| 00:00.28 | Semlar | what |
| 00:00.52 | Gnarfoz | so I just spent the last 3 hours reading a traffic engineer's blog on urban planning, development and such things. what is wrong with me |
| 00:01.12 | Stanzilla | you're retarded |
| 00:01.32 | Gnarfoz | possibly. other suggestions? |
| 00:01.47 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 00:04.04 | Megalon | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPD5mHnkFqI#t=1m51s |
| 00:04.06 | Megalon | :'( |
| 00:04.38 | Semlar | you secretly yearn for an exciting career in the field of traffic engineering |
| 00:05.17 | Megalon | douses *foz in GENTRIFICATION |
| 00:08.59 | Semlar | starfoz? |
| 00:09.07 | Semlar | do a barrel roll |
| 00:09.10 | Megalon | don't be rude |
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| 01:08.52 | nebula | i took a course in uni for urban engineering, it can be neat stuff |
| 01:37.02 | Megalon | when i was in the orient i took a course in uni for turban engineering |
| 01:37.18 | Megalon | trying to wrap your head around it was literally the worst approach |
| 01:46.42 | Stanzilla | nebula mate |
| 01:46.52 | nebula | ? |
| 01:47.18 | Stanzilla | I asked you a question in the other channel |
| 01:47.44 | nebula | is pitbull my project? ask breser |
| 01:48.18 | Stanzilla | oh forgot he is still here |
| 01:48.32 | Megalon | he should ask breser if pitbull is your project? |
| 01:48.45 | nebula | yes |
| 01:49.16 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: some days (or nights), I feel like your talent is wasted on us |
| 01:49.42 | Megalon | that's a really nice way of saying GTFO |
| 01:50.27 | Gnarfoz | see? :> |
| 01:50.50 | Fisker | Go to bed |
| 01:50.53 | Megalon | but i know that you didn't mean to |
| 01:51.00 | Megalon | because you are such a fluffy cutiepie |
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| 04:04.50 | Stanzilla | pretty http://i.imgur.com/CwYJSRZ.jpg |
| 04:05.27 | Fisker | You're pretty |
| 04:11.52 | Stanzilla | defo not |
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| 05:48.21 | nevcairiel | so i clicked the class spinning wheel on diablofans, and it gave me the exact combination i was going to play anyway, i feel reassured now |
| 05:51.39 | Fisker | Which class is the class to play nevcairiel ? |
| 05:54.39 | nevcairiel | i'm playing crusader which is still one of the good choices for solo, but for high-end group play probably not - but i never get to do that anyway |
| 06:04.03 | Fisker | Almost pascal hype though nevcairiel |
| 06:04.10 | nevcairiel | not that close |
| 06:06.41 | Fisker | they say there's apparently an event for the press next week |
| 06:07.06 | Fisker | which apparently means announcement close after if they follow like maxwell |
| 06:08.11 | nevcairiel | we shall see |
| 06:09.01 | nevcairiel | the good thing about early announces or paper launches is that there are usually plenty reviews before you can actually throw your money at someone |
| 06:31.25 | MysticalOS | i'm playing barb, i only play barb |
| 06:31.44 | MysticalOS | and whatever build RNG gives me first. |
| 06:31.58 | nevcairiel | there is no rng in free sets |
| 06:32.13 | MysticalOS | i don't even look up what does best where. i just take gear i get and go "yep, i guess I can go with this". cause i'll only play for about a week anyways. then wait for next season |
| 06:38.47 | nevcairiel | i usually dont play much more either, but a week is enough to reach rather high levels these days |
| 06:51.00 | quiescens | o.o |
| 07:01.45 | Fisker | so nevcairiel |
| 07:01.57 | Fisker | What is preferred in memory? Raw speed or is cas latency better? |
| 07:03.27 | Kalroth | according to semiconductor engineers, CAS latency is inaccurate indicator of performance |
| 07:03.47 | Fisker | According to dentists worldwide their preferred brand is Colgate? |
| 07:04.19 | Kalroth | Based on in-depth engineering analysis and extensive testing the answer to this classic question about memory is -speed- |
| 07:04.41 | Kalroth | there's even a white paper on it, i hope it isn't blank |
| 07:05.06 | Kalroth | http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-performance-speed-latency copied from here |
