IRC log for #wowace on 20151010

00:21.40znfyou changed ISP?
00:21.41znfor what?
00:33.13TorhalVPN
01:02.26znfcool
01:03.01znfSendy.co looks nice
01:12.00znfTorhal, I bought some menthol juice!
01:15.40Torhalznf: Any good?
01:15.52znfwell, actually I bought flavoring
01:15.54znfso I'm mixing it now
01:17.02TorhalAh
01:17.16znfbuying juice is too freakin' expensive
01:17.19TorhalI hear that's a bitch to mix due to the fact that it crystalizes so easily.
01:17.40znflike $3/10ml O.O
01:17.51znfI can make 100ml for something like $7
01:20.42TorhalWTF
01:20.57znf?
01:21.07Torhal$3/10ml?
01:21.15znfyeah
01:21.36znfanywhere from 12 RON to 20 RON for 10ml, the "well known" brands like Liqua
01:21.39znffuck that shit
01:22.01Torhal$0.50/1ml is about average here.
01:22.26znfplus, they're mostly PG juices
01:22.26znfso, ew
01:23.39znfI see these guys I usually buy my flavorings from have made their own brand
01:23.43znf$9/30ml
01:25.33znfso, apparently, that law taxing nicotine juices has passed
01:27.42znfand I'm a dumb fuck, I forgot to buy more VG, I bought just a bottle of PG...
01:47.27Stanzilla^^^^^^^^
01:50.46FiskerHey Stanzilla
01:51.01Stanzillahi
01:51.33FiskerHi
01:51.40Shirikhi
01:54.43FiskerNot you Shirik
01:54.50Shirik:<
02:10.07Fisker<3 though Shirik
02:10.25ShirikFisker: I have no idea what I'm doing
02:10.33Fiskerit's ok
02:10.39FiskerMe neither
02:10.41Fiskerhey Parnic
02:10.46ShirikI successfully blowed it up though https://i.gyazo.com/ad7edd3c68fe6da2a0fbba99e540c17f.png
02:10.46FiskerBattleborn beta soon \o/
02:11.37Fiskerbut that's a manually initiated crash
02:11.45Shirikyes I was trying to prove the debugger was working
02:11.56Shirikso I guess I know about 1% of what I'm doing
02:12.31FiskerD:
02:13.31Parnichey fisker
02:13.39Parnicif you don't get in, let me know. but i think they're letting everyone in
02:13.45Fiskerhey
02:13.51FiskerI didn't get in
02:13.54Fisker*whistles*
02:13.59Parnicmmhmm
02:21.00StanzillaParnic: have you worked on battleborn?
02:21.06Stanzilla(first time I hear about it btw)
02:22.53Parnici have not
02:23.10Parnicwell, i've done miniscule amounts of work to help them out with this or that
02:23.13Parnicbut i have never been on the project
02:23.40Stanzillaok
02:23.44Stanzillalooks a bit like overwatch
02:23.48Stanzillabut the e3 trailer was cool
02:24.06Parnicwe announced first. just sayin. :P
02:24.13Stanzilla:D
02:29.07StanzillaParnic: did you watch this yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zTi4S_KG-M
02:29.10Stanzillahas pretty cool stuff
02:29.48Stanzillathe compile time wins are probably huge for big games
02:30.39Parnicno but we had a coder at cppcon
02:31.04Parnicwe're about to switch to vs2015 for our next game as soon as the IT stuff can get worked out. don't know that we're using clang for windows just yet, but we use clang for ps4 since that's all sony offers
02:31.56Stanzillathe clang stuff is not really ready yet anyway, but he talks about vs2015 general improvements, too
02:31.58Stanzillaand nice
02:32.37Stanzillathat's probably a huge undertaking with all the libraries you probably use
02:33.00Parnicit was, but we were motivated to make it happen :)
02:33.09Parnicwell, it was mostly one guy that did it because he really _really_ wanted to
02:33.31Stanzillahow long did it take him?
02:34.02Parniche worked on it slowly over the course of a few weeks/months i think, back when the RCs were released
02:35.33Stanzillaon his free time?
