IRC log for #wowace on 20160216

`00:56.01`	`Stanzilla`	`nevcairiel: "but be aware there is another issue in the server for months now, someone is using the server has a udp DOS zombie, latest report we have gotten of UDP DOS with destination port 137 (Netbios) made by one of our machines running debian 8 and ts3 only."`
`00:56.04`	`Stanzilla`	`seee :D`
`01:24.47`	`Stanzilla`	`nebula: ping`
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`02:59.41`	`nebula`	`Stanzilla: pong`
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`03:20.14`	`quiescens`	`o.o`
`03:24.41`	`quiescens`	`nerf stanzilla`
`03:28.34`	`Semlar`	`hands quiescens a nerf bat`
`03:28.49`	`quiescens`	`bats Semlar`
`03:28.57`	`Semlar`	`dies`
`03:30.23`	`quiescens`	`\o/`
`03:30.59`	`Semlar`	`:(`
`03:31.44`	`quiescens`	`):`
`03:38.14`	`Semlar`	`y u do dis`
`03:56.53`	`Fisker`	`I'm gonna miss people`
`04:02.15`	`Fisker`	`Cold levels brr`
`04:10.15`	`Semlar`	`bur`
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`07:25.59`	`znf`	`DHL is asking me for customs tax + comision for a product I ordered from hong kong`
`07:26.07`	`znf`	`custom taxes = 33 RON`
`07:26.19`	`znf`	`DHL Commision = 108 RON`
`07:36.01`	`znf`	`that's 141 RON`
`07:36.20`	`znf`	`the product was ~80 USD (though the customs declaration is $40 from the chinese seller)`
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`07:54.20`	`bluspacecow`	`http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_fill,h_452,w_567/t_mp_quality/screen-shot-2015-01-09-at-7-41-58-pm-check-out-what-ron-weasley-has-been-doing-since-harry-potter-png-218042/check-out-what-ron-weasley-has-been-doing-since-harry-potter-218042.jpg`
`07:54.24`	`bluspacecow`	`odd currency`
`07:54.28`	`bluspacecow`	`trading in Rons`
`07:54.52`	`Megalon`	`soulless currency :<`
`07:55.34`	`bluspacecow`	`i now have this image of a wallet full of little ron weasleys`
`08:02.08`	`Megalon`	`i know which one is inside znf's wallet`
`08:02.09`	`Megalon`	`https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/31/28/37/3128375183309ec46d965c980a399731.jpg`
`08:02.22`	`*** join/#wowace Semlar (~chatzilla@142-196-139-80.res.bhn.net)`
`08:02.38`	`bluspacecow`	`oh ron you silly creature`
`08:03.00`	`znf`	`Funneh.`
`08:03.12`	`znf`	`Oh, yeah, so, apparently I have 2 options`
`08:03.28`	`bluspacecow`	`jump off a cliff or jump into a lake ?`
`08:03.35`	`znf`	`Either I have to pay the DHL commision`
`08:03.39`	`znf`	`or I have to get an EORI number`
`08:03.44`	`znf`	`which wouldn't be as bad`
`08:03.52`	`znf`	`except I have to fill out a form, online`
`08:03.54`	`znf`	`then I have to print something`
`08:04.37`	`Megalon`	`sounds outrageous`
`08:04.37`	`znf`	`and I have to physically deposit those papers at the customs`
`08:04.37`	`bluspacecow`	`then you have to scan it in`
`08:04.40`	`bluspacecow`	`and email it`
`08:04.42`	`znf`	`bluspacecow, no`
`08:04.46`	`znf`	`I have to physically deposit it.`
`08:04.48`	`znf`	`Yes, in 2016.`
`08:04.54`	`bluspacecow`	`wat.com`
`08:05.00`	`znf`	`I fill out an electronic form, but I have to physically deposit it.`
`08:05.22`	`znf`	`Yup.`
`08:05.44`	`bluspacecow`	`i got you bro`
`08:05.46`	`bluspacecow`	`use this : http://s601.photobucket.com/user/ZeDeathbringer/media/wat-1.jpg.html`
`08:07.09`	`bluspacecow`	`apprently in znf-land its 1896`
`08:27.16`	`sbu`	`mornings`
`08:27.29`	`nevcairiel`	`sbu lives!`
`08:29.01`	`sbu`	`Gnarfoz: news! my music stops on UAC :p`
`08:30.53`	`sbu`	`still no legion from curse, right?=`
`08:31.02`	`nevcairiel`	`never from curse`
`08:31.11`	`sbu`	`"never"?`
`08:31.16`	`Megalon`	`never ever`
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`08:31.25`	`sbu`	`nevcairiel: explain!`
`08:31.38`	`nevcairiel`	`dont trust any of their promises`
`08:31.46`	`nevcairiel`	`especially since they havent even given any!`
`08:32.13`	`sbu`	`no, but they did it for ~every (since it was possible to get keys :p) expansion in the past, why not this time? :p`
`08:34.36`	`znf`	`I'd be damned if I pay that commision to DHL`
`08:34.48`	`nevcairiel`	`you are damned anyway`
`08:45.24`	`bluspacecow`	`thats right znf`
`08:45.27`	`bluspacecow`	`fight the man!!!!!`
`08:45.33`	`bluspacecow`	`pay it to me instead !!!!!`
`08:45.39`	`bluspacecow`	`holds fist up dramaticall`
`08:50.44`	`Fisker`	`hey nevcairiel`
`08:50.45`	`Fisker`	`e`
`08:50.45`	`Fisker`	`y`
`08:50.51`	`Fisker`	`Don't tell anybody though`
`08:51.00`	`nevcairiel`	`hey Fisker`
`08:51.35`	`Fisker`	`Surface PC hype?`
`08:51.43`	`nevcairiel`	`no`
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`08:59.06`	`Fisker`	`rude`
