IRC log for #wowace on 20151020

00:02.13znfI've no idea what licenses we have :-|
00:02.52Gnarfoznot enough, apparently :D
00:06.48znfThis time, migrating it made a booboo
00:06.51PrimerWait, a license violation causes a kernel panic? WTF?
00:07.02znfPrimer, no, unrelated
00:08.08Gnarfozznf: so to summarize, you're saying: don't use this crap, pay for vSphere - did I get that right? :P
00:08.26znfhwo would I know?
00:08.33znfI'd probably manage to break vSphere, too
00:10.08znfI find this stupid: http://i.imgur.com/Il3obCP.png
00:10.54quiescensgo to sleep znf
00:10.57GnarfozI find that... confusing
00:12.25znfwhat's confusign?
00:12.51GnarfozRVMs?
00:13.03Gnarfozwhat unit is that for CPUs?
00:13.12znfRunning VMs
00:13.25Gnarfozah, so it's a host view
00:13.30znfYes
00:13.45Gnarfozwhy are they not part of a cluster
00:13.45Gnarfoz:D
00:14.05znfI've no idea why are there clusters
00:14.15znfand what do they do
00:14.15Gnarfozand the unit question remains... let me guess: it's in UCPUs? :D
00:14.15znfhttp://i.imgur.com/C3cX5Yw.png
00:14.47znfUsed CPU
00:15.31Gnarfozyeah... in what unit, though
00:15.36znfI've no idea
00:15.37Gnarfoz80/800 what
00:15.38Gnarfoz:D
00:15.46GnarfozJiggahertz
00:15.51znfIt has 1 vCPU, so that's the cores that are shown to the VM
00:16.09Gnarfozsure, but that's a host view
00:16.26znfThere's a vm that is using 100% CPU
00:16.31znf99 UCPU
00:16.40znfand it's in kernel panic
00:16.45znf...the storage is not persistend
00:16.48znfpersistent
00:16.57Gnarfozof course, in kernel panic, the cpu is in a spinlock
00:17.11quiescens\o/
00:17.14znfsince 22nd september
00:17.52znfoh, it's pxe booting
00:17.55znfOk...
00:20.00znfwrites his timelog
00:20.14znf"booted in single mode; changed root password; spent 2 hours trying to figure out why it won't boot again"
00:20.34znf"vm booted, no idea why"
00:20.36GnarfozI much prefer this: http://i.imgur.com/9HNhoc3.png
00:23.19znfI bet you do
00:23.52znfThere is another VM running
00:23.52znflike this
00:23.59znfhttp://i.imgur.com/khmE776.png
00:24.00znf...
00:24.02znfwhat. the. fuck.
00:24.17Gnarfozheh, someone stopped the automatic boot timeout
00:24.20Gnarfozand didn't pick anything
00:24.35znfboots VM
00:24.45znfit belongs to the other employee
00:24.49znfI think he did some testing
00:26.36quiescensreboots znf
00:30.27znfnow, it would be nice to have racktables get its data from opennebula
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05:32.35Repolibperiodictable-3-1: 03muffinmanken * r507  (2 files in 2 directories): Updated ClassSpell.*
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07:28.53Phixionmorning peeps
08:14.28nevcairielStanzilla: i have never understood why people like to use Xeons, especially those that are just the same spec as the desktop CPUs, most people are just idiots and think it makes their system better :p
08:16.16Kalrothwhat if i want two CPUs in my desktop? huh? HUH?!!
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08:22.14nevcairiel(and a website that produces a puff-piece on that information alone is not worth reading)
08:22.50nevcairielapparently corporation bashing draws crowds these days
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09:20.38Gnarfoz"Es wird überwiegend von sesshaften ausländischen Mitbürgern benutzt" ... "es gibt keine Hinweise auf einen fremdenfeindlichen Hintergrund"
09:21.25quiescensmoo?
09:25.13Gnarfozanyone else have no menu on the left side on http://geizhals.de?
09:25.56znfGnarfoz, on the first page, no menu, on the product pages, I haz code
09:26.04znfmenu, I mean
09:26.10Gnarfozyeah
09:26.14Gnarfozbleh :(
09:26.30Gnarfozthey probably want to decrease homepage loading time ^^
09:26.59Timmehafter refreshing I do get a menu on the homepage
09:27.14Timmehmaybe they broke it, and now unbroke it
09:27.29znfI haz menu now, too
09:27.30Gnarfozthat doesn't sound as unlikely as itshould
09:27.45znfThey should fragment cache!