| 07:05.08 | quiescens | gives kalroth a piece of paper |
| 07:05.23 | Kalroth | i use DDR4-3200 and it's the bestest |
| 07:05.41 | nebula | i remember when cas was the benchmark everyone used, gotta get that cas 5 mem, bro! now i hardly ever even see cas being brought up |
| 07:06.26 | Infus | Fisker: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7364/memory-scaling-on-haswell |
| 07:06.35 | Kalroth | nebula, that makes sense when looking at the 'true latency' table |
| 07:06.55 | Kalroth | nebula, from CL3 and up, the true latency is 13.50 to 15.00 |
| 07:07.09 | Kalroth | eg. pretty much identical across speeds |
| 07:07.33 | Kalroth | (at least for DDR memory) |
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| 07:30.41 | nevcairiel | Fisker: combine both |
| 07:31.10 | nevcairiel | raw performance gives you more throughput, while latency is a combination of both throughput and cas latency |
| 07:31.42 | nevcairiel | I'm looking at 3200 CL15 modules right now |
| 07:36.03 | nevcairiel | (so in short, more MHZ is always more better) |
| 07:37.53 | nevcairiel | or maybe the corsair 3200 CL14 |
| 07:38.21 | Fisker | sauce nevcairiel ? |
| 07:38.37 | nevcairiel | tomato please |
| 07:39.21 | nevcairiel | or the gskill 3400 CL16 |
| 07:39.23 | nevcairiel | so many choices |
| 07:49.48 | nevcairiel | probably going to be either gskill trident 3200 CL14 or 3400 CL16, but still time to decide until the broadwell-e comes out |
| 08:09.38 | Kalroth | i bought the cheapest 3200 i could find |
| 08:12.14 | Kalroth | so C18 it seems |
| 08:15.10 | Kalroth | nope, C16! |
| 08:15.11 | Kalroth | hooray |
| 08:15.16 | Kalroth | http://www.corsair.com/en/vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c16-memory-kit-red-cmk16gx4m2b3200c16r |
| 08:22.31 | Fisker | ew |
| 08:22.34 | Fisker | 8GB |
| 08:22.36 | Fisker | hipster |
| 08:36.36 | nevcairiel | i need 4 modules, and buying 16gb modules is rather expensive =p |
| 08:49.16 | Kalroth | yeah, i bought 4 too |
| 08:49.23 | Kalroth | 32GB in total is plenty for my desktop! |
| 09:01.33 | nevcairiel | i could install 8 if i wanted to, but 128 seems especially overkill, so getting 32 with an option for another 32 if i ever need it is fine with me |
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| 09:46.47 | Gnarfoz | colleague took home server memory and areca raid controllers when we decommissioned our previous SVCs... I should get in on that next time |
| 09:47.53 | nevcairiel | raid controllers i can understand, but what would one want with old server memory |
| 09:48.03 | Phixion | morning |
| 09:48.19 | Phixion | hey Fisker how' dolby atmos been? |
| 09:48.21 | Phixion | s |
| 09:48.31 | Fisker | dunno |
| 09:48.33 | nevcairiel | those are probably registered DIMMs, which need special motherboards to even work |
| 09:48.36 | Fisker | it's dirt cheap nevcairiel |
| 09:48.41 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: high-capacity DDR3, :shrug: |
| 09:48.51 | Fisker | The memory I bought around skylake launch is like 50% the price now |
| 09:49.00 | nevcairiel | Fisker: indeed |
| 09:49.02 | Gnarfoz | or rather, high at the time |
| 09:49.07 | Fisker | Intel Desktop boards do not support 16GB DIMMs no |
| 09:49.12 | Fisker | on DDR3 |
| 09:49.19 | Fisker | Except like one of the celeron chips |
| 09:49.28 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: but proper server memory is still buffered/registered which just doesnt work in "consumer" hardware, unless your servers didnt use that, but shrug |
| 09:49.35 | Fisker | But it's more of a server celeron |
| 09:49.51 | Gnarfoz | I think it was for his storage/server rig and he grabbed an appropriate board/cpu |
| 09:50.00 | Fisker | jersk |
| 09:50.13 | Fisker | I should look into upgrading my system soon |
| 09:50.15 | Gnarfoz | thinking about that, I think he took one of the CPUs we had lying on a shelf for 3 years, too |
| 09:50.17 | Gnarfoz | "D |
| 09:50.18 | Fisker | Freenas should support it now |
| 09:50.21 | nevcairiel | (the buffered part is what allows those DIMMs to be that particular big size) |
| 09:50.33 | Gnarfoz | xeon 5570 or so |
| 09:50.57 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I know all that, it's my job D: I just don't recall the precise parts that were in that particular rig ^^ |
