| 13:18.08 | znf | but, anyway, from personal experience, debit cards are just cards that can't be overdrafted (ie: they are attached to a bank account, and whatever you have on that account can be used with the card) |
| 13:18.29 | nevcairiel | thats the general definition, however there is a bunch of different systems involved |
| 13:18.38 | nevcairiel | some like visa electron mimic being a credit card |
| 13:18.48 | nevcairiel | while maestro and v-pay are distinct different systems |
| 13:19.10 | znf | Why the hell is that so complex? |
| 13:19.40 | nevcairiel | because it has grown over the years and different regions, and wasnt designed :p |
| 13:19.57 | nevcairiel | maestro came out of europe in the 90s |
| 13:20.23 | nevcairiel | all these varying CC cards came from the US |
| 13:20.35 | znf | I remember having a Maestro card ages ago. It felt like a poor man's card, couldn't really do shit with it, except withdraw money from an ATM |
| 13:20.59 | znf | It was the only way to get a card before I turned 18 |
| 13:21.00 | nevcairiel | practically everyone here has a maestro card as part of their normal ATM card |
| 13:21.15 | nevcairiel | (or v-pay with some banks) |
| 13:21.34 | znf | In Romania, Maestro was a popular debit card (the third one after Visa Electron and MasterCard Standard Debit), is still issued by 3 banks: BCR, BRD and Credit Agricole. |
| 13:21.54 | znf | In Germany and Austria, Maestro replaced the Eurocheque system. Austrian Maestro cards are virtually always pure Maestro cards. German Maestro cards, however, are in most cases co-branded with the German Girocard logo. These co-branded cards work like normal Maestro cards within the Maestro network and as Girocards within the Girocard network, but they cannot be used as Maestro over the telephone or on the internet. |
| 13:22.28 | nevcairiel | right our maestro cards dont have the typical credit-card-esque numbers |
| 13:22.55 | nevcairiel | but its good enough to get money in most countries on this world |
| 13:23.19 | nevcairiel | and credit cards are rather uncommon in germany, although with the rise of the internet shopping people get them more often now |
| 13:23.33 | nevcairiel | (see Gnarfoz having one but never using it :p) |
| 13:31.49 | znf | same, really uncommon |
| 13:33.12 | znf | Why do people get them for internet shopping? |
| 13:54.04 | Phixion | I have a virtual CC |
| 13:54.16 | Gnarfoz | znf:Â because 'murica? :P |
| 13:54.21 | Phixion | (for geforce now) |
| 13:54.29 | Gnarfoz | i.e. CC is the most widely accepted payment method online |
| 13:54.39 | Phixion | and the most insecure |
| 13:54.52 | znf | I can pay with my debit card...? |
| 13:54.57 | Gnarfoz | online? |
| 13:55.34 | znf | yes? |
| 13:55.37 | Gnarfoz | how? |
| 13:55.42 | znf | ...?!? |
| 13:55.47 | znf | What do you mean how? |
| 13:55.51 | znf | I just have a visa electron |
| 13:55.51 | Gnarfoz | I mean how |
| 13:55.58 | Gnarfoz | so it's a Visa |
| 13:55.58 | znf | that's the only card I own |
| 13:56.07 | znf | yeah, don't mastercards work the same? |
| 13:56.12 | Gnarfoz | sure, but maestro doesn't |
| 13:56.17 | znf | ew? |
| 13:56.51 | Gnarfoz | anyway, these things don't translate well across country borders |
| 13:56.59 | znf | So what do you do? You have different cards for different tasks...? |
| 13:57.11 | nevcairiel | visa electon is just a credit card with different behavior on your end |
| 13:57.24 | nevcairiel | maestro is an entirely different system |
| 13:58.45 | znf | but, really now, you have different cards...? |
| 13:58.47 | znf | for different things? |
| 13:59.09 | Gnarfoz | why do you think it's about cards? |
| 13:59.33 | Gnarfoz | most typical German online payment methods don't require a card |
| 14:00.12 | Gnarfoz | typical online payment methods in Germany include: wire transfer, reverse wire transfer (not sure how that translates), invoice, and more recently CC, PayPal (and competitors), and weird crap like "Sofortüberweisung" |
| 14:00.29 | nevcairiel | most germans just have one card, a girocard/maestro |
| 14:00.47 | znf | wth is a reverse wire transfer? |
| 14:00.57 | Gnarfoz | (heh, ironically, "reverse wire transfer" is translated as "direct debit", which it kind of is... but what does my card have to do with it? nothing) |
| 14:00.59 | nevcairiel | direct debit |
| 14:01.05 | Phixion | sofortüberweisung isnt weird, i just dont get why this is a 3rd party service and not a bank service |
| 14:01.18 | znf | what's sofot... w/e |
| 14:01.26 | Gnarfoz | Phixion:Â because their entire modus operandi is insecure? :P |
| 14:01.29 | Semlar | why does curse think my addon has 2 images and one of them is blank |
| 14:01.38 | Phixion | Gnarfoz: no? |
| 14:01.45 | Gnarfoz | Phixion:Â yes? :P |
| 14:01.52 | Phixion | jsut forwards you to your bank right? |
| 14:01.54 | nevcairiel | sofortüberweisung is a wire transfer where an external service provides immediate confirmation of the transfer instead of having to wait until it actually arrives |
| 14:02.06 | Gnarfoz | and you hand them your online banking login data to achieve that |
| 14:02.10 | Gnarfoz | so... no thanks |
| 14:02.20 | znf | you do what now? |
| 14:02.51 | znf | so wth is a reverse wire transfer? |
| 14:02.58 | nevcairiel | direct debit |
| 14:03.10 | Gnarfoz | direct debit, but you kept going on about cards, so I tried to not use that term |
| 14:03.15 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 14:03.24 | Gnarfoz | because it has nothing to do with a card |
| 14:03.31 | Gnarfoz | and it doesn't use Maestro, either |
| 14:03.43 | nevcairiel | yeah ELV is entirely unrelated to that |
| 14:03.48 | znf | ok, nevermind paying for services |
| 14:04.03 | znf | let's talk goods |
| 14:04.05 | Phixion | Gnarfoz: *shrug* I thought only BLZ is of need. then sends you to your online banking logon page |
| 14:04.13 | nevcairiel | goods are no different =p |
| 14:04.14 | Gnarfoz | it's a company telling my bank "hey, this guy told us we could grab 199,99⬠from his account 1234567, deal?" and then they get their money |
| 14:04.20 | znf | How do you direct debit for goods...?! |
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| 14:04.38 | Gnarfoz | are you trying to say "how do you pay in a shop?" |
| 14:04.41 | Gnarfoz | vs. online |
| 14:05.03 | Gnarfoz | https://goo.gl/photos/7N2MHzB6xqcf3zqk9 :D I just took that on my way to get lunch |
| 14:05.20 | znf | online. |
| 14:05.35 | nevcairiel | direct debit can be one-time |
| 14:05.35 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure why you think we were talking about services before |
| 14:05.41 | znf | It can? Oh. |
| 14:05.42 | Gnarfoz | (or why there would be a distinction) |
| 14:06.16 | znf | Direct Debit is usually for paying monthly services/utilities here, like, "I authorize my power company to deduct whatever amount in the limit of X from my account" |
| 14:06.30 | nevcairiel | we use it for one-time payments as well |
| 14:06.42 | Gnarfoz | (like I said above) |
| 14:06.53 | znf | Interesting |
| 14:07.07 | Gnarfoz | it's the main cashless payment method in Germany by far |
| 14:07.18 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 14:07.29 | znf | Only big players here have a strong enough hand to actually allow that |
| 14:07.30 | Gnarfoz | and "girocard" (top left in my photo) is the physical manifestation of that |
| 14:07.37 | nevcairiel | althugh sofortüberweisung and paypal probably eat into that these days on the internet |
| 14:07.58 | Gnarfoz | but Sofortüberweisung ends up being a DD in the end either way, doesn't it? |
| 14:08.10 | nevcairiel | no, its a normal wire transfer from your side |
| 14:08.15 | Gnarfoz | oh, interesting |
| 14:08.16 | nevcairiel | even needs a tan and everything |
| 14:08.24 | Gnarfoz | right, that's also why they need my TANs |
| 14:08.25 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 14:08.35 | nevcairiel | i've only used it once i think |
| 14:08.45 | Gnarfoz | (see above re: not secure) |
| 14:08.46 | nevcairiel | i prefer paypal when its offered because i usually have credit there from curse payments |
| 14:08.52 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 14:09.07 | znf | Oh fuck off, Cogent |
| 14:09.16 | znf | I asked "give me a price for 1Gbps and 2Gbps" |
| 14:09.28 | Gnarfoz | (also, who the hell designed that sticker? had they moved that weird "cardNmore" thing to the top right corner and moved maestro/mastercard one down, everything would line up! grr) |
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| 14:09.40 | Gnarfoz | I don't even know what cardNmore is |
| 14:09.42 | znf | And it's like the 4th email now |
| 14:09.45 | znf | And I'm getting bored. |
| 14:10.02 | Gnarfoz | hahaha "Das Netto cardNmore Bonusprogramm ist seit 31.05.2016 beendet. |
| 14:10.02 | Gnarfoz | " |
| 14:10.04 | znf | Also, HE.net can suck my balls with their advertisting of $0.22/Mbps |
| 14:10.08 | Gnarfoz | well, maybe they should get a new sticker. |
| 14:10.33 | Gnarfoz | I think that was replaced by Deutschlandcard |
| 14:10.35 | nevcairiel | never even heard of cardNmore |
| 14:10.53 | nevcairiel | but i dont go to netto |
| 14:11.22 | znf | but yeah, how we pay for stuff online here is usually: wire transfer (too slow, only companies use that), card, cash on delivery |
| 14:11.37 | nevcairiel | cardNmore was apparently just a giro/maestro card |
| 14:11.40 | Gnarfoz | I totally forgot CoD on my list earlier |
| 14:11.54 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â nah, that's something a bank offered in addition, I think |
| 14:12.29 | nevcairiel | so it was literally just a payback-clone? |
| 14:12.30 | Gnarfoz | in any case, that (and its successor Deutschlandcard) is basically their feeble attempt at competing with Payback |
| 14:12.34 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 14:12.43 | znf | only 15% of online transactions are with a card |
| 14:12.49 | znf | maybe less than 2% wire transfer |
| 14:12.54 | Gnarfoz | so the rest is CoD? |
| 14:12.56 | znf | and everything else is cash on delivery |
| 14:12.57 | znf | yup |
| 14:13.04 | nevcairiel | i have not once used CoD |
| 14:13.09 | nevcairiel | that would require me having cash |
| 14:13.18 | znf | I hate cod |