09:27.45Gnarfozprobably just caught them in a moment of b0rkedness
09:30.30quiescensyou borked it!
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09:32.05znffound client vps
09:32.09znfno info on it, no payment etc.
09:32.17znfpause vm it is, then
09:32.39quiescensyou're going to break it o.o
09:35.26Phixion:)
09:35.53Phixionsteals quiescens a cookie
09:36.00quiescens\o/
09:37.46Phixion:o
09:39.10Gnarfoznevcairiel: they have ECC support (ok, that's probably not it for most people) and they are quite a bit cheaper than the corresponding i7s - that's the draw
09:39.51Gnarfozalso, they supposedly have a better TIM (not sure if they actually lack the iGPU or if it's just disabled)
09:40.18Phixionhey Gnarfoz
09:40.53GnarfozXeons start at 16,20€/GHz, i7s start at 20,47€/GHz
09:41.18GnarfozPhixion: hay
09:43.58nebulacan't really oc a xeon much, though, yea?
09:48.28Gnarfoznot at all, indeed
09:48.57nebulalooks like just going off turbo clock speeds, price is about the same /ghz
09:49.03Gnarfozbut that's probably not the goal for people who want to save those couple of €
09:49.23Gnarfozeh? clearly not
09:50.10GnarfozI'll put this on my xmas list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_5jN4IIyzM
09:50.26nebulae3-1241 v3 280/3.5 vs i7 4770 309/3.9
09:51.04nevcairielGnarfoz: metal 3d printing ftw :p
09:52.03nevcairieli wonder how durable that material really is
09:52.30nevcairielturbine casing sounds like something that shouldnt fall apart
09:52.31nevcairiel:D
09:52.44Gnarfoznebula: 3.5 is the Xeon's base clock
09:52.50Gnarfoznebula: it has 3.8 turbo
09:52.55nebulaah
09:53.12nevcairiel1241 actually turbos 3.9
09:53.28nevcairielgh
09:53.33Gnarfozand currency differences aside, it's cheaper than that: 1231v3 248€ vs. 4770 303€
09:54.09Gnarfozthat's a over 50€ gap for 100 MHz turbo speed and an iGPU gamers don't use
09:54.10Gnarfoz^^
09:54.24nevcairieland you wonder why intel doesnt want gamers buying these anymore
09:54.25Gnarfoz(well, gamers don't really need hyperthreading...)
09:54.37nevcairielwell maybe not you specifically
09:54.37nevcairiel:D
09:54.43GnarfozI'm rather surprised they let it go on for as long as they have
09:54.56nebulamost of the gamers i know like to stream now and again, so the i7 helps there, but yea
09:54.57nevcairieli have a xeon in my home server
09:55.08Gnarfozthey could use the quicksync enco... oh wait.
09:55.08Gnarfoz:D
09:55.30Gnarfozbut both nvidia and amd offer that in-gpu, so meh.
09:55.31nevcairielwith nvidias 70% market share, they can just use nvenc
09:56.04Gnarfozwhere do I get my torch for the angry mob re: GeForce experience/sign-up-for-drivers bullshit? ^^
09:56.15nevcairieltorches are out
09:56.31nevcairielalso what do i care, i have that thing installed anyway
09:56.35Gnarfozpitchforks?
09:56.49GnarfozI don't - and don't you still need to register? ^^
09:57.04nevcairieli'm way too busy to get excited about some theoretical annoyance that never affects me
09:57.20nevcairieli am registered because it gave me a free witcher3 a couple months ago!
09:57.33znfI still haven't redeem my free game
09:57.40nevcairiel(and it doesnt even want any information o ther than a mail address)
09:58.36znfI'm too lazy to go check for my voucher code in the box that the gpu came in
09:58.44znfwonder if it's still valid
09:59.03nevcairielthey did it entirely online for me, and after the fact too, purchased gpu a couple weeks earlier, still get game later
10:00.50Gnarfozhttp://www.vivox.com/company/company.html "Vivox is the leading provider of voice chat for gamers." -- no you're fucking not?
