| 00:20.53 | Gnarfoz | thanks rngjesus |
| 00:21.02 | Gnarfoz | first room in my t8 rift, goblin pack and... 2 waller elite packs |
| 00:21.53 | Gnarfoz | not to mention it being the first room, I wasn't even fully buffed up, yet ;( |
| 00:31.00 | Gnarfoz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2MZzIhjlpY |
| 00:34.18 | Gnarfoz | gotta nope out of this rift because Furnace just dropped \o/ |
| 00:35.25 | Stanzilla | gz |
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| 00:46.03 | Gnarfoz | getting close to those 1B crits |
| 00:46.34 | Gnarfoz | also, could I stop getting more Raekor's and Wastes set pieces? I'd like some IK, please |
| 00:47.55 | Stanzilla | reforge them |
| 00:48.04 | Stanzilla | set recipe is there for a reason :D |
| 00:48.14 | Gnarfoz | way too much mats |
| 00:48.17 | Stanzilla | also 1B, you do 14B with good hota gear |
| 00:48.18 | Stanzilla | :o |
| 00:48.27 | Gnarfoz | I'm paragon 187, leave me alone :D |
| 00:48.44 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 00:48.46 | Stanzilla | sorray |
| 00:50.19 | Gnarfoz | is there any particular reason I'd want to go to the cow level? |
| 00:50.27 | Gnarfoz | there was a bardiche in this pile of stuff |
| 00:50.44 | nebula169 | it's lots of exp, other than that, not really |
| 00:50.53 | Gnarfoz | fair enough |
| 00:51.32 | Gnarfoz | sword and board HFA |
| 00:51.35 | Gnarfoz | yes... useful |
| 00:53.19 | Stanzilla | we usually do a cow level between greater rifts to get the xp buffs from the shrines and pools |
| 00:53.26 | Stanzilla | because there are a lot there |
| 00:54.22 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I heard about that |
| 00:54.44 | Gnarfoz | I guess I should have kept a pair of Gloves of Worship in item form :| only extracted the power and I can't really switch out the HotA bracers |
| 00:55.00 | Gnarfoz | oh, I do have one pair in my +gold set :D |
| 00:58.10 | Gnarfoz | wait, that doesn't work like that anymore? :| |
| 01:07.20 | Megalon | hm |
| 01:08.17 | Stanzilla | what do you mean |
| 01:08.22 | Stanzilla | also gold is useless :D |
| 01:09.01 | Gnarfoz | equip gloves, click shrine, equip regular gloves |
| 01:09.07 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 01:09.13 | Stanzilla | have to keep them on |
| 01:09.30 | Gnarfoz | well, see above, wtb more IK pieces. ;p |
| 01:09.53 | Repo | prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r977 (2 files in 2 directories): Added tag 3.5.20 for changeset 9d3c90c9bbef |
| 01:09.54 | Repo | Missing commit |
| 01:10.02 | Gnarfoz | not the weapon, though, arrgh :D what a waste |
| 01:10.04 | Gnarfoz | ancient, too |
| 01:12.17 | znf | you clipsin'? |
| 01:12.31 | Gnarfoz | right, that's about now |
| 01:12.34 | Gnarfoz | better get outside |
| 01:12.42 | znf | <Stanzilla> also 1B, you do 14B with good hota gear |
| 01:12.44 | znf | O.o |
| 01:12.50 | znf | I do 15mil crits :-/ |
| 01:13.01 | Megalon | poor znf >:D |
| 01:14.00 | Stanzilla | poor znf |
| 01:14.06 | Stanzilla | moon thingy looks boring so far |
| 01:14.08 | Stanzilla | just black shadow |
| 01:14.32 | znf | I'll go get dressed and go out |
| 01:17.14 | znf | Gotta go to a place where's not much light pollution |
| 01:17.27 | Gnarfoz | at least that's possible for you |
| 01:17.27 | znf | And mess with my phones settings to try to take a picture! |
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| 01:39.07 | Megalon | freenode trying to get rid of them lowbobs 8) |
