| 00:00.02 | sylvanaar | I guess arc lights were made with carbon, so it must |
| 00:00.06 | nevcairiel | carbon nanotubes are the new shit for building processors, because its much smaller than silicon |
| 00:00.09 | nevcairiel | but also harder to make |
| 00:00.21 | nevcairiel | so it has to be conductive to some degree =p |
| 00:01.39 | znf | wonder if we'll see carbon CPUs in the next 2 years |
| 00:01.55 | Gnarfoz | hahaha |
| 00:02.14 | Gnarfoz | good one, probably right afther the magical battery with 500% capacity and 1000% more recharge cycles |
| 00:02.15 | sylvanaar | I just found this show based on books I read as a kid. The Shannara Chronicles, and it seems they renewed for another season. So far its pretty good. Kind of a teen drama though |
| 00:02.29 | nevcairiel | optimistic expectations are within the decade |
| 00:02.35 | znf | meh |
| 00:02.38 | nevcairiel | realistic, probably more like in the next one |
| 00:02.39 | znf | by then I will not care |
| 00:02.41 | znf | I'll be 40 |
| 00:02.49 | znf | I doubt I'll live past 35 |
| 00:03.08 | sylvanaar | I used to say the same thing |
| 00:03.16 | nevcairiel | IBM had a carbon nanotubes breakthrough last year that might help, we'll see |
| 00:03.24 | znf | I killed a spider-bro :-( |
| 00:03.34 | znf | WHY DID YOU HAVE TO WEB-DOWN IN FRONT OF MY SCREEN, WHY? |
| 00:03.36 | znf | You scared me, ffs |
| 00:04.18 | sylvanaar | My cats have purici, i have had to commit genocide in my house |
| 00:04.44 | znf | holy fucking fuck at the lightnings outside |
| 00:04.55 | sylvanaar | I wish it rained here |
| 00:04.56 | znf | also, fuck whoever has that ultra sensitive car alarm |
| 00:05.00 | znf | it's not raining... |
| 00:05.07 | znf | It's just lightning over and over |
| 00:05.13 | sylvanaar | Well I miss summer lightning storms |
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| 00:05.19 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: it's so teeny it almost hurts, MTV show :O |
| 00:05.30 | znf | like, look: https://goo.gl/photos/irsjwxiDcLtUAbdn6 |
| 00:05.39 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz: yes, but I don't mind. everyone is so good looking |
| 00:05.48 | Gnarfoz | also I heard from a friend who read the books that the story is hardly recognizable? I can't comment since I haven't read those books ^^ |
| 00:06.00 | sylvanaar | I read them when i was 10 |
| 00:06.06 | znf | Did I talk about THE EXPANSE?!?????!??!?!?!?!? |
| 00:06.14 | Gnarfoz | at some point, probably |
| 00:06.20 | nevcairiel | that looks like atmospheric lightning |
| 00:06.22 | sylvanaar | Yes. I tried to watch. But I didnt get into it |
| 00:06.27 | znf | IT IS AWESOME YOU SHOULD WATCH IT |
| 00:06.29 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: so your memory of that is as accurate as mmoc forum people's memory of vanilla wow, then? :D |
| 00:06.32 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: They changed the fuck out of the story. They deviated well beyond what GoT did. |
| 00:06.44 | nevcairiel | the expanse was cool |
| 00:06.46 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: that's what she was saying, heh |
| 00:06.49 | nevcairiel | a bit short though |
| 00:06.59 | znf | Pretty much the best show from SyFy in last 3 years |
| 00:06.59 | Gnarfoz | expanse only got to like 60% of the first book |
| 00:07.15 | Gnarfoz | so not only is every single episode a cliffhanger, also the entire season ends in mid-air :P |
| 00:07.37 | Torhal | I still need to watch The Expanse. I'm so backed up on shows right now. |
| 00:08.07 | sylvanaar | I downloaded the first season, did it get renewed |
| 00:08.18 | znf | yup |
| 00:08.47 | sylvanaar | I dont want another You Me And The Apocalypse disappointment |
| 00:09.57 | nevcairiel | a series that is about the world ending should probably end when the world did |
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| 00:10.25 | sylvanaar | Yeah, then they should have written a proper ending, not left a cliffhanger |
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| 00:10.50 | Torhal | Just blame "Reality TV" sylvanaar. |
| 00:11.31 | Gnarfoz | I have many shows to watch, many books to read, but I have to read just ONE MORE WIKIPEDIA PAGE |
| 00:12.14 | Torhal | locks Gnarfoz into a room where every site is blocked except for TV Tropes. |
| 00:13.01 | nevcairiel | i'm mostly caught up on shows now |
| 00:13.06 | nevcairiel | summer shows can start! |
| 00:13.08 | Gnarfoz | tvtropes is just as bad |
| 00:13.22 | nevcairiel | looking forward to the summer sci-fi shows from last year, they were not bad |
| 00:13.23 | sylvanaar | Isn't mr. robot a summer show |
| 00:13.27 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 00:13.33 | Torhal | Soon⢠|
| 00:13.37 | sylvanaar | Thats exciting |
| 00:13.57 | Torhal | July 13th, actually. |
| 00:13.59 | znf | What other summer sci-fi shows? |
| 00:14.07 | Torhal | Dark Skies, Killjoys. |
| 00:14.20 | Torhal | Er, dark Matter |
| 00:14.24 | Torhal | Need MOAR coffee. |
| 00:14.32 | sylvanaar | I didn't finish dark matter |
| 00:14.54 | sylvanaar | it started out pretty good, but I got lost in the middle |
| 00:14.59 | znf | meh, those are borring |
| 00:15.02 | znf | sylvanaar, same |
| 00:15.10 | znf | those are really what you'd call "summer" shows |
| 00:15.30 | nevcairiel | I liked dark matter and killjoys |
| 00:16.02 | sylvanaar | There are 4 more episodes of game of thrones, then what. that's it? gata? |
| 00:16.30 | Torhal | 12 Monkeys is airing now. |
| 00:16.32 | sylvanaar | Out of material? |
| 00:16.42 | znf | nevcairiel, I like them, too |
| 00:16.46 | sylvanaar | I haven't watched 12 monkeys |
| 00:16.49 | znf | but they don't feel "serious" :-S |
| 00:17.05 | nevcairiel | GoT is already beyond the published books right now |