| 09:51.04 | Gnarfoz | (or rigs, rather) |
| 09:51.21 | Gnarfoz | those xeons were just money lying on a shelf, honestly |
| 09:51.40 | nevcairiel | so, he "borrowed" money from work? |
| 09:51.57 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:52.04 | Gnarfoz | IT boss man gave his blessing |
| 09:52.10 | nevcairiel | well then |
| 09:52.25 | Gnarfoz | they were written off anyway, and we weren't going to re-use them for work purposes |
| 09:52.40 | Fisker | http://skinflint.co.uk/gigabyte-ga-z170n-wifi-a1306466.html |
| 09:52.42 | Fisker | Get this maybe |
| 09:52.54 | Gnarfoz | they were intended for upgrading the RAM in the SVCs, but it turned out they were running Windows Server Standard which doesn't support more RAM than we already had in them |
| 09:53.02 | Gnarfoz | so... yeah. great job on planning. |
| 09:53.09 | nevcairiel | why would I buy a baby-board when I can buy a bigger one |
| 09:53.33 | Fisker | It's for my server |
| 09:54.01 | Gnarfoz | I should look into a mb/cpu combo for my storage rig... I need to finally do that, FFS :D |
| 09:54.54 | Gnarfoz | kind of want to make it Linux-based, but I'm not convinced of the quality of the various storage pooling thingies |
| 09:55.00 | nevcairiel | i dont need a new board either way, just going to shove a new cpu and new ram at it |
| 09:55.01 | Gnarfoz | (not LVM, filesystem based ones) |
| 09:55.15 | nevcairiel | can still use snapraid |
| 09:56.06 | Gnarfoz | yeah, of course, but not for pooling |
| 09:56.26 | Gnarfoz | or, well, I don't use it for pooling now, mostly because its pooling is rudimentary at best |
| 09:56.40 | Gnarfoz | I think the top candidate was mergerfs last time I looked |
| 09:57.06 | nevcairiel | mhddfs? |
| 09:58.27 | nevcairiel | (no experience though) |
| 09:59.34 | nevcairiel | personally I prefer sticking to windows when dealing with ntfs, the linux drivers may work well these days, but maybe not perfectly? :) |
| 10:00.44 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's the other part |
| 10:01.01 | Gnarfoz | https://github.com/trapexit/mergerfs#why-use-mergerfs-over-mhddfs claims mhddfs is unmaintained with known open issues |
| 10:01.12 | nevcairiel | it offers an alternative, so use that |
| 10:01.13 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 10:01.18 | Gnarfoz | and mhddfs claims grayhole and aufs are bad for other reasons, |
| 10:01.54 | Gnarfoz | so it's a big circlejerk in which mergerfs is simply the newest contender, until someone else comes along and adds a new one to the mix that will then claim you shouldn't use mergerfs because XXXX |
| 10:01.58 | nevcairiel | its linux open-source world, there will be 5 alternatives, each with their own drawbacks |
| 10:02.20 | nevcairiel | and instead of fixing them, they create a new one to replace it |
| 10:02.24 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 10:03.14 | Gnarfoz | there's an xkcd that's appropriate here |
| 10:03.25 | nevcairiel | i know of which you speak |
| 10:03.26 | Gnarfoz | (isn't there always?) |
| 10:03.44 | nevcairiel | https://xkcd.com/927/ |
| 10:03.48 | nevcairiel | we need a xkcd bot |
| 10:03.51 | Gnarfoz | http://zackreed.me/articles/92-mergerfs-another-good-option-to-pool-your-snapraid-disks I think I dug through this guy's series of blog posts, seemed like he tried all of them once |
| 10:04.04 | Gnarfoz | and a meme bot |
| 10:04.22 | Gnarfoz | that tracks who posts what and keeps a scoreboard for people who post stuff that's already been posted ;D |
| 10:04.34 | Gnarfoz | I wonder if I can get the code for that one from the guy who runs it for EJ |
| 10:17.05 | wink | hmm is it normal that I pay 19% customs on the total amount? were they just not putting the right sticker on the outside? |
| 10:17.14 | wink | 35$ for the goods, 13$ shipping |
| 10:17.22 | wink | german customs = 19% of total |
| 10:17.51 | wink | that's 3 eur! :P nearly a beer |
| 10:22.07 | dieck_ | wink: There are two kind of custom taxes: turnover tax (Einfuhrumsatzssteuer) is the same amount and the same principle as vat (Mwst). Depending on goods and prices, you may also be due to pay customs duty (Zoll) seperatly. I think you are under a price limit, so it doesn't apply to you here |
