IRC log for #wowace on 20151028

00:00.25*** join/#wowace Semlar (~chatzilla@142-196-149-253.res.bhn.net)
00:00.27quiescenswhich can be problematic in a multiuser system with... less carefully written stuffs
00:00.43znfquiescens, sure, but what's different if using a disk image?
00:00.45Primerbecause /dev/shm is memory
00:00.59znfok, /dev/shm is memory, why is a loop device more "secure"?
00:01.14Primerbecause hackers often target /tmp and /var/tmp
00:01.22Primertheir scripts are hard coded for those
00:01.46znfIs there any known exploit when /dev/shm is mounted as /tmp?
00:01.52PrimerI found that I was able to foil hack attempts by having a TMP that apache could write to
00:02.04Primerlike, 15 years ago
00:02.24Primerback when I had a server running PHP as a DSO for various people I know who'd install all sorts of shit
00:02.46Primerinvariably someone would find something that'd execute code, which _always_ targeted /tmp of /var/tmp
00:03.00PrimerBut because those were not writable by the apache user, the hacks failed
00:03.10znfYeah, sure, I know about /tmp.
00:03.15znfThat doesn't explain what I asked
00:03.25PrimerYou kinda lost me at the question though
00:03.33znfwhy would:
00:03.36Primer/dev/shm is tmpfs, which is memory
00:03.41znf/usr/file mounted as /tmp
00:03.43znfbe more secure tham
00:03.49znf/dev/shm as /tmp
00:03.52znfthan*
00:04.26PrimerI can see no reason other than filling up /tmp on a disk won't cause your machine to use up half its memory for crap
00:04.33Primerwhere half its memory is the default for tmpfs
00:04.45znfmost distros limit it out of the box
00:04.49PrimerObviously that can be tuned, but the default is half the memory
00:04.53znftmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,size=3301100k,mode=755)
00:05.01Primerindeed
00:05.05znfso, question remains
00:05.29PrimerWell, imagine your programs getting killed by the oom killer because there's no more memory
00:05.36PrimerNot sure if that qualifies as "security"
00:05.48znfthey label is as "secure tmp"
00:06.03znfso why aren't they just mounting /dev/shm on /tmp as rw,noexec,nosuid ?
00:06.15PrimerPerhaps they're implying that the file doesn't get recycled across boots
00:06.29znfthat's the nature of tmp, it's temporary *shrug*
00:06.38znfshm doesn't get recycled either
00:06.43PrimerWell, it's up to the distro to clean /tmp on reboot
00:06.55PrimerWell, it doesn't by its nature
00:07.03znfor just not care about it because modern distros mount shm as tmp
00:07.14PrimerUhhhh no
00:07.16Primerthey don't
00:07.32znfwho doesn't?
00:07.55PrimerOk, I think you're confusing /tmp, i.e. echo $TMP, with tmpfs
00:08.02Primeror $TEMP
00:08.07znfI'm not confusing them.
00:08.14znfMost modern distros mount /dev/shm as /tmp
00:08.25znfthat's the default setting
00:08.31quiescensi'm pretty sure quite a lot don't default to a ram based /tmp yet
00:08.33znfThey don't care of cleaning /tmp on boot
00:08.43PrimerMine doesn't
00:08.47Primerdrwxrwxrwt. 5 root root 4096 Oct 27 23:36 /tmp
00:08.49quiescens/tmp would then fall under /
00:08.51PrimerHere it's a directory
00:08.58quiescenswhich would mean it most likely allows exec
00:08.59Primer^^^^^^
00:09.06znfbecause on a default install, /tmp would be clean on boot
00:09.11Primersigh
00:09.13quiescensso a script like what you're talking about is probably to make a /tmp that is mounted as noexec
00:09.20Primerand consume a ton of memory
00:09.32Primerusually /tmp is a separate partition mounted with noexec
00:09.41Primernosuid
00:09.43Primeretc.