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`09:12.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`lol @ countries where you pay a logistics company for handling customs`
`09:12.59`	`nevcairiel`	`you mean like germany`
`09:13.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`you don't do that in Germany`
`09:13.35`	`nevcairiel`	`UPS always wants money from me when i get something from the US`
`09:13.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`they drop it at the customs office, who notify you, and you get to grab the stuff, paying any applicable fees to them`
`09:13.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`at least that's what I've been doing for the last forever years :o`
`09:13.53`	`nevcairiel`	`well thats the bad way`
`09:14.07`	`nevcairiel`	`UPS will actually deliver it to your door and then invoice you`
`09:14.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`sure but that way only the customs office gets money, not some shipping company :D`
`09:14.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`well, that's the way it's supposed to work, but the invoice should be from the customs office, not UPS`
`09:14.56`	`nevcairiel`	`dunno, they have a small fee for handling`
`09:15.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`grab the pitchforks!`
`09:15.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`\\|\|\|/`
`09:15.21`	`nevcairiel`	`which is totally worth not having to go to the customs office for me =p`
`09:17.19`	`Stanzilla`	`nebula: you use LuaCheck, right?`
`09:18.18`	`Semlar`	`i'm pretty sure i didn't have to pay anything extra when i shipped something directly from china`
`09:18.37`	`nevcairiel`	`always depends on your local customs laws`
`09:18.48`	`Semlar`	`i mean, it took like a month to get here`
`09:18.49`	`nevcairiel`	`if the value is low enough you usually dont have to pay anything`
`09:19.00`	`Semlar`	`yeah it was like $20 or something`
`09:19.33`	`Semlar`	`it was a big yagi antenna`
`09:20.09`	`znf`	`I don't usually get to pay stuff from china, either`
`09:20.13`	`znf`	`except when it's DHL`
`09:20.15`	`znf`	`fuck DHL`
`09:21.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`like customs existing is somehow DHL's fault ^^`
`09:22.45`	`znf`	`no, I never had to have an EORI number`
`09:22.51`	`znf`	`now DHL is asking for it`
`09:23.33`	`Semlar`	`are you smuggling drugs again`
`09:24.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`EORI is for businesses`
`09:24.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`and EORI is also not DHL's idea or fault`
`09:25.11`	`bluspacecow`	`znf is serious business`
`09:25.21`	`znf`	`well, apparently DHL is asking for an EORI even for non-business`
`09:25.23`	`znf`	`that's my issue`
`09:27.29`	`Fisker`	`I agree with Gnarfoz`
`09:27.37`	`Fisker`	`I'd rather pay the customs office directly`
`09:27.43`	`znf`	`yes`
`09:27.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`maybe you should stop trying to tax evade (40$ instead of 80$ value marked), you'd worry less about these things :D`
`09:27.51`	`Fisker`	`But only to get rid of the 20â¬ handling fee they all charge`
`09:27.54`	`znf`	`Gnarfoz, I didn't`
`09:28.01`	`znf`	`the chinese dude sent it like that`
`09:28.07`	`znf`	`never asked for it`
`09:28.19`	`znf`	`but that's not relevant`
`09:28.31`	`znf`	`I would have had to pay taxes for $80 or $40 regardless`
`09:29.15`	`quiescens`	`o.o`
`09:29.16`	`znf`	`I don't care that I have to pay taxes`
`09:29.20`	`Phixion`	`morning`
`09:29.26`	`quiescens`	`go to sleep`
`09:29.27`	`znf`	`I'm annoyed that I have to get an EORI number in order to pay taxes`
`09:29.27`	`Phixion`	`hugs Fisker`
`09:29.42`	`znf`	`something I never had to do`
`09:31.23`	`znf`	`only because the seller shipped via dhl`
`09:31.30`	`znf`	`else it would have been just the post office`
`09:31.36`	`znf`	`and I would have paid the taxes at the post office`
`09:31.54`	`znf`	`post/customs whatever`
`09:32.20`	`Torhal`	`We should change the name of the channel to #znf-omgwtfbbq`
`09:32.35`	`Phixion`	`^`
`09:33.06`	`Phixion`	`hey Torhal`
`09:33.08`	`Phixion`	`hugs?`
`09:33.15`	`znf`	`Torhal, shush`
`09:33.17`	`znf`	`it's all your fault`
`09:33.25`	`Torhal`	`hey Phixion`
`09:33.32`	`Torhal`	`I don'tt hink znf hugs.`
`09:34.53`	`Phixion`	`:-(`
`09:36.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`clearly, blaming DHL for using EORI (not a DHL invention) is sane`
`09:36.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`who knows, maybe some rules changed and you now need it? :P`
`09:36.52`	`Stanzilla`	`http://i.imgur.com/NfdXU67.png`
