc and vlc but vlc took quite a while to decide it wants to work
00:06.00znfprobably sand, yes
00:06.24znfok, why the fuck ain't ffmpeg working :-/
00:06.48Stanzillawhere is that camera? :D
00:07.14znfbeach
00:07.20nevcairielnot sure ffmpeg supports rtsp with authentication
00:08.07StanzillaI kinda want to be at a beach right now
00:08.21znfgoogle says it does :-/
00:08.47znfbut google may be wrong
00:09.39znfI get a 405, method not allowed
00:09.48znfbut ffprobe finds the stream
00:09.59znftough it can't determine the resolution
00:15.18znfI get http://i.imgur.com/JNCDYfu.png
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03:26.02Gnarfozwhat's the recommended quassel log search, nevcairiel? QuasselSuche?
03:29.03GnarfozI guess there's not many to pick from. quasselsearch or quasselsuche it is
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06:43.05Phixionmorning
07:07.03TorhalFisker stole your morning, Phixion. This is now afternoon.
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07:07.17FiskerI did no such thing
07:07.21TorhalOh.
07:07.26TorhalStanzilla, then?
07:10.28FiskerI wouldn't put it past him
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07:42.36nevcairielGnarfoz: quasselsuche has some security flaws iirc
07:43.18nevcairielGnarfoz: https://github.com/justjanne/quassel-rest-search is relatively new and still under development, but fast and better
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07:47.02Phixionhey Torhal
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08:08.02MegalonKil'jaeden's biggest enemy will be the Dalaran loading screen.
08:08.05Megalonheyoooooooo
08:26.18Timmehtotally considering doing a final offer for a new place to live today, if accepted I would have a new place in august/september, which would mean I can totally get a WoW subscription again then :')
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09:33.36Gnarfozwow subscription is not compatible with living under a bridge, eh?
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09:41.46Gnarfoznevcairiel: nice, ty
09:42.36Gnarfozaww, pgsql only at the moment
09:42.45nevcairielyou use sucky sqlite?
09:42.45nevcairiel:D
09:42.46Gnarfozmine is just sqlite
09:43.05Gnarfozmy core is actually whatever debian unstable offers, so it's terrible in more than one way
09:43.35nevcairielindubitably
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09:47.10nevcairielmine is from git master with pgsql
09:47.12nevcairielso shrug
09:48.30quiescenso.o
09:48.41quiescensjust use grep
09:48.42quiescens^^
09:48.50nevcairielon a database? :d
09:49.16quiescensgnarfoz could make it work
09:49.20quiescensnodnod
09:56.32Gnarfozit's sqlite, I bet it's not that far off
09:57.03quiescenssqlite performance is actually pretty good ):
09:57.13Gnarfozfor single client applications, it's ok
09:57.30Gnarfoznot for multi-user or bigger stuff, though
09:57.32nevcairieland depends on your database size
09:57.44GnarfozI was just trying to figure out last night how I ended up looking at the Hyundai i30
09:57.51nevcairielinitial sync with quassel got a lot faster when i switched to pgsql
09:57.57GnarfozI bet it was Funkeh's fault
10:00.49GnarfozPhixion: Keycaps: PBT DSA Black Keycaps for Grid (Matias) (+$14.99)
10:01.05Gnarfozthat's from when I bought my Planck
10:01.16GnarfozI bet that's a lie, because the backspace keycap looks like ass after only a year
10:01.47Gnarfozand what's worse: if it's really DSA then it means that keycap drop I linked yesterday won't fit at all
10:02.38Gnarfozhttps://www.massdrop.com/buy/planck-keycap-set?&referer=49SPF8&mode=guest_open the very last of the pictures shows the keycaps I currently have (minus the mixed colors)
10:02.51quiescenseven for largish databases sqlite is not so bad, it suffers a bit for write heavy loads but does a lot better than people assume
10:02.56Gnarfozbut it's not labeled and they're clearly not the same as the OEM ones
10:03.22nevcairielsqlite suffers the most from multi-threaded access though, since its locking is terribly inefficient
10:05.21quiescensnewer ones use a separate write ahead log so that writing doesn't lock reading and vice versa
10:05.32Stanzillahttps://i.imgur.com/DHWLVYZ.png
10:05.34Stanzillaaww yeah
10:06.25quiescensso it should only be particularly bad with concurrent write heavy loads
10:06.38quiescensgives Stanzilla a cookie
10:06.44quiescenswhat did you do?