00:10.05znfyeah, ok, why does cPanel create a disk image and then mounts it as noexec,nosuid on /tmp? :)
00:10.13znfinstead of remounting /dev/shm with those options?
00:10.38Primer1) it doesn't use memory, it uses disk, 2) they're probably lazy and don't feel like "cleaning" /tmp on boot
00:10.49Primerbecause cleaning /tmp on boot takes time
00:10.59Primerif you end up with a shit ton of inodes
00:11.00znfok, let me be even clearer
00:11.03znfthat script is a one-time job
00:11.05PrimerI've actually run into that in the past
00:11.09znfit doesn't get recreated on boot
00:11.14Primerbox was taking forever to boot
00:11.20znfit's created on cPanel install
00:11.24Primerturns out a ton of shit was being written to /tmp at runtime
00:11.31Primerhuge directory structures
00:11.41Primerthat were taking several minutes to delete
00:11.55Primerprobably because there are no partitions available
00:11.58Primerhence, a file
00:12.11Primerthat way it can be mounted noexec,nosuid
00:12.19znfno, they imply that it's more secure that way :P
00:12.22Primerotherwise, you get a directory on /
00:12.28znfand I'm trying to figure out *why* would they make such a claim
00:12.28Primerwhich you can't noexec,nosuid
00:12.34Primersee above
00:12.56znfok, let me be even more clear
00:13.02znfcPanel only runs on RHEL based distros
00:13.12PrimerI have a Centos box
00:13.14znfRHEL based distros come with /dev/shm /tmp by default
00:13.24PrimerMy Centos box doesn't have that
00:13.29Primerand IMO, that's fucking stupid
00:13.30znfwhat centos is that?
00:13.44Primercat /etc/redhat-release
00:13.45PrimerCentOS release 6.7 (Final)
00:14.05znfhmmm, I need to check that
00:14.05Primermount | grep tmp
00:14.06Primertmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
00:14.17Primerls -ld /tmp
00:14.17Primerdrwxrwxrwt. 5 root root 4096 Oct 27 23:36 /tmp
00:14.24Primerit's just a directory off /
00:14.39znfdid you install it fresh on 6.7 or upgraded?
00:14.58PrimerIt's an AWS image
00:15.08znfAh
00:15.21znfdon't they customize that?
00:16.00znfI'm very curious
00:16.09znfbut not as curious as to install 6.7 myself
00:16.14PrimerIf they had put /tmp on tmpfs, I would have been very pissed
00:16.35znfalso, who the fuck had this "great" idea of virtualizing all cpanel installs on their own dedicated boxes
00:16.36znf?!?
00:16.40PrimerThe same is the case on my workstation here, which is Linux Mint 17
00:16.46Primeronly /run is on tmpfs
00:16.52Primer/tmp is a directory under /
00:17.23quiescens/tmp has the potential to be quite large depending on what you use your system for
00:17.26quiescenso.o
00:17.32Primerindeed
00:17.51Primerwhich is why it historically was good to put /tmp on its own partition
00:18.05Primerthat way you wouldn't run the risk of running out of disk space on the root partition
00:18.17Primerbut that was also when disk space was at a premium
00:18.22znfmeh, too lazy too check
00:18.25Primernowadays that's usually not a concern
00:18.34znfnow, question is, who the fuck had this great idea of NOT using a raid disk on the cpanel hosts
00:18.35Primer/dev/sda1                440G  157G  262G  38% /
00:18.49znfnot to mention that they used a dedicated machine for each cpanel host
00:18.52znfbut they virtualized it
00:18.53Primerperhaps you're being virtualized, and the underlying host has raid
00:19.00znfit doesn't
00:19.01Primeror some sort of SAN
00:19.03znfnope
00:19.07znfwe have 3 cpanel servers
00:19.12znfone of them has indeed raid
00:19.15znfon the host
00:19.17znfbut the others don't
00:19.22Primerthat's fail then
00:19.32znfwait, actually, let me check cpw02
00:20.10znfAh.