| 14:13.22 | Gnarfoz | I have with hardwareversand.de, they were Amazon.de-levels of fast with it |
| 14:13.23 | znf | I never really have that much cash on me |
| 14:13.40 | znf | problem is, small online shops don't take cards |
| 14:13.40 | Gnarfoz | and they supported Packstation |
| 14:13.49 | znf | because of the fees |
| 14:13.54 | Gnarfoz | so I could send it there, and Packstation lets you pay the CoD with... tada: girocard :D |
| 14:14.03 | Gnarfoz | (or maybe Maestro, who knows) |
| 14:14.07 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: heh |
| 14:14.12 | Gnarfoz | so I didn't need actual cash, hax |
| 14:14.23 | nevcairiel | hardwareversand was always slightly annoying with payment options |
| 14:14.31 | nevcairiel | didnt offer all the good ones |
| 14:14.39 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I wouldn't have used them except for this method |
| 14:14.45 | nevcairiel | but ded now |
| 14:14.48 | Gnarfoz | wire transfer is annoying |
| 14:14.52 | znf | I'm hoping that delivery companies implement a POS for cards |
| 14:15.02 | znf | So I can order "cash on delivery" (or, rather: "swipe on delivery") |
| 14:15.08 | Gnarfoz | "swipe" wut |
| 14:15.10 | Gnarfoz | EMV mate |
| 14:15.27 | nevcairiel | didnt some delivery companies actually offer girocard payment with CoD |
| 14:15.27 | Gnarfoz | don't tell me you're on US levels of awesomeness with cards and still use the magstripe? |
| 14:15.38 | znf | "swipe" |
| 14:15.42 | znf | no |
| 14:15.47 | znf | it just sounds better to swipe! |
| 14:16.19 | Gnarfoz | we can return to that terminology when it's all NFC :D |
| 14:16.27 | Gnarfoz | (even though they use "tap") |
| 14:16.28 | nebula | Torhal: https redir broke https://www.wowace.com/themes/ (selecting a theme) |
| 14:16.36 | Gnarfoz | "Empfänger einer Nachnahme-Sendung können diese bei der Auslieferung durch den Zusteller in bar oder bis zu einem Wert von 500 ⬠mit der POSTCARD bezahlen. Benachrichtigte Nachnahme-Sendungen, die Sie in der Postfiliale abholen, können Sie selbstverständlich auch mit der EC- Karte bezahlen. |
| 14:16.36 | Gnarfoz | " |
| 14:16.39 | Gnarfoz | wtf is POSTCARD |
| 14:16.45 | Gnarfoz | the rabbit hole goes ever deeper |
| 14:17.08 | nevcairiel | https://www.efiliale.de/efiliale/pc_antrag/pc_info.jsp?Item=prod2670007 |
| 14:17.19 | Gnarfoz | pff only for business customers |
| 14:17.23 | nevcairiel | proprietary payment option? |
| 14:17.28 | Gnarfoz | https://www.deutschepost.de/de/p/postcard.html |
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| 14:18.09 | Gnarfoz | how do they have the same content on two different domains, one of which has pretty URLs and the other has that Java Server Pages shit |
| 14:18.18 | znf | I always feel like laughing at americans |
| 14:18.23 | znf | paying a convenience fee to pay online... |
| 14:18.25 | Gnarfoz | oh right, because they're fucking incompetent :D |
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| 14:18.26 | znf | jesus |
| 14:18.32 | Gnarfoz | znf:Â they what? lol |
| 14:18.34 | Gnarfoz | really? |
| 14:18.38 | znf | https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/4vmcyr/my_apartment_complex_decided_to_go_paperless_so/ |
| 14:18.55 | nebula | shitty places do that |
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| 14:19.14 | Gnarfoz | those are some nice fees for the CCs |
| 14:19.41 | nevcairiel | americans still write paper cheques and mail them around, so what else is new |
| 14:20.16 | nebula | yea, pretty sure a landlord would be require to accept a check if someone didn't want to do that shit online |
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| 14:20.22 | nevcairiel | they even have drive-in bank terminals with tube mail where you can put in your cheques |
| 14:20.22 | nebula | required* |
| 14:20.45 | nebula | i used to love that shit as a kid |
| 14:20.51 | nebula | in goes the check, out comes the candy |
| 14:21.11 | nevcairiel | it just looks like something out of the 70s or something |
| 14:21.24 | znf | those vacuum tubes thingies? |
| 14:21.26 | nebula | yea |
| 14:22.00 | znf | those seem cool |
| 14:22.07 | nevcairiel | those seem antiquated |
| 14:22.15 | znf | still cool |
| 14:22.36 | nebula | the jetsons had them, they're from the fuuuuuutuuuuure |
| 14:23.04 | Gnarfoz | our Real supermarket had a tube system (for what, I don't know) |
| 14:23.12 | znf | cash |
| 14:23.15 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 14:23.37 | znf | I've seen it in Selgros or Metro, can't remember where |
| 14:23.39 | Gnarfoz | (although cash is heavy... is that really a good use for it?) |
| 14:23.49 | Gnarfoz | real belongs to Metro, so probably there |
| 14:23.51 | nevcairiel | anyway clearly the car has a different value in the US either way, so you get things like drive-in dinners with a small speaker/microphone box for each car to order and shit like that .. and of course drive-in banks |
| 14:24.00 | nevcairiel | but it just looks so absurd when you are not from there |
| 14:24.13 | Gnarfoz | also what the hell are sidewalks |
| 14:24.14 | znf | once the clerks checked out, they strapped the cash and placed it those vacuum tubes |
| 14:24.14 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 14:24.48 | Gnarfoz | hm, that's not what they used it for here at least, everyone just has their own entire cash-tray thing for the register |
| 14:24.52 | znf | we have plastic money, so no idea how heavy is :D |
| 14:24.59 | Gnarfoz | plastic coins? |
| 14:25.03 | znf | bills |
| 14:25.17 | Gnarfoz | well bills are relatively light, I was thinking of coins |
| 14:25.17 | znf | by checking out I mean ending their shift |
| 14:25.22 | Gnarfoz | yeah I figured |
| 14:25.30 | nevcairiel | they usually take their entire tray back with them |
| 14:25.30 | Gnarfoz | they just take their cash tray with them here |
| 14:25.39 | znf | ofc they have a cash tray, those are mandatory by law |
| 14:25.40 | nevcairiel | count it later |
| 14:26.02 | Gnarfoz | which cash would they place in the tube, then? |
| 14:26.09 | znf | bills |
| 14:26.10 | znf | ! |
| 14:26.18 | Gnarfoz | bills are cash |
| 14:26.21 | Gnarfoz | wtf? :P |
| 14:26.28 | znf | what don't you get? |
| 14:26.37 | Gnarfoz | why wouldn't they leave the bills in their cash tray? |
| 14:26.38 | znf | they have a cash tray, that's where the money goes during the shift |
| 14:26.47 | mfgmfg | it'd be legal if they built the payment cost into the lease agreement |
| 14:27.06 | znf | at the end of the shift, they take out the bills, count/stack/whatever, put them in the vacuum tube |
| 14:27.19 | nevcairiel | they usually tend to do the counting away from the public here |
| 14:27.22 | nevcairiel | so no clue where it goes |
| 14:27.35 | znf | this was over 10 years ago, mind you, I'm not sure they're still using them |
| 14:27.36 | nevcairiel | they just take their tray and leave |
| 14:27.39 | Gnarfoz | it goes into the safe |
| 14:27.49 | Gnarfoz | (I worked retail for a bit a decade ago) |
| 14:28.26 | Gnarfoz | I guess shops might have various systems, of course |
| 14:28.34 | znf | http://www.androidcentral.com/honor-note-8-unveiled-china-massive-66-inch-qhd-display-kirin-955-soc |
| 14:28.36 | znf | wth huawei |
| 14:28.38 | Gnarfoz | what the hell I'm getting so much spam today |
| 14:29.03 | mfgmfg | so.. what's the resolution? |
| 14:29.06 | Gnarfoz | znf:Â inb4 Galaxy Note 7 |
| 14:29.15 | mfgmfg | i do not know what 'qhd' means |
| 14:29.18 | Gnarfoz | 6.6-inch QHD display. |
| 14:29.21 | znf | Quad-HD |
| 14:29.26 | mfgmfg | which is.. |
| 14:29.28 | znf | 2560x1440 |
| 14:29.31 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 14:29.33 | znf | or, other way around |
| 14:29.40 | Gnarfoz | y*x |
| 14:29.41 | mfgmfg | it's not 1920*2x1080*2? |
| 14:29.41 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 14:29.45 | Gnarfoz | that's UHD |
| 14:29.52 | mfgmfg | what's UQHD |
| 14:29.55 | Gnarfoz | nothing |
| 14:29.59 | mfgmfg | QUHD? |
| 14:30.04 | Gnarfoz | (yet, I guess) |
| 14:30.11 | nevcairiel | UQHD is 3440x1440 |
| 14:30.18 | nevcairiel | ie ultra-wide QHD |
| 14:30.19 | Gnarfoz | but that's "wide" |
| 14:30.20 | nebula | there's a SUHD, too |
| 14:30.30 | Gnarfoz | that's Samsung's brand name for nano-particle HDR displays |
| 14:30.42 | nebula | SUPER ULTRA |
| 14:30.50 | Gnarfoz | probably more like Samsung Ultra |
| 14:30.52 | znf | do not confuse with qHD :P |
| 14:31.01 | Gnarfoz | quarter-hd? |
| 14:31.11 | znf | yes |
| 14:31.12 | Gnarfoz | UQHD should really be WQHD |
| 14:31.16 | Gnarfoz | or even UWQHD |
| 14:31.27 | nevcairiel | WQHD is 1440p |
| 14:31.28 | znf | 960x540 used to be common as a phone screen resolution :P |
| 14:31.37 | Gnarfoz | but QHD is already wide |
| 14:31.46 | znf | UWQHD is 21:9 |
| 14:31.54 | nevcairiel | UWQHD is also 3440x1440, guess some people like to skip the W |
| 14:31.57 | Gnarfoz | I guess someone on the acronym-committee missed the train that 16:9 has been the standard for a long time |
| 14:32.06 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 14:32.16 | znf | >One advantage of using "WQHD" is avoiding confusion with qHD with a small q (960x540). |
| 14:32.35 | Gnarfoz | MOAR LETTERS |
| 14:32.36 | mfgmfg | what's XQWHUSKLMNOHD? |
| 14:32.45 | Gnarfoz | mfgmfg:Â that's TBD |
| 14:33.00 | znf | WSXGA+ |
| 14:33.00 | nevcairiel | there is all sorts of double acronyms for various things |
| 14:33.03 | znf | bitch, please |
| 14:33.27 | mfgmfg | maybe we should stop using letters and move to some system where we use numbers to describe the resolution |
| 14:33.29 | nevcairiel | at least those XGA names have been mostly discontinued |
| 14:33.32 | mfgmfg | perhaps how high and how wide it is |
| 14:33.44 | mfgmfg | X for width, Y for height, XxY describes it |
| 14:33.55 | nebula | too long |
| 14:33.57 | znf | numbers confuse consumers |
| 14:34.13 | nevcairiel | we already have simpler names like 1080p and 1440p for the "default" aspect ratio of 16:9 |
| 14:34.16 | mfgmfg | okay, you can just use the width, then add a letter after it |
| 14:34.24 | mfgmfg | to say if it's interlaced or progressive |
| 14:34.32 | znf | interlaced shouldn't exist |
| 14:34.59 | mfgmfg | but it allows you to halve the framerate and double the resolution! |
