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00:10.49silentiumwhoops
00:16.13znfWhat's catc
00:17.44silentiumalias catc='source-highlight -f esc -i'
00:18.30znfMeh
00:19.09harlonMäh
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00:21.09Megalonwhoopdeedoo
00:25.03StanzillaGnarfoz: http://www.overking.com/news/march-8-overwatch-patch?from=%2F
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00:57.54StanzillaGnarfoz: http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20742695178
02:10.55znfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbu2_Dh5Qmk
02:10.56znfHeh
02:34.50nebulaStanzilla: the only thing they're going to do to li ming is nerf structure damage
02:35.14Stanzillamaybe
02:35.21Stanzillabut that would be a ghetto fix
02:35.26Stanzillasince other champs can still do it
02:35.43Stanzillawell sniping is a shitty trend started with her but now everyone does it
02:35.50nebulawhat? li ming can kill the towers at lv1 in ~30 seconds
02:35.58nebulaeverything else about her is fine
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07:12.25StanzillaI meant that other heroes have started doing it, too
07:24.16Kalrothso the latest nvidia drivers are killing computers again
07:24.24Kalrothwhyyy Fisker
07:24.28Stanzillathe one before latest actually
07:26.11Kalrothsupposedly the hotfix is still causing issue
07:27.31StanzillaI thought they investigated it's caused by the latest win10 updates
07:27.33Stanzillabut dunno
07:27.41Megalongood thing my card is so fucking old it doesn't even give me latest drivers
07:27.42Megalon8)
07:30.23FiskerAny sauce on that Stanzilla ?
07:31.04Stanzillahttps://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/48pae4/random_mouse_lagging_and_beeping/
07:31.22Stanzillaor something like that
07:31.48Stanzillahttps://forums.geforce.com/default/board/33/
07:31.50Stanzillapick a random thread
07:34.38Stanzillahttp://i.imgur.com/98O5VNx.png fuck you windows
07:35.25Megalonreboots Stanzilla's pending reboot
08:12.17Stanzillahttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QmNUrkphtqI/Vt-vepYAFgI/AAAAAAACvxE/vK1fQZgpHs0/w530-h635-p-rw/16%2B-%2B1
08:12.18Stanzillalol'd
08:20.00FiskerThat's racist Stanzilla
08:22.49Stanzillanop
08:28.24Stanzillagermans: https://twitter.com/laura_nobilis/status/707477648092438528/photo/1
08:28.34TorhalHey Stanzilla
08:28.38TorhalCurrent Version: Textual 6.0.0-git (Git Reference: 160309.04-98-g99a8c2c-devid)
08:28.41Torhal>.>
08:28.45Stanzillagrats?
08:28.54TorhalTeh betaz.
08:29.00Stanzillay u doin dis
08:29.08Torhal¯\_(ツ)_/¯
08:30.39Stanzillaany cool new features in it?
08:31.06TorhalUsing WebKit2 now, so it's much faster due to having the multiple process thinger.
08:31.27Stanzillaok
08:31.29TorhalOther than that? Not really.
08:31.49TorhalLoading is snappy as hell since the main process doesn't have to wait on all the channel views to load anymore.
08:38.08Stanzillathat sounds nice indeed
08:40.53StanzillaTorhal: textual is in obj-c right?
08:41.08TorhalYah
08:43.06Stanzillashould create an issue with "rewrite in swift pls"
08:43.08Stanzillaho ho
08:43.28TorhalHeh. He actually said if he went that route he'd start over from scratch.
08:43.41Stanzillaprobably better
08:44.03Stanzillathere's probably still lots of old limechat in there
08:44.25TorhalProbably.
09:47.06Gnarfozone of you gurus know why Google hasn't optimized V8 for ARM to the levels Apple has optimized JavaScriptCore?
09:47.36Gnarfozi.e. how long will we have to endure Apple being "on top" of canned browser benchmarks because their engine is better optimized?
09:49.01winkeasy answer: because Google doesn't care
09:49.22winkif they would care, there wouldn't be an Android ecosystem where half the world is still on 2.x
09:49.48Kalroththey do care now though, better later than never!