| 10:22.51 | wink | dieck: I was just handing 8.19 EUR to the post office. and it is EUSt |
| 10:23.00 | dieck | wink: most people don't take this into account (in the truest meaning of the word) when they buy outside Germany/EU |
| 10:23.27 | wink | dieck: I'm not pissed that I have to pay it. I am just wondering about incl. shipping :P |
| 10:23.55 | wink | because inside! is a "tax declaration" sticker that shows xx + shipping |
| 10:24.21 | wink | er sorry |
| 10:24.31 | wink | CUSTOMS DECLARATION |
| 10:24.45 | wink | for 35 USD |
| 10:24.51 | dieck | wink: it's somewhat difficult there, as far as I remember you have to pay customs for packaging, but not for shipping, or the other way round, but as it's mostly invoiced together, you'd have to pay for both. |
| 10:25.02 | wink | I see thanks |
| 10:25.34 | dieck | I had to deal with this on Kickstarter deliveries sometimes :) |
| 10:25.50 | wink | well, it was massdrop :P |
| 10:26.06 | dieck | (and my customs station is about an hour away, most likely the longest distance someone in germany has to travel for that :)) |
| 10:26.20 | wink | munich one is very remote if you live in the south :P |
| 10:26.28 | wink | been driving friends there already |
| 10:26.47 | wink | I was lucky, it was at the post office with a customs sticker and I paid at the post office |
| 10:31.49 | Gnarfoz | what they should do, but most non-german sellers never get: attach an actual invoice to the outside, in one of those transparent envelopes |
| 10:32.34 | Gnarfoz | massdrop fucks that up almost every time. some times they glue a packing list to the outside, sometimes even including prices, but that's not good enough for our customs office |
| 10:33.02 | quiescens | o.o |
| 10:33.04 | wink | yeah well |
| 10:33.12 | wink | I just avoid buying outside the EU :P |
| 10:33.21 | Gnarfoz | that's the easy way to deal with that |
| 10:33.25 | wink | exactly. |
| 10:33.38 | wink | in ~2001 I think we paid price of goods == customs |
| 10:33.42 | wink | that told me a lesson |
| 10:33.52 | Gnarfoz | hm? |
| 10:33.55 | wink | ordered some Firefox shirts from the USA |
| 10:34.05 | wink | and in the end it cost twice a smuchas expected |
| 10:34.08 | Gnarfoz | I don't think the rules have changed significantly in my lifetime |
| 10:34.09 | wink | because something went wrong |
| 10:34.18 | wink | well.. I don't remember the details |
| 10:34.25 | wink | just my surprise and rage :) |
| 10:34.26 | Gnarfoz | speaking of which, I'm still confused why I paid so little EUSt on my Planck |
| 10:34.36 | Gnarfoz | I think the customs guy might have done me a solid |
| 10:34.37 | wink | especially because the damn shirt is twice as big as advertised |
| 10:34.46 | wink | that day I also learnt about what XXL means in the US |
| 10:34.50 | Gnarfoz | it was only half of what I expected it to be |
| 10:35.26 | Gnarfoz | (exactly half, so probably not a coincidence) |
| 10:59.14 | quiescens | o.o |
| 11:01.57 | Fisker | also wink in most civilised countries whether you pay VAT is determined by the price of the product you're importing but the VAT is going to be for the whole amount including shipping |
| 11:02.20 | wink | I see |
| 11:02.33 | wink | I wouldn't call .de civilized though |
| 11:02.38 | wink | bureaucratic, yes |
| 11:02.39 | Fisker | So if you have to pay taxes when the value exceeds 20⬠you don't pay VAT if it's 10⬠+ 10⬠shipping, but if it's 20⬠+ 10⬠shipping you pay 30⬠VAT |
| 11:02.54 | Fisker | Well VAT of 30⬠|
| 11:02.56 | Gnarfoz | well, if they follow .de customs protocol correctly, I don't think you pay VAT on the shipping part |
| 11:03.05 | wink | VAT is this madness? |
| 11:03.11 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. if they attach the actual invoice on the outside) |
| 11:03.26 | Fisker | That's usually not how laws work |
| 11:03.37 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 11:04.57 | Fisker | Doesn't it sound silly to you that they would have one VAT rate if the label was put on in one way, but another if you didn't? |
| 11:05.06 | Fisker | in another way* |
| 11:05.12 | Gnarfoz | no, that's not what I meant |