00:20.14znfSo cpw01 and cpw02 have it
00:20.18znfcpw03 not
00:20.58znf*scratches head*
00:20.59Primerspeaking of raid...
00:21.03znfwow, this is retarded as fuck
00:21.07Primer<PROTECTED>
00:21.19znfwe have 30TB+ free space
00:21.24Primerthis is bullshit, because if I reboot that, it'll sync
00:21.25znfon on zfs pool
00:21.32znfon a*
00:21.37znfand only cpw01 is set to use it
00:21.59znfthe other ones are using a local disk, mounted via nfs (from the host)
00:22.06znfwhat. the. fuck. did. you. drink.
00:22.28PrimerI really just need to replace that machine
00:22.34quiescensi don't think there's that much to gainputting /tmp in ram anyway
00:22.44Primerthere isn't
00:23.07Primerbecause crap that's accessed a lot gets cached anyhow
00:23.08quiescensanything that is intended to be fast, probably doesn't involve any significant writing to a temporary file in the first place
00:23.16Primerand if it doesn't, then that's memory that's not being used
00:23.47PrimerFUUUUUUUUU
00:23.55Primer<PROTECTED>
00:24.08znfshm gets swapped, btw
00:24.24Primerthose are 2 machines I have at home that I've been using as my home development environment
00:24.50quiescenswhat did you break o.o
00:24.52znfwell, how about this, Primer?
00:24.52znfWARNING ZPOOL storage : DEGRADED {Size:24.5T Used:6.37T Avail:18.1T Cap:26% Dedup:1.00x} <raidz2-0:DEGRADED> da1:ONLINE da2:ONLINE da4:ONLINE da5:ONLINE da6:ONLINE da7:ONLINE da8:ONLINE da9:ONLINE da10:ONLINE da11:ONLINE da12:ONLINE 780962665353331231:REMOVED diskid/DISK-%20%20%20%20%20WD-WMAY00061760:ONLINE diskid/DISK-%20%20%20%20%20WD-WMAUR0416404:ONLINE diskid/DISK-%20%20%20%20%20WD-WMAY00058837:ONLINE diskid/DISK-%20%20%20%20%20WD-WMAUR0415405:ONLINE
00:24.52znf<PROTECTED>
00:24.55znfCrap
00:24.56znfthat's long
00:25.01Semlarthat's what she said
00:26.26Primerand that second box is supposed to have a standby
00:26.32PrimerWTF
00:26.33quiescensznf's thingy made irc try to autoignore him
00:26.38quiescens^^
00:26.44znf:-(
00:27.12znfHmmm.
00:27.19znfWait. This box has a 1.5TB hdd
00:27.24znfThe other box has a 1.5TB hdd, too
00:27.25znf:o
00:27.27quiescensgrats?
00:27.45znfI need those HDDs for the storage server who lost 2 HDDs!
00:28.46quiescensi thought i had a strange ping reply, but znf's irc responds twice to 1 ping
00:29.14znfquiescens, well, I have both irccloud and xchat connected to the same znc
00:29.43quiescenswe could totally make znf flood himself off the server
00:30.12znfin other news, I also kind of need the IOPS for SQL
00:30.14znfso, what to do? :-?
00:30.59quiescensscrap everything and rebuild with a cluster of nintendo ds's
00:31.42znfever since Wordpress got popular, it's amazing how much IOPS does MySQL need on a shared hosting system :-/
00:32.14Primerload the db into tmpfs
00:32.15Primerruns
00:32.21znfPrimer, I'd totally do it
00:32.28znfexcept I can't fit 30G in ram :P
00:32.36quiescenswhy not!
00:32.41Primerget more ram
00:32.45znfBecause I only have 32GB on these :(
00:32.55quiescens30 < 32
00:33.34znfmkay, first things first
00:33.41znflet's move the damn backup on the zfs server
00:34.49znfnow, how to nfs allow thingie
00:37.58Primerheh
00:42.12znfmeh, the networking config confuses me
00:43.50quiescensstop breaking things znf
00:43.54znfnah
00:43.55znfI got this
00:47.30znferror: command 'attach-interface' doesn't support option --live
00:47.31znfWell.