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| 01:39.49 | znf | Oh |
| 01:40.00 | znf | The Eclipse is in another hour |
| 01:40.04 | znf | God damn it |
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| 01:58.38 | znf | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HdQjQYZT/20150928_045735.jpg |
| 02:01.36 | Megalon | nice try to cover up your vertical video syndrome |
| 02:23.45 | Stanzilla | Kesava |
| 02:23.55 | Kesava | yes |
| 02:24.02 | Stanzilla | can you heal my cat please |
| 02:24.20 | Kesava | put of line of sight |
| 02:24.23 | Kesava | o* |
| 02:24.35 | Megalon | kesava is a mechanic? |
| 02:26.15 | Stanzilla | I have no idea what's wrong with him, we tried everything, yet he keeps puking and has diarroe all the time :< |
| 02:26.17 | Stanzilla | so sad |
| 02:26.46 | Megalon | :< |
| 02:28.35 | Semlar | diet |
| 02:29.38 | Semlar | allergy |
| 02:33.23 | Stanzilla | we already switched to some super special food |
| 02:33.29 | Stanzilla | and yeah allergy to what though? |
| 02:33.39 | Semlar | a food allergy |
| 02:33.44 | Semlar | how old is the cat |
| 02:33.51 | Semlar | and how long has it been like this |
| 02:35.11 | Stanzilla | he's around 16 and has had this for...a few years, only been *that* bad the last 2 though |
| 02:35.44 | Stanzilla | and he already gets low allergen food :< |
| 02:36.00 | Semlar | hmm could be chronic kidney failure or IBS |
| 02:36.25 | Stanzilla | I read that, too.. |
| 02:36.35 | Semlar | 16 is getting up there |
| 02:37.05 | Stanzilla | don't mention it |
| 02:37.32 | Stanzilla | and IBS sounds more likely because he sometimes just farts a little out, not really much |
| 02:38.05 | Stanzilla | basically this "In some cases, a cat will have frequent bowel movements wherein they pass only small amounts of diarrhea" |
| 02:39.27 | Semlar | i guess it's actually IBD |
| 02:39.43 | Stanzilla | now idea how though |
| 02:39.45 | Semlar | slightly different |
| 02:39.47 | Stanzilla | he has like 0 stress |
| 02:40.09 | Semlar | it's caused by an inflammation of the intestine |
| 02:41.39 | Semlar | they have to do an intestinal biopsy to test for it |
| 02:42.57 | Stanzilla | that sounds like surgery |
| 02:43.21 | Semlar | just a snip |
| 02:43.44 | Semlar | not sure what all that would end up costing |
| 02:44.29 | Stanzilla | http://files.dvm360.com/alfresco_images/DVM360/2013/11/18/d6ad38e9-0a69-48df-b531-8f44f74a5095/i1.jpg |
| 02:44.38 | Stanzilla | that looks like an open cat, not like a snip though :E |
| 02:44.46 | Semlar | they can do it with an endoscope |
| 02:46.29 | Semlar | either way, they're taking a chunk out of the intestine to examine it |
| 02:47.27 | Semlar | and even if you know what the problem is i don't know if you can do much about it |
| 02:58.30 | Fisker | hey Ressy |
| 02:59.02 | Megalon | woh woh woh, someone has been heyed, call an ambulance |
| 03:01.26 | Stanzilla | Semlar: well I don't know. the puking is too sporadic |
| 03:01.34 | Stanzilla | it's mainly diarroe |
| 03:02.08 | Stanzilla | I only got super scared because he puked 3 times today and could not even hold water down, puked gall slime at the end |
| 03:03.28 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
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| 14:20.41 | nevcairiel | how dare that website claim apple has more money than me |