`09:36.55`	`Stanzilla`	`what a beauty`
`09:37.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`I had to get an EORI number for the company late last year, too`
`09:37.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`DHL was not involved`
`09:37.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`(only OCZ and UPS)`
`09:37.40`	`Torhal`	`Stanzilla: WAT`
`09:37.55`	`Stanzilla`	`Torhal: I know rite`
`09:38.15`	`Torhal`	`I know I'm looking at commit notes, but...why?`
`09:38.27`	`Stanzilla`	`it was mainly about the new source tree design`
`09:38.48`	`Stanzilla`	`which looks like a 12 year old did it`
`09:41.36`	`Torhal`	`Oh.`
`09:41.48`	`Torhal`	`Wait - is that the Mac version?`
`09:42.04`	`bluspacecow`	`and im guessing not a talented 12 y/o at that`
`09:42.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`clearly the window decorations say otherwise`
`09:42.12`	`znf`	`Gnarfoz, I'm not saying it's DHL's fault for needing an EORI`
`09:42.30`	`znf`	`I'm saying it's DHL's fault for not giving me an easier option to pay the taxes`
`09:42.37`	`Torhal`	`Gnarfoz: Point.`
`09:42.47`	`Torhal`	`Anyway, the Windows version has always looked like shit.`
`09:42.55`	`Torhal`	`This is worse, though.`
`09:43.02`	`znf`	`if the package would have been delivered trough the normal national postal service, I would have just paid the taxes there when I would have picked it up`
`09:43.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`znf: the process to get an EORI number is also not by DHL's design`
`09:43.34`	`znf`	`I'm simply saying that, because I get the package trough DHL, I need to get an EORI number. Else I would have paid the taxes at the postal office/customs`
`09:43.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`so next time ask the seller before which shipping they're going to use`
`09:44.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`and don't buy from them if it's DHL ^^`
`09:44.43`	`znf`	`ofc`
`09:44.47`	`znf`	`but I wasn't aware, so... :)`
`09:44.54`	`znf`	`and I don't actually recall when the fuck I chose DHL`
`09:44.58`	`znf`	`I'm pretty sure I chose Hungary Post`
`09:45.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'm also Hungry`
`09:45.22`	`Torhal`	`Wait... if you're Hungry, where the fuck is Gnarfoz?`
`09:45.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`in Hungary`
`09:45.32`	`Torhal`	`Oh.`
`09:45.45`	`bluspacecow`	`soz torhal`
`09:45.47`	`bluspacecow`	`i eats him`
`09:45.51`	`Torhal`	`:O`
`09:46.15`	`znf`	`mkay`
`09:46.18`	`znf`	`now I have to get out of the house`
`09:46.28`	`bluspacecow`	`for pizza`
`09:46.46`	`znf`	`nah, to print the EORI papers thingie`
`09:46.56`	`znf`	`and ship them via courier to the regional customs office`
`09:47.05`	`bluspacecow`	`not even peanut butter tuna and banna pizza ?`
`09:47.12`	`znf`	`a what now`
`09:49.34`	`Torhal`	`Oh, no, Stanzilla.`
`09:51.52`	`Torhal`	`They changed the OSX version's UI as well.`
`09:51.59`	`Torhal`	`I don't even know how to use this thing now.`
`09:52.08`	`Stanzilla`	`Torhal: screenshot`
`09:53.08`	`Torhal`	`Stanzilla: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9itwrnc1v57sn8r/Screenshot%202016-02-16%2003.52.51.png?dl=0`
`09:53.34`	`znf`	`that doesn't look like WeakAuras, Torhal`
`09:53.46`	`Torhal`	`I don't work on WeakAuras, znf.`
`09:54.00`	`znf`	`You should`
`09:54.04`	`znf`	`I hear the addon is awesome`
`09:54.25`	`Torhal`	`That would be a bad idea. I'd end up rewriting everything like I always do.`
`09:54.35`	`znf`	`what's the bad part?`
`09:54.42`	`Torhal`	`:P`
`10:23.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'm totally going to remote-update my fritzbox firmware`
`10:23.55`	`nevcairiel`	`still no 6.50 for mine :(`
`10:24.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`o_o`
`10:24.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`installed: 6.36-32026, new: 6.30`
`10:24.34`	`nevcairiel`	`it wants to de-labor you`
`10:24.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`guess I was assuming correctly that they pushed an update to the stable version`
`10:24.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`(because otherwise, the box wouldn't even have emailed me, it doesn't check for labor updates)`
`10:25.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`but there's a newer labor build, too (from 4 days ago)`
`10:25.27`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont usually use labor builds unless there is something rather specific in it`
`10:25.33`	`nevcairiel`	`(that i want)`