| 14:35.09 | znf | ... |
| 14:35.13 | mfgmfg | sports would look so good in double the resolution! |
| 14:35.21 | mfgmfg | (no they didn't) |
| 14:35.23 | Gnarfoz | *temporal resolution |
| 14:35.40 | mfgmfg | 720p far superior to 1080i for football |
| 14:35.45 | Gnarfoz | how so? |
| 14:35.52 | Gnarfoz | is your deinterlacer broken? |
| 14:35.59 | mfgmfg | motion compression works better |
| 14:36.05 | znf | interlacing simply sucks |
| 14:36.07 | nevcairiel | no it doesnt |
| 14:36.19 | znf | yes it does |
| 14:36.20 | znf | !! |
| 14:36.30 | znf | just make everything progressive |
| 14:36.37 | znf | interlacing feels like half-assing things |
| 14:36.45 | nevcairiel | besides, TV broadcasts are usually *either* 720p50 or 1080i50 here, so both contain the same temporal resolution |
| 14:37.07 | Gnarfoz | keeping with todays topic of confusing terms describing things in non-obvious ways: most european broadcasts labeled as 1080i are actually use 1080i50 to transport 1080p25 in some special format |
| 14:37.11 | mfgmfg | CBS 1080i always loses fidelity when they switch cameras - everything goes fuzzy for a second |
| 14:37.17 | nevcairiel | and with a good deinterlacer thats about the same amount of information |
| 14:37.28 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel probably knows what I'm talking about |
| 14:37.34 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: its called telecine |
| 14:37.43 | Gnarfoz | that's not what I mean |
| 14:37.53 | Gnarfoz | (I think. :P) |
| 14:37.54 | nevcairiel | but you should be happy we're in europe, you wont notice that |
| 14:38.10 | nevcairiel | because every half-frame just gets doubled when doing that |
| 14:38.14 | Gnarfoz | can't log into my BT tracker from work or I'd look it up for the 200th time |
| 14:38.23 | nevcairiel | if you were in the US, you would have a 24p -> 60i transformation |
| 14:38.26 | nevcairiel | thats just worse |
| 14:38.53 | nevcairiel | that results in uneven motion if not compensated for properly |
| 14:39.02 | nevcairiel | (ie. micro stutters) |
| 14:39.05 | Gnarfoz | US can just get lost with their 1950's backward compatibility |
| 14:39.34 | Gnarfoz | 23.976? 29.97? 59.95? fuck off! :D |
| 14:39.43 | nevcairiel | well thats irrelevant to the issue at hand |
| 14:39.49 | Gnarfoz | I know |
| 14:39.53 | nevcairiel | because 23.976 -> 59.95 or 24->60 .. same problem :D |
| 14:40.02 | Gnarfoz | just piling on |
| 14:40.18 | Gnarfoz | today is "hate stuff that's terrible today because it was invented way back then" |
| 14:40.21 | Gnarfoz | ...day |
| 14:40.25 | znf | can we just shoot everything in 60fps? |
| 14:40.35 | Gnarfoz | we could, but that'd be sane. |
| 14:40.53 | znf | does the power grid being weird for them even have any effect anymore on their tvs? |
| 14:40.57 | nevcairiel | the problem is that all the equipment would have to be replaced, and thats just expensive |
| 14:41.02 | nevcairiel | so naturally, they dont want to |
| 14:41.15 | Gnarfoz | znf:Â I'd hope not anymore, lol |
| 14:41.18 | mfgmfg | the 720p/1080i trucks cost well over a million dollars when they came out |
| 14:41.37 | nevcairiel | not to mention that bandwidth costs money |
| 14:41.45 | znf | I'm still baffled that they use 110V, still |
| 14:41.47 | Gnarfoz | trucks? live tv |
| 14:41.48 | nevcairiel | so they rather go 4k/24 instead of 4k/60 to boot |
| 14:42.01 | Gnarfoz | and yet they stay with h264 |
| 14:42.04 | mfgmfg | Gnarfoz, trucks that go from sports event to sports event |
| 14:42.06 | Gnarfoz | or even mpeg2 :D |
| 14:42.13 | Gnarfoz | mfgmfg:Â sports is not the only thing on TV though :D |
| 14:42.34 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: well proper UHD broadcasts will go to hevc sooner or later, h264 is just not very well suited for it anymore |
| 14:42.56 | nevcairiel | german dvb-t2 even uses hevc for ordinary HD now :D |
| 14:42.58 | Gnarfoz | I bet they're still going to b/w starve it, regardless |
| 14:43.23 | znf | poor japan https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Power_Grid_of_Japan.svg |
| 14:43.46 | znf | they use both 50Hz and 60Hz |
| 14:43.57 | Gnarfoz | Japan is just fucked |
| 14:43.59 | nevcairiel | any sane device can deal with either though |
| 14:44.15 | nevcairiel | or even 110/240 |
| 14:44.53 | Gnarfoz | sane, yes, but that's not most of them |
| 14:45.31 | znf | The 15 kV AC rail networks, used in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway, still operate at 16â
Hz or 16.7 Hz. |
| 14:45.45 | Gnarfoz | particularly deadly |
| 14:46.08 | nevcairiel | rail power is special either way |
| 14:47.21 | nevcairiel | only used by trains =p |
| 14:48.04 | Gnarfoz | aaaand now quasselweb has forgotten how to properly stay at the newest message of a buffer |
| 14:48.36 | znf | TIL there's a 400Hz power distribution standard |
| 14:48.57 | Gnarfoz | power distribution is a different beast than household power |
| 14:49.01 | nevcairiel | probably helps to avoid loss |
| 14:49.05 | znf | (military) |
| 14:56.33 | Gnarfoz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_segmented_frame finally found it :D |
| 14:58.38 | nevcairiel | PsF is practically identical to 2:2 telecine, you usually speak of telecine when there is a "film" original and it gets converted, while PsF is typically used when a camera straight out records like that |
| 14:58.51 | nevcairiel | but in the end, the stream cotnains the same thing |
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| 15:21.19 | Gnarfoz | still stuck on this whole payment card mess... |
| 15:21.40 | nevcairiel | why do you care again |
| 15:21.41 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 15:21.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm not entirely sure. :P |
| 15:22.08 | nevcairiel | its not like you really need anything but your girocard in germany |
| 15:22.44 | Gnarfoz | ultimate goal: pay with the NFC in my phone |
| 15:22.53 | nevcairiel | good luck with that |
| 15:22.58 | Gnarfoz | but I haven't found a solution for that, yet that works in Germany |
| 15:23.12 | Gnarfoz | so NFC-enabled card it is |
| 15:23.15 | nevcairiel | its not like you can single handedly force shops to adopt a system you like |
| 15:23.53 | Megalon | fuck yea i can |
| 15:23.57 | Gnarfoz | that's why I'm surveying the landscape to see what exists (LOTS OF SHIT) and what's usable (not much) |
| 15:24.03 | Megalon | is now known as recep erdogan |
| 15:24.04 | Megalon | 8) |
| 15:24.10 | nevcairiel | Megalon: go back to your Bankomatkarte |
| 15:24.12 | Gnarfoz | also who offers that stuff at reasonable conditions |
| 15:24.32 | Megalon | my what |
| 15:24.32 | Gnarfoz | side-goal: maybe find something I can replace my Sparkasse account with |
| 15:24.51 | nevcairiel | wikipedia claims thats what you call your ATM cards Megalon =p |
| 15:24.57 | Megalon | btw i have such n nfc bankcard |
| 15:25.24 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: finding a good girokonto isnt the problem, the problem is being not-lazy to move everything, every recurring elv .. everything |
| 15:32.57 | Gnarfoz | that's the biggest amount of work to be done for sure |
| 15:33.17 | Gnarfoz | finding a good one is still a challenge, though |
| 15:33.27 | Gnarfoz | who knows how long N26 is going to live? :D |
| 15:33.33 | Gnarfoz | not really prepared to trust them with my money |
| 15:34.40 | nevcairiel | some people seem to like their newest offerings |
| 15:34.41 | nevcairiel | but yeah |
| 15:35.32 | Gnarfoz | https://www.o2online.de/banking/ :D instead of earning ridiculously low 0.x% interest, you earn mobile data |
| 15:35.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:35.55 | Gnarfoz | (which of course should not be supported, because the entire "mobile data scarcity" thing needs to die) |
| 15:40.36 | nevcairiel | if the ISPs get their will they would rather add caps to home internet connection as well, instead of removing it fro mobile =p |
| 15:40.43 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 15:41.02 | Gnarfoz | o2 being the one of them that's already actively doing that |
| 15:41.11 | Gnarfoz | -the |
| 15:41.25 | nevcairiel | do they actually enforce it? |
| 15:41.40 | nevcairiel | telekom has/had it in their contracts but supposedly never activated |
| 15:42.11 | Gnarfoz | actually I think Telekom was the one where it was all bark and no bite: they never had it in and they never used it |
| 15:42.13 | nevcairiel | vodafone also has it in their cable contracts, even quite prominently on the product pages, not sure if they enforce it |
| 15:42.32 | Gnarfoz | vodafone actually has plans called 200V or so, those are capped |
| 15:42.40 | Gnarfoz | because they're not allowed to call them flatrate anymore :D |
| 15:42.53 | Gnarfoz | https://werdrosselt.de/ |
| 15:42.54 | nevcairiel | you cant get a cable internet thing without cap from them, afaik |
| 15:43.12 | nevcairiel | page agrees |
| 15:43.18 | Gnarfoz | yeah, you can, they offer both |
| 15:43.21 | Gnarfoz | so does O2 |
| 15:43.30 | nevcairiel | not last i checkked |
| 15:43.39 | Gnarfoz | 15⬠"option" |
| 15:44.13 | nevcairiel | hm dont show that on the promo page |
| 15:44.17 | Gnarfoz | really? hm |
| 15:44.48 | nevcairiel | oh there it is in the fineprint |
| 15:44.50 | nevcairiel | really hidden |
| 15:44.54 | nevcairiel | only in the fineprint of the pdf |
| 15:45.12 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.18 | Gnarfoz | https://www.o2online.de/dsl-und-festnetz/beratung-und-service/fair-use/?partnerId%3Ded-wkbrand |
| 15:45.22 | Gnarfoz | bottom right |
| 15:45.22 | nevcairiel | its 20â¬+ btw |
| 15:45.28 | nevcairiel | mine was vodafone |
| 15:45.55 | nevcairiel | 44.99 -> 64.99 for the 400mbit line, just for flatrate |
| 15:46.00 | Gnarfoz | wheeee. |
| 15:46.21 | Gnarfoz | I get 100/40 for 37.98 from 1&1 |
| 15:46.27 | nevcairiel | at least its 1000GB, not 300GB like o2 |
| 15:46.39 | Gnarfoz | O2 is just ridiculous now |
| 15:47.14 | nevcairiel | 37.98 is an odd price |
| 15:47.15 | Megalon | i have 30/6 for 32.90 8( |
| 15:47.39 | Gnarfoz | 34.99 for 100/20 + 2.99 for /40 :D |
| 15:47.43 | Megalon | 100/20 would be 59.90 :D |
| 15:47.43 | Gnarfoz | fucking .99 |
| 15:47.46 | nevcairiel | i'm at 39.95 for 50/10 |