| 11:05.24 | Gnarfoz | if they put the label on, you get the package and an invoice for the taxes |
| 11:05.37 | Gnarfoz | vs. if they don't you have to go there, get it, and they determine what you pay there |
| 11:05.46 | Gnarfoz | sorry, I was mixing different issues |
| 11:06.12 | Fisker | ah yeah |
| 11:06.31 | Gnarfoz | and you're right, our customs office says that the amount they go by is the one I paid to get the item, regardless of if that amount includes shipping |
| 11:06.52 | Gnarfoz | wait no |
| 11:06.53 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 11:07.01 | Gnarfoz | you're not right |
| 11:07.23 | Gnarfoz | the 22⬠and 150⬠caps are also determined that way |
| 11:07.35 | dieck | wink: http://www.zoll.de/DE/Fachthemen/Zoelle/Zollbefreiungen/Aussertarifliche-Zollbefreiung/Sendungen-mit-geringem-Wert/sendungen-mit-geringem-wert_node.html -- to determine whether nothing, turnaround or turnaround and customs apply at all, the PAYED amount of money is used. |
| 11:07.45 | dieck | ah, Gnarfoz beat me there |
| 11:07.49 | Gnarfoz | so 3⬠item with 20⬠shipping: you're paying VAT |
| 11:08.33 | Gnarfoz | (and 3⬠item with 148⬠shipping... you're paying VAT and customs, if that item has customs on it) |
| 11:09.32 | Gnarfoz | dieck: at least our customs office has a website that understandably explains this, these days... having to trust others on shit like this is annoying |
| 11:09.56 | Phixion | hmm my most recent MD went very well |
| 11:09.56 | Phixion | no drive to customs etc |
| 11:10.01 | Phixion | DHL billed it |
| 11:10.07 | Phixion | 12,45,- |
| 11:10.14 | Phixion | 12,45eur |
| 11:10.15 | Gnarfoz | that's how it's supposed to be |
| 11:10.22 | Fisker | I see |
| 11:10.25 | Phixion | it's never been like this before |
| 11:10.29 | Phixion | _never_ |
| 11:10.33 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's a rarity for me with MD |
| 11:10.41 | Gnarfoz | or anyone, really |
| 11:11.09 | Semlar | this is exactly how america got started |
| 11:11.34 | Phixion | :O |
| 11:11.53 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: for very loose definitions of "exactly" |
| 11:12.00 | Semlar | well |
| 11:12.05 | Gnarfoz | also I think america was started by the "Tectonic Plates" movement |
| 11:12.09 | Semlar | i didn't pay a whole lot of attention in history class |
| 11:12.11 | Gnarfoz | (hurr durr pun) |
| 11:13.00 | Semlar | but i'm pretty sure people were tired of paying the VAT tax on their amazon prime shipments so they sailed to america and killed all the indians and set up a new amazon warehouse |
| 11:13.25 | Semlar | at least that's what i got out of it |
| 11:15.42 | Semlar | i've had things shipped from china for free, it just takes a month to get here |
| 11:15.55 | wink | you can always be lucky |
| 11:16.01 | Semlar | i have no idea how that even works |
| 11:16.12 | Semlar | because it seems like the shipping costs would be more than the item |
| 11:17.59 | Gnarfoz | for reasons beyond anyone's understanding, shipping by sea is cheap as fuck |
| 11:18.06 | Gnarfoz | probably volume making up for cost |
| 11:18.20 | Gnarfoz | also, it's useless, smelly, mumbling coworker's last day. I'm so happy. |
| 11:22.32 | Semlar | is he getting shipped to china? |
| 11:24.00 | Gnarfoz | Russia, if anything |
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| 12:28.35 | nevcairiel | now now Gnarfoz, be nice |
| 12:28.57 | nevcairiel | and yes sea shipping is cheap because its massive volume, even if it takes 2 weeks |
| 12:34.18 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: no thanks, that guy was just so not worth it >_> |
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| 14:11.40 | Megalon | *foz nevcairiel Stanzilla sb: http://i.imgur.com/LWOLX5r.jpg |
| 14:11.58 | Megalon | that's onion level news lol |
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| 14:28.40 | Gnarfoz | the hell' |
| 14:28.55 | Gnarfoz | Hackschnitzel are for eating! |
| 14:31.56 | Phixion | :o |
| 14:32.39 | Phixion | hackschnitzel |
| 14:32.41 | Phixion | I want one |
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| 14:42.15 | nevcairiel | interestingly googling for hackschnitzel does not show food on the first page |
