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04:49.56Fiskeroh god Stanzilla
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12:05.24Stanzillaoh yay http://www.diablofans.com/blizz-tracker/topic/60927-legendary-gem-size-on-ui
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12:29.28nevcairielneat
12:43.31Stanzillaindeed
12:43.40Stanzillajust one of the many turbohud features they now implemented
12:44.06Stanzillaturhohud guy should really do a no-cheating edition release again so people can stop being afraid of using it
12:44.55nevcairielits still a hack, the amount or kind of modification really makes no difference
12:46.04Stanzilladoesn't matter if it only does the UI tweaks
12:46.07Stanzillawhich are the best
12:46.48Stanzillawould not be different from any other overlay like curse voice or overwolf if it just showed additional info that is already available but weirdly placed in the ui
12:48.06nevcairielexcept you have to hack the game to retrieve that info
12:48.16nevcairielas such, blizzard could ban you for it no matter what info it shows
12:54.13Semlarhacks nevcairiel
12:54.31Stanzillaevery overlay does that somehow
12:54.44Semlarall of them are hacks
12:54.55quiescenso.o
12:55.45nevcairieljust drawing over the 3d scene is rather simple
12:55.56nevcairielhacking the memory of the process to retrieve in-game information is another matter entirely
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13:08.41Stanzillathe overlays all read memory to know the player names etc
13:09.18Stanzillaand as long as they don't write to memory it's fine
13:09.20nevcairieldoesnt curse voice and overwolf just show info from their  voice clients and not related to the game
13:10.00Stanzillaoverwolf I never used, curse voice reads stuff to know who is who so it can to call initiation etc
13:10.44nevcairielits equally sketchy then, reading another processes memory is bad
13:11.15nevcairieland you can probably get a bunch of info which gives you advantages without writing
13:11.37nevcairiellike mob density and pack types that turbohud shows, doubt it needs to write to find that
13:12.22nevcairielheck you can write a bot without writing, just read and emulate the mouse/keyboard through OS functions
13:13.51Stanzillathat's why I said a no-cheating edition would be good
13:14.14nevcairielbut thats my point, there is no clear concept of which is cheating
13:14.25nevcairielunless blizzard says something is ok, which they never will
13:15.20Stanzillabut there are some things that are clearly not cheating
13:15.30Stanzillalike that number on the gems
13:15.48Stanzillaand stuff like that, where it is no question if it is fine or not, can be part of a no-cheating edition
13:15.54Semlari'm pretty sure you flat out aren't allowed to read memory in any blizzard game
13:16.26Stanzillatell that to curse voice then
13:16.30Stanzillaand other stuff
13:16.47nevcairielI question the sanity of many things curse does these days
13:16.49nevcairielso point is moot =p
13:16.56Stanzillapretty sure they would be fine with it if it is not used for cheating
13:17.51SemlarC. use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, “mines,” or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment
13:19.42Stanzillalike I said
13:19.46Semlarfrom the wow ToU, i'm sure it's similar for other games
13:20.10Stanzillathey just have that to disallow cheating
13:20.39Semlarwell yeah, but it pretty clearly states that you can't, under any circumstances, read information from the RAM
13:20.44nevcairielthats not the point though, you dont get to re-interpret the spirit of the rules, you get to obey the letter of them :p
13:21.16nevcairielIf they wanted to allow UI mods for D3, they would have added addons
13:21.56nevcairielThey might not ban for using a UI-only turbohud
13:22.04nevcairielor maybe they do
13:22.17nevcairielI like my account the way it is, tyvm :p
13:22.25Semlarthe problem is they can't really endorse any third party software they aren't in control of
13:22.55nevcairielmaybe such voice things actually contacted blizzard and entered some "authorized third-party software" list, if such a thing exists
13:23.06nevcairielor maybe they just hope noone ever gets banned and they dont have a shit storm on their hands
13:23.18Stanzillaprobably the latter :D