| 00:17.05 | Torhal | Season 2 of Powers is at the end of this month, if you have a PlayStation account of torrent... |
| 00:17.16 | Torhal | Wayward Pines season 2 just started. |
| 00:17.20 | znf | wait |
| 00:17.24 | znf | season 2? |
| 00:17.25 | znf | wtf? |
| 00:17.27 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 00:17.32 | znf | but...?!? |
| 00:17.42 | Torhal | Episode 2 airs the 2nd. |
| 00:17.44 | znf | didn't they say that it will be a mini-series of 10 episodes?!??? |
| 00:17.47 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 00:17.52 | znf | ...?! |
| 00:17.55 | Torhal | They left the end open, though, and made it a series. |
| 00:18.02 | znf | :-| |
| 00:18.17 | Torhal | Orphan Black season 4 is currently airing. |
| 00:18.27 | nevcairiel | mini-series are often just an experiment with the option to keep it going if its well-accepted |
| 00:18.39 | nevcairiel | i stopped watching orphan black, that show just got sucky |
| 00:18.51 | sylvanaar | Season 1 was good |
| 00:18.53 | znf | I'm behind shitloads of series :-S |
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| 00:19.21 | znf | Haven't even seen Daredevil S02 |
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| 00:19.36 | znf | >tv Sense8 |
| 00:19.37 | Catal1na | Sense8 2015 (Running). Previous Episode: [1x12] I Can't Leave Her on 2015-06-05 (041 year). Next Episode: [2x1] Christmas Special on 2016-12-25 (037 months). http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/1367/sense8 |
| 00:19.47 | znf | ...seriously? Christmass? |
| 00:19.48 | znf | >part |
| 00:19.49 | Torhal | Westworld is supposed to be coming in October. |
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| 00:20.03 | znf | WTF CHRISTMASS?! |
| 00:22.29 | nevcairiel | its a netflix show, they may not have the proper info |
| 00:22.40 | znf | I hope so. |
| 00:22.44 | znf | I really liked sense8 |
| 00:23.01 | nevcairiel | i mostly liked the dj girl =p |
| 00:24.11 | znf | the one which vaped hash oil? |
| 00:24.19 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz do i dare watch the new topgear |
| 00:24.45 | znf | Nah |
| 00:24.50 | znf | some guys on my FB watched it |
| 00:24.52 | znf | they said it was horrible |
| 00:25.03 | znf | Also, how come you like car shows? |
| 00:25.11 | nevcairiel | i dont, i just liked topgear |
| 00:25.22 | nevcairiel | its more comedy than car show |
| 00:25.57 | nevcairiel | anyway the amazon replacement show should air this year sometime with the old topgear gang |
| 00:27.49 | znf | Oh. |
| 00:27.55 | znf | I didn't know Jamie Clayton is actually trans |
| 00:28.17 | nevcairiel | definitely looks the part though |
| 00:28.41 | znf | Yeah, but I thought it's just make up |
| 00:33.05 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.06 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.06 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.08 | znf | OH COME THE FUCK ON |
| 00:33.13 | znf | then I have to resilver with 2 new HDDs |
| 00:33.29 | znf | Why the fuck didn't my predecesor set up smart alarms for this fuckin' storage server |
| 00:37.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: so far I hear the verdict is mostly "avoid" |
| 00:38.26 | Gnarfoz | but then most people I know watched it for the guys - someone said they could have been presenting toasters and it would still have been funny just for them |
| 00:38.28 | znf | fuck my predecesors |
| 00:38.34 | znf | I just spilled the jager on me |
| 00:39.58 | Gnarfoz | sounds like ZFS really does make your life easier |
| 00:40.18 | znf | well, it *kind* of does |
| 00:40.23 | znf | I mean, the array is still active and in use |
| 00:40.31 | znf | but having 4 failing HDDs is no fun |
| 00:41.05 | znf | I'm actually wondering how the fuck does it still work |
| 00:41.18 | znf | seeing that raidz-2 provides redudancy for just 2 failed HDDs |
| 00:42.22 | Gnarfoz | more than one vdev? |
| 00:43.24 | znf | vdev?! |
| 00:43.42 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/n5zVNxX.png |
| 00:44.38 | Gnarfoz | uhm, yes? vdev? |
| 00:44.48 | Gnarfoz | drives make up vdevs, vdevs make up pools? |
| 00:45.07 | Gnarfoz | which is why zfs is so unflexible regarding expansion after the fact |
| 00:45.17 | znf | I don't think that freebsd works like that...? |
| 00:45.38 | znf | also, I don't understand why it's resilvering /dev/da1 and /dev/diskid/DISK-%20%20%20%20%20WD-WMAUR0423872 |
| 00:45.40 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure how freebsd would play into this, it's just how ZFS works? |
| 00:45.53 | znf | /dev/da1 is fucked |
| 00:45.59 | znf | and //dev/da2 is fucked, too |
| 00:46.01 | Gnarfoz | unless I misunderstood something about ZFS, which is possible since I've never used it for anything |
| 00:46.19 | znf | I'm not sure what a "vdev" is, to be honest |
| 00:46.26 | znf | I haven't used this much either |
| 00:46.28 | znf | I just found it set up alreadu |
| 00:46.31 | znf | I just found it set up already |
| 00:46.37 | znf | we're not using any "virtual device" |
| 00:46.47 | znf | We're just adding physical devices to the pool |
| 00:46.57 | znf | or, replacing them |
| 00:48.38 | znf | I mean, creating a pool is as simple as zpool create pool-name device1 device2 |
| 00:49.06 | Gnarfoz | that should be a raid0 |
| 00:49.29 | Gnarfoz | hmmm apparently that's only true when you don't use full physical device names |
| 00:49.43 | Gnarfoz | zfs is weird and I'm not really inclide to learn the difference at this time of night :D |
| 00:50.59 | znf | it is, indeed |
| 00:51.08 | znf | I don't even understand the other storage server we have |
| 00:51.59 | Gnarfoz | just set it on fire |
| 00:52.19 | znf | like, the fuck is this? http://i.imgur.com/Ubt3ESk.png |
| 00:52.55 | Torhal | We should have a channel for this: #ZnuffVersusTechnology |