00:51.09znfAh, there we go. It worked.
00:58.31quiescensgrats
00:59.03znfmount.nfs: Operation not permitted
00:59.04znfwat
01:12.44Gethecool, i'm apparently in the Overwatch beta
01:12.49sylvanaarcool
01:13.06sylvanaarI want to check it out, but no invite for me yet
01:15.33znflooks at Gethe
01:15.34znfwe hate you
01:15.45quiescensmean o.o
01:15.49Gethe>.>
01:15.51quiescenswhat is an overwatch
01:15.57quiescenspats Gethe
01:16.13sylvanaarA case for a smart watch?
01:16.21sylvanaaris ashamed
01:16.34quiescenspats sylvanaar
01:18.03znfok, can someone explain this? http://i.imgur.com/dTkE0tg.png
01:19.49quiescensso frest install of centos 7 minimal, with instructions to autopartition, still has a standard /tmp as a simple directory under the root partition
01:19.54quiescensi think znf is making things up
01:20.08znfquiescens, maybe I have dreamed about it!
01:20.14znfdon't really care for that at the moment
01:20.57quiescenswho uses nfs these days
01:21.04znfapparently we freakin' do
01:27.02znfThis is stupid.
01:27.27quiescenso.o
01:28.42quiescensi like how you redded out the ip in half the image times and then left the other half
01:29.50znfyeah, totally missed those
01:29.55znfbehind firewall anyway
01:31.07znfI think I just fucked up /etc/exports when I pkg upgraded
01:31.14znfthere's no other way
01:32.01quiescensstop breaking things znf
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01:43.33znfyay
01:43.34znffinally
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02:26.06quiescensgrats
02:59.14znfOct27  11:57 /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/perl /usr/local/cpanel/bin/backup
02:59.16znf*sigh*
02:59.29znfthe backup has been running since yesterday
02:59.34znfit's almost time for a new backup...
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03:53.26quiescensmaybe you will end up with 2 backups running at the same time
03:53.28quiescens\o/
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05:02.32Megalonwhere is mu beta 8(
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06:34.45Reposimplebosswhisperer_continued: 03luckycire * r6 BossStatusWhisperer.toc: fix name for savedVar (not yet used)
06:36.03Reposimplebosswhisperer_continued: 03luckycire * r7 BossStatusWhisperer.lua: fix dndBanner : SBW => BSW
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06:59.28quiescensgives bluipodcow a cookie
06:59.38bluipodcowHmmm
06:59.53bluipodcowJust recovering Irc prefs guys
07:00.36quiescenso.o
07:01.37bluipodcowComputer HD get epartioned
07:02.30bluipodcowGot partitioned rather
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07:06.23quiescens\o/
07:07.25bluspacecow*lick quiescens*
07:08.31quiescenspats blu
07:26.22Megalonyou are now dead
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07:27.16bluipodcowdies like quiescens does
07:34.10quiescens):
07:34.24quiescensres blu
07:40.12bluspacecowyay!
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12:31.32Megalonhttps://twitter.com/marcan42/status/658680772736380928
12:31.36Megalonthere is a manga for everything
12:37.36znfGnarfoz, you look like a guy who has seen touched Windows Server 2012 in his lifetime
12:37.37znfHelp.
12:38.24winklol
12:38.37Kalrothits a trap, say no
12:38.57znfhttp://i.imgur.com/68BkAay.png
12:55.44znfGet-VM is not working
12:55.45znf:(
12:55.50znfservermanager is not working
12:55.55znfhow the hell do I get a list of all VMs?
