IRC log for #wowace on 20170322

00:00.37nevcairielat least in recent years other new scifi shows showed up
00:00.55znfI can't think of anything else other than The Expanse
00:01.06znfoh, and Dark Matter is not bad, either
00:01.08znf>tv dark matter
00:01.10Catal1naDark Matter 2015 (Running). Previous Episode: [2x13] But First, We Save the Galaxy on 2016-09-16 (046 months). Next Episode: not yet scheduled. http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/1819/dark-matter
00:03.15znfI'm still wondering what the hell is a Deflector Dish
00:03.38znfah, there we go
00:03.41znfthe pretty glowy thing
00:04.03nevcairielin star fleet designs the bottom center glowing part
00:04.21nevcairielit deflects space debri using a force field
00:11.56GnarfozNX-01 has it at the front of the saucer
00:13.29nevcairielthe nx01 is mostly just saucer
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09:40.35Fisker:( Stanzilla
09:42.21Fiskermy start menu is flickering
09:42.30Fiskerand my other monitor won't run 60Hz
09:42.38winkznf: I don't believe it's shorter than 20h unless you skip all the side quests :P
09:42.43FiskerWhich I guess means Asus are a bunch of liars
09:43.22winkhttps://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=26802
09:43.48znfwink: I normally play on the easiest difficulty
09:43.57winkI just played the trilogy
09:43.59znfThe story teller thing or what's it called
09:44.10znfI have no desire for the actual game play
09:44.10winkthe numbers in hltb are spot on for me
09:44.20winkthe fights don't really take long
09:44.32winkso if andromeda is even close in gameplay.. just  saying
09:44.56winkI played ME3 on normal in the last weeks and didnt really die before the very last fight
09:45.06nevcairiel5 people aint exactly a statistically relevant number of people
09:45.11wink~29h played with all sidequests (not all achievements)
09:45.36winka friend of mine played for >10h already and didnt sound like he was halfway done.
09:46.05winkI'm still undecided whether to get it
09:46.18winkbtu I don't think it will be <20h :)
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16:08.26Fiskerhttp://www.androidpolice.com/2017/03/22/google-maps-finally-gets-real-time-location-sharing-including-navigation-routes/ Stanzilla
16:17.43Stanzillacool
16:50.06quiescenso.o
16:52.32Timmehhas a cookie real time navigate its way to quiescens.
16:52.49quiescens\o/
16:53.08Stanzillaznf: what do you use for irc on your phone
16:53.46TimmehI heard Gnarfoz has a loo interface for IRC
16:54.28Stanzillahe and nev both use quassel so they are out :D
16:55.00StanzillaI wanted to use irccloud but I'd pay 4 bucks a month and fuck that
16:56.19quiescensjust don't irc from phone ^^
16:58.58quiescensno? ):
16:59.06Stanzillachoke on a cookie
16:59.34TimmehI have weechat running on my server and connect to it using "Weechat Android" using its relay functionality when I need it on my phone
16:59.38Timmehin case that helps
17:01.38quiescenso.o
17:02.32Stanzillawell that is the quassel/bouncer way, I already have a bouncer running though
17:02.47TimmehI don't know what quassel is :-D
17:02.49Stanzillaso I'd need an android client that was updated in the last two years because reasons and lets me connect to my bouncer
17:02.56Stanzillathe same in blue
17:04.20Timmehbut yes, connecting through my weechat instance on my server is basically using it as a bouncer
17:04.34Stanzillayeah
17:05.56nevcairielwhy dont you use quasseldroid
17:07.14Stanzillacan it connect to a non quassel server?
17:07.27nevcairielclearly you should be using quassel everywhere!
17:07.27nevcairiel:D
17:07.41Stanzillaif the quassel client wasnt so bad on the desktop I would
17:08.23nevcairielworks fine for me, but i dont need fancy features, in fact, i dislike them
17:09.29TimmehI just googled some screenshots - looks pretty basic and simple to me
17:09.40Timmehwhich is why I use weechat as well, really...