| 15:48.04 | nevcairiel | not sure how much more they want for vectoring once it bcomes available |
| 15:48.06 | nevcairiel | should check on that |
| 15:48.14 | Gnarfoz | 5⬠IIRC |
| 15:49.46 | nevcairiel | right 44.95 for 100/40 |
| 15:50.08 | nevcairiel | and they still use the word "Flat" =p |
| 15:50.14 | Gnarfoz | they are allowed to |
| 15:50.18 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 15:50.18 | Gnarfoz | theirs are flatrates! |
| 15:50.18 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:50.26 | nevcairiel | they removed the unused cap clause |
| 15:50.51 | Gnarfoz | yea, they went back on their plans further than where they were before they announced them, lol |
| 15:51.12 | Gnarfoz | but O2 saw someone was making a move and went full steam ahead |
| 15:51.16 | Gnarfoz | maybe that was the plan all along |
| 15:51.26 | nevcairiel | trick the others into screwing up? |
| 15:51.27 | Gnarfoz | make the competitors make fools of themselves |
| 15:51.40 | Gnarfoz | who knows, DTAG :D |
| 15:52.02 | Gnarfoz | Fidor bank thing was actually one of my favourites from today, they are also the bank o2 uses for that weird data cap banking |
| 15:52.12 | Gnarfoz | not sure if that's a + or a - for Fidor |
| 15:52.22 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:52.43 | Gnarfoz | hm, you get a "Debit MasterCard", which is a MasterCard without an actual line of credit |
| 15:52.57 | Gnarfoz | which works everywhere MasterCards work |
| 15:53.17 | Gnarfoz | even though that is basically the same thing as Maestro (which is also from MasterCard, the company) - but is a different syste |
| 15:53.18 | Gnarfoz | m |
| 15:53.21 | Gnarfoz | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 15:53.38 | Gnarfoz | wtb financial meltdown, Mr Robot style |
| 15:53.52 | Gnarfoz | (or Fight Club, if that's more your speed) |
| 15:54.00 | nevcairiel | that reminds me that I wanted to watch season 2 |
| 15:54.29 | Gnarfoz | it has not quite picked up as much steam as season 1 had at this point, IMHO |
| 15:54.53 | Gnarfoz | but they're getting there, I think |
| 15:55.31 | Gnarfoz | the really weird thing about that o2 banking |
| 15:55.37 | Gnarfoz | WHY does it not also work with the phone's NFC |
| 15:55.57 | Gnarfoz | is PayPass generally incompatible with that? |
| 15:56.01 | nevcairiel | they just killed mpass earlier, maybe th replacement is just not done yet |
| 15:56.02 | Gnarfoz | there must be some reason... |
| 15:56.10 | Gnarfoz | this is the replacement, tbh |
| 15:56.24 | Gnarfoz | might not be feature-complete, but mpass also didn't do this |
| 15:56.28 | Gnarfoz | so... I give up |
| 15:56.42 | Gnarfoz | I'll check again in 2017 :P |
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| 15:57.10 | Gnarfoz | it'll probably be Apple Pay that launches in Germany first, to everyone's annoyancew |
| 15:57.33 | Gnarfoz | pffff google "paypass nfc handy" - first hit: mpass homepage. |
| 15:58.13 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 15:58.43 | nevcairiel | that these companies dont realize that they just wont get market adoption by splintering the market into 10 solutions |
| 15:58.49 | Gnarfoz | https://www.aldi-sued.de/de/aldi-sued-a-bis-z/aldi-sued-a-bis-z/k/kontaktlose-zahlung/ that's an impressive list, actually |
| 15:58.51 | nevcairiel | i suppose apple is just arrogant |
| 15:59.02 | nevcairiel | "we're apple, they'll come" |
| 15:59.29 | Gnarfoz | I think it's our complicated/diverse banking landscape that's also hindering it |
| 15:59.39 | Gnarfoz | (they also want to push their own platforms) |
| 16:12.16 | znf | I lost the hope that I will ever pay with my phone in my country |
| 16:12.22 | Gnarfoz | " Telekom myWallet beispielsweise gibt es nur zusammen mit einem Mobilfunkvertrag bei der Telekom. |
| 16:12.22 | Gnarfoz | " -- whyyyyyy |
| 16:12.33 | Gnarfoz | also where'd that linebreak come from |
| 16:12.38 | Megalon | because fuck you |
| 16:13.27 | nevcairiel | if only t-mobile contracts werent so fucking expensive |
| 16:13.53 | nevcairiel | i would pay like 3 times what I pay now |
| 16:14.18 | nevcairiel | well ok about 2 times because i get the magentaone offer then |
| 16:14.18 | Megalon | it's the same with a1 vs everyone else here :P |
| 16:14.19 | nevcairiel | but still |
| 16:17.11 | znf | I have this: http://www.rcs-rds.ro/telefonie-digi?t=telefonie-mobila&pachet=digi_mobil_optim_nelimitat |
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| 16:19.02 | Gnarfoz | I'm lucky that Netto (and the non-franchise Edeka) have their own payment app |
| 16:19.16 | Gnarfoz | it's not NFC, but it's a lot nicer than cash or even girocard |
| 16:19.33 | znf | basically, 5.8â¬/mo for unlimited calls (even some international destinations), 10GB data (3G), 30GB data (4G) |
| 16:19.41 | znf | The only thing I actually pay for are texts... |
| 16:19.46 | Gnarfoz | and who uses those? |
| 16:19.57 | Gnarfoz | you have different data caps for 3G and 4G? never seen that before |
| 16:20.13 | znf | looking at my bill? fucking everyone still uses a mix of sms/whatsapp/facebook messenger |
| 16:20.17 | Gnarfoz | (also, those caps are ridiculously high, pffff) |
| 16:20.26 | Gnarfoz | whatsapp and facebook are not sms |
| 16:20.33 | znf | "a mix of..." |
| 16:20.40 | Megalon | the problem with that contract is that you have to live in .ro for it |
| 16:20.46 | Gnarfoz | what's the point? you don't pay for the whatsapp/fb |
| 16:20.55 | znf | Gnarfoz, I mean their means of communication |
| 16:20.59 | Gnarfoz | (why even list that after saying "I pay for texts") |
| 16:20.59 | znf | they don't stick to one medium |
| 16:21.01 | znf | it's annoying me |
| 16:21.19 | Gnarfoz | just don't talk to people on your favourite IM, problem solved :D |
| 16:21.29 | znf | I send them a whatsapp/viber/facebook message, I don't get the message delivered |
| 16:21.36 | znf | because they've turned their data/wifi off |
| 16:21.39 | znf | for some retarded reasons |
| 16:22.32 | znf | and the different data caps are there to make people upgrade their handsets :P |
| 16:24.11 | znf | I can call all these destinations for free, too: http://www.rcs-rds.ro/operatori-europa |
| 16:24.21 | znf | what's Megalon's phone number so I can annoy him |
| 16:24.27 | Gnarfoz | summed up, that's 10 times the data cap I have in my 40⬠plan |
| 16:24.42 | Gnarfoz | fucking German mobile providers. :P |
| 16:25.12 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â https://www.androidpit.de/bezahlen-mit-dem-smartphone-das-sind-die-moeglichkeiten relatively up to date... I wonder if "boon." has much of a future with mpass (which was also run through Wirecard) being dead now |
| 16:25.17 | znf | I laughed when Telekom bought one of our telcos |
| 16:25.25 | znf | They introduced insanely high subscriptions |
| 16:25.28 | Megalon | i have 2gb for 12⬠:/ |
| 16:25.31 | znf | Everyone migrated from them in droves |
| 16:25.41 | Gnarfoz | I think I actually checked "boon." out before, but was turned off by something right away and uninstalled it |
| 16:26.14 | Gnarfoz | guess I have a reason to check it out again :D |
| 16:36.10 | Gnarfoz | ah, they only support automatic "recharging" from a CC |
| 16:36.53 | Gnarfoz | not a terrible issue, I guess, just need a "debit CC" that automatically feeds from my bank account, then :P |
| 16:37.12 | Gnarfoz | stacks more different products on top of each other... JENGA! |
| 16:38.06 | Gnarfoz | lol, their date-picker widget enforces that you're 18 |
| 16:38.13 | Gnarfoz | but it starts at today - 18 years |
| 16:38.57 | Gnarfoz | so I can't start by simply changing the day to 26, because someone born on 1998-08-26 wouldn't be 18 yet |
| 16:39.00 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 16:39.03 | Gnarfoz | have to change the year first. |
| 16:39.44 | Gnarfoz | on the other hand, they automagically computed my zip code just by me entering my street. |
| 16:41.22 | Gnarfoz | huh, they actually support adding my CC as a backing medium by taking a photo of it with the phone? neat |
| 16:48.27 | Gnarfoz | shit, I might drive to Aldi just to try this out :p |
| 16:56.35 | Gnarfoz | pfff, both Lidl and Aldi are trying to use the geolocation API on their non-https pages... tut tut |
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| 17:00.22 | Gnarfoz | https://www.kesh.de/ this seems mildly interesting, but since it doesn't seem to use neither paypass nor paywave as its backend, it's doomed to linger in "nobody accepts this" hell |
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| 17:39.58 | quiescens | moo |
| 17:40.26 | mitchnull | moo |
| 17:40.39 | mitchnull | quiescens: fix libjostle, kthxbye |
| 17:40.49 | quiescens | ): |
| 17:40.56 | quiescens | i don't know what a libjostle is |
| 17:41.03 | quiescens | gives mitchnull a cookie |
| 17:41.08 | mitchnull | meh |
| 17:41.56 | quiescens | ): |
| 17:48.26 | Myrroddin | LibJostle is what most broker displays use to move things like the minimap slightly so their bars don't overlap |
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| 17:50.24 | Myrroddin | mitchnull what's wrong with libjostle? |
| 17:52.18 | nevcairiel | its outdated |
| 17:53.02 | Myrroddin | you mean just the toc's interface line? or something more? because it seems to work fine for me in chocolatebar |
| 17:54.51 | Myrroddin | eh, whatever. sleep beckons |
| 17:56.19 | Myrroddin | oh, yeah. nevcairiel, in between migraines caused by a bad tooth, i'm working on smartres2. after learning about some more changes in 7.x, it has to be completely rewritten |
| 17:56.43 | Myrroddin | so you were correct. i can't just patch the silly bugger. too many changes |
| 17:56.59 | Gnarfoz | Success, I guess https://goo.gl/photos/kuuXdFkEjwBSbmYa9 |
| 17:58.03 | Stanzilla | nexus images time |
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| 18:02.20 | nevcairiel | did you really drive there to test now Gnarfoz |
| 18:02.22 | nevcairiel | nerd |
| 18:02.23 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 18:03.38 | Myrroddin | hey now, "nerd" is a compliment in these here parts, ya varmint! |
| 18:04.20 | Fisker | But it's not N images time Stanzilla |