| 14:22.01 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 14:37.27 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Knowledge Base / Policy / Project Acceptance Policy - http://www.wowace.com/wiki/knowledge-base/policy/project-acceptance-policy/ |
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| 14:53.46 | Gnarfoz | dat last one http://imgur.com/a/e4SKr |
| 15:16.49 | Fisker | wow Stanzilla |
| 15:24.19 | Megalon | Gnarfoz: that's what thomas gets for being vegan |
| 15:31.01 | Fisker | All the wows haste |
| 15:32.39 | Fisker | http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/09/28/exclusive-nexus-6p-will-be-available-for-pre-order-on-september-29th-starting-479-99-in-the-u-s-uk-ireland-canada-and-japan/ |
| 15:32.50 | Fisker | H A P P E N I N G |
| 15:34.45 | znf | Can someone explain me what the hell am I doing wrong? |
| 15:34.53 | nevcairiel | everything |
| 15:34.57 | znf | with git. |
| 15:35.25 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/Ps3IckB.png |
| 15:35.34 | znf | why do I have to do git add if I already added the files? :-/ |
| 15:35.48 | nevcairiel | because add is needed for every change |
| 15:35.54 | znf | Why the f*? |
| 15:35.56 | znf | O.o |
| 15:36.05 | znf | How do I make it stop? |
| 15:36.10 | Fisker | Please get hyped |
| 15:36.13 | nevcairiel | you dont |
| 15:36.21 | nevcairiel | you just get used to adding changes you want to commit |
| 15:36.27 | nevcairiel | which is actually quite nice |
| 15:36.38 | nevcairiel | as it lets you separate individual changes into multiple commits |
| 15:36.47 | znf | :-/ |
| 15:36.48 | nevcairiel | instead of just commiting everything like svn-noobs |
| 15:39.08 | Semlar | how are you supposed to report a bug with hulu's player |
| 15:40.19 | Semlar | they used to have a forum but it doesn't appear to exist any more |
| 15:41.07 | nevcairiel | send a mail to their support place |
| 15:42.06 | znf | /dev/null@hulu.com |
| 15:42.10 | Semlar | :( |
| 15:42.25 | znf | You should be able to use / in a mailing address :D |
| 15:42.37 | Fisker | Why does Google hate us nevcairiel ? |
| 15:42.53 | znf | tomorow is the hype day, Fisker |
| 15:42.54 | znf | not today |
| 15:43.07 | Semlar | if you make the player leave fullscreen mode by itself (not hitting escape) it won't let you click on the player to pause or unpause it any more |
| 15:43.09 | Fisker | Today is hype day sorry |
| 15:43.40 | Fisker | Tomorrow is n6p preorder bogus anticipation day |
| 15:44.29 | Semlar | so every time i pause it in fullscreen mode and tab out, it unfullscreens and breaks |
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| 15:46.31 | Semlar | well, i found an article from may of 2014 that says they're revamping their discussion board http://www.hulu.com/help/articles/50772695 |
| 15:47.27 | Semlar | i have a feeling that didn't pan out |
| 15:50.03 | Fisker | Help Parnic |
| 15:50.56 | Parnic | with what |
| 15:51.05 | Fisker | Nexus 6P hype |
| 15:51.20 | Parnic | don't care |
| 15:51.31 | Fisker | Please help |
| 15:52.28 | znf | fuck the 6P |
| 15:52.31 | znf | 5X hype! |
| 15:52.33 | Fisker | No |
| 15:52.36 | Fisker | Fuck the 5x |
| 15:52.53 | Fisker | I need Parnic to send me one |
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| 15:57.34 | Parnic | piece of crap phone |
| 15:58.36 | znf | Why parnic? |
| 15:58.40 | znf | Have Stanzilla send you one! |
| 15:58.50 | Fisker | He can't znf |
| 15:58.57 | Fisker | Not available in Germany |
| 15:59.05 | znf | oh noez |
| 16:14.47 | Stanzilla | pretty fucked, m8 |
| 16:14.58 | znf | but I wanted Stanzilla to get me a N5X |