17:09.55Timmehweechat is quite fancy already, coming from irssi :')
17:11.01quiescensTimmeh used to just telnet into the irc server port and enter commands directly
17:11.12Timmehtotally
17:11.39nevcairielin theory thats not so hard
17:11.44Timmehit really isn't
17:11.47nevcairielif you wouldnt have to respond to ping commands all the time
17:11.47Timmehthe protocol is stupidly simple
17:12.22Megalonyou'd be typing pong all the time :p
17:12.37nevcairielback in the old days, say 15 years ago or so, i dabbled with writing a irc bot
17:12.45quiescensresponding to the periodic server ping, and doing privmsg #wowace for every message o.o
17:12.46nevcairielnever really got finished, but was fun to write the protocol
17:13.57Megaloni did the same once, but with an online game instead of irc, was fun
17:14.00Megalon;7
17:14.11quiescensreported
17:14.32Megalonit was Pirates! but online haha, reall ynice game
17:14.36nevcairieli wrote my share of helper tools for a variety of games
17:14.45Megalonwas fun to find all the stuff they forget to check etc
17:15.01Megalonlike the stats of your crew was client side
17:15.06Megaloni vroom around with 500knots
17:15.08nevcairieli also removed my share fo CD checks from some games, back when this was still super easy =p
17:15.52Megaloni actually wrote that whole stuff in mIRC using it's scripting language haha
17:16.02nevcairielnow thats just sad
17:16.10Megalon:D
17:16.13nevcairieli actually never worked with that beyond some super simple oneliners
17:16.30quiescensthe only thingy i did was remove ridiculous words from particularly terrible language filters
17:16.35quiescenso.o
17:17.02quiescenslike games that had assassin as a class but would prevent you from typing it because it would mean your message had the word ass in it
17:17.40quiescensit was like, how useless does your filter have to be o.o
17:17.43Megalonhaha, world of pirates it was called i think
17:19.12TimmehmIRC, hah, loooong time ago I used that client
17:19.37TimmehI remember scripting all kinds of weird shit for mIRC as well...
17:19.53Megalonwell guess i at least showed the developers that client data is evil
17:19.54Megalon;o
17:20.46Timmehyes, that'll teach them! :-P
17:20.49Timmehnever trust user data!
17:21.18Megalonlike when you left a city the client just sent a packet "spawn me at x,y"
17:21.21Megalonso i had teleport
17:21.22Megalon:<
17:21.28quiescenshax
17:22.00Megalonwell, it started without the proxy to inject stuff
17:22.51Megalonby withdrawing -1 million gold in the bank, then leave city, get your ship sunk so you lose the -1M on your guy
17:23.00Megalonswim back to city and get the 1M from the bank :P
17:23.36TimmehI won my parents a year long free dog food for their (well, I guess at that time "our") dog once, thanks to some voting mechanism that only relied on a Cookie to be set to indicate that you already voted T_T
17:24.50Timmehfun thing is that, because of the number of votes on the other dogs, I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one doing that :-P
17:25.33Megalon:D
17:25.47Megalonit's a hard knock life, manipulating votes
17:25.55TimmehI know right
17:26.23Timmehif you don't watch out, you might accidentally vote some kind of idiot into the office of president
17:26.27Timmehoh wait
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17:28.21quiescenso.o
17:47.07Stanzillahttps://sameroom.io/pricing
17:47.09Stanzillawhat the fuck
17:47.41Megalonrooms, tubes, public
17:47.44Megalonwtf is this fetish shit
17:49.53nevcairielthat is way too expensive
17:50.08Megalon5k, schnäppsche
17:56.52Stanzillayeah
18:07.08Timmehtubes?
18:07.11Timmehdo they get clogged?
18:07.13Timmeho.o
18:07.15Timmehwth
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18:23.46Gnarfozjust had to kill Chrome because a Wowhead tab was using 7.9 GB RAM
18:23.57Gnarfozand that's with Premium and ublock
18:24.09TimmehPremium RAM usage
18:24.10Gnarfoz(sounds more like a Chrome issue tbh, but that's one hell of a coincidence)
18:24.28TimmehI bet it's LastPass' fault!