09:50.23Kalroththe problem with android <4.x is that the vendors are responsible for updating android
09:50.31Kalrothand they dont care once a product has been shipped
09:50.58winkKalroth: oh and it is not Google's fault for giving that into the vendors' hands? :)
09:51.06Kalrothit is
09:51.21Kalrothhence they're changing that now
09:51.29winkjust sayin. it's a mess. and my only reason to stick to Androiud is basically that I don't want an Apple device
09:51.32winkand there's no choice
09:51.40winkmy fanboy-ism has died 99%
09:51.56Kalrothbut there's more to it than that, it's also the fact that there's a bazillion different ARM processors out there
09:51.59winkJolla was not worth it
09:52.08Kalrothapple only have to support their own hardware, which is very limited
09:52.08winksure, I never said it's easy
09:52.35winkbut Google either did not think a few things through. or it's just a too hard problem to tackle
09:52.39Kalrothi'm saying it's an nearly impossible task
09:52.55winkso we agree. Everything sucks and life is miserable :)
09:53.04winkhands Kalroth a cookie.
09:53.04Kalrothunless they want to whitelist vendors, which sucks too
09:53.24Kalroththen i couldn't get cheap phones from chinese companies!
09:54.40winkhehe
09:55.16Gnarfoznot an option anyway, they suck at providing model variations that work with the appropriate frequencies :\
09:55.37Kalrothsays the german with the odd infrastructure
09:55.56Gnarfoz"odd"
09:55.59Kalrothodd!
09:56.18Gnarfozmore like we managed to rip that spectrum from the cold dead hands of...
09:56.23GnarfozI don't know who
09:56.32Gnarfozprobably TV or some bs
09:57.06Kalrothyou do have band 7 at all telecoms in germany, pretty sure band 7 is supported by most chinese phones
09:57.19Kalrothbut it can be an area thing
09:57.22winkoh, speaking of android. anyone ever experienced this:
09:57.53winksince I was (not data, only tel) roaming and came back, I constantly see the little R on my 3G taskbar icon
09:58.12winkI am back in Germany (o2) and sometimnes have 'o2 DE' and sometimes 'o2 DE+'
09:58.17winkand sometimes that R for roaming
09:58.23GnarfozKalroth: having one of 3 used bands is not good.
09:58.31winkalready tried readjusting the preferred cellphone network
09:58.33winkbut it's werid
09:58.40Gnarfozwink: just disable roaming? that shouldn't show
09:59.02Kalrothit also shows R when you're using a mast that isn't run by your ISP, but still have access to (in my experience)
09:59.11KalrothGnarfoz, the phone i bought has "LTE: 800/1800/2100/2600MHz"
09:59.16Gnarfozsure, but it shouldn't show in his situation
09:59.27Kalrothand germany is 800/1800/2600 last i checked
09:59.28GnarfozKalroth: and no, you're misinformed, 2 out of 3 carriers have the majority of their LTE coverage in band 20
09:59.32winkGnarfoz: well, eplus/o2 maybe?
09:59.48Gnarfozwink: yes. it still shouldn't show "R"
09:59.50winkKalroth: that's a good point. but why only since I came back :D
10:00.00winkGnarfoz: exactly :P
10:00.03Kalrothwink, dunno, time to buyt a new phone!
10:00.08wink:(
10:00.24GnarfozKalroth: just because "someone uses it in Germany" doesn't mean it's usable. you ignore both which carrier uses what and where they use what
10:00.46Gnarfozonly Deutsche Telekom makes widespread use of 1800 (whichever band that is... 3?)
10:00.48KalrothGnarfoz, huh?
10:01.04GnarfozVodafone and o2 have the majority of their LTE coverage in band 20
10:01.04Kalrothhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks_in_Europe
10:01.15Gnarfozthat doesn't list WHERE they use that, argh :D
10:02.50Gnarfozsadly, they don't provide useful maps anymore.
10:03.02GnarfozVodafone and T-Mobile used to, o2 never did
10:03.15Gnarfoz(useful = shows which frequencies are used where)
10:03.25Gnarfozthere's only older screenshots of it, but they do show a clear trend
10:07.23Stanzillanebula: did you see? https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/49k7wl/tracer_hero_details_from_game_informer_digital/
10:09.11StanzillaGnarfoz: you should try a CAF browser
10:09.33Stanzillathose are optimized for snapdragons
10:10.32Gnarfozmeaning what
10:10.57Gnarfozalso, I won't have a Snapdragon for much longer, if o2 can get their shit together. :D
10:12.26Stanzillaare you really buying that crap :<
10:12.46StanzillaGnarfoz: https://www.codeaurora.org/projects/all-active-projects/chromium-browser-snapdragon
10:15.46nevcairielother than improving benchmarks, those are not likely to actually change your day to day feeling =p
10:17.02Stanzilladid you test it?