| 14:42.52 | nevcairiel | so apparently noone uses it for that =p |
| 14:44.11 | silentium | https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackschnitzel guten Appetit! |
| 14:44.43 | Stanzilla | yeah, never heard of something to eat with that name |
| 14:44.57 | nevcairiel | hacksteak on the other hand |
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| 17:22.18 | Megalon | hacks Phixion a schnitzel |
| 17:30.46 | Gnarfoz | Poor Rischerion guy, not privy (privvy?) to our IRC shenanigans |
| 17:30.58 | nevcairiel | who? |
| 17:31.09 | Gnarfoz | Exactly |
| 17:31.46 | Ressy | lmao |
| 17:31.52 | Ressy | Ex-Blizzard employee, now at Curse |
| 17:31.53 | Gnarfoz | I'm not even sure why I follow him, what did he do before joining Curse, Ressy? |
| 17:32.01 | Gnarfoz | Ah, that's what I thought |
| 17:32.04 | Ressy | :) |
| 17:33.00 | Gnarfoz | Time to continue binging Agents of SHIELD |
| 17:33.04 | wink | what did I miss? |
| 17:33.07 | nevcairiel | going from blizzard to curse seems like a downgrade |
| 17:33.16 | wink | why? |
| 17:33.18 | wink | don |
| 17:33.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: hah, that was on my mind, too |
| 17:33.30 | wink | don't you think there are shitty jobs at blizzard? :P |
| 17:33.33 | Ressy | Curse is.. competitive. ;) |
| 17:33.38 | wink | maybe Curse doesn't have crunchtime |
| 17:33.42 | Ressy | lmao |
| 17:33.44 | wink | :P |
| 17:33.50 | wink | they never get stuff released |
| 17:33.51 | Ressy | Curse had a massive crunch a few weeks back to make a deadline. |
| 17:33.54 | wink | point proven :D |
| 17:33.57 | Ressy | total rewrite. |
| 17:33.59 | Gnarfoz | If I read his tweets correctly, they do |
| 17:34.04 | Ressy | people were doing like 100hrs a week |
| 17:34.06 | Ressy | insanity |
| 17:34.19 | Gnarfoz | Good thing that's illegal here, phew |
| 17:34.22 | wink | haha |
| 17:35.06 | Gnarfoz | Also time to try these vegetable chips |
| 17:35.06 | wink | I'm a bad person I think |
| 17:35.21 | wink | In over 15 years of work I never did more than 60h |
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| 17:35.54 | Ressy | Not like they're not getting paid for the extra time. |
| 17:36.05 | Gnarfoz | That's besides the point. |
| 17:36.42 | wink | they probably aren't |
| 17:36.54 | wink | not in ameanignful way |
| 17:36.58 | Gnarfoz | Sweet potatoes, beets?, and whatever Pastinaken are |
| 17:37.20 | nevcairiel | overtime is quite strictly regulated by law here, and its good that way |
| 17:37.30 | nevcairiel | 100h a week is painful, and the law recognizes that by making it illegal =p |
| 17:37.33 | wink | agreed, except for the break times |
| 17:37.43 | Gnarfoz | Overtime and regular time |
| 17:38.21 | Gnarfoz | Break times are just rest periods' smaller siblings |
| 17:38.42 | wink | imagine how Silicon valley would go to shits with German worker protection laws :P |
| 17:39.06 | Gnarfoz | Yeah |
| 17:39.37 | Gnarfoz | Silicon Valley to Germany is like China to Silicon Valley |
| 17:39.37 | Megalon | well, if you have people lined up to sacrifice their health |
| 17:40.11 | Gnarfoz | They exploit the young and willing |
| 17:40.24 | wink | I prefer to sacrifice my health with bad food, bad sitting habits and reading bad irc channels |
| 17:40.36 | Gnarfoz | Look at Torhal, he knew what's up and opted out |
| 17:40.46 | Gnarfoz | wink: particularly the latter |
| 17:40.48 | wink | he's not so young though I thought :P |
| 17:41.09 | Megalon | Torhal just took his rollator and was like "fuck this shit" |
| 17:41.10 | Gnarfoz | wink: exactly, that's why he didn't move there |
| 17:41.14 | wink | then again what is young |
| 17:41.25 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: no, that's Unkle you're thinking of |
| 17:41.27 | wink | maybe I'm too old for the valley already :) |
| 17:41.45 | Megalon | i just watch the show |
| 17:41.52 | Megalon | <3 |
| 17:41.53 | wink | ah well, you can't have everything |
| 17:42.12 | wink | spare time and enjoying life or a six figure salary and 100h :P |
| 17:42.44 | Gnarfoz | Well, those 6 figure salaries have to pay for a high cost of living, top |
| 17:42.48 | Gnarfoz | *too |
| 17:42.54 | wink | I know, but it's still more |