10:06.45quiescenso.o
10:06.51Stanzillathe replacement cooler arrived
10:06.57quiescens\o/
10:07.01nevcairieland you dared to install another corsair cooler?
10:19.22Stanzillaafter I fought so long for it, yeah
10:19.32quiescens/pat stan
10:26.08Stanzillawas on the phone with UPS last night, they told me Zoll still refused to let it in, they wanted to see the shipping paper of the item I sent to corsair in the first place
10:26.32Stanzillathen the UPS guy noticed that the package is flagged to be paid by corsair anyway and we can just let them pay the import fee
10:26.35Stanzillaso we did that
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10:30.02Phixionuhm thats weird Gnarfoz
10:32.30znfyes, don't you love customs?
10:32.53znffriend ordered some dress from china, via DHL, DHL refused to do the custom duties because the invoice contained no shipping costs
10:33.01znfbut friend got free shipping because it was a $100+ item
10:33.16Gnarfozso... you show them the receipt that says so
10:33.23znfwhich we did
10:33.27znf"no, it must have shipping costs"
10:33.32znf"but it's right there, it says free shipping"
10:33.38znf"no, that can't be, it must cost something"
10:34.02Gnarfozseems like someone didn't take their medicine
10:34.15znf>gif what confused kpop
10:34.16Catal1nahttp://media4.giphy.com/media/8fpUnyGHeKdOw/giphy.gif
10:34.17nevcairielis it znf?
10:35.19znfso we just edited the invoice to say $15 shipping and they accepted it
10:35.25znfthanks for making me commit a felony, DHL
10:40.20Stanzillayeah the ups guy also said I must have bad luck and that my case offizer at the customs is probably just someone who had a bad day or is taking himself too serious
10:41.52znfalso, last time I was at the custom, some agent made some guy pay VAT on shipping
10:42.00GnarfozDisk: +1,881 MB
10:42.05GnarfozI guess I hadn't updated my server in a while
10:43.39Gnarfozznf: that's normal here. if the total includes shipping, then that gets taxed as is
10:44.14znfit's stupid
10:45.07nevcairielVAT applies to everything, including services
10:46.24quiescensbut stanzilla's case is interesting i guess
10:46.34nevcairielin germany it gets kind of funny when you combine multiple things with different VAT rates in one package, then the VAT for the shipping has to be adjusted to represent the average VAT of the contents
10:46.51quiescensbecause it normally definitely is something that applies, but it just happens to have been a replacement thingy
10:46.54znfnevcairiel, customs office says "if the VALUE OF THE GOODS exceeds 10€, then you pay vat"
10:47.13Gnarfozcustoms office here says "if the total value exceeds"
10:47.27mitch0same here
10:47.28Gnarfozso... get on our bureaucracy level
10:47.33Kalroth€10 for VAT, ~€100 for customs
10:48.03quiescenso.o
10:48.13quiescenswe get this: For goods that are worth equal to or under AUD1,000, there are no duties, taxes or charges to pay.
10:48.16quiescens^^
10:48.45Gnarfozso.... an ice cream, then?