| 18:06.15 | Repo | rarity: 03allara * r548 (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 18:06.15 | Repo | - [#137] Added the ability to disable items on a per-class basis |
| 18:06.15 | Repo | - [#168] Fandral's Seed Pouch now only appears/tracks for druids |
| 18:09.26 | Pneumatus | i don't think libjostle is pushing the buff bar down when you have a bar along the top of your screen since 7.0 |
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| 18:11.16 | Funkeh` | they removed the consolidated buff frame so if it's based on that then yeah |
| 18:14.08 | nevcairiel | it also doesnt account for the order hall command bar |
| 18:24.38 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: sure thing :D |
| 18:24.54 | Gnarfoz | for all the obsessing about payment and stuff, I forgot to buy new toast. |
| 18:25.07 | Gnarfoz | (I should have done that at Netto at lunch already, but meh) |
| 18:27.22 | Gnarfoz | speaking of the n-word, did anyone put in "nerd" as a vote for Android N? :D |
| 18:27.51 | nevcairiel | its nougat |
| 18:27.52 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 18:27.54 | nevcairiel | needs to be food |
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| 18:31.15 | EthanCentaurai | Good evening. o/ |
| 18:33.44 | Repo | New addon: TinyAddon - http://www.wowace.comhttps://www.curseforge.com/addons/mer/ |
| 18:36.57 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I present to you... http://candycorner.ph/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Nerds-Rainbow-Video-Box-6oz1.png |
| 18:37.01 | Gnarfoz | Repo: wow |
| 18:37.03 | Fisker | Why the old exploits Stanzilla ? |
| 18:37.04 | Gnarfoz | totally fucked up |
| 18:37.28 | Gnarfoz | Zeldo: I guess https redirects totally broke repo's "new addon" thing. :P |
| 18:39.49 | Funkeh` | it's ok nevcairiel, I didn't know about nerds either until I was recently introduced to them |
| 18:40.03 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: link ded |
| 18:40.56 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: http://www.assorti.lt/userfiles/uploader/wo/wonka-rainbow-nerds-draze-1417g.jpg |
| 18:41.58 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: the redirects have broken all sorts of things |
| 18:42.24 | Gnarfoz | so I guess I have real "pay with the NFC in my phone" payment now... only drawback: since it's a charge-up style thing, it needs to be recharged. which they support automation for (if balance goes under X fill back up to Y), but only from CCs... and they take a 1% (or 1⬠minimum) fee for that. it's free if you use wire transfer, but that of course needs to be managed proactively...) |
| 18:42.48 | Gnarfoz | still room to improve :P |
| 18:54.42 | Stanzilla | Fisker: no idea what you are talking about |
| 18:54.57 | Fisker | Of course not |
| 18:55.24 | znf | bah |
| 18:55.28 | Zeldo | yes Gnarfoz, Ive reported it to the devs. Not something I can fix. |
| 18:55.29 | znf | I wanted to upload a dickbutt to Gnarfoz's album |
| 18:55.32 | znf | doesn't work :( |
| 18:55.32 | Fisker | I also have no idea what you are talking about |
| 18:56.33 | Stanzilla | "[20:36:54] Fisker: Why the old exploits Stanzilla ?" |
| 18:57.22 | Stanzilla | I assume you are talking abotu some stuff that was fixed in the nexus patch for this month? |
| 18:57.27 | Fisker | I don't know who this [20:36:54] Fisker is |
| 18:57.47 | Fisker | I'm 20:37:03 Fisker |
| 18:58.34 | Fisker | It's possible that he was talking about literally the last thing you wrote about in this channel Stanzilla |
| 18:58.36 | Fisker | It's possible |
| 19:02.29 | Ressy | Gnarfoz: https redirects broke all the things. Including uploading packaged .zips to Curse. |
| 19:03.08 | Ressy | ARL's got multiple modules packaged, but flagged for upload. :\ |
| 19:12.07 | *** join/#wowace Kalroth (~Kalroth@77.68.199.254) |
| 19:17.26 | Repo | fixtradeskillsearch: 03Ketho 04v1.0.2 * 7c89d1d /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.0.2 |
| 19:17.26 | Repo | fixtradeskillsearch: 03Ketho 07master * v1.0.2 (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Fix Blizzard bug when shift-leftclicking header items |
| 19:25.43 | nevcairiel | all sorts of curse infra is broken lately, the mmoc blue tracker is also acting up since like a week |
| 19:27.04 | Zeldo | Whatâs going on nev? |
| 19:33.19 | nevcairiel | you tell me, why is everything broken :D |
| 19:34.19 | EthanCentaurai | Zeldo, the "looking for mods?" link on the front page takes me to www.curse.com/null :B |
| 19:35.28 | Zeldo | nevcairiel: What specificly is broken |
| 19:35.28 | Zeldo | âIts brokenâ helps no one |
| 19:35.42 | Zeldo | EthanCentaurai: Which front page? |
| 19:36.39 | EthanCentaurai | Zeldo, www.curse.com |
| 19:36.55 | nevcairiel | Zeldo: wowace loses your login info every 30 minutes or so, accessing any random (old) http link redirects to https and also loses your auth, randomly the website redirects you to the index page for no reason .. and not to get started about the https force redirect to break all my scripts that interact with the localization system |
| 19:37.10 | Repo | archud3: 03nyyr * r159 (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 19:37.10 | Repo | Moved WoW6 Runes.lua to RunesOld.lua as archived example for multi-segment rings |
| 19:37.53 | Zeldo | nevcairiel: Okay, I have reported those all already |
| 19:38.10 | Zeldo | What about your issue with mmoc blue? |
| 19:38.10 | Zeldo | EthanCentaurai: Ah, thatâs cool |
| 19:38.13 | Zeldo | It doesnât work at all for me, lol |
| 19:38.39 | nevcairiel | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/ the top ~5 posts are not posted within the last minutes, it keeps refreshing them constantly and puts them on the top |
| 19:39.09 | Zeldo | Okay, thanks |
| 19:39.10 | EthanCentaurai | Zeldo, yeah I just tried again and it bricked my browser :( |
| 19:41.16 | Zeldo | Bricked your browser? |
| 19:41.16 | Zeldo | I hope to hell you use bricked loosely |
| 19:45.20 | Zeldo | nevcairiel: That site is run by the other side of Curse |
| 19:45.26 | Zeldo | I let their dev team know and they are working on it |
| 19:46.22 | Zeldo | As for your scripts, I am sorry :( |
| 19:46.52 | nevcairiel | lua doesnt do https, get us an exception =p |
| 19:48.51 | nevcairiel | at least a warning would've been nice, instead of some cloak&dagger change over a weekend |
| 19:50.32 | Ressy | Testing before making changes is a good thing. ;) |
| 19:51.03 | Zeldo | nevcairiel: It was not a preplanned change |
| 19:51.06 | Zeldo | It was to fix an issue |
| 19:54.19 | nevcairiel | sounds like one of those corporate "issues", it was broken for the last 10 years, but now that we know about it, it needs to be fixed within the next 5 minutes |
| 19:55.29 | Stanzilla | [21:46:46] nevcairiel: lua doesnt do https, get us an exception =p < that is sad |
| 19:58.16 | Zeldo | nevcairiel: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8286677/https-request-in-lua |
| 19:58.49 | Zeldo | http://notebook.kulchenko.com/programming/https-ssl-calls-with-lua-and-luasec |
| 19:58.51 | nevcairiel | Lua just isnt designed to be on par with other scripting languages like python or perl, so it lacks any and all advanced functions |
| 19:59.18 | nevcairiel | and i found luasec, but no binaries of it, and building something that uses openssl is always kinda annoying |
| 20:00.29 | nevcairiel | probably less effort then rewriting the scripts in python though |
| 20:05.13 | Zeldo | Thatâs fair |
| 20:06.33 | nevcairiel | well i'll just get to it and build a fresh set of lua |
| 20:08.43 | silentium | "sudo luarocks install luasec" should build it for you, assuming you have something like libssl-dev (debian/ubuntu package name) installed on your system |
| 20:08.56 | nevcairiel | what makes you think i'm on lnux, this is a wow channel =p |
| 20:09.05 | silentium | wine is a thing ;) |
| 20:09.32 | silentium | but I have to admit I haven't tried out luarocks on windows so far |
| 20:13.34 | Repo | appearancetooltip: 03Kemayo 04v13 * ac8c1b6 /: [new tag] Tagging v13 |
| 20:13.57 | Repo | New addon: SkeletonKey - http://www.wowace.comhttps://www.curseforge.com/addons/skeletonkey/ |
| 20:14.48 | Ssateneth | that link is all sorts of screwed up |
| 20:15.03 | Kaelten | you still on windows nevcairiel ? |
| 20:15.26 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 20:15.28 | Kaelten | wtf is up with that URL Repo, go home you're drunk |
| 20:15.44 | nevcairiel | dont blame poor repo, your weekend shenanigans broke it |
| 20:16.15 | Kaelten | yeah, sorry it broke shit, but we didn't have much of a choice in the matter |
| 20:16.27 | Kaelten | what's the script nevcairiel ? |
| 20:16.47 | *** join/#wowace Repo (~repo@69.85.223.171) |
| 20:16.49 | nevcairiel | extract strings from addon and import into locale system |
| 20:17.02 | Kaelten | ah |
| 20:17.15 | Kaelten | nice |
| 20:17.26 | nevcairiel | its an old script, originally from years ago |
| 20:18.15 | Kaelten | doesn't seem like it'd be hard to recreate in ruby/python |
| 20:18.23 | Stanzilla | wtf who summoned Kaelten |
| 20:18.45 | Kaelten | Ressy are you saying the packager is broke? |
| 20:20.19 | znf | Gnarfoz, nginx help |
| 20:21.19 | Gnarfoz | nginx --help? |
| 20:21.30 | znf | how do I remove some parameters before a proxy_pass? |
| 20:21.42 | Gnarfoz | by parameters you mean headers? |
| 20:21.50 | znf | no, query parameters |
| 20:21.54 | znf | ?arg=1 |
| 20:22.04 | znf | ie: turn this: |
| 20:22.05 | Gnarfoz | you'll have to rewrite the URL, I guess |
| 20:22.09 | znf | /raw_data?pokemon=true&pokestops=true&gyms=false&scanned=false&swLat=48.3651441436206&swLng=-89.3056654818115&neLat=48.38666626015954&neLng=-89.24386738610838&_=1470023015534" |
| 20:22.10 | znf | in this: |
| 20:22.15 | znf | /raw_data?pokemon=true&pokestops=true&gyms=false&scanned=false" |
| 20:24.43 | Gnarfoz | well, just do rewrite ^/(raw_data?pokemon=true&pokestops=true&gyms=false&scanned=false)(.*) /$1; or so |
| 20:25.31 | Gnarfoz | oh and... break |
| 20:25.44 | Gnarfoz | so rewrite regex replacement break; |
| 20:26.01 | Gnarfoz | or it will use the rewritten URL and put it through "which location should this be handled with?" again |
| 20:26.27 | silentium | znf: or launch another runserver.py instance on the same database with --only-server so it ignores location requests for the server ;) |