| 16:15.04 | Stanzilla | also fucked, m8 |
| 16:15.17 | znf | :o |
| 16:15.43 | Stanzilla | nebula169: yes, once or twice |
| 16:16.34 | Fisker | Hey Stanzilla |
| 16:18.09 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: you usually play with 2 support chars on high grifts and they do most of the work, the barb in this case has to pull mobs to the group all the time |
| 16:19.03 | znf | what does a witch doctor have to do? |
| 16:19.16 | Stanzilla | stand there and press heroism |
| 16:19.29 | Stanzilla | if you mean support |
| 16:19.29 | znf | :-( |
| 16:19.39 | Stanzilla | DD WD is not viable because of lag |
| 16:20.08 | Fisker | I miss Stanzilla |
| 16:20.32 | Repo | pitbull4: 03Stanzilla 07anchors * v4.0.0-beta51-495-gfcf9032 (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Force (another) group header update after being created on init Ticket #1108 |
| 16:24.54 | Fisker | Pitbull good one |
| 16:27.45 | znf | Stanzilla, so basically DD WD is -> get Starmetal, Zunimasa, Synchopants and spam Big Bad Voodoo? |
| 16:29.09 | Stanzilla | no, thbats support |
| 16:29.57 | Stanzilla | and you would wear no damage sets |
| 16:30.07 | Stanzilla | +xp instead, like cain |
| 16:30.18 | Stanzilla | and CDR stuff |
| 16:33.51 | Fisker | http://android-developers.blogspot.dk/2015/09/support-for-100mb-apks-on-google-play.html |
| 16:33.56 | znf | oh, I meant WD Support, yes |
| 16:34.25 | Stanzilla | znf: can you highlight me pls |
| 16:34.37 | znf | Stanzilla, |
| 16:34.52 | Fisker | That's terrible znf |
| 16:34.53 | Stanzilla | thx |
| 16:36.08 | Stanzilla | znf: again |
| 16:36.16 | znf | Stanzilla, penis |
| 16:36.20 | Stanzilla | alright |
| 16:36.22 | Stanzilla | fixed |
| 16:36.23 | Stanzilla | thx |
| 16:42.35 | Fisker | Jesus |
| 16:42.42 | Fisker | All the Google news |
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| 16:51.13 | Kemayo | Torhal: Thanks for fixing my repo yesterday! |
| 16:53.34 | Kemayo | Torhal: Actually... did you fix it, or did you just manually force the file-creation? I just pushed a tag to that repo, and nothing happened. |
| 16:57.03 | Stanzilla | Fisker: https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.199955!/image/iStock_000011059975Small.jpg |
| 16:57.44 | Fisker | Sup Stanzilla ? |
| 16:58.22 | Stanzilla | what I linked is up |
| 17:00.28 | Fisker | ? |
| 17:00.41 | Stanzilla | ? |
| 17:02.17 | Fisker | What do you mean? |
| 17:02.57 | Stanzilla | you talk about the google news and I link you a picture of a leaking pipe |
| 17:03.01 | Stanzilla | what more is there to understand? |
| 17:06.43 | Repo | herebedragons: 03Nevcairiel 041.08-release * 9f36a73 /: [new tag] Tag as 1.08-release |
| 17:07.47 | Fisker | I see Stanzilla |
| 17:08.51 | Torhal | Kemayo: I don't see a commit message from repo in the channel... |
| 17:09.18 | Fisker | anyway Stanzilla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXy_DO6IZOA&t=42s |
| 17:09.22 | Fisker | If you know what I mean |
| 17:09.23 | Kemayo | Yes, that doesn't work either. |
| 17:10.36 | Torhal | Kemayo: Re-queued, zipped. |
| 17:10.52 | Fisker | sadness though Stanzilla |
| 17:10.57 | Fisker | Looks like we can't be buddies this year |
| 17:10.58 | Torhal | It's the service the packager queries; it randomly kills DB connections, so the packager skips things. |
| 17:11.18 | Fisker | Maybe I should be buddies with Torhal |
| 17:11.54 | Torhal | gets Fisker a brand-new NES with Duck Hunt and the light gun. |