18:24.29FiskerMight have to install radarr Stanzilla :<
18:25.22Megalonseems like a malware wanted to install it's own os *foz
18:26.11Semlarhow long was the tab open
18:31.46Gnarfoz2 minutes? I had just restarted Chrome for an update
18:32.13Semlarthat is fairly impressive then
18:38.59znfStanzilla: IRC cloud
18:44.06Stanzillaznf: do you pay for it?
18:44.15znfYeah
18:44.54znf$5 here or $5 for a quassel host on a digital ocean droplet. Same shit, I guess
18:45.02znfBut I don't have to do it manually
18:45.50znfTough to be fair, I also run a znc on another instance, to which I connect irccloud to
18:46.22Stanzillayou can only do that on the paid tier though
18:46.26Stanzillabecause that was actually my plan
18:46.43znfAnd I connect hexchat to that so I don't have to change irc client on desktop
18:46.56znfHmm? Do they have new restrictions?
18:47.45Timmehjust trying to understand - if you run a znc instance, why would you need another service inbetween to connect to? you can just use any random IRC client out there to connect to your znc instance, right?
18:49.03znfTimmeh: because there is no other good irc client on mobile other than irccloud
18:49.13znfAt least they weren't 2 years ago
18:49.25Timmehah ok
18:49.33Timmehthat's valid
18:49.44znfAll the ones I tried sucked balls
18:50.06TimmehI guess I only need it occassionally, so I'm fine with the simple setup I mentioned earlier
18:50.17Timmehbut I can see how you'd want a bit more
18:50.17znf*probably* the Quassar one is decent
18:50.48znfBut when you look at the fact that only the f-droid version is properly updated (as Gnarfoz said)
18:51.11znfAnd the play one isn't... You can get a big picture of the irc landscape on mobile
18:51.28znfAnd if you're on ios you're without alternatives
18:53.12Timmehwhat are the things that make irccloud better? stuff like notifications or something? battery drain perhaps?
18:54.11znfPush notifications, running in background properly
18:54.43znfHas a buffer system (tough znc has it too) that displays only the last X messages
18:55.07znfBut mostly the push notifications and the fact that it doesn't need to keep a server connection 24/7
18:55.28znfWhere other clients simply need a connection all around
18:55.54znfWhen you swap networka (WiFi to cell for example), you get disconnected on traditional clients
18:56.10znfSometimes even when changing cell towers
18:56.24Timmehyea, right, it's actually thought about how to implement the mobile aspect of connections in an IRC client
18:56.26Timmehwhile most don't
18:56.29Timmehmakes sense
18:56.42znfOr going trough a low signal area
18:56.57Gnarfozirccloud is basically a slack frontend for IRC of your choice
18:57.05Gnarfozbecause the client doesn't speak IRC
18:57.13znfI haven't tried quassel tough so I'm not sure how the mobile app works
18:57.19Gnarfoz(neither does the Quassel one, but its protocol is not mobile friendly, either)
18:57.23Gnarfozit needs a connection
18:57.44Gnarfozand uses a persistent notification to not get disconnected because Android decices its time for it to go to sleep
18:57.50Gnarfozso, not great in that regard
18:58.03znfAh, so I guess it's still that way
18:58.10Gnarfozbut I only use it on mobile every once in a while, so that's no problem for me. not suited for permanent connectivity, though
18:58.28Timmehyea, similar way that I use it then
18:58.45znfThe only thing I wish irccloud had was a Bouncer-mode
18:58.45Timmehbut yea, I can see why that's far from ideal for basically permanent usage
18:58.47znfSo I can connecty hexchat to it
18:59.01znfBut I solved it my way
18:59.26znfThey do have some desktop client
18:59.36znfBut afaik it's just a wrapper for their website
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19:01.18znfAlso the mobile client has some pretty nice features like an in-line image viewer
19:01.27znfDocs/photo upload
19:03.25znf(also video, but someone tought to put a 25mb limit which makes it useless)
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19:36.57Fiskerrip me Stanzilla
19:49.59Stanzillarip u
19:50.25StanzillaTimmeh: yeah the problem is only mobile
19:50.40Stanzillaznf: and yes, I checked, my znc has a password/user and it does only support that on a paid tier
19:51.25znfah, yes, forgot the password restriction
19:51.35znftough you can do that in perform
19:51.42znfI remember I was doing that
19:52.47znfor does the perform not work either now?