| 20:26.42 | znf | silentium, yes, doing that |
| 20:26.44 | Gnarfoz | (yeah, I didn't even want to ask what you were trying to achieve there) |
| 20:26.45 | znf | it is separate... |
| 20:27.03 | znf | some dude asked me to look at why he's getting errors |
| 20:27.13 | znf | ofc he's going to get hammered when there's 100+ people on that little website :-| |
| 20:27.50 | znf | I would honestly just rewrite this in PHP, I bet it's a billion times faster >_< |
| 20:28.01 | silentium | sounds like lots of locking fun with the default sqlite db :D |
| 20:28.10 | Repo | archud3: 03nyyr * r160 (11 files in 3 directories): (1 line trimmed from commit message) |
| 20:28.11 | Repo | * Updated ComboPoints (thanks to jasonolive) |
| 20:28.11 | Repo | * Updated rings ComboPoints, SoulShards, Runes (thanks to jasonolive) |
| 20:28.11 | Repo | * Added ring ArcaneCharges (thanks to jasonolive) |
| 20:28.11 | Repo | * Cleanup in RingTemplate |
| 20:28.14 | znf | it's mysql |
| 20:28.24 | znf | the db is not sweating |
| 20:28.26 | znf | the webserver is :-/ |
| 20:29.25 | Gnarfoz | I thought express was rather good? |
| 20:29.30 | Gnarfoz | or is that not what that is |
| 20:29.45 | Kaelten | nevcairiel if you share the script I can see if I Can help port it |
| 20:29.48 | znf | express? |
| 20:30.06 | Gnarfoz | isn't that what Python's built-in webserver is called? |
| 20:30.10 | Gnarfoz | or was that tornado |
| 20:30.11 | Gnarfoz | I forget.. |
| 20:30.16 | Gnarfoz | express might be PHP |
| 20:30.20 | znf | this uses Flask |
| 20:31.10 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: i'm trying to teach my lua https now |
| 20:31.15 | Kaelten | twisted had one iirc |
| 20:31.23 | Kaelten | k, if you want help porting it I know python and ruby pretty well now |
| 20:31.40 | Repo | archud3: 03nyyr 04v4.1.0 beta * r161 : Tagging as v4.1.0 beta |
| 20:31.41 | Gnarfoz | znf: I have no idea if that means that it can't still use what I'm thinking of :D |
| 20:31.42 | Kaelten | znf: Flask is a micro framework built around werkzeug and a few other tools to make websites easier to make |
| 20:32.00 | znf | yes, that's the one |
| 20:32.00 | Kaelten | it uses wsgi as the hosting but you should still proxy to it using something like nginx |
| 20:32.02 | znf | werkzeug |
| 20:32.13 | znf | Kaelten, I'm doing that now |
| 20:32.22 | Kaelten | cool |
| 20:32.45 | Kaelten | legacy curseforge is built ontop of werkzeug <_< |
| 20:32.47 | Kaelten | flask didn't exist yet when we did that port |
| 20:33.08 | znf | silentium, I see why this is shit |
| 20:33.14 | znf | they're appending pokemon data in the json |
| 20:35.39 | znf | ie: http://i.imgur.com/DGGpnti.png |
| 20:35.55 | znf | left is what they're outputing, right is database data |
| 20:36.25 | Gnarfoz | never mind what I said, Express is Node, Tornado is Python and PHP's apparently doesn't have a fancy name (for once, PHP wins) |
| 20:37.42 | Gnarfoz | znf: so they have a slow json thingy? |
| 20:37.50 | znf | yeah, they're appending extra info |
| 20:37.56 | znf | which I find it retarded |
| 20:38.21 | znf | I mean, that data doesn't change between encounter_id's |
| 20:38.23 | silentium | znf: uhm, they just add stuff that would be redundant in the database because it's based on to pokemon ID? what does that have to do with your stripping of URLs? |
| 20:38.25 | Gnarfoz | that's your opinion, but I'm sure it could be done faster, if that's what's slow :P |
| 20:38.35 | Gnarfoz | that's also a valid question. :P |
| 20:38.36 | silentium | s/to/the/ |
| 20:39.21 | znf | silentium, well, /raw_data now takes 30 seconds to generate |
| 20:39.42 | silentium | ouch |
| 20:42.09 | Gnarfoz | I hope that's not on the master branch, znf? |
| 20:42.27 | znf | no, it's on develop |
| 20:42.32 | Gnarfoz | k |
| 20:42.46 | Gnarfoz | why are wowhead's pages such shit, performance wise? ugh. |
| 20:43.38 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: because http://i.imgur.com/YEn70z0.png |
| 20:44.36 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: Ã |
| 20:45.14 | Gnarfoz | that really says it all :P but yeah, ZAM must be bleeding money or they wouldn't have gotten rid of nearly all their staff |
| 20:45.29 | znf | curse should buy wowhead |
| 20:45.31 | znf | wait, don't buy wowhead |
| 20:45.32 | Gnarfoz | (and sold MMOUI back to Karen and Dolby) |
| 20:45.45 | Stanzilla | I cant imagine how wowhead would not make tons of money |
| 20:46.08 | Gnarfoz | no idea, it's miles and miles ahead of anyone else (sorry wowdb) |
| 20:46.25 | znf | yup |
| 20:46.34 | znf | the community comments alone are worth it |
| 20:46.48 | znf | Stanzilla, probably grabbing money from there and pushing it somewhere else? =) |
| 20:46.50 | Stanzilla | I assume they are paying for all their other sites with the money wowhead makes |
| 20:46.53 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:46.54 | znf | ^ |
| 20:47.17 | diesal | are the spell formulas skill tooltips use to calculate damage publicy accesible? |
| 20:47.57 | Zeldo | That was legit a response they gave you? |
| 20:48.05 | Zeldo | I forwarded it to a dev but doubt they are going to do anything |
| 20:48.07 | Zeldo | Jesus christ |
| 20:48.18 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 20:48.28 | Gnarfoz | that's what resignation looks like |
| 20:48.36 | Stanzilla | and it was a veeeery simple request |
| 20:49.43 | Gnarfoz | I mean... look at this shit http://i.imgur.com/SckKpuo.png I restarted Chrome earlier and haven't even BEEN on that tab since |
| 20:50.00 | Gnarfoz | it's not been in the foreground once, and it's eating over half a GiB of memory |
| 20:50.09 | Gnarfoz | and I use uBlock, so there's not even ads involved |
| 20:50.26 | Gnarfoz | how the hell. |
| 20:50.35 | Zeldo | Random signouts and http->https signouts are fixed |
| 20:50.43 | Gnarfoz | Zeldo: neat! |
| 20:52.03 | Gnarfoz | I really like that we have two guys now who we can basically blame for stuff around the clock ;-) |
| 20:52.35 | Kaelten | @all We've got some changes in that will hopefully fix the redirects and logouts. |
| 20:52.41 | Kaelten | please let us know if there's a new instance of bad redirects or logouts |
| 20:53.15 | Kaelten | oh Z just said that, lol |
| 20:53.17 | Kaelten | my bad |
| 20:53.19 | Kaelten | goes back to his hole |
| 20:53.27 | Stanzilla | my twitter PMs to Kaelten always get redirected to /dev/null |
| 20:53.30 | Stanzilla | is that a problem? |
| 20:53.54 | Kaelten | depends on who you ask |
| 20:54.46 | Repo | compact-runes: 03talryn1 07master * 7.0.8-12-g3242fd4 (5 files in 1 directory): [+4 commits] |
| 20:54.46 | Repo | 3242fd4: Swing timer talent update, profile switch. * Force Swing Timer to update after a talent switch. * Update db after profile switch. * Remove old, commented code. |
| 20:54.46 | Repo | 1249f0a: SR bar updates, bottom bar value fix. * Add option to control primary value on SR bar. * Fix bottom bar values being on top of the bar. * Remove old, commented code. |
| 20:54.46 | Repo | 6c06207: Update Bar for per bar textures. |
| 20:54.46 | Repo | cb9dd0d: Hide Bar border and background if configured. |
| 20:55.12 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 20:55.37 | Zeldo | Random homescreen redirects may be fixed |
| 20:55.50 | Zeldo | Please let me know if you see any |
| 20:55.52 | nevcairiel | hm my lua binary crashes :( |
| 20:55.57 | Zeldo | :( |
| 20:56.02 | Gnarfoz | are you a crash test dummy? |
| 20:56.11 | nevcairiel | i dont think so? |
| 20:56.30 | Gnarfoz | you might be without knowing |
| 20:57.01 | znf | silentium, http://i.imgur.com/QyB9igj.png |
| 20:58.00 | Kaelten | woops broke the forums, fixing |
| 20:58.44 | Ressy | ack |
| 20:59.35 | Zeldo | znf: Is the pokemap still functional with this latest update? |
| 20:59.40 | Zeldo | I havenât looked in a few weeks |
| 20:59.42 | znf | yes |
| 20:59.50 | znf | but now you have to run a billion accounts |
| 21:00.00 | Zeldo | lol |
| 21:00.07 | znf | I run -st 40 with 44 accounts (44 threads) |
| 21:00.16 | Zeldo | jesus, you made 44 accounts? |
| 21:00.32 | znf | I have a google apps domain |
| 21:00.35 | znf | for personal use |
| 21:00.38 | znf | with a 50 account limit :P |
| 21:00.45 | znf | I just uploaded a csv :D |
| 21:01.35 | Zeldo | Ah heh |
| 21:01.43 | Zeldo | I have a google apps domain as well but I dont have accounts on it |
| 21:01.47 | Zeldo | Just use it as a catchall |
| 21:02.06 | znf | I just made worker1@... and then Password1 etc. |
| 21:02.07 | znf | :P |
| 21:02.50 | Zeldo | Thatâs fair :P |
| 21:03.01 | Zeldo | Why do you need a ton of accounts now? |
| 21:03.07 | Zeldo | It canât walk 1 account around? |
| 21:03.13 | Kaelten | had to roll back the ssl redirect fix so we can fix the forums |
| 21:04.21 | znf | Zeldo, API calls limit |
| 21:04.21 | Kaelten | will push it back out when we get the ssl setup fixed there |
| 21:04.32 | znf | not sure which is the limit now |
| 21:04.43 | Zeldo | Ah |
| 21:04.58 | Gnarfoz | omg, really... an update to picoFriends? |
| 21:05.11 | Gnarfoz | I can close 4 browser tabs and 2 np++ tabs right there! |
| 21:05.18 | Gnarfoz | fuck durcyn for disappearing |
| 21:05.21 | Gnarfoz | tekkub ftw |
| 21:05.22 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:06.24 | Gnarfoz | and an official fix for GnomishVendorShrinker, too (although my manual fix worked too) |
| 21:10.09 | znf | I fail at this shit badly |
| 21:11.09 | znf | real 0m47.550s |
| 21:11.09 | znf | lol |
| 21:11.13 | znf | 47 seconds to generate the data |
| 21:11.39 | Zeldo | jesus |
| 21:12.57 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.02 | znf | well, no I've got no idea wtf this means |
| 21:15.06 | znf | I've really no idea how python works |
| 21:15.31 | Zeldo | lol |
| 21:15.35 | znf | Does this load the json file from disk every time? http://i.imgur.com/elFZkIM.png |
| 21:16.07 | Zeldo | It loads it if it doesnât have the data already |
| 21:16.33 | znf | So on multiple calls, it will load it just once, right? |
| 21:16.45 | Kemayo | znf: lambda is a little out of place in the rest of python syntax anyway. |
| 21:17.26 | Kemayo | `lambda x: {"foo": x}` would be `function(x) return {foo=x} end` in lua. |