| 17:14.25 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: you make it sound like that db connection is a persistent thing... that sounds... odd |
| 17:15.13 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: The DB connection is being killed before it's closed, so the packager has a "DB connection already closed" error. |
| 17:15.17 | Kemayo | Torhal: thanks again |
| 17:15.33 | Torhal | np |
| 17:16.22 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: what kind of DB, even |
| 17:16.30 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Postgres |
| 17:16.56 | Fisker | Wanna be buddies Torhal ? |
| 17:17.24 | Torhal | gets Fisker a Bonzi Buddy. |
| 17:17.31 | Fisker | no wireless charging haste |
| 17:17.33 | Fisker | not even for n5x |
| 17:17.52 | Gnarfoz | well, I don't know your setup, and you're (again) probably not the right person to talk to anyway :P but who's doing the connection closing? if it's the DB server, it's probably right and the application should just re-establish |
| 17:18.45 | Gnarfoz | I've had so many talks about "MySQL server has gone away..." not being a bug :D |
| 17:18.50 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: No idea about any of it. All I know is in November 2013 we had server maintenance and it's never been the same since. |
| 17:18.59 | Gnarfoz | ...since the accident |
| 17:19.01 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:19.02 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 17:19.09 | Gnarfoz | you literally work at Meme, Inc. |
| 17:19.17 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 17:19.19 | Repo | handynotes: 03nevcairiel * r260 HandyNotes_HandyNotes.lua: Fix moving notes |
| 17:19.19 | Repo | Fixes Ticket 32 |
| 17:19.37 | Semlar | drops torhal |
| 17:20.04 | Torhal | truncates Semlar. |
| 17:20.10 | Gnarfoz | Speaking of Meme, Inc... WELCOME TO CURSE PREMIUM |
| 17:20.24 | Gnarfoz | I'm sorry, MEME PREMIUM |
| 17:20.27 | Semlar | welcome to curse memium |
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| 17:21.11 | Gnarfoz | join #memeace |
| 17:21.51 | Gnarfoz | grrr bluetooth share has stopped |
| 17:22.00 | Gnarfoz | can't wait to convince myself to buy a new phone |
| 17:22.05 | Gnarfoz | should be easy enough |
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| 17:22.55 | Gnarfoz | (although I really don't know what to do with the S4... selling it like this would be an exercise in futility, and replacing the logic board is close to 100â¬) |
| 17:23.05 | Gnarfoz | but if I replace it... I don't need a new phone! |
| 17:23.18 | Gnarfoz | but I want new shinies :( |
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| 17:31.57 | znf | http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/09/28/sorry-part-2-the-new-nexus-6p-and-5x-wont-have-wireless-charging-either/ |
| 17:31.59 | znf | Boo. |
| 17:32.16 | Fisker | o l d |
| 17:32.34 | Fisker | http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/09/28/exclusive-pixel-c-10-2-tablet-with-308ppi-detachable-keyboard-lightbar-and-android-marshmallow-coming-later-this-year/ |
| 17:32.36 | Fisker | STAHP |
| 17:32.42 | Fisker | I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE NEWS |
| 17:33.18 | znf | But, seriously |
| 17:33.19 | Megalon | also neither the 5x nor the 6p will have a SIM-card slot |
| 17:33.32 | znf | The fuck is wrong with google not offering Qi? |
| 17:35.18 | Fisker | Because it's shit znf |
| 17:35.31 | znf | No, it's awesome. |