10:01.17nebulamarketing doesn't need to be true :p
10:01.30nevcairieldoesnt every company have such a line somewhere
10:03.28Gnarfozthey usually try to explain their reality perception filter to you, though
10:03.53GnarfozI wonder what these guys offer that Mumble doesn't
10:04.48nevcairielmore money
10:04.49nevcairiel:D
10:04.59nebulaeasy tie in for the game you're playing? people are lazy
10:06.05nebulai wouldn't mind being able to talk with random groups in dungeons or pugs without having to using external programs
10:07.05nebulause* not to mention voice chat in hots
10:07.51Gnarfozeh?
10:08.07GnarfozI meant what does it offer compared to integrating Mumble instead
10:08.27Gnarfozor TeamSpeak, if they want to throw money at someone to do it for them
10:08.36nebulaa code base that is designed to be integrated in a game?
10:09.01GnarfozTeamSpeak explicitly has that
10:09.17GnarfozMumble might not, but it's open source anyway, so have at it :D
10:09.26nebulawhat game has used ts for ingame comms?
10:09.37Gnarfozsome american army thing, I think
10:09.53Gnarfozhttp://www.teamspeak.com/teamspeak3sdk
10:10.19Gnarfozhm that page used to look different
10:10.40nevcairielthey probably dont use mumble because its open-source
10:11.11Gnarfozthat'd be a shame, they already use quite a bit of open source in the BDA
10:11.37nevcairielbut with whatever other software, they can just throw money at that other company
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10:13.58nevcairielthats usually how companies think anyway
10:14.01nevcairielif thats blizzards reasoning
10:14.11nevcairielmy guess is that this vivox company approached them
10:15.41Gnarfoznot unthinkable
10:15.57Gnarfoz"hey you've got a defunct voice chat functionality nobody uses, want to change that?" ^^
10:16.27nevcairielat this point its just speculation anyway
10:16.29GnarfozVivox's C3 client behaves very oddly
10:16.39Gnarfozkeeps respawning its own window
10:16.40nevcairieldatamined info from a client build
10:16.50Gnarfozmakes it kind of hard to register an account
10:17.13Gnarfozbut even if I manage to fill all fields, it doesn't work because it hasn't heard of proxy servers
10:17.15Gnarfoz:D
10:19.04nevcairielsounds like fun
10:21.59quiescenswho uses proxy servers these days
10:22.08GnarfozI might hate web hipsters as much as the next guy, but at least Discord seems to work very well https://discord.gg/0T2WXI1aWcRT5MOB ;p
10:22.16Gnarfozquiescens: companies
10:23.13GnarfozI guess I should have used the text channel invite, I don't have a headset hooked up right now :P https://discord.gg/0T2WXI1aWcRgISa9
10:25.07winklooks nice
10:25.15winkmeeting time now tho. (not with you)
10:25.40Gnarfozit's amazing how many iOS users complain about not being able to join TS servers... I'd not have expected a userbase there
10:25.55nevcairieliOS is everywhere now
10:26.08Gnarfozwink: it's basically Slack with voice, in the cloud? :D at least that's what it looks like
10:26.46Gnarfozas usual, the thread consists of one of the dumb ts3 forum monkeys repeating that it's Apple's fault
10:27.13Gnarfozinstead of pointing out to them that they could ask their server provider to lower the required minimum version for their "business critical" TeamSpeak needs
10:28.53Gnarfozwait what
10:29.02Gnarfozhttps://www.facebook.com/raidcall/posts/1020133634685772 RaidCall went Russian-only? ;D
10:29.36nevcairielthe 5 users will be sad
10:31.35nebulawonder how curse voice is doing
10:32.50Gnarfozit probably absorbed 3 of the 5 RaidCall users so it's now at 4 users
10:36.46nevcairielone would think the voice landscape is already saturated
10:36.55nevcairielbut so many alternative cloud services popping up
10:37.45Gnarfozthat's why each of them has about 5 users
10:38.12nevcairielraidcall is apparently used by russians
10:38.16nevcairielbut russians are weird anyway
10:38.58nevcairielits probably a russian company
10:39.50znfSo, I've already consulted with 4 people, and we haven't figured this out, client wants a new server: http://i.imgur.com/IUKacUw.png
10:39.57znfWhat do you make of those partitioning requirements?