| 21:19.00 | Zeldo | yes znf |
| 21:19.21 | znf | I'm conflicted between trying to fix this (if it's even possible to do it), or just rewriting it in php as I'm tons more familiar with it |
| 21:19.47 | Zeldo | You want to rewrite the mapping software? |
| 21:19.52 | znf | no, just the data feeder |
| 21:20.00 | znf | ie: /raw_data |
| 21:20.35 | Gnarfoz | why don't you just run master instead? |
| 21:20.40 | Gnarfoz | that seems to work fine for me... |
| 21:20.50 | znf | master is even slower :D |
| 21:20.56 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 21:21.01 | znf | try throwing 100 people at it |
| 21:21.05 | Gnarfoz | why would I |
| 21:21.07 | znf | also, it depends on your data size |
| 21:21.09 | Gnarfoz | why would YOU, for that matter |
| 21:21.15 | Gnarfoz | are you trying to be pokevision 2.0? |
| 21:21.23 | Gnarfoz | because that's what got that killed: popularity |
| 21:21.43 | Repo | archud3: 03nyyr * r162 (2 files in 1 directory): Added support for language zhCN (thanks to yuningning520) |
| 21:21.49 | znf | MariaDB [pokemap]> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM pokemon; |
| 21:21.52 | znf | | 657404 | |
| 21:21.53 | znf | Gnarfoz, no |
| 21:22.06 | Gnarfoz | that seems a lot |
| 21:22.17 | Gnarfoz | or well, not really many *rows* per se, just many pokemon. |
| 21:22.23 | Repo | archud3: 03nyyr 04v4.2.0 beta * r163 : Tagging as v4.2.0 beta |
| 21:22.49 | Zeldo | znf seems to want to map everything |
| 21:22.49 | Zeldo | For data collation purposes |
| 21:22.55 | Gnarfoz | mh, apparently my "friend" Tschuki from battle.net is now on Curse! but I have no idea who that is. |
| 21:23.41 | znf | this database structure makes no sense: http://i.imgur.com/JOIpyEw.png |
| 21:24.00 | znf | yes, let's put a fucking huge primary key! |
| 21:24.14 | Gnarfoz | that should really not make a difference |
| 21:24.22 | znf | doesn't make a big one, but meh |
| 21:24.29 | Gnarfoz | also, is it really the primary key? |
| 21:24.31 | znf | yes |
| 21:24.36 | Gnarfoz | or is it just a field called something_id |
| 21:24.39 | Gnarfoz | k |
| 21:24.41 | znf | | scanned_id | varchar(50) | NO | PRI | NULL | | |
| 21:27.45 | Gnarfoz | Zeldo: are you a dj? |
| 21:28.30 | Zeldo | Yes |
| 21:28.51 | Gnarfoz | consider yourself yo'd |
| 21:29.01 | Zeldo | In all seriousness, what? |
| 21:29.09 | Zeldo | Where did that question come from |
| 21:29.25 | Gnarfoz | searching for "zeldo" in the curse app and finding "DJ_Zeldo" |
| 21:29.29 | Zeldo | and no, I do not DJ, unless you are talking about a different kind of DJ |
| 21:29.29 | Zeldo | Then maybe |
| 21:29.45 | Kaelten | I hope he spins some mad beats |
| 21:30.10 | Gnarfoz | but maybe you go by an entirely different name there, so now some random person has a friend request with "yo" as its message. :P |
| 21:30.48 | nevcairiel | man luasec is terrible, why cant people write working build systems |
| 21:32.46 | Zeldo | hahaha Gnar |
| 21:32.52 | Zeldo | My full name is ZeldoKavira |
| 21:32.56 | Zeldo | which is what I use on the app |
| 21:33.04 | znf | this cachign shit is kicking my ass |
| 21:33.32 | Zeldo | znf: Do you want this to load that file everytime? |
| 21:33.37 | Gnarfoz | Zeldo: weird, it finds lots of other variations, but not that one... |
| 21:33.43 | znf | Zeldo, no |
| 21:34.07 | Zeldo | Well then |
| 21:34.47 | znf | I gave up on that for the moment |
| 21:35.30 | znf | I tried doing: |
| 21:35.31 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.31 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.34 | Gnarfoz | anyway, time to have this thing mangle all my addons |
| 21:35.36 | znf | but that is failing badly :D |
| 21:36.01 | Gnarfoz | znf: urrrrgh. :P |
| 21:36.54 | Gnarfoz | first off, for ^ to work, you need location ~ or location ~* |
| 21:37.01 | znf | meh |
| 21:37.12 | znf | Aug 01 17:37:00 ubuntu-2gb-tor1-01.localdomain nginx[23476]: nginx: [emerg] "proxy_pass" cannot have URI part in location given by regular expression, or inside named location, or inside "if" statement, or inside "limit_except" block in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:80 |
| 21:37.16 | Gnarfoz | and even then, you still want to rewrite the request url |
| 21:37.25 | Gnarfoz | and yes, that's not how proxy_pass works :p |
| 21:37.46 | Stanzilla | http://www.twitter.com/AndroidPolice/status/760227913308393472 |
| 21:38.48 | Gnarfoz | location ~ ^/raw_data { rewrite .* /raw_data?pokemon=true&pokestops=true&gyms=false&scanned=false break; proxy_pass http://localhost:90; } |
| 21:38.51 | Gnarfoz | might even work |
| 21:39.14 | znf | I broke it :D |
| 21:39.18 | Gnarfoz | as you like to do |
| 21:39.34 | Ressy | Is this to get the stuff like pokevision working? |
| 21:39.45 | Kaelten | we've got the ssl fixes back out |
| 21:40.05 | Kaelten | so let us know if the random redirect/logouts happen again |
| 21:40.18 | Zeldo | Kaelten: has talked here more in the last hour then the last year |
| 21:40.20 | Zeldo | Kappa |
| 21:40.33 | Gnarfoz | he's using up his allowance for 2017 already |
| 21:40.34 | znf | now I get 404 |
| 21:40.35 | znf | lol |
| 21:40.45 | Kaelten | ~lart Zeldo |
| 21:40.45 | purl | blames Zeldo for all the evil in the world |
| 21:41.01 | znf | why do I get 404, Gnarfoz?! |
| 21:41.13 | Gnarfoz | apparently it wants to tell you something... :p |
| 21:41.15 | Zeldo | because it wasnât found prolly |
| 21:41.15 | Kaelten | because you cant find it znf |
| 21:42.11 | Gnarfoz | (error.log usually says why a 404 happened) |
| 21:43.10 | Gnarfoz | Zeldo: digging the "for the alliance!" toggle |
| 21:43.22 | Zeldo | Thatâs not in yet brah |
| 21:43.27 | Zeldo | It comes with the alpha |
| 21:43.32 | Gnarfoz | cough |
| 21:45.18 | Gnarfoz | if you say so! :P |
| 21:45.37 | znf | bah, caching ain't working, Gnarfoz! |
| 21:45.38 | znf | do something! |
| 21:45.44 | Gnarfoz | caching of what? |
| 21:45.53 | znf | I'm also trying to cache it! |
| 21:46.08 | Gnarfoz | cache what, exactly |
| 21:46.09 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/wDkHq0u.png |
| 21:46.14 | znf | that! |
| 21:46.43 | Gnarfoz | I've not done much with proxy_cache |
| 21:46.57 | znf | that's why I wanted to rewrite the URL |
| 21:47.09 | Gnarfoz | to achieve... what? |
| 21:47.23 | znf | the map requests different parameters, based on your viewport location |
| 21:47.38 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 21:47.41 | znf | I want to serve everyone the full data (and cache it) |
| 21:47.48 | Gnarfoz | (this is not about moving the tracker's "scope", right?) |
| 21:47.49 | znf | that's why I'm stripping arguments |
| 21:48.00 | Gnarfoz | tracker=scanner |
| 21:48.00 | znf | no, not about the tracker |
| 21:48.03 | Gnarfoz | k |
| 21:48.18 | Gnarfoz | doesn't proxy_cache have options to ignore args? |
| 21:48.30 | znf | not sure |
| 21:48.37 | Gnarfoz | http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_proxy_module.html#proxy_cache_key |
| 21:48.39 | Gnarfoz | pretty sure it does. |
| 21:48.50 | Gnarfoz | take out the args |
| 21:49.08 | Gnarfoz | (and remove the rewrite, I guess) |
| 21:50.15 | nevcairiel | there finally got a working lua with https, eventually gave up and did indeed use luarocks because thats the only build system some of these shitty things have |
| 21:50.48 | Gnarfoz | you could conceivably even do proxy_cache_key $scheme$proxy_host$uri$is_args$arg_pokemon$arg_pokestops$arg_gyms$arg_scanned |
| 21:51.05 | Gnarfoz | to make sure it keeps different caches for all combinations of those args |
| 21:51.32 | Stanzilla | oh oh http://www.twitter.com/taviso/status/760231429389156352 |
| 21:51.39 | znf | I'm trying proxy_cache_key "$host$request_uri" |
| 21:51.43 | Gnarfoz | not quite sure right now how to make it stop asking the backend for data, though |
| 21:51.45 | Stanzilla | dis gon be gud |
| 21:51.48 | Repo | bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 4.7.2-1-g46f93da localcheck.lua: [+1 commit] Update localization script to use https to access WoWAce |
| 21:52.04 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: wasn't it lastpass's turn last week or so? |
| 21:52.11 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 21:52.14 | Gnarfoz | k |
| 21:52.39 | znf | mmmyeah, somehow I'm getting X-Cache-Status as Expired, always :D |
| 21:52.42 | znf | the fuck is going on |
| 21:53.27 | Gnarfoz | from nginx to your client? |
| 21:53.30 | znf | yes |
| 21:53.41 | Gnarfoz | maybe the backend said right away that it's expired |
| 21:54.00 | znf | the backend doesn't say anything about cache? |
| 21:54.13 | Gnarfoz | sure? |
| 21:54.21 | znf | yeah |
| 21:54.31 | Gnarfoz | set-cookie, x-accel-*, expires, cache-control? |
| 21:54.37 | Gnarfoz | none of them from backend to nginx? |
| 21:54.42 | znf | double checking now |
| 21:54.47 | Gnarfoz | or even "Vary: *" |
| 21:55.11 | znf | HTTP/1.0 200 OK |
| 21:55.12 | znf | Content-Type: application/json |
| 21:55.12 | znf | Content-Length: 355772 |
| 21:55.12 | znf | Server: Werkzeug/0.11.10 Python/2.7.12 |
| 21:55.12 | znf | Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 21:55:05 GMT |
| 21:55.14 | Gnarfoz | see here about what gets cached and what doesn't http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_proxy_module.html#proxy_cache_valid |
| 21:55.14 | znf | nope |
| 21:56.09 | *** part/#wowace pompy (~Mike@c-50-182-137-173.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 21:57.12 | znf | oh |
| 21:57.14 | znf | getting hits |
| 21:57.42 | znf | $host apparently means client's IP |
| 21:57.56 | Gnarfoz | no, $host is the content of the HTTP host header |
| 21:58.33 | znf | I changed it to proxy_cache_key "$scheme$proxy_host$uri"; |
| 21:58.55 | Gnarfoz | that... also kind of works. |
| 21:58.57 | Gnarfoz | http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_core_module.html#variables |
| 21:59.17 | znf | uh, now I'm getting empty list |
| 21:59.18 | znf | .. |
| 21:59.20 | znf | the fuck |
| 22:00.19 | Gnarfoz | maybe start over here? https://www.nginx.com/blog/nginx-caching-guide/ :D |
| 22:03.14 | znf | lol |
| 22:03.18 | znf | load avg. dropped to 0.10 |
| 22:03.19 | znf | from 5 |
| 22:03.28 | Gnarfoz | surprise? |