02:35.49Parnicon work time, between tasks
03:19.45Stanzillathat continuum ending was kinda sad
03:24.13Fiskerhey Stanzilla
03:24.48FiskerParnic I think Battleborn 2 looks a bit like Battleborn
03:25.56FiskerI don't want all these hotkeys for various overlays
03:25.58Fiskerand my eyeeeeees
03:30.29znftouches Fisker
03:30.40FiskerDon't touch me
03:36.57Fiskertired
03:37.02FiskerParnic
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03:59.11TorhalI think Fisker has a bit of a crush on Parnic.
03:59.58FiskerNo Torhal
04:00.06FiskerI have a crush on somebody else
04:00.06TorhalYou sure?
04:00.09TorhalOh.
04:00.57Fisker^^
04:04.17FiskerWhy do they use iPhone 4's Stanzilla ?
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21:44.10Stanzillahttp://forum.teamspeak.com/showthread.php/120755-SECURITY-UPDATE-TeamSpeak-3-Client-3-0-18-1-is-Available
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21:59.52Gnarfoznevcairiel: http://i.imgur.com/CuV4s0x.png why is there no slider for front left/right? are the others implicitly relative to front l/r?
22:03.33nevcairielthats only for downmixing, front l/r is always at 100%, t he factors are for how strong the others are mixed on top of the front channels
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22:03.59Gnarfozso I want to put center to 100% if I want to understand any dialogue? ^^
22:04.41nevcairielthe default is energy neutral
22:04.46nevcairielbut some people like boosting it slightly
22:04.52Gnarfozenerwhat :o
22:05.08Gnarfozhow is 70% neutral
22:06.02Gnarfozor is this per result channel
22:07.33Gnarfozi.e. with the settings in my screenshot I'll end up with L=100% L + 80% C + 75% SL + 20% LFE and R=(the same) resulting in a sum of >100% for some of the "ingredients"?
22:08.25Gnarfozcurses the intense need to understand everything :D
22:09.26GnarfozStanzilla: did you try if the exploit is really as simple as the poster on the second page suggests?
22:09.35Stanzillano
22:11.37nevcairielGnarfoz: its per channel yes, duplicating a channel into two doubles its power, wh ich is a 3dB increase, to compensate for that its 0.71 for energy neutral
22:12.15GnarfozI see
22:12.26Gnarfozthat's horribly not-obvious from the dialog. :D
22:19.29StanzillaGnarfoz: that poster was saying "please dont let it be as simple as.." btw
22:19.51Gnarfozyes
22:19.57Gnarfozwhich is a question, not a statement :D
22:21.21Repohandynotes_treasurehunter: 03Kemayo 07master * v8-15-gd011fa2 Treasure.lua: [+1 commit] Had currencyid down in itemid slot in some Tanaan treasures
22:21.46Stanzillawell the devs already said no
22:21.48Stanzillaso no need to test
22:25.05Gnarfozmeh, post edited precisely when I asked you that
22:25.27Gnarfozwasn't there when I asked :P
22:26.09Gnarfozalso to call that guy of all people a dev is pushing it. :D we both know he's just the resident forum asshole there
22:28.37GnarfozGAH
22:30.37GnarfozTIL "Dolby Stereo" is not "Stereo" (in the sense that it's not 2.0)
22:33.15Gnarfozdo I even want "Matrix encoding"? is there a point if I'm listening to it on headphones anyway?
22:34.06GnarfozPro Logic seems to be for getting discrete channels back out of 2-channel audio, but... my listening device only has two channels to begin (or rather, end) with
22:34.15Gnarfozaudio options be confusing
22:34.37Gnarfozalso, trying to adjust sliders on the screenshot vs. the actual window... go me
22:39.21Gnarfozsigh, this stuff needs some kind of profile sytem... switching from "use 5.1 speakers" to "use headphones attached to the TV, so need to downmix to stereo and pass through HDMI" requires a dozen changes in at least 3 places :P
22:40.45Gnarfoz(not to mention "watching stuff using apps on the TV itself with audio on the 5.1 speakers" which I haven't solved, yet)
22:42.04Gnarfoznevcairiel: are the 2 additional surround channels in 7.1 also controlled by the "surround" slider? I just realized I should probably set that up so 7.1 gets downmixed to 5.1 :|
22:42.18nevcairieli think so
22:42.25Gnarfoz(...what happens if I don't? do they get discarded?)