`10:25.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`what the hell, the ftp wants credentials now`
`10:25.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`go home AVM, you're drunk`
`10:26.31`	`nevcairiel`	`there is a 12.02 labor for mine`
`10:29.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, same date for mine`
`10:29.26`	`nevcairiel`	`but i can wait for the final =p`
`10:29.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`gah, it's stuck at Uploading (1%) again. I wonder what I did to fix that last time`
`10:35.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://i.imgur.com/xsIrqTo.png :o fancy`
`10:36.59`	`Phixion`	`topkek!OS`
`10:38.17`	`Megalon`	`based OSFrog`
`10:39.15`	`Phixion`	`fritzl OS`
`10:39.30`	`Megalon`	`works best from the basement`
`10:39.48`	`Phixion`	`nods`
`10:50.15`	`Stanzilla`	`nevcairiel Gnarfoz this forum is pretty good for fritzbox stuff, they always discuss the new firmware(s) http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/forumdisplay.php?f=458&s=718689e2067cc4c6ffd4759314fd8a47`
`10:56.18`	`nevcairiel`	`the only wish for my fritzbox would be to be able to workaround the phones ipv6 crazyness in some way =p`
`11:00.22`	`Stanzilla`	`I dont have that`
`11:01.11`	`nevcairiel`	`didnt you say you just turned off ipv6`
`11:01.18`	`Stanzilla`	`yep thats why I dont have that :D`
`11:01.40`	`nevcairiel`	`thats not a solution though, using ipv6 on my pc would be something i would ant`
`11:01.42`	`nevcairiel`	`want*`
`11:01.59`	`Stanzilla`	`my phone <>box wlan is a tad more stable with fritzos 6.51 though`
`11:02.01`	`Stanzilla`	`so that's good`
`11:02.28`	`Stanzilla`	`I still dont know what ipv6 would give me and as long as I dont have to use it..`
`11:02.53`	`nevcairiel`	`i'm still somewhat confused the ipv6 troubles in phones isnt a bigger issue, but presumably its just not widespread enough to really get noticed`
`11:03.34`	`znf`	`I still dislike ipv6`
`11:03.35`	`Stanzilla`	`when I used ipv6 I had trouble with a few programs that where obviously not that well made so I just ditched it`
`11:03.49`	`znf`	`so:many:fuckin:dots:and:groups:that:its:impossible:to:remember:it`
`11:04.36`	`nevcairiel`	`znf: thats why DNS exists`
`11:05.00`	`nevcairiel`	`remembering 128-bit of information is clearly impractical`
`11:05.50`	`nevcairiel`	`i should just root my phone and disable ipv6 on it, but i'm unsure of the long-term consequences`
`11:07.35`	`Phixion`	`cant you just disable dhcp6 on fritzlbox?`
`11:07.44`	`nevcairiel`	`not for wifi only`
`11:07.55`	`Phixion`	`:-(`
`11:08.50`	`nevcairiel`	`i can turn it off, but technically ipv6 also works without dhcp, so who knows if that would solve a nything`
`11:09.16`	`nevcairiel`	`i think my dhcpv6 is configured to only spread around the DNS information`
`11:09.20`	`nevcairiel`	`and not actually the address`
`11:12.17`	`nevcairiel`	`in any case, I might just wait until my phone updated to 6.0 OTA and then root it after`
`11:13.10`	`znf`	`nevcairiel, dns is just a layer of complexity`
`11:13.13`	`znf`	`another*`
`11:13.48`	`znf`	`I mean, who bothers doing DNS for every possible device in their home/office?`
`11:13.58`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe you should`
`11:14.05`	`Phixion`	`rtfm`
`11:14.31`	`znf`	`I shudder at auto-configuration. User-data can't be trusted.`
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`11:26.55`	`znf`	`GMail's XOauth token thingie auth stuff should be independent of the password, right?`
`11:27.11`	`znf`	`I mean, I can change the password without distrupting a saved token, right?`
`11:40.21`	`Semlar`	`http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitDistanceSquared uh how accurate is this`
`11:40.42`	`Semlar`	`it says this function doesn't actually return yards?`
`11:47.37`	`Semlar`	`i assume it's off because it's measuring from the center of the units rather than the edge of their hitboxes`
`11:50.02`	`Xuerian`	`There's an actual unit distance function now?`
`11:50.23`	`Semlar`	`yeah i pestered a blizzard rep until they added one`
`11:50.53`	`Xuerian`	`They didn't know how much spell-based range checking happened? eesh`
`11:58.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`lol "DNS is just complexity"`
`11:59.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`when you work with "is this on machine 190" people, because they can't be arsed to remember host names, you'll Â start liking it pretty quickly`
`12:00.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, the ipv6 stuff doesn't depend on DHCP, because the actual problem is because of the phones not replying to some of the ipv6 management traffic (router advertisements, I think?); DHCP only happens once in a huge while`