| 17:35.48 | Fisker | not anymore it isn't |
| 17:36.15 | znf | It is... |
| 17:37.05 | Repo | handy-notes_mailboxes: 03nevcairiel * r57 (2 files in 1 directory): Update to latest HandyNotes version |
| 17:37.34 | Fisker | pls znf |
| 17:37.41 | Fisker | Why charge in a billion years? |
| 17:37.42 | Repo | handy-notes_mailboxes: 03nevcairiel 04v1.08 * r58 : Tagging as v1.08 |
| 17:38.03 | znf | it's not for "full time" charging |
| 17:38.29 | znf | I go out, get in my car, I put the phone on the charging pad |
| 17:38.39 | znf | if it rings, I just pick it up, then I put it back there |
| 17:38.44 | znf | no fussing around with the usb cable |
| 17:39.22 | znf | Ever since I don't have a Qi receiver on my phone, I skip on plugging in the cable because it takes me at least 30s every time |
| 17:40.20 | znf | also, my qi charger has a battery, so I can bring that anywhere with me |
| 17:40.27 | znf | without looking like a retard tethered to the battery |
| 17:41.59 | Fisker | battery is more discrete |
| 17:42.29 | znf | having the battery connected to the phone is not |
| 17:43.45 | Fisker | Battery can be concealed, wireless charging pad cannot |
| 17:44.38 | znf | sure it can O.O |
| 17:47.01 | Semlar | http://imgur.com/gallery/JYxwb |
| 17:48.37 | Repo | handy-notes_city-guide: 03nevcairiel * r36 (2 files in 1 directory): Update to latest HandyNotes version |
| 17:48.54 | Repo | handy-notes_city-guide: 03nevcairiel 04v1.7.0 Release * r37 : Tagging as v1.7.0 Release |
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| 17:49.05 | quiescens | nerf znf |
| 17:50.06 | znf | Wonder if I can do that in my car :D |
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| 17:50.43 | Stanzilla | znf: qi is just an outdated standard, there is newer wireless stuff that is faster |
| 17:50.50 | Stanzilla | but it was not ready yet for this year's nexus line |
| 17:51.00 | Repo | handy-notes_city-guide: 03nevcairiel * r38 (2 files in 1 directory): Fix debug print |
| 17:51.41 | znf | Stanzilla, what's new? |
| 17:51.48 | Repo | gdkpd: 03stolenlegacy * r165 (2 files in 1 directory): (1 line trimmed from commit message) |
| 17:51.48 | Repo | - TOC bump to 60200 |
| 17:51.48 | Repo | - All new "Special case rules" page replaces previous (shitty) item level and per-item settings dialogs! All previous options should've been carried over, but double-check just in case. |
| 17:51.48 | Repo | - Adjusted some sliders' min/max values to more accurately resemble inflated gold amounts. |
| 17:51.48 | Repo | - Adjusted some defaults to more accurately reflect current gold amounts (gg inflation) |
| 17:51.56 | Stanzilla | znf: qualcomms stuff, forgot the name |
| 17:52.04 | Fisker | WiPower I think? |
| 17:52.05 | znf | isn't that Qi? >_< |
| 17:52.11 | Stanzilla | no |
| 17:52.17 | Stanzilla | qi does not work with metal cases |
| 17:52.23 | Stanzilla | so that had to be solved differently |
| 17:52.30 | Repo | gdkpd: 03stolenlegacy 04beta-19 * r166 : Tagged as beta-19. |
| 17:53.18 | Stanzilla | znf: also with usb-c plugging in should be faster than 30s |
| 17:53.38 | Stanzilla | can just build a cradle on your table or buy one of the cool docks |
| 17:53.58 | znf | It still not allowing me to do the same thing - get in my car, put the phone on it's place, drive. |
| 17:54.03 | Stanzilla | znf: personally I was looking at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/957745871/arq-dock-20-for-apple-and-android-devices |