13:24.21Semlarblizzard's probably got their hands full ignoring the myriad of actual violations people are doing in their games
13:27.16Semlarpeople are straight up fly-hacking in the arena, which is pretty ballsy considering how obvious it is
13:28.24nevcairielblizzard just bans in waves, which can sometime seem like they are ignoring some issues, as it takes a while for the next wave to hit
13:29.20Semlari know, but it would be a little more reassuring if they did it more often than once a year
13:29.33Stanzillaor in the case of d3 they refuse to ban and therefore angry the whole community
13:30.31nevcairielthey banned a whole bunch of botters this season
13:30.38Stanzillanah
13:30.42Stanzillathose bans where for exploits
13:30.45Stanzillathe botters are all there
13:30.49Stanzillaall on top of the leaderboards
13:31.09Stanzillalook at gaby
13:31.12Stanzillagot banned for exploits
13:31.14Stanzillastill bots today
13:31.19Stanzillaalready para 2500 on his new account
13:32.46nevcairielthey probably dont have a good way to detect botters with a decent degree of accuracy
13:33.09nevcairieljust doing it  based on time played or something is probably dangerous
13:33.46Semlarbots play better than i do
13:34.01nevcairielyou are mushroom11, no wonder
13:34.35quiescensmushroom o.o
13:35.33Semlarbadgers quiescens
13:35.48quiescensdies.
13:36.20Phixion):
13:37.20Semlarhttps://youtu.be/XRC6ylnKOhY
13:39.05Gnarfozwhat's a BOT? ball of truth?
13:39.18nevcairielwouldnt that be BoT
13:39.23Semlarbastion of twilight
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13:41.05GnarfozDiablo 3 Bastion of Twilight
13:41.09Gnarfoznext expansion confirmed
13:41.33Gnarfozalso, why are these solr cores for our music stuff 100 times bigger than the other stuff
13:41.40Gnarfozsomeone is doing something wrong, I'm sure of it
13:45.50nevcairielit would be fun if they could sneakily disable bots in 2.4 or something by scrambling memory quite thoroughly
13:46.22nevcairielunfortunately doing things like that is rather hard
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13:47.19Semlari honestly don't even know if that bot is reading memory
13:47.34Semlarit may just be monitoring the screen
13:47.38nevcairielprobably is, much easier than image recognition
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14:33.13Fiskerhey Ressy
14:33.18Ressyhey
14:35.34Phixiono/
14:43.57znfgoogle cloud is confusing as fuck
14:43.59znfI'm trying to fuse mount
14:44.03znfbut I can't get the auth right
14:45.46znfit says to make a json key
14:45.48znfI did
14:45.52znfI specify the file
14:45.54znfbut, nope
14:49.54jleclanchehttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turris-omnia-hi-performance-open-source-router#/ anyone interested in this one?
15:02.37Stanzillaoverwatch game read driver
15:02.41Stanzilla*y
15:03.04Stanzillahttp://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=568632
15:04.51StanzillaGnarfoz: ^
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15:07.25znfuuu, black friday tomorow!
15:07.27znfand tonight!
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15:44.53Gnarfozthe only redeeming quality that router has seems to be "being open source"
15:45.03Gnarfoz(not that it's somehow impossible to run openwrt somewhere else)
15:45.47GnarfozStanzilla: double FPS inc? :P
15:52.01Gnarfozwhat does it actually do?
15:52.11Gnarfozit doesn't say anything at all, is that normal? ^^
15:54.22winkanyone from the London area (or otherwise) and has an IP originating from there? need to test a geoip database. literally just need example IPs
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16:35.59znfGnarfoz, why the fuckin' fuck
16:36.05znfwould a blade not boot?
16:36.08znfand complain about memory
16:36.18znfwhen I test the memory sticks individually, they all work
16:36.22znfwhen I put them in the slots, nope
16:41.36znfeven "better"
16:41.39znfI can boot with 24gb ram
16:41.44znflet's see if I can do more
16:56.20Gnarfozznf: because that's how memory works, in general (not related to servers/blades/whatever)
16:56.37Gnarfozthe entirety of what you want to use has to be compatible with the board+cpu+among itself
16:56.57znfGnarfoz, they're the same model
16:56.59znffrom the same batch
16:57.01Gnarfozdoesn't matter
16:57.06znf...?!