`12:03.33`	`nebula`	`Semlar: you'll get some variation with that vs coords because it actually accounts for z`
`12:03.48`	`Semlar`	`yeah i know`
`12:03.57`	`nebula`	`just saw that on mmoc, too :p`
`12:04.09`	`Semlar`	`i wasn't thinking he was measuring it with spells so it didn't even occur to me`
`12:04.11`	`nebula`	`/that/your post/`
`12:04.30`	`Semlar`	`i don't normally use those functions to check spell ranges`
`12:04.39`	`nebula`	`yea we found that when we update the proximity display to use unitposition`
`12:04.55`	`nebula`	`why values in modules are a little wonky sometimes`
`12:05.46`	`Semlar`	`so when a player gets a debuff on them that explodes for x yards, do you have to account for the player's reach there too`
`12:06.01`	`nebula`	`depends on the spell!`
`12:06.21`	`nevcairiel`	`thats a bit of a complex topic to be honest`
`12:07.46`	`Semlar`	`i remember making a boss mod for koragh that kept track of how long his void zones would last before they expired and i don't think i had to account for my hitbox or anything`
`12:08.19`	`Semlar`	`but he targeted your center and you don't actually take damage from a void zone unless you're standing on top of it so`
`12:08.29`	`nebula`	`void zones, no, the fire debuff yes`
`12:08.31`	`Semlar`	`i guess the hitbox never would have mattered`
`12:09.26`	`Semlar`	`so does the player have a 1.5 yard reach and a 1.5 yard hitbox or a 3 yard reach or what`
`12:09.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`nobody knows`
`12:09.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`good luck :D`
`12:09.37`	`Semlar`	`>_>`
`12:10.35`	`Semlar`	`http://www.wowhead.com/npc=79015 the 3D model for koragh on here is covered in armor`
`12:12.32`	`Stanzilla`	`nebula: dick`
`12:13.20`	`Semlar`	`this guy also utterly failed at following my instructions when i asked him to post a screenshot with the tooltip of holy shock visible`
`12:13.40`	`Semlar`	`but i'm going to give him a pass because i don't think english is his first language`
`12:14.18`	`Semlar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:15.09`	`Semlar`	`i WANTED to know if he had a 43 yard range on his spell for some reason`
`12:15.41`	`Semlar`	`or if he wasn't on level ground with his target`
`12:16.01`	`Semlar`	`although that probably wouldn't have mattered in this case`
`12:20.06`	`Semlar`	`man i really don't want to write another reply`
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`13:07.33`	`pompy`	`http://gph.is/1ogZ7Dt`
`13:10.21`	`Semlar`	`who`
`13:12.41`	`nevcairiel`	`Semlar: the guy seems stubborn beyond help`
`13:12.50`	`pompy`	`ninth doctor`
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`15:24.55`	`quiescens`	`gives blu a cookie`
`15:26.35`	`Stanzilla`	`https://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/cve-2015-7547-glibc-getaddrinfo-stack.html`
`15:26.45`	`bluspacecow`	`noms cookie`
`15:28.33`	`Fisker`	`netstat -a \| measure`
`15:28.33`	`Fisker`	`Count : 13723`
`15:28.36`	`Fisker`	`barfs`
`15:29.13`	`bluspacecow`	`man measure`
`15:31.26`	`quiescens`	`o.o`
`15:31.41`	`bluspacecow`	`im the hoochy goochy man quiescens`
`15:31.50`	`bluspacecow`	`gooches quiescens`
`15:31.54`	`quiescens`	`pats blu`
`15:32.29`	`bluspacecow`	`hands quiescens a bottle full of grog wrapped in a paper bag`
`15:32.32`	`bluspacecow`	`hooch too !`
`15:46.15`	`Phixion`	`nice Fisker`
`15:47.32`	`Phixion`	`includes unix protocol tho :\|`
`15:53.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`rather unlikely, seeing that it's Windows, Phixion`
`15:57.28`	`Phixion`	`:(`
`15:57.59`	`Phixion`	`I have measure tho`
`15:58.07`	`Phixion`	`but its an alias :)`
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`16:05.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`lazy bum`
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`16:05.11`	`Phixion`	`never lazy`
`16:05.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`alias measure='wc -l' ^^`
`16:05.19`	`Phixion`	`see`
`16:05.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`sure, and laziness is good`
`16:05.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`mehhh new T-Mobile prices`
`16:05.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`even more expensive`
`16:06.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`sbu: pokes`
`16:07.08`	`silentium`	`measure has more letters to type than wc -l â¦`
`16:07.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`idd`
`16:14.01`	`quiescens`	`o.o`