| 17:43.17 | wink | I don't know a single developer in the valley who has less left after taxes than I do. |
| 17:43.30 | wink | then again I don't know THAT many incl. salary |
| 17:43.30 | Gnarfoz | I'm not entirely convinced that's the case, if you pay for all the things our social system provides |
| 17:43.50 | wink | even if I take 1k USD/mo for health insurance |
| 17:44.01 | wink | and forget about the real social security |
| 17:44.05 | wink | we won't get pensions ;) |
| 17:44.08 | wink | so it's just paying, no benefitr |
| 17:44.14 | Gnarfoz | I guess since many of those things are not mandatory there, you end up with more |
| 17:44.33 | wink | I'm not saying they have twice as much elft over |
| 17:44.39 | wink | but it should be more |
| 17:44.42 | Gnarfoz | That's why you should do more than just regular Rentenkasse |
| 17:44.42 | Megalon | elftor? |
| 17:44.48 | wink | especially if they are not entry level |
| 17:45.15 | Gnarfoz | Yeah, I'd hope it's more if they're working more than twice the hours |
| 17:45.24 | wink | ah well, I don't care :P |
| 17:45.41 | wink | I'm just forseeing myself not staying very long if I ever join an American company |
| 17:45.46 | Gnarfoz | We're all fucked either way, no matter where we live |
| 17:45.48 | Ressy | Not like they usually work that many hours. |
| 17:45.52 | wink | might be the first time being fired for refusing to work |
| 17:46.22 | Gnarfoz | Lots of stuff refuses to work around here, and yet, nobody has set it on fire, yet |
| 17:46.26 | wink | Ressy: they absolutely work *more* in general. not saying it's 100 - but the "roughly 40h/week + 30 days of vacation".. is hard to beat |
| 17:46.56 | Gnarfoz | Particularly vacation is way better different |
| 17:47.05 | Gnarfoz | -better |
| 17:47.07 | wink | I think one guy I know averages on 45h/week and that's like the best case I know |
| 17:47.15 | Gnarfoz | SwiftKey is killing me tonight |
| 17:47.27 | wink | killing you softly? |
| 17:47.32 | wink | or swiftly |
| 17:47.34 | Gnarfoz | Swiftly |
| 17:47.39 | Gnarfoz | Damn |
| 17:47.46 | Ressy | SwiftKey is being annoying lately for me too. |
| 17:47.53 | Ressy | constant errors |
| 17:48.08 | Gnarfoz | Well, I recommend unlearning some words. |
| 17:48.09 | wink | I bet I knew what that even was at some point in time. |
| 17:48.19 | wink | the swipe android keyboard? |
| 17:48.28 | Gnarfoz | No |
| 17:48.35 | Gnarfoz | Swype is a competitor |
| 17:49.05 | Gnarfoz | Because most of the time the wrong suggestions are just something you typed in yourself and it remembered, Ressy |
| 17:49.09 | wink | I hate typing on my phone |
| 17:49.16 | wink | why would I try to improve the experience? |
| 17:49.20 | Gnarfoz | SwiftKey makes phone typing fun |
| 17:49.20 | wink | then I have nothing left to hate |
| 17:49.22 | wink | :< |
| 17:49.31 | Ressy | Gnarfoz: No it recommends other words. |
| 17:49.33 | Ressy | Not nonsense |
| 17:49.49 | Gnarfoz | Multiple languages enabled? |
| 17:49.56 | Ressy | no |
| 17:50.10 | Gnarfoz | Hm. Maybe just reset it entirely |
| 17:50.45 | Gnarfoz | I use enUS + enGB + deDE at the same time and it still works very well |
| 17:51.19 | Gnarfoz | Maybe someone is feeding it bad data behind your back (^_-) |
| 17:51.43 | wink | lol |
| 17:51.50 | Gnarfoz | Or you have it coupled via SwiftKey Cloud with, for example, a tablet |
| 17:52.01 | Gnarfoz | And that's used by someone else |
| 17:52.30 | Gnarfoz | That's a quick way to fill the predictions with stuff you don't expect, I'm sure |
| 17:53.49 | Gnarfoz | As long as it's fast enough to IRC with you guys, it's working fine :3 |
| 17:54.49 | Ressy | None. It just likes suggesting "lime" instead of "like" all the time. |
| 17:54.51 | Ressy | stuff like that |
| 17:55.12 | Gnarfoz | Ah, you should look at your typing heat map |
| 17:55.30 | Gnarfoz | It's thinking you wanted to press a different nearby key |
| 17:55.33 | Ressy | I don't actually type. |
| 17:55.35 | wink | limeliness. |
| 17:55.36 | Ressy | I swype. |
| 17:55.37 | wink | limability |
| 17:55.45 | wink | not unlime |
| 17:55.47 | wink | I lime that! |
| 17:55.50 | Gnarfoz | Same thing |
| 17:56.09 | wink | If swype gives you limes... |