16:57.10Gnarfozcan still get one that doesn't work with the others
16:57.22Gnarfozgood luck figuring out which one it is, it's a pain in the butt when that happens
16:57.30znfwell,  Imade it run with 24gb
17:01.46GnarfozI built and sold PCs for a living for 3.5 years during my apprenticeship and RAM was always the worst stuff to deal with
17:02.05Gnarfozok, it was the cheapest RAM they could get their hands on, that probably didn't help, but... mh
17:02.43Gnarfoz"both pairs of 2 sticks work on their own, but not all 4 together" (or variants thereof) was a daily thing
17:02.55Gnarfozin other news, I now get to use Check Point SSL VPN
17:02.58Gnarfozand it sucks :D
17:07.22quiescensmoo~
17:07.50znfwell, I have ECC :-/
17:08.10znfI have *some* expectancies...
17:08.43quiescensgo to sleep
17:09.30Gnarfozthe wrong expectations, probably - ECC is not for compatibility
17:09.46Gnarfoztime to go home, not keen on staying until midnight again :p
17:12.08quiescenswoek woek
17:21.36znfmeh
17:21.42znfI cut my finger in a blade :(
17:21.57znfand that statement actually sounds "right" for once
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17:36.38znfGnarfoz, I figured.
17:36.41znfI had picked up the wrong one
17:36.44znfsame label type
17:36.46znfsame size
17:36.51znfsame all
17:36.58znfexcept the chips
18:05.37TrelaI really need to finish my Hand of A'dal title.
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18:37.19TorhalTrela: I wish I could, but when WotLK hit I was maxxed on quests and dropped the old version that allowed the title gain. :/
18:37.39TrelaTorhal: D'oh.  No longer shareable either.
18:55.44znfI have literally no idea how to block a referral with google cloud storage
18:57.02TorhalTrela: Yeah. I had no idea until two weeks after the expansion when people started bitching about it.
18:57.16TorhalThat was a BS move on their part, but owell.
18:59.43TrelaI understand they wanted to prevent people from getting it easily.
19:00.15nevcairielWhy would you notice two weeks after the expansion, and not like, just do it before
19:01.28nevcairielnot like end of an expansion is packed with content
19:01.48Torhalnevcairiel: I had financial difficulties during TBC and didn't get things sorted until just before WotLK, so there wasn't really a chance.
19:02.29TorhalNew expansion, shitton of quests, so I abandoned that one since I had no idea they'd removed it and thought I could just pick it up again.
19:05.14nevcairielI like how some things just become unobtainable after they become trivial solo content, like  some raid achievements and well those titles
19:07.43TorhalIt does make sense, but there was no warning about it that I ever saw.
19:08.25Repogem-helper: 03tiker * r239  (2 files in 1 directory):
19:08.26RepoLocale handling changes, added and testing eye-of naming and treasure item
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20:17.53Fiskernever lucky Gnarfoz
20:20.33Torhalhands Fisker a lucky-do.
20:27.07Megalonquiescens Torhal a Fisker
20:27.44znf<PROTECTED>
20:27.47znf1200+ users online
20:27.55znfand I was making plans of deploying varnish instances
20:28.44FiskerI just wanted to overwatch beta for a few days Torhal
20:28.46FiskerA FEW DAYS
20:32.36znfyay black friday
20:35.03TrelaBFLM.
20:35.30TrelaWon't someone think of all the trampled people?!
20:39.40znfHmmm
20:39.49znf120G SSD (Samsung Evo 850) for <25e
20:42.02Stanzillasend me 5
20:47.03znfweeee http://i.imgur.com/ZKtsXGt.png
20:52.16znfso, the only thing I can congratulate Facebook for
20:52.17znfHHVM
20:52.46Stanzillanuclide is also good
20:53.30TrelaHHVM, kicking Zend in the ass to get PHP 7 created.