| 17:54.05 | znf | If I still have to pick up the cable and plug it in... meh |
| 17:54.28 | znf | That looks like a horrible design |
| 17:54.42 | Stanzilla | znf: whats the problem then, next year's phones will have it again |
| 17:54.45 | Stanzilla | and you just got a new one anyway? |
| 17:54.57 | znf | That dock looks like it supports the phone by the charging port :-S |
| 17:56.04 | Repo | handy-notes_trainers: 03nevcairiel * r93 (2 files in 1 directory): Update to latest HandyNotes version |
| 17:56.06 | *** join/#wowace Yoshimo (~anything@unaffiliated/yoshimo) |
| 17:56.30 | Repo | handy-notes_trainers: 03nevcairiel 04v1.7.0 Release * r94 : Tagging as v1.7.0 Release |
| 17:56.49 | Stanzilla | so yeah, calm down m8 :D |
| 17:57.35 | quiescens | o.o |
| 17:57.52 | quiescens | gives Stanzilla a cookie |
| 17:58.55 | Repo | handy-notes_vendors: 03nevcairiel * r89 (2 files in 1 directory): Update to latest HandyNotes version |
| 17:59.40 | Repo | handy-notes_vendors: 03nevcairiel 04v1.7.0 Release * r90 : Tagging as v1.7.0 Release |
| 18:02.29 | nevcairiel | there, more happy users |
| 18:03.06 | Ressy | Don't kid yourself. |
| 18:03.09 | Ressy | They're never happy. :P |
| 18:03.20 | Semlar | the important thing is that they're users |
| 18:03.23 | Repo | handynotes: 03nevcairiel 04v1.4.5 * r261 : Tag as 1.4.5 |
| 18:03.42 | Fisker | I'm sometimes happy Ressy |
| 18:04.52 | quiescens | lies |
| 18:05.28 | Semlar | which dwarf are you now |
| 18:07.36 | nevcairiel | there is one more broken handynotes module, but (1) its hosted on curseforge and i dont have moderator access there to just fix it, and (2) it uses hg, which i dont have a client for =P |
| 18:09.06 | Stanzilla | giev link and patch |
| 18:09.20 | nevcairiel | i didnt bother to write one |
| 18:09.48 | Stanzilla | ah ok |
| 18:18.39 | znf | [Sorry Part 3] Both The Nexus 5X And Nexus 6P Cameras Lack Optical Image Stabilization |
| 18:18.40 | znf | the fuck, Google? |
| 18:19.12 | Fisker | Classic Google |
| 18:19.57 | Stanzilla | skiiiipping |
| 18:20.07 | Stanzilla | (already made that decision before that news hit though) |
| 18:20.16 | Stanzilla | those, w/e |
| 18:21.37 | Fisker | Also system image confirmed ois though? |
| 18:22.27 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/handynotes_specialnpcsetc/ http://pastebin.com/RvQWxxZR |
| 18:23.02 | nevcairiel | dont ask me if he even uses the f'ing repo |
| 18:23.08 | nevcairiel | its curseforge, all sorts of shit goes down there |
| 18:23.31 | znf | Stanzilla, so what are you doing? |
| 18:23.34 | znf | sticking with the n5? :o |
| 18:23.37 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 18:23.53 | znf | [Exclusive] Google Pixel C 10.2" Tablet With 308ppi, Detachable Keyboard, Lightbar, And Android Marshmallow Coming Later This Year |
| 18:23.56 | znf | the fuck is a lightbar? |
| 18:24.33 | quiescens | a bar of light! |
| 18:24.34 | nevcairiel | the chromebook pixel had that |
| 18:24.38 | Stanzilla | led bar |
| 18:24.42 | Stanzilla | just decoration |
| 18:24.48 | quiescens | stabs znf with a lightbar |
| 18:24.50 | nevcairiel | https://www.google.com/chromebook/pixel/ |
| 18:24.55 | nevcairiel | see the light! |
| 18:25.13 | znf | fancy term for a few leds |
| 18:25.24 | znf | that pixel is so hot :( |
| 18:26.02 | znf | would love that if it could run VMs |
| 18:26.05 | Stanzilla | applying specialnpc.diff |
| 18:26.05 | Stanzilla | abort: unable to strip away 1 of 1 dirs from HandyNotes_SpecialNPCsEtc.orig.lua |