| 00:53.17 | znf | I'd like to see you inherit a data-center without docs... |
| 00:53.43 | Gnarfoz | according to https://pthree.org/2012/12/05/zfs-administration-part-ii-raidz/ you have a single-vdev raidz2 pool with... 14? disks |
| 00:53.59 | Gnarfoz | yeah. THAT one looks more like I would have expected, znf |
| 00:54.13 | Gnarfoz | it has four 5-drive raidz1 vdevs |
| 00:54.27 | Gnarfoz | and a mirror-vdev for the logs |
| 00:55.03 | znf | in drunk-man terms |
| 00:55.06 | znf | how many drives can fail? |
| 00:55.16 | Gnarfoz | depends on which ones fail |
| 00:55.21 | Gnarfoz | one per vdev |
| 00:55.36 | znf | but how many vdev can fail? |
| 00:55.37 | znf | one? |
| 00:55.46 | Gnarfoz | all 4 can lose 1 drive, each |
| 00:55.59 | znf | what if I lose 4 drives in one vdev? |
| 00:56.05 | znf | like, what if I lose a whole vdev? |
| 00:56.10 | Gnarfoz | then you've lost 400% of that data |
| 00:56.14 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:56.21 | znf | the future is stupid |
| 00:56.26 | Gnarfoz | no idea, I don't know how it distributes data across vdevs |
| 00:56.30 | Gnarfoz | i.e. "in a pool" |
| 00:57.02 | Gnarfoz | from wikipedia: "Each vdev should have redundancy, otherwise if a vdev is lost, then the whole zpool is lost." |
| 00:57.07 | znf | thank fuck |
| 00:57.16 | znf | these are only 1.5TB drives |
| 00:57.27 | znf | Thought they were going to be 3TB drives |
| 00:57.47 | znf | if I ask my colleague in finances that I have to replace 3TB hdds, he will die of a heart attack |
| 00:58.13 | Gnarfoz | I do wonder how you're adding new drives to that raidz2 pool, though... from all I know, that shouldn't be possible, because you'd be expanding a vdev, which zfs doesn't do |
| 00:58.45 | Gnarfoz | (unless of course, you're slowly replacing smaller drives with bigger drives - you could possibly gain access to more capacity when you're done replacing ALL the drives) |
| 00:58.47 | znf | I wonder how it behaves consindering I replaced 1.5TB drives with 2TB ones |
| 00:59.04 | Gnarfoz | probably just 500 unused GB |
| 00:59.30 | Gnarfoz | (tbh, this section explains most of these things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Storage_pools) |
| 00:59.45 | znf | I'm drunk, I ain't going to read taht |
| 01:00.28 | quiescens | what did znf break this time? |
| 01:00.56 | znf | my pride |
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| 01:22.11 | znf | why the hell is that at this hour, all I get in arcade mode is Route66 |
| 01:42.25 | znf | let it gooooooo, let it goooooooooooooooo |
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| 06:55.48 | Stanzilla | the texture flickering in legion is killing me |
| 06:56.02 | Stanzilla | kind find the fault in pitbull :E |
| 06:56.21 | nevcairiel | i dont have any texture flickering |
| 06:56.37 | Stanzilla | yeah it's something in pb |
| 06:57.26 | Stanzilla | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/opdnphn6qh5n1l4/2016-05-29_04-23-02.webm?dl=0 |
| 07:01.57 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: are you familiar with the new setto/from alpha stuff? I'm still not sure I did everything right here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/y8ivpvabkb5i7q5/SetChange_Patch.diff?dl=0 |
| 07:02.19 | nevcairiel | whats with all the whitespace changes |
| 07:03.22 | Stanzilla | yeah ignore that |
| 07:05.32 | nevcairiel | this code is weird |
| 07:05.43 | Stanzilla | yes it is |
| 07:07.24 | nevcairiel | anyway in general you can replace SetChange(delta) by this: SetFromAlpha(current alpha of element), SetToAlpha(current + delta), the big difference is that you actually need to keep track of what the actual alpha of the element is at the time |
| 07:08.50 | nevcairiel | (which is always a good thing to know, as stuff gets confusing otherwise) |
| 07:10.42 | nevcairiel | the SetToAlpha in your patche seems wrong, multiplying with delta seems odd |
| 07:10.59 | Stanzilla | I did current * delta since that got me the same alpha values as on live |
| 07:12.27 | Stanzilla | but maybe I did someting else wrong |
| 07:23.01 | Stanzilla | yeah with adding it SetToAlphas 1.7/1.3 |
| 07:23.07 | Stanzilla | which does not sound right when 1.0 is max |
| 07:26.53 | Stanzilla | I could just do SetToAlpha(1 - normal_alpha + alpha_delta) but that still seems wrong :D |
| 07:37.38 | Fisker | I hey nevcairiel |
| 07:37.43 | Fisker | I don't recall |
| 07:38.32 | Kalroth | total recall |
| 07:39.16 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: idk, your patch seems all sorts of weird |
| 07:41.53 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: i didnt test nothing, but i re-did the block http://pastebin.com/UTBY9Ah6 |
| 07:42.51 | Fisker | However nevcairiel any news on your 100? |
| 07:42.52 | Fisker | 1080* |
| 07:43.01 | nevcairiel | it changed to june 10 |
| 07:43.41 | Fisker | aw |
| 07:43.47 | Fisker | Mine changed from june 3rd to "unknown" |
| 07:43.55 | Fisker | But I'm not sure if that's because their batch sold out or not |
| 07:44.03 | Kalroth | where did you order from, Fisker |
| 07:44.08 | Kalroth | pooshop? |
| 07:44.20 | Phixion | hey Fisker |
| 07:44.31 | Kalroth | nevcairiel, asus or msi? |
| 07:44.49 | nevcairiel | both are probably fine, asus has more factory OC |
| 07:45.00 | Kalroth | no i meant what did you order? |
| 07:45.04 | nevcairiel | asus |
| 07:45.24 | Fisker | nope Kalroth |
| 07:45.26 | Fisker | hey Phixion |
| 07:45.26 | Fisker | i |
| 07:45.41 | Kalroth | Fisker, then where damnit |
| 07:45.53 | Fisker | sharkgaming |
| 07:45.57 | Kalroth | wtf |
| 07:46.01 | nevcairiel | MSI has the lightning model with 8+8+6 power connector for heating up your apartment in the winter |
| 07:46.02 | Fisker | umadbro? |
| 07:46.14 | Fisker | wat nevcairiel |
| 07:46.15 | Kalroth | ya |