10:18.15nevcairielmy phone is exynos, but i know enough about software to make educated guesses =p
10:19.37GnarfozI'm not complaining about Chrome performance 
10:19.44Gnarfozjust dumb canned benchmark numbers 
10:20.03Gnarfozthey are unlikely to have a meaningful impact on actual use
10:21.07GnarfozStanzilla: well, since the 820 version is not available and I'm getting fed up with the broken bits of my S4... and I'm not really inclined to wait another year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
10:21.31nevcairielthats a problem with those benchmarks (or any standardized benchmarks),  some vendors just optimize for them to get a subjective advantage
10:21.51Gnarfozalso, it seems that none of the apps that are supposed to show which frequency band I'm currently on work
10:21.53nevcairielif the cpu is really any faster is not something it really tells you
10:23.24Gnarfozoh, I found the Vodafone map that still offers the frequency selector
10:23.26Gnarfozhttp://www.vodafone.de/privat/hilfe-support/detail-ansicht-netzabdeckung.html Kalroth
10:23.47Gnarfozswitch between band 7/2600 and 20/800 and despair :D
10:24.12Gnarfozfrom what is publicly known, o2 is similar, mostly 800 and some little spots with 2600 and 1800
10:24.27Gnarfozonly T-Mobile makes good use of 3/1800
10:39.41Kalroth20/800 seems pretty popular
10:45.19Gnarfozit apparently has good radio properties
10:45.21wink20/20 would roam again
10:45.35Gnarfozwink: well, are you still roaming? ^^ did you disable (data) roaming?
10:45.44winkGnarfoz: got sidetracked by work
10:45.52winkright now I have an E
10:45.53winkno 3G
10:46.04winkand data roaming was disabled all the time
10:46.50winknot sure how to disable non-data roaming
10:47.20winkeven if you select one cellular network and not auto, afaik when in a foreign country the roaming partner of your network will be pushed
10:47.27winkprobably depending on a SIM identifier.
10:47.38winknot something I ever investigated
10:47.57winkmaybe I should jsut reboot the phone :P
10:48.29Gnarfozsounds like the least painful thing to try ^^
10:48.52winkdepending on how much you trust this soft-off
10:49.07winkwhich in itself coudl be only a rumoir and/or depending on android version
10:49.20winkif 'reboot' is a soft reboot and/or shutdown is a real one.
10:49.32winktoo lazy to pry it open and remove battery for now :P
10:49.42winkprobably just a ui glitch anyway
10:49.44winkI hate technology
10:49.49Gnarfoz10 sec power button should always be a full reboot
10:49.58Gnarfoz... of the Android system, that is
10:50.10Gnarfozyou have no chance to know what the baseband does, which has its own separate processor
10:50.22Gnarfozhttp://android.stackexchange.com/questions/24137/disabling-all-roaming apparently, you can't disable voice roaming
10:50.33winkoh thanks
10:50.43winkbtw, 10s does nothing. stays on the popup screen
10:50.51winkthat says: shutdown/reboot/airplane
10:51.38StanzillaI wish I had that
10:51.47Stanzillanexii only have "shutdown"
10:51.55Gnarfoznexii is wrong btw
10:51.59StanzillaI know
10:52.02winkyou're probably still better off
10:52.07winkI'm just cheap
10:52.10Gnarfozholding the power button for 10 seconds does nothing? weirdo device! :D
10:52.18Stanzillawhat do I say
10:52.24StanzillaI buy Fisker's used stuff
10:52.28winkoh. ok
10:52.35winkwell, with enough sanitary wipes
10:52.45GnarfozI guess Fisker's devices stay nexii forever
10:52.47Stanzillahe said his cat peed on it once
10:52.49Gnarfozonce he has touched them
10:53.00wink3G R
10:53.01winkdamn
10:53.04winkdid not help
10:53.06Stanzillawhich explains why my cat is so fond of it sometimes
10:53.20Gnarfozwink: and your network is on... auto? o2? e+?
10:53.35winkGnarfoz: "O2 - DE" now. manually set
10:53.38winkbut was the same with auto
10:53.46winkwhen iut was "O2 - DE+" sometimes
10:56.18winkhahaah, I love forums
10:56.30wink>> Die Lösung ist eine neue Karte zu bestellen, da diese wohl augenscheinlich die Ausschneideaktion nicht unbeschadet überlebt hat.