12:56.20Megaloncount them by hand
12:56.49Megalonone vm, two vm, red vm, blue vm
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13:09.06Phixioncounts Megalon
13:09.26Megalonyou can always count on my, Phixion-san
13:09.32Phixion\o/
13:09.59Phixionlet's team up against Torhal
13:12.50Megalon>8)
13:13.08Phixion:)
13:14.46znfpowershell cmdlets look fuckin' horrible
13:14.54znf"hey, let's put fuckin' dashes in them!"
13:15.00znf"oh, and capitalize every word!"
13:15.09znf...the fuck where you thinking?
13:15.38Phixionuse tab
13:16.16znfI refuse
13:18.46Phixion:|
13:18.56Megalonrude
13:19.02znfI also do it over an iKVM
13:19.03znfso...
13:19.20Phixioncute
13:22.00znfI probably broke it http://i.imgur.com/3Br0zXN.png
13:22.05znfbeen stuck at 68% for a while
13:30.13Phixionhttp://imgur.com/2Qyu6f1 fine for me
13:30.25Phixionalso nice capitalization, right?
13:34.12znfhttp://i.imgur.com/lcedRRb.png
13:34.27znfI don't have get-vm :-|
13:34.27Phixion:(
13:35.46Phixionthats weird tbh, hyper-v cmdlets come with the hyper-v role
13:35.52Phixionat least I think so
13:35.57Phixionmaybe Fisker can confimr
13:36.43znfI do on all other hyperv servers
13:36.46znfjust not on this one, no idea
13:36.55Phixionhttp://blogs.msdn.com/b/robertvi/archive/2012/11/28/hyper-v-powershell-module-not-installed-during-bare-metal-deployment.aspx
13:37.48Phixionif its a node of a hyper-v cluster you could probably just run it on another cluster-node
13:40.19Fiskerhyper-v manager is probably not installed znf
13:40.38znfFisker, I can't even do "servermanager" :(
13:40.52znfPhixion, I don't think it is.
13:41.00znfI honestly don't know anything about Windows Server and Hyper-V
13:41.10znfI was just tasked to find out what VMs we have runnin
13:41.12znff
13:41.12Phixiondont touch it then :)
13:41.13znfrunning
13:41.23znfThere's nobody else that knows it
13:42.11Fiskerare you on a core znf ?
13:42.37Phixionlooks like it
13:43.02Fiskerget-windowsfeature hyper-v* and install it?
13:43.27FiskerApparently Hyper-V-PowerShell
13:43.35FiskerSo Install-WindowsFeature Hyper-V-PowerShell
13:44.20znfthat worked, Phixion
13:44.32znfFisker, I don't know how to answer that question, seriously :(
13:45.06Phixiongreat \o/
13:45.28znfbut thanks
13:51.49Megalondo you guys get a share of znf's paycheck?
13:51.56Megalonand by share i mean 100%
13:52.38Fiskernope
13:53.01Megalonbut you are doing 100% of his work
13:53.04Megalonweird!
13:53.15znfI'm not :(
13:53.52znfthey're not!
13:57.34Phixion:|
14:00.20znfHmm. Interesting.
14:00.28znfThese machines don't reply on their ikvm ip
14:00.31znfBut they're up and running
14:02.19znfwat http://i.imgur.com/HBetNzq.png ?
14:06.31Phixionwhats wat about it
14:06.33Phixion:|
14:08.13znfwhat the hell does it mean?