10:40.01znfBecause I'm confused as fuck
10:41.25nevcairielonly thing that confuses me is how you would pull that off without lvm
10:41.40nevcairielunless that controller can do more magic than i'm aware of
10:44.39Gnarfoz5805 is a powerful raid controller, two puny RAID 10 virtual disks should not be a problem? :p
10:45.11nevcairieli dont have much experience with such controllers, can it produce virtual volumes like that?
10:45.18Gnarfozyes
10:45.21Gnarfozznf: what's confusing you, in particular?
10:45.24znfAh
10:45.29znfok, that makes sense, then!
10:45.38znfdidn't know the controller was magic!
10:46.02Gnarfozcreate 1 raid10 array, 2 virtual drives on it, the first 100 GB in size, partition it according to their list; second VD %rest and leave as is ^^
10:46.14Gnarfozat least that's how I read it
10:46.26znfWell, now that makes sense.
10:46.32znfBut I've asked 4 people already and they were all "wtf?"
10:46.38znfDidn't know the controller is magic!
10:46.45Gnarfozthey were probably thrown off by "CentOS 5.x"
10:46.46Gnarfoz^^
10:47.04znfthat too
10:47.09znfI'm like... what year is this?
10:47.15znfbut oh well, if he wants that *shrug*
10:47.16nevcairieli never used such an advanced raid controller, many of the smaller ones just let you create raid arrays and expose them as a single drive, no virtual volumes
10:49.19Gnarfozznf: well, if it's to expand an existing installation of some kind, staying within the same version makes sense
10:49.26Gnarfoz(which is about the only scenario I can think of)
10:49.45Gnarfozintersting, battery-backed cache without actual batteries
10:50.28Gnarfozznf: they also want a Sandy Bridge Xeon, apparently ;D
10:50.38znfyeah, I've no idea...
10:50.41znfthey already have one of those
10:50.46znfguess they want the same thing
10:51.04Gnarfozthey probably just copy-pasted the specs from whenever they first ordered it
12:05.14Gnarfozlol, our Windows guys have to deal with this http://blogs.technet.com/b/outlooksupportjp/archive/2015/09/04/attachment-file-name-are-renamed-to-other-attached-file-name-from-sending-outlook-2010.aspx
12:16.45znfGnarfoz, how the hell does that happen?
12:21.18Phixionisn't this in the article? :]
12:21.21nebulahow the hell does any software bug happen? someone fucked up somewhere
12:21.31znfNo, I mean
12:21.34znfthat is highly specific
12:21.36znfHow the hell?
12:22.01nebulaa filename is just a label on a bit of encoded data, somehow the indexes get fucked up
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12:47.55Gnarfozoff by one errors!
12:48.26Gnarfozit's not great when you use email to distribute reports to people and suddenly they're all mixed up
12:48.52Phixiondont distribute anything to anyone by mail
12:48.55Phixionez2fix
12:48.58Gnarfozin other news Fujitsu just called me within 4 minutes of two of our servers complaining about power redundancy failing, that was fast
12:49.23Gnarfozso fast that they didn't notice power was restored a second later, but anyway
12:49.28Gnarfozawesome response time
12:49.39Phixionnice
12:50.29Phixionfujitsu tho :)
12:57.31Gnarfozapparently not a bad thing! :D
12:57.54Gnarfoz(granted, I haven't looked into their servers since we only have two, and they're appliances, so no touchy touchy)
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13:05.13PhixionI see
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13:16.35Gnarfozvery Dell, much server, wow ;-)
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14:31.39znfNice
14:31.43znfLet's try out letsencrypt
14:38.43Stanzillamy video already has 28k views
14:38.44Stanzillanice
14:45.50nebulawhat video?