`16:15.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`I guess 45+45 -10 is close enough to 38+40...`
`16:15.32`	`nevcairiel`	`wat`
`16:15.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`but I'd have to switch from 1&1 to T-Online, I think I can't do that for another year`
`16:15.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`re: T-Mobile prices`
`16:15.54`	`nevcairiel`	`oh`
`16:15.59`	`nevcairiel`	`why is your contract to expensive`
`16:16.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`I want to get rid of O2, their backend network just sucks balls`
`16:16.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`(always has)`
`16:16.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`that's just how expensive they are? :\`
`16:16.26`	`nevcairiel`	`thats why i switched to congstar, D1 network without incredible t-mobile prices`
`16:16.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah but even with contract and LTE phone you only get 7 mbit :D`
`16:16.56`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont mind that`
`16:17.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`(until the day T-Mobile decides to ax that)`
`16:17.05`	`nevcairiel`	`better than paying 4x just for some peed`
`16:17.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`true, but current congstar plans also all suck`
`16:17.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`"Vielsurfer" is 1 GB :D`
`16:17.22`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah they changed them`
`16:17.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`like, wat`
`16:17.52`	`nevcairiel`	`i have 1gb only as well, but back when i got it, it was for one cheaper, and they did offer higher variants`
`16:17.56`	`nevcairiel`	`their new plans are all crappy`
`16:18.11`	`nevcairiel`	`luckily they cant just force-convert me =p`
`16:18.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`for real, 1 GB for 30â¬`
`16:18.30`	`nevcairiel`	`i pay 10 for 1gb`
`16:18.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`they can't be serious ^^`
`16:18.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, I set it up like that for my mom`
`16:18.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`or does she have 500 MB... maybe. I'm not sure`
`16:19.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`but it looks like it is simply 2x as expensive now`
`16:19.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`for no gain to the customer`
`16:19.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`anyway, MagentaZuhause L = 45â¬, MagentaMobil M (new, April 2016): 45â¬ :\`
`16:19.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`but you get 10â¬ back for having both! ^^`
`16:20.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`(and some other stuff that's part of MagentaEINS which I probably don't have much use for)`
`16:20.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`but I already have 1&1 doppelflat 100M w/ upload option = 37,98â¬ and o2 Blue All-in L (old, 2013) = 39,99â¬`
`16:21.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`so it really comes down to paying 2â¬ more and getting better mobile network out of it ^^`
`16:21.22`	`nevcairiel`	`i'm still on their old naming for festnetz`
`16:21.31`	`nevcairiel`	`call & surf comfort speed`
`16:21.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, telekom hotspot flat is included in that (which is probably the reason for the price hike, that was separate before for 5â¬)`
`16:21.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`(supposedly it was included some years before THAT, so it is a bit of Augenwischerei)`
`16:22.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`and T-Mobile allows the entire included traffic volume to be used in EU`
`16:22.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`not just 1 GB of it, like O2`
`16:22.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`and they have LTE roaming agreements`
`16:22.39`	`nevcairiel`	`which is nice, if you ever need it`
`16:24.47`	`nevcairiel`	`but t-mobile has always been expensive`
`16:24.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`true`
`16:25.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`but it's a bit of "you get what you pay for"`
`16:25.13`	`nevcairiel`	`previously I used a similar cheap o2 contract, no flat other then data, which is really all i need`
`16:25.26`	`nevcairiel`	`you already pay o2 a load of money =p`
`16:25.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, that's kind of all I need, too`