| 07:46.16 | Fisker | wat |
| 07:46.19 | Fisker | why mad Kalroth ? |
| 07:46.20 | Kalroth | i'm raving |
| 07:46.43 | Kalroth | i dunno |
| 07:47.04 | nevcairiel | 600W gpu no good? |
| 07:47.43 | Kalroth | i got a 1200W PSU, so not a problem! |
| 07:53.06 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: that seems better, thanks |
| 07:54.22 | Stanzilla | I guess I broke it by moving the GetNormalAlpha call outside of the if self.fade and the reusing the variable at the end |
| 07:54.53 | nevcairiel | dont see how that would break anything, i just went for minimal changes |
| 07:55.56 | Stanzilla | then you based it on the original code and not my changes |
| 07:55.58 | Stanzilla | I see |
| 07:56.23 | nevcairiel | indeeed |
| 08:32.42 | Semlar | stop breaking things stanzilla |
| 08:32.47 | Stanzilla | :E |
| 08:33.16 | Stanzilla | it still flickers a bit but that must come from something else then |
| 08:44.57 | Gnarfoz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/return-of-incandescent-light-bulbs-as-mit-makes-them-more-effici/ < so much FUD |
| 08:46.54 | Trela | It has always been possible to make them more efficient, but I want to see real world factories producing them first. |
| 08:47.46 | Gnarfoz | "time delay"? LEDs don't have it, "clinical white beam" don't buy cold white or neutral white ones?, "index rating of 80 or lower" most LEDs I can buy are 80 or even 90, haven't seen any below 80, wtf |
| 08:48.13 | Gnarfoz | (let alone "far less" than 80) |
| 08:48.40 | Gnarfoz | :shrug: |
| 08:49.01 | Trela | I replaced all my old CFLs with some new 90+ CRI LEDs. Pictures around the house are so much better now. |
| 08:50.43 | Gnarfoz | wait until you get 105 CRI LEDs! they'll become 3D holograms |
| 08:50.44 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 08:52.44 | Semlar | so grossly incandescent |
| 09:46.36 | Stanzilla | ok nope nevcairiel that looks even more broken than before :D |
| 09:46.39 | Stanzilla | I hate this shitfest |
| 09:48.52 | Stanzilla | or maybe it only bugged out once |
| 09:49.45 | Stanzilla | meh, w/e I'll leave it like that |
| 09:51.55 | nevcairiel | giving up so soon |
| 09:52.09 | Kalroth | coward |
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| 09:57.59 | Stanzilla | already tried a few days ago |
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| 10:55.00 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/HNgpqzw.jpg look what you did stanzilla |
| 10:58.15 | Gnarfoz | why do you make those maps |
| 10:58.17 | Gnarfoz | they're unreadable |
| 11:00.38 | nevcairiel | dont ask the why of Semlar |
| 11:01.08 | Gnarfoz | true |
| 11:01.12 | Gnarfoz | http://images.anandtech.com/doci/10337/Pricing.png totally cheap |
| 11:04.56 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/QslXKuk.jpg is this better, gnarfoz |
| 11:05.28 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: it's more... homogenous |
| 11:14.59 | Kalroth | wow map name cloud |
| 11:15.18 | Kalroth | each entry represents how many times a place has been named |
| 11:16.04 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Pd3Ix0y.jpg |
| 11:17.19 | Gnarfoz | oh god http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/dvb-t2-die-wichtigsten-infos-zum-start/ |
| 11:17.31 | Gnarfoz | inb4 parents call about dvb-t2 |
| 11:18.23 | nevcairiel | so thats live now? i should see if my dvb box understands it |
| 11:18.30 | nevcairiel | not that i use tv |
| 11:18.55 | Semlar | the game really doesn't like drawing this many lines |
| 11:19.46 | nevcairiel | my parents have cable though, so no calls |
| 11:20.19 | Gnarfoz | at leat it's supposed to be, no idea... my parents don't use it either |
| 11:20.27 | Gnarfoz | won't stop them from reading about it and calling, though |
| 11:20.40 | Gnarfoz | I think my dad does have a DVB-T receiver somewhere, not sure what for |
| 11:21.10 | Gnarfoz | (and I'm not sure if either of their TVs support it natively... they probably don't have h265 decoders) |
| 11:21.31 | Gnarfoz | neat, my tiny town is also in the first wave? |
| 11:21.40 | Gnarfoz | I guess I can try, my TV should be new enough |
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| 11:23.26 | Gnarfoz | ...or not? at least they don't list it on their site... but maybe they only list ones that also support that crazy new payment/authorization stuff |
| 11:24.42 | Gnarfoz | UE49K... K is 2016, I guess? mine is UE48J ^^ |
| 11:24.57 | Gnarfoz | Samsung product/version naming always with the letters... |
| 11:26.58 | znf | https://masteroverwatch.com/profile/pc/eu/Znuff-2328 |
| 11:27.02 | znf | nice website stats |
| 11:27.16 | Gnarfoz | that's the third of those websites I've seen in a week now |
| 11:27.53 | znf | most complete I've seen yet |
| 11:28.05 | Gnarfoz | actually, it's the first one again |
| 11:29.43 | Phixion | sneaks up behind quiescens |
| 11:29.52 | quiescens | dies. |
| 11:30.03 | Phixion | steals all the cookies |
| 11:30.10 | Gnarfoz | pff  znf look at this pie chart on the left https://watcher.gg/profile/pc/eu/Znuff%232328 |
| 11:30.25 | Gnarfoz | fix your hero switch button! :D |
| 11:30.27 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.27 | znf | We'll show performance charts when we've been tracking this profile for at least 2 days |
| 11:30.28 | znf | >_< |
| 11:31.11 | Gnarfoz | well, not their fault :P |
| 11:31.16 | znf | well, my team always wants me to play tank... |
| 11:31.30 | Gnarfoz | at least you have a team that cares, I guess |
| 11:31.45 | znf | every time I don't play tank, we lose >_< |
| 11:32.13 | Gnarfoz | probably because you don't play any of the other heroes enough to know them well? :D or because your teammates suck and can't pick up the slack |
| 11:32.25 | Gnarfoz | poor znf, pidgeonholed into playing Reinhardt forever |