14:46.23Xinhuanif i have to guess, its a video where he kills a wow boss
14:48.34Stanzillanah, guide to the terky cave
14:48.36nevcairielhe probably refers to him showing how to find that pet
14:48.55Stanzillahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itz3Ocm2VxE
14:49.16nebuladmca'd
14:49.29Stanzillanope
14:50.54Stanzillaeven did it without music so it doesnt get banned in some weird country like mine
14:51.19Xinhuani tried to find fault with the video but there was no music :P
14:51.31nevcairielcould've sung something for us
14:52.05nevcairielwhats with your life bar doing stupid shit while you fly around anyway
14:54.59Stanzillayeah I have no idea it happens sometimes
14:55.02StanzillaI always blamed phasing
14:55.35nevcairielsomething like that happens to me too sometimes, but it just instantly goes up and down a moment
14:55.42nevcairielyours slowly fills again
14:55.48nevcairielor thats just your addon being weird
14:56.04Stanzillathat is pitbull yeah
14:59.32FiskerI wish I had a mac Stanzilla
14:59.33nevcairielisnt such a slow animation kind of annoying when raid healing or something
14:59.42nevcairielor is it only on the player frame
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15:11.08znfStanzilla, fuck your annotation
15:11.18Stanzillawhy
15:11.25Stanzillanevcairiel: only player
15:12.10StanzillaFisker: same actually
15:12.23znfI want Legion Alpha
15:19.45nevcairielTwo weeks until BC, afterwards it might get more likely
15:21.43Stanzillahttps://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3phaw6/nexus_6p_has_a_hardware_fuse_that_blows/
15:21.44Stanzillalol
15:23.09nevcairielMakes some kind of sense to protect Android pay with such a thing, wouldn't want a compromised phone to handle your money
15:25.31Stanzillayes exactly
15:27.09FiskerNexus 6 had that as well anyway
15:27.28FiskerMaybe not qfuse but something similar
15:27.55FiskerThere's nothing wrong in being able to see the device has been unlocked
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16:53.58Stanzillahttp://twitter.com/JoannaStern/status/656511254383583232/photo/1
16:53.59Stanzillalold
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17:26.35znfpoor Stanzilla https://code.google.com/p/android-developer-preview/issues/detail?id=2657
17:27.01Stanzillaznf: why me?
17:27.28znfBecause
17:27.39Stanzillaok
17:30.01Fiskerhey Stanzilla
17:30.02Fiskere
17:30.02Fiskery
17:30.12FiskerAre you hating on dark material?
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17:34.46Stanzillanope
17:34.48Stanzillajust not caring much
17:36.46Fiskerhater
17:36.49Fiskersorry
17:38.26Stanzillanope
17:38.27Stanzillanot sorry
17:39.28Megaloncareless motherfucker
17:41.08quiescensgo to sleep
17:41.11FiskerI'm definitely sorry Stanzilla
17:55.47Reporarity: 03allara 04r477-release * r478 : Tagging as r477-release
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19:42.44Stanzillanebula: next atom beta will come with node v4 btw
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21:13.28Stanzilla@WarcraftDevs: There's no hard weekly cap this time around, but at some point you will run out of Valor-awarding activities. https://t.co/o3poNHlRfZ
21:23.41nevcairielI suppose of you have run all mythic once and every lfr wing and whatnot
21:24.23Stanzillaand arena skirmish
21:24.56Stanzillahttp://ptr.wowhead.com/currency=1191/valor
21:28.10nevcairielThat's just the weekyl event
21:30.50nevcairielI assume that on top of those every loot eligible mythic dungeon kill (or maybe only final boss) will also give valor, but only loot eligible to limit it
21:41.03Stanzillayes
21:57.21nevcairielare they cutting out some of the weekly events then
21:57.23nevcairiellike pet battles
21:57.39nevcairieland mythic dungeons
21:59.31Stanzillano but you cant calculate all of them ine, only one
21:59.40Stanzillaso you end up with 1425 per week
21:59.50nevcairielobviously
21:59.55nevcairielbut they are not in that list
21:59.59nevcairielso they dont reward valor
22:00.03nevcairielor they got removed
22:00.19Stanzillawell first ptr build
22:00.22Stanzillawon't be that complete
22:00.25Stanzillalet's wait and see
22:00.33nevcairielpet battle event is dumb anyway
22:00.45nevcairielbe glad if it goes away and gets replaced by cata timewalking
22:03.45Megalon:(
22:03.57Megalonhey nev, wanna do the timewalk again?
22:08.19PrimerAnd...facebook showed me the score of the champion's league game I'm recording...
22:15.37Stanzillabayern lost
22:16.53Primeryes, thanks for confirming that
22:27.46Stanzillayw
23:38.33znfUhm
23:38.35znfI lost a VM
23:38.40znfhow the fuck does that happen
23:41.47znfthink I found it back
23:54.15Stanzillagj
23:54.51znflet that be a lesson, migrating VMs doesn't really work
23:54.57znfexcept sometimes
23:54.58znfmayeb

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