14:09.17znfoh, using another local forward works
14:09.29Phixionkek
14:10.29Phixionchanged my signature Fisker
14:10.37Phixionim now important
14:10.45Phixionfirst thing, hire Fisker
14:10.49Phixion\o/
14:24.00pompyStanzilla: https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12115670_949801508443795_201369688327073331_n.png?oh=14df19237d4be03155af24270c9c0e27&oe=56C1F04E
14:29.34znfmy keyboard layout stopped working
14:46.22Phixion:|
14:47.34Phixion👻
14:48.17Megalon¿
14:55.19Stanzillahi
14:55.38Phixionhi
14:58.52Megalonhí
15:08.28Phixionhî
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15:14.06PhixionI want that new WSAD drop Gnarfoz :|
15:14.49Phixion> buys shittons of keyboards that meant to work forever
16:13.40silentiumh̃ì
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16:15.31Megalonh¡
16:16.18znf>client has issue with wordpress throwing 500 error when posting
16:16.24znf>check logs, nothing in it about 500
16:16.27znf>disable all plugins
16:16.30znf>posting works
16:16.33znf>enable all plugins
16:16.36znf>posting works
16:16.41znfjustWordpressThings
16:17.39Megalonlook, it's the who doesn't know how to look after his VMs
16:18.15znfbeats Megalon with a hypervisor
16:22.06Megalonyou first have to install it, LOL
16:22.09Megalon8)
16:26.21quiescenso.o
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18:06.34znfHeh https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12189008_10156234087790078_4037916267826997675_n.png?oh=3e8c10768dc29099bc6aff32c6131335&oe=56C29EFC
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18:52.01Gnarfozlooks at Phixion
18:52.07Gnarfozlooks at his WASD V2
18:55.25Phixionsmashes Gnarfoz
18:55.45Phixionmy keyboard fetish is getting out of hand
18:56.00Phixion:|
18:56.07Phixionbut then
18:56.17PhixionI kinda want to get rid of all the ISO boards
18:58.18GnarfozDO EET
18:58.21GnarfozI have
18:58.40Gnarfozlast ISO remaining is in a box in a closet. and even that's a mech. :P
18:59.25Phixion2 here
18:59.29Phixion1 at home :|
18:59.32Phixion1 in datacenter 1
18:59.52Phixionmainly b/c my coworkers are unable to en_US
19:02.34GnarfozI don't control the ISOs; it's a relationship
19:27.44Phixion:)
20:35.29znfchecks his account
20:35.31znfnope, no overwatch :(
20:43.55Stanzillasame
20:51.39znfWhy do hip webapps need to make it so complicated to change the stylesheet when installed locally? :-/
20:52.04Stanzillalet me guess, a sass/less compiler is a problem for you? :D
20:52.16znfno
20:52.27znfthe problem is I have no idea where the hell it loads the main stylesheet from
20:52.40Stanzillalook at the gulp/whatever file
20:53.02znfI don't see gulp thingie
20:53.16znfit's not a format I'm familiar with
20:53.52znfI really hate chrome extensions that are simply a "shortcut"
20:53.57znfor apps that are simply a shortcut
20:53.59znfwtf?
20:55.10Stanzillano gulp/grunt file?
20:55.51znfnope
20:56.09znfoh, some guy made a chrome "app" that is not just a shortcut
20:56.10znfnice
21:39.38Reposimplebosswhisperer_continued: 03luckycire * r9 BossStatusWhisperer.lua:
21:39.38Repoadded a check to ensure PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED event doesn't override expected ENCOUNTER_END event
21:51.03Reposimplebosswhisperer_continued: 03luckycire 041.1.2 * r10 : Tagging as 1.1.2
21:53.42znfpoor Fisker http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-6p-delayed-google-refunds-25-to-make-amends-28412015/
22:00.26znfhttp://officialandroid.blogspot.ro/2015/10/google-play-games-capture-and-share.html
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22:34.54StanzillaFisker: http://www.androidcentral.com/end-apkplz-developers-can-now-schedule-app-updates-and-push-all-once?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=dlvrit
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22:58.32Stanzillahttps://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3qa5or/samsung_magician_48_released/
22:58.36Stanzillathey have download limits? wtf :D
22:58.47nevcairielthey did that on previous releases as well
22:58.56nevcairielstaggered releases to avoid widespread failure
23:01.17Stanzillafirst version with win10 support, I heard
23:10.11nevcairieli got a few BSODs from their speed boost feature, and other than that there is no reason to install it, so i just dont
23:11.45Stanzilla.

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