| 11:33.05 | znf | well, playing rheinhardt works... most maps suck without it |
| 11:33.25 | Gnarfoz | those two statements kind of contradict each other |
| 11:33.33 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, I read "with it" |
| 11:33.34 | Gnarfoz | never mind |
| 11:33.35 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 11:33.39 | znf | payload map? get a reinhardt to stay on the moving objective, while veryone else stays behind the shield |
| 11:34.08 | znf | capture point? get a reinhardt to charge in and earthshatter the opposing team while pharah comes in swooping with her ultimate |
| 11:35.01 | Gnarfoz | capture point enemy team doesn't have oatmeal for brains: they have a bastion sitting somewhere overlooking the spot who will eat your Reinhardt alive while he's charging in |
| 11:35.10 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 11:35.19 | Gnarfoz | (well, someone has to take care of him first) |
| 11:35.21 | Gnarfoz | etc. |
| 11:35.36 | Gnarfoz | any of them work, it all boils down to your team knowing what you can do and when you're going to do it |
| 11:35.37 | znf | there's not many maps where playing reinhardt fails |
| 11:35.45 | znf | meh, get a genji, bye bastion |
| 11:36.17 | znf | people haven't learned to not shoot at the swinging blade :D |
| 11:36.34 | Gnarfoz | well, see above about terrible enemies |
| 11:36.49 | znf | also, double reinhardt takes care of a bastion :D |
| 11:37.08 | znf | (in case it's protected by another reinhardt :D |
| 11:38.29 | Phixion | Stanzilla: https://github.com/rmoriz/mvg-live :) |
| 11:39.43 | Gnarfoz | Phixion: I wish more cities had this http://fahrinfo.vbb.de/bin/help.exe/dn?L=vs_mobilitymap&tpl=fullmap&tabApp=show |
| 11:39.55 | znf | I haz many medalz |
| 11:40.10 | Phixion | we do |
| 11:40.24 | Phixion | at least for s-bahn afaik |
| 11:41.22 | Gnarfoz | http://fahrinfo.vbb.de/bin/help.exe/dn?L=vs_mobilitymap&&tpl=fullmap&tabApp=show&initialX=13416051&initialY=52506742&initialZ=16384& maximum Wuselfaktor |
| 11:43.06 | Kesava | is there a trick i've missed in suramar to get mana |
| 11:43.12 | Kesava | i can't afford to feed all this people |
| 11:43.19 | Kesava | these |
| 11:44.24 | Semlar | what if you fed some of them to the rest of them |
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| 12:19.36 | Gnarfoz | the amount of fans on this card it too damn high http://www.computerbase.de/bildstrecke/72503/17/ |
| 12:22.55 | Megalon | the small one on top |
| 12:23.04 | Megalon | is that to cool the 3 big fans? |
| 12:25.57 | nevcairiel | nah its to keep the RMA department busy |
| 12:26.08 | nevcairiel | gotta create jobs in this economy |
| 12:35.29 | Semlar | my gpu only has 1 fan :( |
| 12:36.16 | haste | lol Gnarfoz |
| 12:36.25 | haste | there's still some spots they could fit a couple more |
| 12:36.46 | nevcairiel | my current one only has 1 fan as well, but the new one has 3 |
| 12:40.25 | Semlar | hopefully they just create turbulence and interfere with each other |
| 13:02.48 | quiescens | moo? |
| 13:04.37 | Kalroth | https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-mass-producing-industrys-first-512-gigabyte-nvme-ssd-in-a-single-bga-package-for-more-flexibility-in-computing-device-design but i just got my 951 PRO :( |
| 13:05.57 | nevcairiel | bga packages are more for laptops or even smaller devices anyway |
| 13:06.42 | Kalroth | oh |
| 13:06.46 | Kalroth | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/asus-avalon-specs-modular-pc/ i dont even |
| 13:07.01 | Kalroth | it looks like a stereo from the 90s |
| 13:10.43 | quiescens | oh good, they're making 10 core desktop cpus |
| 13:11.03 | nevcairiel | not sure i would call it desktop, more like workstation |
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| 14:00.23 | Gnarfoz | ah, good old customers sending screenshots pasted into pptx files... |
| 14:00.31 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 14:01.02 | Gnarfoz | "Connessione sicura non riuscita" oO |
| 14:01.52 | nevcairiel | now i'm hungry for italian food |
| 14:02.27 | Gnarfoz | I'm hungry for a better problem description from these fuckos |
| 14:24.01 | quiescens | at least it wasn't |
| 14:24.13 | quiescens | a photo of a screenshot pasted into word |
| 14:24.44 | nevcairiel | so many people take phone photos of their screen because screenshots are hard |
| 14:24.45 | Megalon | or a video of quiescens doing an interpretive dance of said problem |
| 14:25.21 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 14:25.32 | Megalon | screenshots are tedious |
| 14:26.40 | Gnarfoz | quiescens: it's really the same level of dumb, Word or Powerpoint is just their choice of wrong program for the job |
| 14:26.47 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, you said something else |
| 14:26.49 | Gnarfoz | I need more sleep |
| 14:26.59 | quiescens | o.o |
| 14:27.34 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 14:27.36 | quiescens | ^^ |
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| 17:07.28 | znf | yay I love these videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YyRBsI0ALc |
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| 18:05.02 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 18:05.08 | Fisker | I want June security bulletin |
| 18:05.09 | Fisker | you has? |
| 18:05.43 | Stanzilla | no |
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| 19:05.33 | Fisker | http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52336/intels-next-gen-skylake-processor-arrive-lga-3647-socket/index.html nevcairiel |
| 19:06.13 | nevcairiel | i wonder wtf they need all these pins for |
| 19:06.52 | quiescens | its a good way to sell new motherboards |
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| 19:07.07 | nevcairiel | well in the past they just made the socket different |