19:53.09znfalso, I remember that if you added a password server while in trial mode, the password would stick around
19:55.31GnarfozAvD - Automobilclub von Deutschland
19:55.35Gnarfozthat sounds so terrible
19:55.49Stanzillamy trial is already over and I havent tried perform because I dont think it will work
20:04.29znfStanzilla, znc takes password in /perform, too
20:04.35znfand I'm sure it works, unless they changed stuff
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20:05.25Stanzillahttp://wiki.znc.in/Perform
20:05.28Stanzilladoesnt look like it
20:07.51Stanzillaalso you cant run /perform before being logged in
20:08.54znfuhm, dude
20:09.01znfthe perform section of irccloud
20:09.29Stanzillaoh
20:09.31Stanzilladunno
20:09.38znfCommands to run on connect — one per line, e.g. for opering up on connect.
20:09.45znfclick the advanced crap
20:10.31znfif you don't pass a password in the connect command, znc asks for a password
20:10.48Stanzillawhats the syntax for that
20:11.51znf* *** You need to send your password. Configure your client to send a server password.
20:11.52znf* *** To connect now, you can use /quote PASS <username>:<password>, or /quote PASS <username>/<network>:<password> to connect to a specific network.
20:12.04znfso:
20:12.08znfPASS user:pass
20:12.09znfor
20:12.14znfPASS user/network:pass
20:12.41StanzillaFailed to connect: Connection refused
20:13.04znfso set the correct hostname and port...?!
20:14.28Stanzillathey are set
20:15.00Stanzillaah
20:15.02Stanzillatypoed
20:15.08Timmehgood job :-P
20:15.30StanzillaI still get the same message as you, znf
20:15.57znfscreenshot and blank the password
20:16.19Stanzillahttps://i.imgur.com/a9uhU7d.png
20:16.25znf...
20:16.31znfremove "/quote pass"
20:16.35znf[22:12:11] <znf> PASS user:pass
20:16.35znf[22:12:12] <znf> or
20:16.35znf[22:12:17] <znf> PASS user/network:pass
20:16.42StanzillaOK
20:16.42znfso just do
20:16.47znfPASS Stan/freenode:znf
20:16.55Stanzillayeah i got that :D
20:17.10TimmehOMGOD HIS PASSWORD IS znf
20:17.14TimmehWAOW
20:17.19Stanzillastill says password required though
20:17.58Timmehmaybe you need to have it enabled in the znf settings to allow authentication like this
20:18.04Timmehwaow
20:18.07Timmehznf settings..
20:18.09Timmehznc settings*
20:18.17Timmehznf: look what you're doing to me :-(
20:18.23znfyou tried reconnecting?
20:18.33Stanzillayes
20:18.52znfhow does the server dialogue looks like now?
20:19.08Stanzillahttps://i.imgur.com/5MwixsL.png
20:19.10znfdo you get error messages?
20:19.18Stanzilla<PROTECTED>
20:19.18Stanzilla9:18 PM *** To connect now, you can use /quote PASS <username>:<password>, or /quote PASS <username>/<network>:<password> to connect to a specific network.
20:19.49Stanzillait works if I enter that manually
20:20.09Stanzillaso either they blocked that because SMRT
20:20.10Stanzillaor dunno
20:20.31Timmehmaybe try "WAIT 2" on the first line and then "PASS Stan/freenode:znf" perhaps it's sending it too quickly - can you see in the log when the auto commands are sent?
20:21.44Stanzillanop
20:22.07Timmehthen perhaps they are smart indeed, but I have a feeling znf will try it in his own irccloud :-P
20:22.16Stanzillayes :D
20:22.33znfbut I pay for premium...