20:54.56Stanzillawhat's all the fuzz around php7 anyway
20:55.03Stanzillapeople hype that shit all the time
20:55.07Stanzillaanything really good in there?
20:55.13Trelatypes.
20:56.03znfTrela, yeah, but after warmup, HHVM still kicks it's ass
20:56.12znfStanzilla, php7 is like 10x faster
20:56.13znf:D
20:56.18znfthan php5
20:56.23TrelaPHP 5 was a sleeping giant that was fine with status quo.  Slow, but stable and works.  HHVM comes along, kicks the giant in the ass.  The PHP NG(Next Generation) project gets started which rewrites a lot how the core processing is done.  It gets accepted to become PHP 7.
20:56.51Stanzillasounds great
20:57.27Trelaznf: PHP 7 is faster at some frameworks.  HHVM is faster at others.  "Depends"
21:38.52Gnarfozdoes phpng fix all the language stupidity?
21:39.05nevcairielof course not
21:39.12Gnarfozso... yeah. php is still php. :p
21:39.23Gnarfozbeta hype stronk tonight
21:39.31nevcairielas long as I dont have to touch it
21:39.46GnarfozI hope they don't actually unlock it today already
21:40.21nevcairielso you think all the hype being generated on twitter by the CMs means what I think it means
21:40.47nevcairielwould be typical
21:40.58nevcairielme going on vacation on saturday, me getting beta access early for once =P
21:41.12Gnarfozneither Celestalon nor SeTeC9 are CMs
21:41.30nevcairielthats a generic term for blizzard people here, stop being Fisker :P
21:41.34Gnarfozwhere you going?
21:41.46nevcairielactually, to fisker-land
21:41.46FiskerWhat do you mean nevcairiel ?
21:41.52Gnarfozwell, I put a lot more stock in a server admin posting a big red button than, say, Lore
21:41.59FiskerWhen nevcairiel ?
21:42.10Gnarfozbut Overwatch is down for prep for the weekend
21:42.12nevcairielon saturday
21:42.14nevcairielfor a week
21:42.15Gnarfozso I got basicalyl nothing to do >_>
21:42.28Gnarfozguess I'll fill up my torrent queue a bit more
21:42.34Fiskerrude
21:42.46FiskerFlying in or what nevcairiel ?
21:42.57nevcairieli live like 2 hours from the border
21:42.59nevcairielso please
21:43.01nevcairielwe take the car!
21:43.07Fiskerok
21:43.09Fiskerwho's we?
21:43.57nevcairielcouple friends and myself, rented a decently sized vacation home for the week
21:44.02nevcairielin a place called nordborg, i think
21:44.42Fiskercoming
21:45.14Stanzillalook at Fisker
21:45.19Fiskerwhy?
21:45.25Stanzillaso hyped about physical interacting with people
21:45.28Stanzillamissing blizzcon? :D
21:46.42nevcairieli still wonder wtf is up with the fel reaver sound
21:46.47nevcairielbug or well hidden plot?
21:46.50sbnevcairiel:  broken bones incomnig?!
21:47.02Gnarfoznevcairiel: the latter
21:47.17Gnarfozclearly, the Legion is bringing Fel Reavers again! :D
21:48.09Fiskernope Stanzilla
21:48.12nevcairielStanzilla knows about things going on with the CDN, did they push something?
21:48.58FiskerI just want to make up for myself not having overwatch beta Stanzilla
21:48.58Stanzillanope
21:49.12Stanzillathat's ok, Fisker
21:49.31Stanzillahttp://i.imgur.com/QOvQkQI.png
21:49.37Stanzilla20716 latest
21:49.39nevcairiel(note that we're all weirdos and bringing our PCs to said vacation house to have a mini-LAN party =p)
21:49.41Stanzilla*26
21:54.29FiskerThere's only one wave to this beta weekend right?