| 19:07.11 | Fisker | Please quiescens |
| 19:07.20 | nevcairiel | like 2011-v3 is the same pins as 2011, but new |
| 19:07.28 | nevcairiel | or 1150, 1151, 1155 sockets |
| 19:07.36 | nevcairiel | but an increase to 3647? |
| 19:07.42 | Fisker | They're on their 3rd socket compatible for EP right? |
| 19:07.49 | nevcairiel | two |
| 19:08.12 | Fisker | I thought it was definitely more than 2 |
| 19:09.46 | nevcairiel | i dunno, i guess |
| 19:10.43 | nevcairiel | anyway quiescens the HEDT platform already is much more conservatiive with sockets, the consumer platform needs new sockets every new CPU, these at least keep the same for 2 generations |
| 19:11.31 | quiescens | i'm just poking fun at it ): |
| 19:11.41 | quiescens | gives nevcairiel a cookie |
| 19:12.07 | nevcairiel | i still wonder wtf they need all those pins for |
| 19:12.17 | nevcairiel | hexa-channel ram adds a few pins, but not 1600 |
| 19:13.29 | nevcairiel | maybe they add graphics to the hedt platform |
| 19:20.30 | nevcairiel | mhm what happened to the beta leveling realms |
| 19:23.59 | quiescens | o.o |
| 19:26.21 | Gnarfoz | SLI with x8 + x8 (or x16 + x8) vs. x16 + x16 is still pretty much neglibile, right? |
| 19:26.29 | Gnarfoz | at most 1-digit percent losses? |
| 19:26.55 | nevcairiel | mostly yes |
| 19:27.05 | nevcairiel | i'm more sad that there is no room for pcie ssd etc |
| 19:28.41 | Stanzilla | so you are buying one of those 10 core monsters, nevcairiel? |
| 19:28.50 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 19:29.19 | nevcairiel | single thread performance suffers too much |
| 19:33.27 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.52 | Gnarfoz | well we just got Broadwell-E finally, wonder how long Skylake-E is going to take ;) |
| 19:34.35 | Gnarfoz | perhaps it's for 3d xpoint |
| 19:35.15 | nevcairiel | for like what |
| 19:36.26 | Gnarfoz | for what? connecting it! :D |
| 19:36.33 | Gnarfoz | propietary bus, who knows |
| 19:36.41 | nevcairiel | in 1600 pins? |
| 19:36.46 | nevcairiel | thatrs one hell of a bus |
| 19:37.51 | Gnarfoz | HBM-style |
| 19:38.01 | Gnarfoz | every bit gets its own data line :D |
| 19:38.32 | nevcairiel | presumably pcie 4.0 |
| 19:40.04 | nevcairiel | its fascinating how they manage to double the transfer speed again and again :d |
| 19:40.48 | Stanzilla | when was 3.0 |
| 19:40.51 | Stanzilla | 10 years ago? |
| 19:41.09 | Stanzilla | 7? |
| 19:41.12 | nevcairiel | final spec in 2010 |
| 19:41.30 | Gnarfoz | are they shooting for another doubling with 4.0? |
| 19:41.32 | Stanzilla | double in 7 years is not that fast then |
| 19:41.32 | Gnarfoz | thought it was less |
| 19:41.39 | nevcairiel | 16 GT/s |
| 19:41.48 | Stanzilla | still impressive |
| 19:41.51 | Gnarfoz | translates to... what? |
| 19:41.58 | Gnarfoz | in B/s |
| 19:42.03 | nevcairiel | 32GB/s on x16 |
| 19:42.09 | Gnarfoz | doesn't 3.0 do that? |
| 19:42.18 | nevcairiel | checks math |
| 19:42.39 | Gnarfoz | 3.0 was already pushing "we can't even tell anymore if the signal is high or low, fuck off you greedy bastards" levels of craziness :D |
| 19:43.24 | nevcairiel | right, pcie 3.0 was 8 GT/s, for 32GB/s on x16, and 4.0 is 16 GT/s for 64GB/s |
| 19:44.03 | quiescens | o.o |
| 19:44.43 | Gnarfoz | that is... quite insane |
| 19:46.02 | nevcairiel | although those 64GB/s are full duplex, its 32GB/s in one direction, but the same applies to the numbers cited for 3.0 etc |
| 19:46.53 | nevcairiel | still a whole lot of data |
| 19:47.09 | Primer | Pardon my ignorance, but...GT? WTF is T? |
| 19:47.15 | nevcairiel | transfer |
| 19:47.31 | Primer | So ops? |
| 19:48.02 | Primer | Surely such a metric would be a factor of amount |
| 19:48.45 | nevcairiel | 16 GT/s means it can transfer 16*10^9 "units" per second, with a 32-bit bus thats 32 * 16 * 10^9 bits |
| 19:49.17 | nevcairiel | so yes, its the number of "operations" per second |
| 19:49.31 | nevcairiel | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_(computing) |
| 19:50.32 | Megalon | transfers 16 GigaFiskers into nevcairiel flat |
| 19:51.07 | nevcairiel | our systems sure shuffle around a lot of information |
| 19:51.31 | Megalon | "information", you mean pron |
| 19:51.34 | Megalon | pron and catvids |
| 20:17.11 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: interesting coincidence... we looked at some Oracle stats and saw that we read about 4.1 GiB of data per second |
| 20:17.19 | Gnarfoz | ...averaged over a 24h period |
| 20:17.27 | nevcairiel | thats also a whole lot of data |
| 20:17.58 | Gnarfoz | 337.2 TiB/day :O |
| 20:19.29 | Gnarfoz | which is quite insane, considering the entire DB is "only" about 10 TiB at the moment, and I bet something like half of that are indexes :D |
| 20:19.46 | Gnarfoz | (actually I don't want to know how much of it is indexes, that number would probably be dumb and scary) |
| 20:19.54 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 20:19.59 | nevcairiel | beta leveling realms still ded :( |
| 20:20.05 | Gnarfoz | yeah I just noticed that |
| 20:20.07 | Gnarfoz | planned? |
| 20:20.10 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 20:20.13 | nevcairiel | pvp realm is still ther |
| 20:20.15 | Gnarfoz | Overwatch it is, then |
| 20:20.35 | nevcairiel | "Unsure why some Beta realms are offline, investigating." :p |
| 20:20.38 | nevcairiel | not planned then |
| 20:20.41 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:21.16 | Gnarfoz | I like how "music" is still more than double the size of the next 2 smaller things in the DB |
| 20:21.25 | Gnarfoz | (the next two combined, that is) |
| 20:21.35 | Gnarfoz | streaming data is just insane |
| 20:21.46 | Gnarfoz | so many dataz |
| 20:22.18 | nevcairiel | i wanted to do some heroic dungeons :( |