22:43.07nevcairielnot by LAV
22:43.10nevcairielwindows might also downmix
22:44.53nevcairielmore evil is 6.1
22:44.56GnarfozI guess the power neutrality thing is also why using MPC-HCs custom channel mapping matrix thing to achieve 2.0 -> 5.1 upmix results in distortion on the subwoofer and center channels
22:45.07Gnarfozit doesn't offer any level controls
22:45.11nevcairielwindows doesnt handle that properly so if you dont downmix that, you usually lose all surround channels
22:45.19Repohandynotes_treasurehunter: 03Kemayo 04v9 * c68960f /: [new tag] Tagging v9
22:45.40GnarfozI don't think I have any 6.1 stuff; but LAV has an option to expand 6.1 to 7.1, so that should cover that? ;)
22:46.27nevcairielthats what its for
22:46.33nevcairielbut if you setup mixing anyway
22:46.42nevcairielthen its not really required
22:47.53Gnarfozso mixing enabled, output set to 5.1 and feeding it 5.1... will result in a in=out situation?
22:48.30nevcairielyes it will bypass mixing then
22:48.32Gnarfozon less thing to toggle when switching around^^
22:48.58nevcairielnote that it wont upmix, it'll create extra silent channels, but not fill them with imaginary audio
22:49.48Gnarfozyeah, I think you said that before
22:50.02Gnarfozcould probably change that label to "Downmix" vs. just "Mixer"? :P
22:50.59Gnarfozhmm anyway, now that you mentioned Windows/audio drivers also possibly downmixing... I guess I could just leave it as is, since "audio to TV" and "audio to speakers" are two different output devices anyway
22:51.09Gnarfozand the TV advertises as 2 channels
22:51.28Stanzillawow Gnarfoz
22:51.46Stanzillaall the fuzz for a bit of audio
22:52.01Gnarfozbut that's horrible, because it's straight up in "who the hell knows what happens" territory :P
22:52.47GnarfozStanzilla: for being Mr. Nitpicker himself, you sure don't give a crap about quality, do you
22:52.56Stanzilla:D
22:53.12StanzillaI do but not with my 35 euro headphones
22:53.47Gnarfozeven 35€ headphones would allow you to miss 2 channels out of a 6-channel mix :(
22:54.02Gnarfozor have dialog hard to understand because center channel has the wrong level
22:54.07Gnarfozetc
22:54.29StanzillaI had that issue
22:54.34Stanzillanever knew it was about the center channel
22:54.35Gnarfozmy point being: it's awesome that there's enough options to be certain it's set up right, but for that, I have to understand it, too
22:54.38Stanzillanever investigated either
22:54.54Gnarfozvs. just winging it and relying on some black box (Windows mixer) that might or might not do what I want
22:55.21Gnarfozmaybe I should just get a Mac~
22:55.24Gnarfoz:D
22:57.16Stanzillayou don't know how often I thought about doing that
22:57.25Stanzillathen I think of the games and just nope out
22:59.58nevcairielMac is terrible for multimedia
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23:02.43StanzillaFisker: urmagurt http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/google-dialer-new/google-dialer-2-2-android-apk-download/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
23:03.07Stanzillalitterally nothing new
23:06.16Gnarfoznevcairiel: don't tell that to all the content producers using them :D
23:07.10GnarfozI guess one day I'll post a big questionairre in a "fix my setup" thread somewhere ;p
23:07.22Gnarfozso many options, so many parts
23:09.24GnarfozLAV has nice tooltips in some places, but others have none whatsoever :|
23:10.11nevcairielwell for producers its fine i guess if your tools run on that
23:10.25nevcairielbut i wo uld never pick it as a playback OS
23:10.47Gnarfozby now, I've kind of forgotten what I wanted to watch next, :D
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23:21.47Reposilver-dragon: 03Kemayo 07master * v3.1.5-12-gec8ce75 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
23:21.48Repoec8ce75: Tooltips: mention if quest-flag is known and completed
23:21.48Repo200165c: Hellbane
23:23.17Stanzillagasp
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23:48.06Gnarfozy u gaspin, bro
23:57.57Repokuinameplates-offtank: 03michaelspain * r3 Kui_Nameplates_OffTank.lua:
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