21:55.02nevcairielprobably
21:55.06Stanzillathey did not say but I would assume so
21:55.14Torhalbrings Fisker down for maintenance.
21:55.17nevcairieli didnt get in either
21:55.28nevcairielnot that it matters since i wouldnt have time, but yeah
21:57.24GnarfozStanzilla: they have a secret CDN! or something. or are they just talking shit :p
21:57.53StanzillaGnarfoz: you mean the twitter guys?
21:58.03RessyDidn't get into what?
21:58.06Gnarfozthem and #blizzcon
21:58.08RessyOverwatch beta weekend?
21:58.11FiskerYes
21:58.14Gnarfozwhat the FUCK is it with programs stealing keyboard focus
21:58.15Stanzillayeah well I think it was OV
21:58.18Stanzillaor something related
21:58.25Stanzillabecause somehow everyone can install it now
21:58.27Stanzillawithout being in the beta
21:58.34nevcairielthose two are wow guys though
21:58.34Gnarfozeh? SeTec9 doesn't do OW, nor does Celestalon?
21:58.48RessySeTec9 is server.
21:58.49Stanzillabut they work with the cdn
21:58.54Ressynods
21:58.56Ressyhes a sweety
21:59.12nevcairielcelestalon is a class guy, not server, isnt he
21:59.18Stanzillamaybe they only started a process and it is not finished yet
21:59.20Stanzilla*shrug*
21:59.22RessyGame design now
21:59.24Gnarfozhe's the Astrylian, the Rawr author
21:59.39Gnarfozif that helps you place him, mentally
21:59.39Gnarfoz:D
21:59.49Gnarfoz-the
22:00.05nevcairielstill seems wow related, and they wanted to push something anyway, so maybe we'll get surprised
22:00.11nevcairielthe push process probably takes a while anyway
22:00.16Gnarfozthey turned off ptr, closed ptr forums, brought up beta forums
22:00.20Stanzillathats what Im saying
22:00.33Stanzillaall signs say yes
22:00.34Gnarfozall within a span of 1 day or 2... still smells like beta hype
22:00.34Gnarfoz:D
22:00.36Stanzillabut so far nothing
22:00.53Gnarfozmaybe they've got the OW style supercrypto going ;)
22:00.54nevcairielps: i cant download overwatch from the b.net client
22:00.57Gnarfoz(doubtful :D)
22:01.01RessyOV files have been up for a while.
22:01.11Gnarfoz...
22:01.37Gnarfozunless they push a fresh build for tomorrow after just pushing one yesterday
22:01.41Gnarfozthere are no new OW files
22:01.45FiskerWhat's OV?
22:01.50Gnarfoza misspelling of OW
22:01.53StanzillaOvervatch
22:01.58FiskerOvervvatch?
22:01.59nevcairieloriginal version, ie. not dubbed
22:02.00nevcairielhides
22:02.08Ressyrough day, cut me slack :(
22:02.12Fisker<3
22:02.13Ressyrough week actually.. fuck this week
22:02.18FiskerI would never cut you Ressy
22:02.23Fiskersame :(
22:02.24Gnarfozfuck it right in the leg
22:02.59Torhalcensors Gnarfoz by turning his blood green.
22:03.13FiskerWas actually looking forward to a likely overwatch beta weekend to unwind but guess I'll just watch jessica jones instead
22:03.28nevcairielhttps://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/667454187475591168
22:03.28Ressyhometime. night
22:03.33GnarfozTorhal: C&C 1 style
22:03.34nevcairielsome weird hyping going on
22:03.50FiskerNever stop bytes nevcairiel
22:03.55Stanzillathey just pushed a d3 ptr build
22:04.02Gnarfozyeah, Celestalon, Setec9 and Lore all stirring the big pot of hype
22:04.03FiskerThe best hype would be to invite people who will actually play nevcairiel
22:04.10Gnarfozalso, Kaivax killed all US servers or something
22:04.13nevcairielFisker: like myself
22:04.18Fiskerindeed
22:04.19GnarfozStanzilla: push ALL the things, I guess :D
22:04.20Fiskerlike myself
22:04.38Gnarfozso I guess I should get OBS ready
22:04.39Gnarfoz:p
22:05.03nevcairielyou already have overwatch, let others in!