| 20:24.25 | Gnarfoz | I was kind of considering maybe tanking a normal dungeon to look at tanking (haven't done that at all since, not even in Alpha) |
| 20:24.48 | Gnarfoz | I did put some abilities on bars last time I was logged in to check if maybe my quest NPC was un-broken |
| 20:24.48 | nevcairiel | i healed a few paladin tanks, seemed like they were in a good spot surv wise |
| 20:25.05 | Gnarfoz | emphasis on "some" because there don't seem to be many |
| 20:25.20 | nevcairiel | heh my bar is half empty as well |
| 20:25.32 | nevcairiel | not sure what I had on there on live, probably buttons i never use |
| 20:25.53 | Stanzilla | paladin active mitigation is rng |
| 20:25.56 | Stanzilla | so that is always fun |
| 20:26.01 | Stanzilla | because rng is fun, right |
| 20:26.07 | nevcairiel | like every spell is AM now |
| 20:26.09 | nevcairiel | i have like, 5 |
| 20:27.59 | Gnarfoz | it's rng? I didn't actually look at spell tooltips too much, is it not bound to shield of the righteous anymore? |
| 20:29.25 | nevcairiel | the binary AM checks are a joke in legion, you have sooo many AM spells |
| 20:30.21 | Gnarfoz | I do? maybe I should look into it before fucking someone's dungeon run over, then :P |
| 20:30.52 | nevcairiel | every long cooldown counts as AM for one |
| 20:30.58 | nevcairiel | as does every short cooldown |
| 20:31.11 | nevcairiel | or defense spells without cooldown |
| 20:31.17 | nevcairiel | druid has 2 on just rage cost |
| 20:31.23 | nevcairiel | (one for melee, one for magic) |
| 20:31.51 | nebula | didn't realize cds counted as am, makes sense i suppose |
| 20:32.22 | nebula | (mechanic-wise) |
| 20:32.40 | nevcairiel | its a bit silly if you put up your strongest defensive cooldown and the AM check doesnt trigger |
| 20:32.45 | nebula | yea |
| 20:33.37 | Gnarfoz | that was always a bit weird |
| 20:33.42 | nevcairiel | even barkskin for druids counts now, with its tiny 20% reduction =p |
| 20:33.58 | Gnarfoz | I don't think I have a 20% cd anymore |
| 20:42.56 | Stanzilla | now Fisker |
| 20:49.10 | Megalon | so we just won vs malta 2:1 |
| 20:49.18 | Megalon | does that mean we are EM2016 champions? |
| 20:54.33 | Parnic | fisker how do i get my strix 1070? |
| 21:00.38 | nevcairiel | you buy it in a store |
| 21:00.55 | Parnic | it's not there right now |
| 21:01.23 | Parnic | checkmate. |
| 21:02.22 | Parnic | -sn 158485 |
| 21:02.26 | Parnic | wrong channel |
| 21:04.34 | Megalon | stop trading drugs on darknet |
| 21:30.52 | Ironii | imo prot paladins have a one huge basic flaw in beta: you have to stand in your own consecration |
| 21:31.03 | Ironii | + its boring, but thats beside the point |
| 21:31.49 | Ironii | being able to move once every 8 seconds (or something like that) is a huge duel in raids |
| 21:32.59 | Ironii | + it forces you to use aoe spells just for better survivability, which is insane for some encounters |
| 21:34.32 | Ironii | im starting to think that every dev plays either healer or dps, based on legion changes + legion & wod itemization |
| 21:34.42 | Gnarfoz | doubtful. |
| 21:34.57 | Gnarfoz | no idea why people cling to such weird ideas for the last 12 years :D |
| 21:35.05 | Megalon | they all play durid |
| 21:35.09 | Gnarfoz | for fite? |
| 21:35.14 | Megalon | where they got cat for fite! |
| 21:35.20 | Gnarfoz | or bare durid |
| 21:35.21 | Gnarfoz | for tank |
| 21:35.25 | Megalon | and baer 4 tank lol |
| 21:35.43 | Megalon | sum druid is tree |
| 21:37.04 | Megalon | alamo teechs u 2 play durid is one of the best things ever :D |
| 21:37.08 | Ironii | well Gnarfoz, if they actually played a tank, they should know better than to design items or abilities that forces tanks to use aoe abilities / causes random aoe damage |
| 21:37.29 | Gnarfoz | or maybe they want this |
| 21:37.31 | nevcairiel | only moving out of the consec area outside of those every 8 seconds would've been perfectly fine in wod raids =p |
| 21:37.33 | Gnarfoz | and you just want something else :D |
| 21:38.17 | nevcairiel | and many tansk have aoe spells as fixed parts of their rotation, if i dont hit swipe i lose out on so much shit |
| 21:38.29 | nevcairiel | its just the way the world works now |
| 21:38.39 | Megalon | this world sucks! |
| 21:38.49 | Ironii | Gnarfoz true, i want to control my char and abilities ;) |
| 21:38.59 | Megalon | i just want to lazerpewpew stuff |
| 21:39.02 | Gnarfoz | sounds more liek you want to design them, too |
| 21:39.38 | Gnarfoz | also isn't there a talent that says "gains the effect of standing in consecration"? |
| 21:39.38 | Ironii | nevcairiel yea for dmg, and imo thats fine, but you shouldn't lose too much survivability if you want to avoid using aoe spells for few seconds |
| 21:39.42 | Gnarfoz | maybe I read that wrong |
| 21:39.54 | Ironii | for crusader strike |
| 21:39.59 | Ironii | or what ever it is in legion |
| 21:40.05 | Ironii | the basic filler spell |
| 21:41.19 | Ironii | and it wouldn't have been "fine" in wod, there are many encounters that requires you to move either 1) fast or 2) regularly |
| 21:42.18 | Gnarfoz | so it wouldn't be perfect |
| 21:42.20 | Gnarfoz | big deal :O |
| 21:42.49 | nevcairiel | eh, i've tanked everything in wod and much of it on mythic as well, and i dont remember it being that big of a deal |
| 21:43.11 | Gnarfoz | I know you raid at the edge, but always to be able to use each and every ability regardless of situation is kind of... much |
| 21:43.38 | nevcairiel | in fact most bosses were rather boring to tank |
| 21:43.46 | Ironii | don't overgear the content so much ;) |
| 21:44.11 | nevcairiel | maybe you shouldnt expect to beat everythign entirely undergeared either :) |
| 21:44.13 | Gnarfoz | rather: don't expect them to design the game around the 0.01% |