10:56.30wink> Am Ausschneiden wirds aber wohl auch nicht liegen, das das Roamingsymbol angezeigt wird.
10:56.51Stanzilla"Doch."
10:57.27winkhttp://www.android-hilfe.de/thema/informationen-zur-netzzusammenlegung-o2-und-eplus-ab-februar-16-umstellung-von-eplus-kunden-zu-o2.689878/
10:57.44winkDAS PROBLEM: Einige Smartphones haben damit ein Problem und erkennen dieses dritte Netz als Roamingnetz (wird als "R" in der Statusleiste angezeigt)
10:57.49winkso what I thought
10:58.03winkmaybe they just changed something here in munich in the ~3 weeks I was gone
10:59.11winkwho knows. maybe I'll just call them
10:59.13winkthanks all
11:05.25Gnarfozmh. well
11:05.40Fiskerwtf Stanzilla
11:05.42GnarfozI only have "o2 - de" or "o2 - de+", never roaming
11:05.53winkhttps://hilfe.o2online.de/docs/DOC-2562?q=roaming
11:05.57winkthink it's a model thing
11:06.08winkDies ist abhängig von Ihrem verwendeten Endgerät und tritt nur bei einigen wenigen *Modellen auf.
11:36.48nevcairieltl;dr you are using the e-plus network?
11:39.11quiescenso.o
12:02.30Kalrothsehr gut!
12:11.38winkyea
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13:42.35Gnarfoznevcairiel: sure, but like it says: normally that shouldn't show as "roaming", but wink apparently has a phone that does it
13:42.57winko2 calls it national roaming in their FAQs
13:43.24Gnarfozwell, they probably just dug up the old FAQs from when they did the same thing with T-Mobile back in the day before they had their own national network fully built up
13:43.25Gnarfoz:D
13:43.41nevcairieli had that in australia once
13:43.56nevcairieli bought some vodafon sim there for using it locally while on vacation
13:44.06nevcairielin some area we switched to roaming, and we were quite confused
13:44.49quiescensthere are areas that don't have reception with certain carriers but which might have reception with others
13:44.52quiescenso.o
13:45.21nevcairielworked fine once we dared to enable roaming
13:47.06quiescenssometimes they have agreements to use each others' cell towers for areas where a given carrier doesn't have coverage
13:47.47znfI got the g700s, Stanzilla
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13:51.20znfnevcairiel, u haz alpha?
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15:35.19Gnarfozre: "Barclaycard New VISA" thing recently
15:35.26Gnarfozthat's not such a great deal for .de
15:36.02Gnarfoztrue, it's better than the Amazon/LBB VISA, because no 20€ fee
15:36.46Gnarfozbut getting a free DKB-Cash account gets you a free VISA, too, and that one doesn't have any fees when you want to withdraw cash outside of Europe
15:37.24Gnarfozalso they actually give you (a measly) 0.7% p.a. interest if you have a positive balance
16:03.48nevcairielsome of my friends have such a DKB VISA, i have not felt the need to trade in my current one
16:04.15nevcairielalthough i have been thinking about a "tagesgeld" thing somewhere to shuffle my wealth onto
16:36.54FiskerI came Stanzilla
16:36.56Fiskerhttp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Farstechnica.com%2Fgadgets%2F2016%2F03%2Fsurprise-the-android-n-developer-preview-is-out-right-now%2F&oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Farstechnica.com%2Fgadgets%2F2016%2F03%2Fsurprise-the-android-n-developer-preview-is-out-right-now%2F
16:38.08FiskerIf you're interested in trying the Developer Preview, Google is launching the "Android Beta Program" over at g.co/androidbeta. It seems to just be over-the-air delivery of the Developer Preview, while the traditional full images are still available at developer.android.com/preview. Google warns that this preview is "for developers only and not intended for daily use or consumer use."
16:38.09Fiskeroh god
16:41.10Gnarfoznevcairiel: well... good luck finding someone willing to pay you interest of any interesting amount
16:41.29Gnarfozinterest rates are virtually nonexistent these days :|
17:03.40nevcairielGnarfoz: yeah well, 1% > 0%
17:04.12Gnarfozsame for the 20€ annual fee, it's >0€ ^^
17:04.58nevcairielwell like i mentioned the other day, i havent paid it for a long time since i use my card often enough
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17:36.48nevcairielanyone know a handy addon that switches the font of the floating combat text, and only that?