22:05.12FiskerOBS?
22:05.21nevcairielstreaming software
22:05.36Fiskerah right
22:05.41Gnarfozwell, Overwatch is down until beta weekend starts
22:05.46FiskerDoesn't really matter though
22:05.48Gnarfozso I get to spam you guys with my ravings
22:06.03nevcairieleven if a beta build comes up now, realms wont be up for a while, likely
22:06.10FiskerSince it was Extended Friends & Family and Twitch Streamers Marketing Beta Hype
22:06.16FiskerAnd not Closed Beta
22:06.45Gnarfozthe fact that you're not in it clearly legitimizes it as a "closed beta"
22:07.41nevcairieldunno, pulling in all the streamers always leaves a bad taste, its a PR move, not a setup to test the game
22:08.21Gnarfoz"all" is a bit much
22:08.34Gnarfozreally does't seem like that many
22:09.01Gnarfozand the pool must be quite small, since I encounter players I've seen before quite regularly
22:09.13Gnarfozwhich is not a thing I'd have expected in a random matchmaking game
22:09.16nevcairielit is, they said so on the blizzcon
22:09.22StanzillaI actually sometimes don't get games
22:09.24Stanzillalike late night
22:09.36Stanzillaalso remember that it is using regions already
22:09.42Stanzillaso testers are split between us eu etc
22:09.45Stanzillawhich is kinda bad
22:09.45Gnarfozyeah, and when you're grouped it's even worse
22:09.55Gnarfozit's the only thing that makes sense for a latency-sensitive game
22:10.26Stanzillayeah dunno
22:10.35StanzillaI dislike their "global" play advertisment
22:10.45Stanzillacan't even have a merged us/eu friends list :(
22:11.10nevcairielimho thats wise, otherwise you would get confusion why you cant play with some of your friends
22:11.31Gnarfozalso, we all know USians are the worst. :p
22:11.49Gnarfozthey must be bored https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/667465152577470464
22:13.23nevcairielwaiting for upload to finish =p
22:18.30GnarfozStanzilla: new G+ again
22:18.40Stanzillayeah I have it too
22:18.42Stanzillasince yesterday
22:18.53Stanzillabut it's actually lacking lots of stuff so I thought about switching back
22:22.27Stanzillalike for example there is no indication of new content
22:22.33Stanzillayou just have to refresh to see
22:22.51Stanzillaand the posting screen does not really adjust the audience, bugs out hardcore
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22:29.54Stanzillahttp://www.engadget.com/2015/11/19/google-to-move-all-of-its-cloud-services-under-one-umbrella/
22:31.20FiskerThat's it Stanzilla I'm converting to widows phone
22:31.31nevcairielsilly beta rumors, now i cant go to sleep without thinking i might miss out =p
22:31.47Fiskerhttp://i.imgur.com/zCKwiN6.png
22:32.03nevcairielheh
22:32.41Stanzilla:D
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22:55.38Stanzillahttp://care.dlservice.microsoft.com/dl/download/C/2/5/C257AD1A-45C1-48F9-B31C-5D37D6463123/10586.0.151029-1700.TH2_RELEASE_SERVER_OEMRET_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO
22:56.48FiskerFinal server release?
22:57.09Stanzillatech preview 4
22:57.13FiskerRude
23:23.59*** join/#wowace dano5 (~dano5@208.79-160-124.customer.lyse.net)
23:45.06FiskerRip Stanzilla http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/11/19/lg-cancels-the-watch-urbane-2nd-edition-lte-indefinitely-because-of-unspecified-complex-hardware-issue/
23:47.37Stanzillayeah I saw

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