10:48.50quiescens):
10:49.23Kalrothin Denmark it's 25% VAT added on packages over €10 and usually a €25 duty fee for packages over €100
10:49.59Kalrothi'm not sure if they just add the duty fee if they have to add VAT to a package, never had a non-EU package between €10 to ~€100
10:50.27Kalrothbut i did order a phone from china for roughly €120 and it got hit with VAT + fees ><
10:50.46Kalrothfrom €120 to €175 ><
10:50.55StanzillaI was told I would have to pay 59 euro import fee
10:51.09Stanzillabecause the value of the goods was 160
10:51.28znfyeah, that includes custom taxes
10:51.51Kalrothyup
10:51.53Stanzillait's also just wwrong because that shit does not cost even close to 160
10:52.11nevcairielit depends what category they shove it in
10:52.17Stanzilla"computer parts"
10:52.55Kalroth20% of 160 = €32 VAT + ~€25 in fees = ~€57 import fee
10:53.07quiescens"vary from 0% to 10%, with an average duty rate of 4.6%. Some goods are not subject to duty (e.g. laptops and other electronic products)."
10:53.11quiescenso.o
10:54.38nevcairielimport duty wants to actively detract you from buying things outside the country, so its entire purpose is to be annoying :p
10:55.53nevcairiel(or the respective free trading zone your country takes part in)
10:55.54znfKalroth, it's 10 to 150 here
10:55.58quiescensi think the only things with a high import duty here are alcohol and cars
10:57.16znfI once paid in virtual points on a website, for a phone
10:57.20znf"what do you mean you paid nothing?"
10:57.27znfI paid nothing. You can see on the invoice
10:57.54quiescensthats why most things are about value
10:57.57znfI hear someone working in the building. I wonder if it's the internet guys
10:57.59Gnarfozmy customs office has always been curious/understanding so far
10:57.59Kalroththat doesn't work here, znf
10:58.04nevcairielthey often think that zero value invoices are trying for fraud, pay through back channels, dont pay taxes
10:58.10Kalroththey'll open the package and put a value on it themselves
10:58.22Kalroth"this phone looks expence, lets say uhhh €200"
10:58.23znfKalroth, they always open the package here, too
10:58.26Kalrothexpensive*
10:58.29znfbut they don't attempt to guess
10:58.33znfI'm mostly ordering from china
10:58.44znfso by default those things are cheap
10:58.55Gnarfozand China is also fraud source #1
10:58.57Gnarfozso
10:59.06Kalroththey only do it when you can't show them a legit invoice
10:59.17quiescensi've never had to deal with our customs because of the $1000 minimum i guess
10:59.19Gnarfozit's like wearing a turban at US border crossing and expecting not to have your asshole searched
10:59.19quiescens\o/
10:59.22Kalrothand no, zero cost invoice doesn't work, they need a product value
10:59.32quiescensgasp, politics
10:59.35quiescensbad foz!
10:59.42znfI normally modify all my invoices to be like $30-$40
10:59.43quiescenspokes Gnarfoz with a stick
10:59.45Gnarfozpolitics? I think you mean stereotypes
10:59.47Kalrothgood thing its lunch time
11:00.04znfClients are funny.
11:00.08Gnarfozit's lunch time? fuck that, I need to get some work done
11:00.11znfGuy has 20 G-Suite accounts.
11:00.18znfHe wants to negociate a better price
11:01.04nevcairieli had a funny experience with customs once, i bought some laser-based product from kickstarter, and they didnt properly document the laser to german regulations, so customs held it - I was sick at the time and couldn't make the pickup, but eventually I just got the package anyway, and it had funny stickers on it, like "don't deliver to recipient, return to sender", i never knew if someone just failed to honor those or the sender somehow
11:01.04nevcairielcleared this up
11:01.40znfI'm not sure what changed, but I used to get china goods directly to my local (non-customs) postal office
11:01.40quiescensit could have been some kind of weapon!