20:22.41Timmehoh
20:22.48Gnarfozsounds terrible, over all
20:22.58znflike I said, it used to work
20:22.59Stanzillanot at all
20:23.03Gnarfozdoesn't znc do SASL so you can make IRCcloud send a server password
20:23.09StanzillaI'm just trying to circumvent their paywall
20:23.11Gnarfozinstead of doing mIRC-like crap :D
20:23.20StanzillaI'm just trying to circumvent their paywall <<
20:23.22Gnarfozlike freenode does for services login
20:23.34TimmehGnarfoz: you need to pay to use that
20:23.35znfwell, you can pass a server password
20:23.36znfbut $$
20:23.42Gnarfozwell
20:23.48Gnarfozget fucked
20:23.55Gnarfoz:D
20:24.50TimmehStanzilla: what about `QUOTE PASS Stan/freenode:znf`
20:24.53znfI have $93 in credit on Digital ocaen :D
20:24.59TimmehStanzilla: as in, what you did before, without the leading /
20:25.01znf\o/
20:25.20StanzillaTimmeh: nope
20:25.29znfhttp://i.imgur.com/cnBTzfz.png
20:25.35StanzillaI think it only runs that after the connection is established
20:26.00Timmehthat's fine, isn't it? you can connect - you just need to send the raw PASS command afterwards
20:26.03znfStanzilla, technically the connection is established
20:26.13Timmeh'xactly
20:26.20Stanzillait says "handshaking"
20:26.24Stanzillaand that is not done
20:26.33znfmeh, no ieda what they changed
20:26.38znfI just give them their $5
20:26.46StanzillaI can just enter that line manually..
20:27.06znfyeah, but it disconnects you after 2 hours of inactivity
20:27.07Timmehwhen it says "to connect now, you can use /quote PASS" you already have established a connection, since you're sending IRC commands
20:27.10znfthat's why it's annoying
20:31.33Timmehjudging from this: https://blog.irccloud.com/jan-2013-recent-improvements/#commands_to_run_on_connect
20:31.50Timmehyou should use `/quote PASS Stan/freenode:znf`
20:32.01Timmeh(with leading /)
20:34.06Stanzillahrm
20:35.44Stanzillanop
20:35.49Timmehmaybe it just hates you
20:37.38znfI'm pretty sure it used to work with RAW commands
20:37.39znfweird
20:38.11Timmehtry /raw instead of /quote :-P
20:38.32Timmehor a WAIT 2 instead of the /raw or /quote, again in case it sends it before znc decides to accept it, or something
20:38.36Megalonor /bareback
20:38.53Timmehor /bristleback
20:39.07Phixion$5 for autosendcmd and cloud based irc, I should start a business
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20:41.09Stanzilladouble nope
20:41.43Megalon/viscousnasalgoos Timmeh
20:42.58GnarfozPhixion: that's what they thought as well
20:44.24Timmehuses /blackkingbar
20:44.32Timmehuses /blademail
20:44.38Timmeh/calls Megalon
20:44.56TimmehI guess that should be /berserkercalls Megalon
20:46.05Timmehthat's actually a hard choice... attack Bristleback in the back, or face his nose while you know what just came out of it...
20:47.32Megalon/quillsprays ferociously
20:54.56Stanzillahttps://www.irccloud.com/faq#faq-znc
20:55.07FiskerGonna take a million years to fix my nas Stanzilla D:
20:58.27Stanzillawhat did you break
20:59.12FiskerNothing
20:59.37FiskerJust need to fix some things because of corral
21:00.01FiskerMigrating my data and it's taking ages
21:04.57StanzillaI see
21:07.34FiskerThink I'm gonna have to use radarr :<
21:08.01FiskerCouchPotato didn't do the best job earlier
21:27.54znfdid I disconnect earlier?
21:28.03Stanzillano
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21:28.55znfweird
21:34.48znfStanzilla, I'm having a weird issue on my laptop with chrome
21:35.02znfall alert popups from chrome are hidden
21:35.03Stanzillanice
21:35.19Stanzillahavent heard of that before
21:35.34Stanzilladid you set the default for notifications to "block"
21:35.38Stanzillaor do you mean alert() from js
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22:08.50znfdear Digital Ocean, I don't mind the fact that you're doing a network maintenanec, but why the fuck do you power off my droplet
22:10.23FiskerI don't think they're here
22:10.40znfFisker, I have faith that you can relay my message
22:10.42znfthanks
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