| 17:56.12 | Gnarfoz | Also, according to their marketing, you "flow" |
| 17:56.14 | wink | shows himself out |
| 17:56.31 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:56.45 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure you can reset the key offset compensation without resetting everything else |
| 17:56.49 | Kaelten | we have a few blizzard alumni here nevcairiel |
| 17:56.55 | Ressy | :) |
| 17:56.58 | Ressy | hais Kaelten |
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| 17:57.39 | Kaelten | we did a two month crunch it was tough but curseapp is out now |
| 17:57.44 | Gnarfoz | (Also, I'm not sure *that* gets synced.) |
| 17:58.08 | nevcairiel | two month at 100h a week? doesnt that kill a peron? |
| 17:58.30 | Gnarfoz | I guess you could try looking at the heat map, taking a screenshot, then wiping SwiftKey's data from Android |
| 17:58.52 | Ressy | heat map shows everything equally. |
| 17:58.55 | Ressy | lmao |
| 17:58.57 | Gnarfoz | And check if you get a fresh, blank heat map from that |
| 17:59.26 | Gnarfoz | At this point, I think you got a fake SwiftKey from eBay |
| 17:59.28 | wink | Ressy: maybe you should try typing e,r,n,s lime every other person :P |
| 17:59.35 | wink | *more |
| 17:59.41 | Ressy | funny Gnarfoz |
| 17:59.55 | Gnarfoz | I know |
| 18:01.01 | wink | play store shows "installed" |
| 18:01.09 | wink | so apparently I had it installed at some time in the past |
| 18:01.36 | Gnarfoz | It should only show installed if it's installed at the moment, shouldn't it? |
| 18:01.42 | Gnarfoz | https://goo.gl/photos/seHxHpKZpEhyAF148 |
| 18:01.47 | wink | I agree |
| 18:01.52 | wink | maybe on the tablet I never use |
| 18:02.32 | wink | or maybe I just got the fake play store |
| 18:02.37 | Gnarfoz | Some letters are quite a bit off-center |
| 18:02.41 | wink | imho it always behaves in a weird way |
| 18:11.50 | wink | argh, CCP is so bad |
| 18:12.01 | wink | the "buy game time" link goes to new account creation |
| 18:12.08 | wink | the "affiliate program" link is 404 |
| 18:12.27 | wink | whenever you find a link you better bookmark it because you're never gonna find it again on the website |
| 18:29.49 | Stanzilla | The Iron Horde must be stoppedâand the time to strike is now! Weâve granted your account* a FREE digital copy of World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor along with a Level 90 Character Boost and 7 days of FREE game time to get you straight into the action. |
| 18:29.50 | Stanzilla | These offers expire on May 16, 2016 at 11:59:59 CEST, so act quickly before this portal to Draenor closes.** |
| 18:29.51 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 18:38.33 | quiescens | don't do it stan |
| 18:38.48 | quiescens | o.o |
| 18:47.31 | Megalon | MAKE IT SO! |
| 18:48.38 | Kesava | Qapla! |
| 18:53.01 | Megalon | wappla! |
| 19:00.58 | Kesava | i will now sit on the overwatch login screen for 3 days. |
| 19:11.24 | Megalon | you are a real fan |
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| 19:59.53 | Stanzilla | wwizard worst starter set confirmed |
| 20:02.31 | Semlar | tries to calm stanzilla down |
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| 20:11.05 | Megalon | cries to talm Semlar down |
| 20:13.20 | Semlar | gives megalon a cookie |
| 20:17.23 | Megalon | yay |
| 20:17.31 | Megalon | i'll eat it after my kornspitzs! |
| 20:20.51 | Semlar | sounds vile |
| 20:21.44 | Semlar | do i want to know what a kornspitz is |
| 20:22.30 | Megalon | just google for pics :P |
| 20:22.40 | Semlar | ._. |
| 20:22.41 | Megalon | and imagine some salame in the middle :P |
| 20:22.53 | Megalon | salami |
| 20:23.28 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/dcrhRd2.jpg |
| 20:23.42 | znf | So much for, "hey, maybe I'll play AoE 2: HD since I bought it ages ago" |
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| 21:23.26 | znf | Wasn't there suppose to be a re-master of DS9 and Voyage on Blu-Ray? |
| 22:33.31 | Kesava | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:33.38 | Kesava | there possibly will be maybe |
| 22:34.01 | nevcairiel | DS9 would be nice, voyager is mostly meh |
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