11:01.50znfthey were delivering trough the hungarian post
11:02.00quiescensare you hungarian
11:02.16znfI'm guessing they were doing massive shippments from china to hungary, then repackaging in hungary and sending to the rest of europe
11:02.18znfno quiescens
11:02.42znfthe first Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro I ordered was sent directly to my local postal office
11:02.53znfthe second one stopped at the customs
11:04.51nevcairielit depends a lot on how well the sender documents these things and what shipment company is used, at least here in germany
11:05.12znfI specifically asked for the same company, that's why I'm wondering why it stopped
11:05.16nevcairielwith UPS they often just take care of things and send me a bill for the customs fees
11:05.26znfDHL here is being an ass
11:05.30znfdid I tell you about their fee?
11:05.43znfI got a $40 package via DHL, from China
11:05.50nevcairielthat is, if the sender properly marked the contents and included an invoice on the otuside of the package
11:06.04znfSo I had to pay VAT for it, something around ~40 Lei
11:06.12znf>xau 40 ron to eur
11:06.13Catal1na40.00 ron = 8.76 eur
11:06.40znfbut DHL asked me for a fee of ~110 Lei to take care of that for me, that is, in addition to the ~40 Lei I had to pay in taxes
11:06.44znfI told them to fuck off
11:08.21znfhad to get one of those stupid EORI numbers
11:08.36znfand I had to do it via a java app that worked only in Internet Explorer
11:08.43znfand only with java 1.6 or something like that
11:08.45znfhorrible crap
11:10.45quiescenswhy are you always doing ridiculous things o.o
11:11.48Megalonhe's always doing the cheapest thing possible which often tends to cost him more in the end
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11:30.18FiskerWhy a bad day Stanzilla?
11:30.25FiskerThe guy did exactly what he should have
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11:51.24znfquiescens, I'm not. The government is doing it.
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15:17.53znfok, I don't like the BLIZZ icon
15:21.12Megaloni like the BLIZZARD*suishedasfuck* one
15:21.23Megalons/suish/squish/
15:21.23Megalon:<
15:21.40Phixion:O
15:21.53MegalonSquishxion
15:22.37Megalonznf: it's a BLIZ icon :P
15:27.59znfdon't like it!
15:28.23znfI prefered the logo
15:28.26znfthe normal one
15:28.43znfbut at least I don't see it in the tray
15:30.02quiescensi still think its stupid they changed it at all o.o
15:34.49Megalonso a gif is a deadly weapon now, or only if i pronounce it jif?
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15:52.02PhixionMejalon
15:53.56Phixiontgif https://allo.google.com/images/section/header/expression.gif
15:54.10Megalontjif you mean
15:54.13Phixion.jif I mena
15:54.16Phixionoh im slow
15:54.27FiskerSigh Stanzilla
15:54.32Phixionhey Fisker
15:54.35Phixionalmost bye Fisker
15:56.40FiskerI'll miss u Stanzilla
15:56.57FiskerHey Phixion
15:57.58Phixionbye
15:59.18FiskerBye
16:38.50Megalonbye :(
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17:18.40znfoh great, they changed the taskbar icon too
17:21.12quiescenso.o
17:21.16quiescensgo to sleep znf
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20:51.21wink"Blizzard App"
20:51.23winkand so it begins
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21:12.22Megalon:)
21:53.24znfSaw "Life"
21:53.32znfInteresting, but not sure if it's cinema worthy
21:55.19Phixionhey Fisker
21:55.39Phixionplanning to see it on sunday znf :o
21:55.54znfif you enjoyed Gravity, I guess you'll like this, too
21:56.44Gnarfozif you enjoyed Gravity, maybe Capsule is for you
21:56.52Phixionmeh
21:57.06Phixiongravity's 3d was the best one ive seen tho
21:57.37znfI'd say Avatar was the best 3D I've ever seen, at IMAX
21:57.46znfanything else was shitty at best
21:57.51znfI dread watching 3D movies
21:58.00Phixionme too
21:58.16nevcairielI dont dread it, i can mostly just ignore it, but its just pointless
21:58.28nevcairielluckily 3d movies are getting rarer