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18:03.03quiescensmoo
18:03.50Gnarfozby "the floating combat text" I assume you mean Blizzard's?
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18:09.05nevcairielyes
18:25.48znfhttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/03/surprise-the-android-n-developer-preview-is-out-right-now/
18:26.08Kalrothsurprise!!
18:26.16quiescensgasp
18:28.31Trela:O
18:29.04TrelaAndroid question: When switching to the task management mode, is it normal for it to take several seconds for the X/close button to appear to be able to close an application?
18:29.15Fiskerold znf
18:29.31Fiskeryou're supposed to swipe them away Trela
18:30.10TrelaBut... My X button!  D:
18:30.42FiskerFuck your X button
18:32.11quiescensharsh o.o
18:32.55FiskerNo specific offense of course
18:33.45TrelaI expect nothing less of the Fisker.
18:36.09FiskerAre you threatening me Trela ?
18:36.23TrelaDon't make me fisk you.
18:36.58FiskerSo you are threatening me
18:38.05Gnarfozwhat X button
18:38.15Gnarfozsounds like some "impure" android
18:38.35Fiskernah
18:38.46FiskerThere's like an X button after like 5-10 seconds if you don't navigate the list I think
18:38.55FiskerWell I know it's there
18:39.06FiskerJust not exactly sure of the circumstances that makes it appear
18:40.37TrelaYeah, I wait for the button to appear because I'm just trying to force kill an application that is being naughty.
18:40.54FiskerYou don't do that there
18:40.59Fiskeryou go into the app list to do that
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19:54.29StanzillaI'm sad
19:54.32Stanzillano N for me :<
19:56.33Fiskerhugs Stanzilla
20:01.34Stanzilla: (
20:04.03FiskerWhat's up?
20:08.29Stanzillalegit sad
20:09.48StanzillaFisker: did you install it?
20:15.44FiskerNope
20:15.55FiskerWaiting for OTA
20:21.49StanzillaFisker: the signup page is 404 for me, or is there another one apart from https://g.co/androidbeta?
20:22.08FiskerNot yet
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21:30.00StanzillaFisker: site works now
21:30.28FiskerI know
21:30.51Fiskerhttp://i.imgur.com/tzsBSXA.png
21:30.57FiskerNo Nexus Player
21:34.56StanzillaI'll be in my sad corner
21:37.48Funkeh`Stanzilla, does .51 solve multi monitor setup problems?
21:37.55Stanzillayes
21:48.26Funkeh`oh, vulkan support
21:48.32Funkeh`no I just need some vulkan games
21:48.35Funkeh`now*
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21:59.16Gnarfozcome back in 2 years
21:59.31Stanzillatalos principle Funkeh`
22:00.02Funkeh`hoping more for valve to make the inevitable source 2 push on their current games
22:00.28Gnarfozand then?
22:00.29Stanzilladoto2 first probably
22:00.30Gnarfozmiracles?
22:01.09Funkeh`well at this point anything is better than dx9
22:01.23Gnarfozthat's why we have d3d11 and 12
22:01.26nevcairielblizzard is spamming the blue tracker with fresh feedback threads again :(
22:01.41nevcairielshould rather post feedback instead of empty feedback threads!
22:01.47Funkeh`I don't think source support 11 and 12
22:01.56Funkeh`or 10 for that matter
22:02.19nevcairiel10 is barely worht using anyway
22:11.58Phixionfound znf https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/561041-980ti-darwin-awards-help/
22:12.02Phixion(sorry)
22:12.35nevcairieldid he start with the darwin award topic or did he edit that in later is the big question
22:13.20Phixionyeah
22:18.45Funkeh`he snapped it in half afterwards
22:18.57Funkeh`I think he might need some therapy
22:19.09Funkeh`it's the fucking hulk
22:19.28nevcairielhe broke a $700 piece of hardware with a drill, some frustration might be expected
22:24.43StanzillaFisker: https://plus.google.com/+ArtemRussakovskii/posts/CjGpcdi2Af1
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23:05.37znfAlexandra invites you to check out the Amazon App and get $5 (Use my referral link to get a $5 coupon at Amazon for signing into the Amazon App the first time: https://amazon.com/mpr?referralcode=BOGDA6809N&ref_=mpr_tr_ss)
23:05.45znfWait
23:05.54znfWho the fuck is Alexandra
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23:35.42PrimerObviously some hot chick
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