`16:25.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah but I'm not getting the same value for it`
`16:26.20`	`nevcairiel`	`no idea where i would go if congstar would try to force their new contracts on me`
`16:27.28`	`nevcairiel`	`the "best" congstar can do similar to mine is 1gb at 14mbit for 13â¬/mo`
`16:27.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`really? which plan is that`
`16:27.41`	`nevcairiel`	`which is slightly more expensive than what i pay now, for twice the speed`
`16:27.47`	`nevcairiel`	`"congstar wie ich will"`
`16:27.53`	`bluspacecouch`	`nevcairiel: I got thrown out :(`
`16:27.56`	`nevcairiel`	`just didnt add any phone or sms`
`16:28.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`I thought the baukasten plans were just for prepaid`
`16:29.44`	`nevcairiel`	`no they have one for prepaid and one for postpaid`
`16:29.50`	`Megalon`	`:o`
`16:30.19`	`Megalon`	`i always think i pay to much for my phone stuff until i hear you german guys talk about yours`
`16:30.20`	`Megalon`	`:P`
`16:31.20`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe i should switch to that one, its 1â¬ more for twice the speed`
`16:34.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`Megalon: :\|`
`16:34.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`France has 50 GB plansÂ`
`16:34.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`(but they have to endure being French)`
`16:34.52`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont think i would really need that`
`16:34.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`nevcairiel:Â https://winsim.de/tariffs/lte3000`
`16:35.05`	`Megalon`	`:\|`
`16:35.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`25â¬ instead of 40â¬`
`16:35.29`	`nevcairiel`	`but o2`
`16:35.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`(but even less EU data volume to use, but I don't really need it)`
`16:35.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, I know`
`16:35.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`there's no good D1 resellers ^^`
`16:36.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`oh, also T-Mobile offers actual NFC payment with the phone`
`16:36.14`	`nevcairiel`	`well if you are happy with 1gb and no other features whatsoever, congstar works`
`16:36.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`(so, SIM card with secure element)`
`16:36.24`	`nevcairiel`	`but they dont offer any higher values, so there is that`
`16:36.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`not this crappy mpass stuff, which is an NFC sticker and thus is... totally unrelated to the phone, really`
`16:37.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`I exceed 1 GB every month and come close to 2 GB most of the time (and have exceeded 2GB a handful of times)`
`16:37.53`	`nevcairiel`	`i never did because wifi at home and work, so it only ever was for in-between`
`16:37.57`	`nevcairiel`	`and these days not even that :P`
`16:38.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`Working from home ftw`
`16:38.54`	`nevcairiel`	`anyway time to cook some schnitzel`
`16:39.24`	`Megalon`	`what the schnitzel`
`16:39.37`	`bluspacecouch`	`mmmm schnitzel`
`16:39.52`	`Phixion`	`mmm`
`16:40.04`	`Phixion`	`steals all the schnitzels`
`16:40.07`	`Megalon`	`lecker brÃ¶selteppich mit hitlerbananen!`
`16:40.23`	`Phixion`	`what are hitlerbaneneeneneneeneanana`
`16:40.37`	`Megalon`	`pommes frittes`
`16:40.41`	`Phixion`	`oh`
`16:40.53`	`Megalon`	`what else would they be`
`16:41.05`	`Phixion`	`shrug`
`16:41.21`	`Phixion`	`its not a german thing`
`16:41.26`	`Phixion`	`imo`
`16:41.48`	`Megalon`	`yea after he wasn't successful with them in austria`
`16:41.55`	`Phixion`	`:D`
`16:41.56`	`Megalon`	`he went to germany and became reichskanzler there`
`16:42.02`	`Megalon`	`Â¯\_(ã)_/Â¯`
`16:42.08`	`Phixion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:42.22`	`Phixion`	`(â¿êâ¿)`
`16:42.41`	`Phixion`	`^ not sure why this alias is called torhalface`
`16:42.58`	`Phixion`	`mustve been drunk`
`16:43.01`	`Megalon`	`looks like a butt to me`
`16:43.06`	`Phixion`	`nods`
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`17:56.30`	`bluspacecouch`	`burbles sleeply at quiescens`
`18:05.20`	`bluspacecouch`	`makes a small fort bed out of quiescensâs couch`
`18:05.23`	`bluspacecouch`	`night folks`
`19:00.26`	`Stanzilla`	`@Wario64: Jet Set Radio and other Sega games are free on Steam right now https://t.co/67wGxi1wCI https://t.co/W6imB8XEO1`
`19:03.16`	`Fisker`	`Cba`
`21:27.15`	`Phase`	`any idea why wowace.com -> "sign in" is just redirecting back to the main page with zero change?`