21:58.31nevcairielor so it feels like anyway
21:58.36znfwell, it costs more and I get a shittier experience because of those stupid glasses
21:58.57znfI usually sit in weird positions when the space permits at the cinema
21:59.13nevcairielthey all but killed home 3d as well, so its future is not looking too good
21:59.13znfand I have a habbit of tilting my head to the left/right a bit
21:59.30znfand boom, image is suddenly blurry
21:59.42Phixionthere's also that new high fps stuff but i dont think i have a cinama nearby that supports it
21:59.45nevcairielthat shouldnt happen with polarized glasses in a cinema
22:00.00znfnot to mention the whole thing about wearing a 2nd fucking pair of glasses on my face
22:00.02znfugh
22:00.06nevcairiel(although it does happen with home 3d stuff)
22:00.27znfit happens at the cinema too, at least with the tech they use here
22:00.33znfit's very visible at the edges of the screen
22:00.47znfsometimes it also affects the subtitle
22:00.58Phixionisnt cameron working on 3d w/o glasses
22:01.11Gnarfozyou can just walk outside of the cinema for that
22:01.16nevcairielthats not something for a film maker to do, really
22:01.19nevcairielthats more of a tech problem
22:01.25znfIMAX's 3D subtitles were the worst
22:01.39znfI gave up reading them mid-way
22:01.51nevcairielon small screens with a limited audience (ie. tv) you can get 3d without glasses already
22:02.00nevcairielbut doing the same for a cinema full of people would be very hard
22:02.25nevcairielbut the tech is expensive and complicated, so it never really took off
22:02.31znfI'm honestly not sure 3D is dead in cinemas
22:02.32nevcairieland instead consumer home 3d just went away
22:02.36znfthere are movies around here that are 3D only
22:03.22znffucking facebook never has the movie I want to check in to, when it's a premiere
22:03.34Gnarfoz...facebook?
22:03.40znfGnarfoz, yes!
22:03.41Gnarfozwhat do they have to do with anything
22:03.44znfso I can check in ?
22:03.50PhixionoO
22:03.55Gnarfozis facebook foursquare now
22:04.13Gnarfoz(I know foursquare killed itself a long time ago)
22:04.16znfGnarfoz, since they pretty much murdered 4square like 5 years ago?
22:04.17znfor so?
22:04.28Gnarfozstill, you'd check into a cinema
22:04.31Gnarfoznot into a movie
22:04.31znfhttp://i.imgur.com/jSARMt0.png
22:04.41znfYou can do an action, you know?
22:04.45znfpft, do you even facebook, pleb?
22:04.46nevcairielthis entire checkin concept is dumb
22:04.49GnarfozI don't, no
22:04.56Gnarfozbecause facebook is horrible :D
22:05.02znfyou actually get a notification after a while to rate the movie
22:05.06nevcairiel(so are people that post all their life on facebook, but thats another topic)
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22:06.08znfI've posted this today: http://i.imgur.com/CGxQktu.png
22:06.16GnarfozI should've bought some booze
22:06.17znfapparently facebook analyzes the image content lately
22:06.30nevcairieli have some booze
22:06.32Megalonyea, facebook
22:06.34Megalonhttp://i.imgur.com/IGGn8lv.png
22:06.44Megalonthose are some weird related pages for a kids movie
22:06.57znfit's always related to your interests, Megalon
22:06.58Gnarfozprobably based on your personal browser history
22:07.20Megalonso i like spanish sexo?
22:07.22Megalonwhat
22:07.39Phixionnice
22:07.43Megalonhttps://www.facebook.com/pages/Tini-The-Movie/1615569658767334?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&rf=675818632565185
22:07.51Megalonwhat are your sexual preferences on this, znf? :P
22:08.13znfapparently this https://www.facebook.com/pages/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B0%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%A9/1594317190840547?nr
22:08.24Phixionznf just checked in into a brothel
22:08.27PhixionDND
22:08.31Megalonlol
22:09.00Gnarfozhttp://i.imgur.com/NabNS79.png
22:09.12nevcairielthats the "I'm not logged in" view =p
22:09.42GnarfozI don't have an account, so... it's the only view
22:09.51Gnarfozand also evidence that Megalon is a pervert!