| 22:03.28 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 22:05.39 | znf | Stanzilla, that's pretty |
| 22:05.43 | znf | I like sliding up for apps |
| 22:06.26 | Gnarfoz | gah, Curse does that thing where when I maximize it, it overhangs 1px or 2px onto my other screen |
| 22:07.02 | Stanzilla | why did you tell me that |
| 22:07.07 | Stanzilla | now I will notice |
| 22:07.08 | nevcairiel | that app could very well exist without a maximize button and i wouldnt notice =p |
| 22:07.23 | Stanzilla | well i actually dnot use it full screen |
| 22:07.31 | Gnarfoz | well you don't really have much use for an addon updater, nevcairiel, do you? |
| 22:07.44 | nevcairiel | even if i did, why would i maximize it |
| 22:08.07 | nevcairiel | i installed the preview client though for testing |
| 22:08.08 | Gnarfoz | because hueg list? :D |
| 22:08.12 | Gnarfoz | yeah same |
| 22:08.22 | Gnarfoz | hence confusing Z :P |
| 22:08.37 | nevcairiel | and i do have a variety of addons that are not in repos (or in hg repos, because hg sucks), and somehow it keeps growing |
| 22:09.02 | znf | why does it even exist?! |
| 22:09.04 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.17 | Gnarfoz | why does what exist? |
| 22:09.34 | nevcairiel | mine shows a 1 on the sidebar now but no actually available updates |
| 22:09.39 | *** join/#wowace maunot (~pankker@mobile-access-bcee3e-74.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 22:09.42 | nevcairiel | it probably got confused because i ignored a few |
| 22:09.42 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's one of your working copies |
| 22:09.45 | Gnarfoz | or that |
| 22:09.47 | Stanzilla | ignored addons count, nevcairiel |
| 22:09.56 | Gnarfoz | that goes right in the feedback bin |
| 22:09.59 | nevcairiel | maybe they shouldnt |
| 22:10.02 | Stanzilla | no need |
| 22:10.10 | Gnarfoz | although Torhal cautioned us that the feedback button might not be hooked up to anything ;p |
| 22:10.13 | Stanzilla | already done |
| 22:10.15 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 22:10.21 | Stanzilla | they got that already though |
| 22:10.36 | Stanzilla | same with ignored addons showing up at the top instead of the bottom |
| 22:10.50 | Stanzilla | and no "do you really want to" prompt when you double click ignored addons |
| 22:10.51 | nevcairiel | ignored are at the bottom for me |
| 22:10.55 | Stanzilla | and it just updates them |
| 22:11.04 | znf | Gnarfoz, what acme client do you use? |
| 22:11.06 | znf | certbot? |
| 22:11.12 | nevcairiel | but i would like for an option to entirely hide wc/ignore from the addon list |
| 22:11.20 | Gnarfoz | znf: ...I don't? :p |
| 22:11.22 | znf | :( |
| 22:11.33 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: how would you uningnore then? |
| 22:11.34 | Stanzilla | -n |
| 22:11.40 | nevcairiel | hence an option |
| 22:11.41 | znf | oh, wow |
| 22:11.49 | nevcairiel | can toggle it and unignore things |
| 22:11.53 | Gnarfoz | maybe I'll take a look at it when my StartSSL certs expire. But chances are also not terrible that I might just re-validate and stay there |
| 22:11.54 | znf | letsencrypt is not in ubuntu repos |
| 22:12.07 | nevcairiel | but wcs crowd the list since i have far more of them then things it actually updates =p |
| 22:18.02 | *** join/#wowace harl (harl@unaffiliated/harl) |
| 22:20.03 | Zeldo | Gaz screenshot and report a bug pls |
| 22:20.16 | Zeldo | For the overhang issue |
| 22:27.30 | Gnarfoz | Zeldo: does that "feedback" button actually work, then? or somewhere else? Torhal wasn't sure and said to PM or email him |
| 22:30.25 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how such overhangs work, when I take a screenshot with alt+printscreen, the windows are always 1920px wide |
| 22:30.37 | Gnarfoz | (this is by far not the only program with the issue) |
| 22:31.02 | znf | Gnarfoz, I think ShareX incluees the dropshadow |
| 22:31.13 | Gnarfoz | I don't use that |
| 22:31.30 | Gnarfoz | and... which dropshadow |
| 22:31.53 | znf | dunno what you use :D |
| 22:31.58 | Gnarfoz | I just said |
| 22:32.03 | Gnarfoz | printscreen. :P |
| 22:32.10 | znf | oh, you weird |
| 22:32.11 | znf | oh, you weirdo |
| 22:32.15 | Gnarfoz | (and there isn't a dropshadow) |
| 22:32.27 | Gnarfoz | yeah, using built-in features is totally weird :D |
| 22:32.55 | znf | yes |
| 22:32.57 | znf | you weirdo |
| 22:35.26 | znf | I find the color scheme on Ubuntu 16.04 SO weird when running byobu |
| 22:35.30 | znf | dirs are purple |
| 22:35.34 | znf | +x files are green |
| 22:35.37 | znf | +x files are orange |
| 22:36.23 | Gnarfoz | they're green AND orange? |
| 22:36.36 | Gnarfoz | +x files in green is pretty normal for me |
| 22:38.18 | znf | they're orange |
| 22:38.58 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/kVNqwyd.png |
| 22:39.34 | znf | symlinks are underlined |
| 22:40.16 | Gnarfoz | woah, that's trippy |
| 22:40.39 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's derived from your wallpaper. |
| 22:41.01 | znf | I'm on a server...? |
| 22:42.40 | Gnarfoz | you know nothing jon znf |
| 22:43.18 | Gnarfoz | :D our old SuSE servers and rhel/centos 5 boxes all had full desktop environments on them... yuck |
| 22:43.35 | Gnarfoz | (those were from before my time) |
| 22:43.57 | Gnarfoz | I turned this off on Friday: 6:56pm up 1893 days 8:24, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 |
| 22:45.38 | Zeldo | Gnarfoz: It does work yes |
| 22:45.42 | Zeldo | It goes into a list of feedbacks |
| 22:45.45 | Zeldo | Same as bug reports |
| 22:47.36 | Gnarfoz | so doesn't matter if I pick some (maybe appropriate) bug category or just dump it in that more general "feedback" box? |
| 22:54.59 | Zeldo | It does matter, they are different lists |
| 23:00.52 | Gnarfoz | I checked that it's also there on "live" (i.e. stable non-alpha) and filed it there under "other" |
| 23:01.42 | Zeldo | Alpha is going out tonight |
| 23:01.54 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz znf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfc42Pb5RA8 |
| 23:02.09 | Gnarfoz | Zeldo: awesome |
| 23:02.59 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: NOT awesome |
| 23:03.22 | Stanzilla | you will like it |
| 23:03.30 | Gnarfoz | I will NOT |
| 23:03.39 | Gnarfoz | also, kids shouldn't drive |
| 23:03.48 | Zeldo | wtf stan |
| 23:03.52 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 23:04.13 | Zeldo | I don't even... |
| 23:05.54 | Gnarfoz | you don't even... play pokemon go ev-very day? |
| 23:06.49 | Stanzilla | I PLAY POKEMON GO |
| 23:06.51 | Stanzilla | EVERRRRYYYDAY |
| 23:12.34 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Can you reproduce the LibBabble issue? |
| 23:13.40 | Repo | New addon: TokenSplainer - http://www.wowace.comhttps://www.curseforge.com/addons/tokensplainer/ |
| 23:15.22 | Gnarfoz | well, that's minimally better than earlier, it at least includes a working link |
| 23:15.49 | Torhal | Huh? That's exactly what it had been doing since Saturday :) |
| 23:28.23 | znf | I bot pokemon go every day |
| 23:28.42 | znf | nice one Repo |
| 23:28.47 | znf | can't even get a URL printed properly |
| 23:28.57 | znf | ^ Zeldo |
| 23:37.58 | Torhal | WAT https://www.wowace.com/addons/broker-currency/tickets/53-feature-request-artifact-power/ |
| 23:38.20 | Torhal | How is that even remotely in scope of a currency AddOn? |
| 23:39.07 | Zeldo | Yes znf ? |
| 23:39.25 | Torhal | Zeldo: He's pointing out the Repo URL issue. Again :) |
| 23:39.59 | Zeldo | znf: pls, I know you have talked while other people have reported that |
| 23:40.24 | Torhal | He just likes complaining Zeldo. You've been here long enough to know that, surely! |
| 23:40.25 | Torhal | >.> |
| 23:43.09 | znf | Just pass me the data |
| 23:43.19 | znf | I'll make a better bot |
| 23:44.54 | Torhal | The bot isn't the issue in this case; it's the data :D |
| 23:44.58 | Zeldo | How are you going to make a better bot, you are too busy with pokemon! |
| 23:45.16 | Torhal | And breaking stuff. Don't forget breaking stuff. |
| 23:48.33 | Ressy | I thought Kaelten said he reverted the SSL redirect. |
| 23:48.47 | Kaelten | I did |
| 23:48.48 | Kaelten | but it's back now |
| 23:49.06 | Torhal | Zeldo: Was Kaelten hacked? I see him talking on IRC. |
| 23:49.18 | Ressy | My head hurts. I'm just going to pig out on pizza. |
| 23:49.43 | Ressy | Torhal: I know right? |
| 23:50.14 | Kaelten | ~lart Torhal |
| 23:50.14 | purl | blasts Torhal to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 23:50.16 | Kaelten | ~lart Ressy |
| 23:50.16 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Ressy!" and lops off Ressy's head |
| 23:50.20 | Torhal | :/ |
| 23:50.25 | Kaelten | Torhal also Repo is generating funky urls |
| 23:50.45 | Torhal | Kaelten: That's due to the SSL changes. It's just passing what the legacy API sends. |
| 23:50.47 | Stanzilla | Semlar: oooh sheeeit http://www.twitter.com/nite_moogle/status/760261362253574144 |
| 23:50.54 | Kaelten | uhm what api? |
| 23:51.23 | Torhal | Kaelten: The one I added in 2012 to decouple it from the DB when I got rid of ckk's version. |
| 23:52.28 | Kaelten | so saying the api needs patched? |
| 23:52.36 | Torhal | Aye. |
| 23:53.00 | Torhal | Well, either the API or the backend that generates the bot messages that the API uses. |
| 23:53.27 | Kaelten | can you tell us the api/url? |
| 23:54.55 | Ressy | ~lart Kaelten |
| 23:54.55 | purl | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at Kaelten |
| 23:55.13 | Torhal | Kaelten: Look at CV. |
| 23:57.54 | Kaelten | ~lart Ressy |
| 23:57.54 | purl | squishes Ressy like a bug |
| 23:57.55 | Torhal | Xuerian: Did you get game detection working? |
| 23:58.46 | Torhal | ~emulate Kaelten |
| 23:58.46 | purl | My Sweedish is... um... whats less than rusty... oh ya non existent :( |
| 23:58.55 | Torhal | WAT |
| 23:59.11 | znf | Torhal: Why is it crashing all the time? |
| 23:59.15 | Kaelten | :) |
| 23:59.20 | Kaelten | ~emulate Torhal |
| 23:59.20 | purl | Ackis, it's ALL your fault! |
| 23:59.28 | Torhal | What the hell are you talking about now, znf? |
| 23:59.35 | Torhal | I bet it's your fault, whatever it is! |
| 23:59.36 | Torhal | >.> |
| 23:59.51 | znf | The bot! |
| 23:59.59 | znf | Repo is down like 5 days a week |