`21:27.25`	`Phase`	`won't actually let me sign in etc`
`21:28.04`	`Phase`	`mmk, after I went to the new account page and then back to the main page it showed up`
`21:28.05`	`Phase`	`nevermind :P`
`21:28.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`cookie blockerz`
`21:28.32`	`Phase`	`not on my browser`
`21:29.00`	`Phase`	`I'm one of those weirdos that lets google track my every move unhindered`
`21:29.32`	`nevcairiel`	`they dont need cookies for that`
`21:29.50`	`Phase`	`of course`
`21:29.56`	`Phase`	`they have plenty of avenues`
`21:58.05`	`Stanzilla`	`it's a patch, Gnarfoz`
`21:58.17`	`nevcairiel`	`it's a trap, Stanzilla`
`21:58.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's a Stanzilla, nevcairiel`
`21:59.03`	`nevcairiel`	`that i knew`
`21:59.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`I didn't claim otherwise`
`21:59.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`hmm`
`21:59.35`	`Stanzilla`	`27121 for your number fetish`
`21:59.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`heating/water counter reader + smoke alarm checker guy is due for his second visit tomorrow`
`21:59.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`16:15`
`22:00.05`	`nevcairiel`	`missed your first one?`
`22:00.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`they ONLY OV showing of Deadpool is at 17:00 wednesday`
`22:00.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`I gotta lure him to my flat first, maybe I can go see it`
`22:00.28`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`22:00.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`no, I was there, but the data on his diag device was outdated`
`22:00.45`	`nevcairiel`	`fail`
`22:01.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`wrong serial numbers for everything (he replaced the heating counters last year himself, I remember), and not even a mention of the smoke detectors (so he didn't have spares with him), those were put in a month after his last visit`
`22:01.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`(so ~late feb 2015)`
`22:01.50`	`nevcairiel`	`dont think my guy carried spare smoke detectors or battiers with him, but maybe they had some in the car if one needed replacement`
`22:01.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`anyway, after seeing how his data matched nothing at all in my flat, he checked one other (same picture) and then just bailed out ^^`
`22:02.08`	`nevcairiel`	`i used to do that job during school, never carried the spares with me, just kept them somewhere close`
`22:02.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, pretty sure they did, if they were checking those`
`22:02.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`no reason to carry them on their person, but he didn't have any of this model in the car, either`
`22:02.39`	`nevcairiel`	`did you have a broke one then?`
`22:03.05`	`Stanzilla`	`I watched DP last night`
`22:03.07`	`Stanzilla`	`was pretty good`
`22:03.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`deDE`
`22:03.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`?`
`22:03.30`	`nevcairiel`	`i'll probably not get to see it until next week, one of my cinema buddies is on a work trip`
`22:03.36`	`nevcairiel`	`will not*`
`22:03.40`	`Stanzilla`	`no enUS`
`22:03.43`	`Stanzilla`	`*,`
`22:03.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`good`
`22:04.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`if I don't catch it tomorrow, I'll maybe go see it in Hannover`
`22:07.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`huh, OW is already back up? dat maint speed`
`22:09.10`	`nevcairiel`	`low number of systems and little storage on their end makes for fast patching?`
`22:11.14`	`Stanzilla`	`that was only pushing the patch anyway`
`22:11.16`	`Stanzilla`	`not real maint`
`22:11.27`	`nevcairiel`	`mmm done with tonights coding project, i should go watch something now`
`22:14.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`client only update? I guess that's faster to do`
`22:14.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`maybe their infra for this game just doesn't suck as bad. :P`
`22:17.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/17610511129 please remove beta and flag znf instead`
`22:24.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://i.imgur.com/awk0inR.jpg I want one. no, two. But what would I do with 4 screens? :D`
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`23:59.52`	`Stanzilla`	`mr nebula`

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