22:10.04Phixionnods
22:10.06znfuh, let's see if there's a freakin' ME:Andromeda on friendly websites
22:10.25Megalonwhy do you need evidence for that?
22:10.32znfnope
22:10.43znfstill no unlocked version
22:11.54Stanzillaneed to wait for the first 2 patches anyway
22:11.57Stanzillaso you dont ruin it for yourself
22:13.25znfyeah
22:13.35znfapparently it's full of bugs and weird animations
22:14.03nevcairielyeah the animations are sometimes totally weird
22:14.10znfrumour is that the actual copy protection is what is causing that
22:14.19znfbut probably just weird speculation by the crowd
22:14.33znfI don't see how animations could be affected by copy protection
22:15.31znftough, I see that it's really giving the scene a headache
22:16.07nevcairielsomehow i doubt that every video made of it ever was made on some broken version
22:16.21wink> <znf> I don't see how animations could be affected by copy protection
22:16.21winklol
22:16.36znfwink, ?
22:16.44winkI once had a bridge builder sim where the physics were different when you had cisco vpn running
22:16.45nevcairielThere have been games before that just changed their behavior when they noticed they were cracked
22:16.48nevcairiellike becoming insanely hard
22:16.53winkwell, that too
22:17.05winkbut that would bnot explain the normal animation hoohaa :D
22:17.31znfwow, FIFA16 has not been cracked
22:17.34znfthat's impressive
22:17.42znfnot even FIFA 17
22:17.55znflooking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo#List_of_Denuvo_games
22:18.06winkwho would want to play FIFA anyway? :)
22:18.16znfapparently lots of people
22:18.24znfI never understood the appeal of that game, personally
22:18.25winkpeople are weird
22:18.46znftough it's interesting that some games have removed the copy protection
22:18.49znfsome = 4 games
22:19.04znfwonder if it was because of licensing issues, cost, or simply something made it act weird
22:20.20Gnarfozprobably the latter, considering most DRM (and such) schemes mostly negatively affect those who don't try to get around it :P
22:20.31znfalso, what if the crackers are not working on ME:Andromeda because they are waiting for the first few patches? :D
22:21.31znfoh, would you look at the time, Gnarfoz
22:21.34znfyou know what time it is?
22:21.40nevcairielbeer o clock?
22:21.48znftrash'o'clock
22:21.51Gnarfozheh
22:22.11Gnarfozagain? I know you talk trash a lot, but how do you produce enough trash to take out again so soon? :D
22:22.25nevcairielmaybe he has a really tiny bin
22:22.27Gnarfozdon't get run over
22:22.34Stanzillaor tiny hands
22:22.35Stanzillalike trump
22:22.37Gnarfozwhat is th is, a trash bin for ants?
22:22.56Gnarfozalso I lol'd at Trump's healthcare thing failing completely
22:23.00Gnarfozgj
22:23.20nevcairielnext step, get arrested for treason
22:23.46Megaloni like how he threatened to bring back obamacare if his bill got repealed, lol
22:24.07Megalonand how they all call it <nottrump>care :D
22:24.12Stanzillaso nice *_* https://blog.agilebits.com/2017/03/24/hey-oh-android-o/
22:26.10FiskerWow
22:26.19FiskerError loading this resource
22:26.34Stanzillawfm
22:27.17FiskerI'll work for u
22:27.42FiskerArbeit macht Frei and what not
22:28.08StanzillaFisker: did you flash o yet?
22:28.27znfGnarfoz, small bin
22:28.28znf25L
22:28.41znfand I can't seem to find a 45-55L one to buy that is not insanely priced
22:28.52znfI'm not paying 50€ for a "metalic" 45L one
22:29.09FiskerI'm never flashing O Stanzilla
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23:38.20Stanzillawhy not
23:38.24Stanzillawaiting for the ota?

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