| 21:44.30 | Stanzilla | I dont think you can even remotely compare the two kinds of raiding you guys are talking about |
| 21:44.48 | nevcairiel | the point is, game should not be designed around the Ironii kind =p |
| 21:46.59 | Ironii | whats the point of designing abilities in a way that its basicly impossible to play perfectly in raids? |
| 21:47.12 | Stanzilla | rng is their way to balance |
| 21:47.33 | nevcairiel | life is random, get over it =p |
| 21:48.42 | Ironii | if you can't use aoe abilities, and your survivability relies on your aoe abilities, it means that you will idle and hope that healers are able to heal you |
| 21:48.45 | nevcairiel | playing "perfectly" is a matter of definition, abilities should have their uses and their limits, you can still play perfectly with the abilities given to you |
| 21:48.59 | Ironii | is that really fine in your opinion? |
| 21:49.29 | nevcairiel | in what situation does it actively harm you to use aoe |
| 21:50.05 | Stanzilla | I dont like it either but there is no other way to balance bad and good players than rng |
| 21:50.29 | nevcairiel | you're the only one talking about rng Stanzilla, we're talking about aoe =p |
| 21:50.30 | Ironii | when you shouldn't do any dmg to X mobs so you don't get agro |
| 21:50.32 | Stanzilla | difficulty comes from the raid bosses now |
| 21:50.39 | Stanzilla | since those have difficulty modes |
| 21:50.40 | Stanzilla | classes dont |
| 21:50.56 | Ironii | (or break CC!) |
| 21:51.09 | nevcairiel | CC is just trash, get over it |
| 21:51.21 | nevcairiel | for aggro .. someone has to have aggro of them, maybe they should work harder |
| 21:51.23 | Ironii | 5mans? |
| 21:51.30 | Ironii | ... |
| 21:52.15 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: right, it was just my default rant if people mention RNG |
| 21:52.18 | Stanzilla | I'm triggered easily!" |
| 21:52.43 | Ironii | yes, becouse every tank class has some kind of super uber snap threat ability that can overagro other tanks |
| 21:54.21 | nevcairiel | assign those tanks with the strong aoe to pickup the adds, have the tank without it tank the big guy, paladin aoe threat has always been insane from their self-healing alone |
| 21:55.55 | Ironii | so instead of not forcing to use aoe abilities, what you want is to have 3 tanks in raids so 1 guy can pick up the adds and 2 guys take the boss? |
| 22:00.05 | Gnarfoz | in vanilla or BC that would have been entirely possible :D |
| 22:00.11 | Gnarfoz | but we're not there anymore |
| 22:00.30 | nevcairiel | maybe just dont tank the boss ontop of the point where new adds spawn so the other tank gets a chance to pick them up |
| 22:00.53 | nevcairiel | usually bosses dont poop them out |
| 22:00.58 | Gnarfoz | btw Ironii: "because" ;-D |
| 22:02.38 | nevcairiel | its the typical problem, people stuck in their ways "because thats how it always worked", so instead of re-evaluating the situation as a whole and adapting, you get complaints |
| 22:02.50 | Ironii | that doesn't work in every boss, thats the problem |
| 22:03.24 | Ironii | there atleast few encounters in the first tier of legion that spawns adds in a random spot and causes a wipe if "main tank" gains agro from them |
| 22:03.36 | nevcairiel | a tank t hat goes full out aoe on adds should be stronger than a tank that does minimal aoe to keep his mitigation up, i would hope |
| 22:04.39 | nevcairiel | and if at a progression level that requires taking another cooldown and not aoeing for a few seconds, than thats just the style to play that |
| 22:04.42 | nevcairiel | i dont see a problem |
| 22:05.58 | Ironii | ... |
| 22:06.21 | Gnarfoz | but then you can't spend 100% of the time doing your rotation perfectly, nevcairiel :| |
| 22:09.26 | Ironii | its like forcing tank to face away from the boss and saying oh just use cd's, its a perfect design! |
| 22:09.37 | Ironii | why would you want to face to boss, avoidance is so vanilla |
| 22:10.14 | Gnarfoz | that comparison stinks |
| 22:11.08 | Ironii | mhh, not really? does it really matter if you are forced to look away or just idle? |
| 22:11.18 | Gnarfoz | yes, because "idling" doesn't kill you |
| 22:11.29 | Ironii | neither does looking away |
| 22:11.39 | Ironii | it will just increase your dmg taken |
| 22:11.41 | nevcairiel | getting hit in the back does kill you faster then not =p |
| 22:12.05 | Gnarfoz | also if I want something back from vanilla/bc days, it's that bosses required different play styles at times |
| 22:12.18 | Gnarfoz | including watching aggro (but hey, aggro works differently now anyway) |
| 22:12.33 | nevcairiel | you are not supposed to idly sit there and die, thats what you got cooldowns for, to survive critical areas of the fight |
| 22:13.00 | Gnarfoz | also, healers are indeed supposed to heal you |
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| 22:14.03 | Gnarfoz | I'll have to look into what depends on standing in consecration to have more of an opinion |
| 22:14.13 | Gnarfoz | so far it's mostly based on "you don't get to design the game" :P |
| 22:14.25 | Ironii | sotr + the heal |
| 22:14.41 | Gnarfoz | from what I remember the heal just gets bigger while in consecration? |
| 22:14.47 | Gnarfoz | it's not like you can't use it |
| 22:15.27 | nevcairiel | sotr also just gets increased |
| 22:24.11 | Stanzilla | http://imgur.com/19epnO1 |
| 22:24.42 | nevcairiel | i love what sort of things you can send back with genji |
| 22:28.53 | Gnarfoz | basically all projectiles |
| 22:31.16 | nevcairiel | yeah but things like the bot, or meis ult, or shit like that |
| 22:31.18 | nevcairiel | its just crazy :D |
| 22:34.00 | pompy | OP |
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| 22:58.16 | Megalon | they should nerf him.. like give +1 minions with charge |
| 22:58.22 | Megalon | +to :< |
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