| 18:26.07 | Stanzilla | wot |
| 18:26.28 | quiescens | you borked it ): |
| 18:26.30 | nevcairiel | what do i know how you make a hg compatible patch |
| 18:28.43 | Stanzilla | I dont know either |
| 18:28.46 | Stanzilla | manually it is |
| 18:29.13 | nevcairiel | should probably be a/.. and b/.. or something |
| 18:29.56 | Stanzilla | should probably fix the TOC too? |
| 18:30.00 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 18:30.35 | Stanzilla | holy shit |
| 18:30.39 | Stanzilla | how did this ever work |
| 18:30.43 | Fisker | There's revision metadata too nevcairiel |
| 18:31.18 | Fisker | And the led bar isn't just decoration btw Stanzilla |
| 18:31.19 | znf | Should have just replaced the actual file :D |
| 18:31.20 | znf | old-skool |
| 18:31.22 | nevcairiel | man that project has a bunch of shit in its toc |
| 18:31.29 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 18:31.36 | Stanzilla | ripped the astrolabe related files out |
| 18:31.46 | Stanzilla | how does it even load the libs, they are not in the pgkmeta |
| 18:31.50 | Fisker | If you're not importing the revision you might as well just merge in hand |
| 18:31.52 | Stanzilla | this shit probably never worked |
| 18:32.20 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: i just extracted the zip and it worked after my fixes, so whatever was in there was enough |
| 18:32.33 | nevcairiel | it doesnt inclued *any* libs in the zip |
| 18:32.41 | znf | rm -rf * |
| 18:32.41 | Stanzilla | nice :D |
| 18:32.43 | znf | paste new files |
| 18:32.49 | Stanzilla | well it's all default ace stuff apart from the astrolabe shit |
| 18:32.53 | Stanzilla | and since you replaced that anyway.. |
| 18:32.55 | Stanzilla | should be good |
| 18:33.02 | Stanzilla | but before it should have been broken |
| 18:33.19 | nevcairiel | well it gets all the libs it needs through handynotes anyway |
| 18:33.27 | nevcairiel | ace, astrolabe .. or well, now hbd |
| 18:33.28 | Stanzilla | yes but not his special ones |
| 18:33.36 | nevcairiel | guess it just doesnt use them |
| 18:33.42 | Stanzilla | or that, yeah |
| 18:33.51 | Stanzilla | he had two libs |
| 18:33.57 | Stanzilla | AstrolabeFix and TTAStrolabeFix |
| 18:33.57 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 18:34.17 | nevcairiel | yeah fucking astrolabe needs two fixes to still suck |
| 18:34.48 | Stanzilla | tagged as well because I'm a rude repo intruder |
| 18:34.48 | znf | So... apparently I have some power I never realized. |
| 18:34.50 | nevcairiel | does gatherer still use astrolabe? =p |
| 18:35.08 | znf | One of the servers I manage holds the adblock rules for romania |
| 18:35.48 | quiescens | your country has its own ad rules? |
| 18:36.02 | znf | https://adblockplus.org/subscriptions |
| 18:36.03 | znf | RoList |
| 18:36.09 | znf | yeah, lots of countries have specialized lists |
| 18:36.34 | nevcairiel | yeah gatherer still uses astrolabe, i guess gathermate has been seeing some uplift in users since astrolabe is broken as fuck |
| 18:37.25 | Stanzilla | gatherer is from the same guy, no? |
| 18:37.30 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 18:37.39 | Stanzilla | I always thought so |
| 18:37.41 | nevcairiel | i think there is a team of people doing all these norganna addons |
| 18:37.55 | nevcairiel | i think Shirik was involved with them to some degree |
| 18:38.47 | quiescens | are they conspiring to take over the world? |
| 18:39.01 | nevcairiel | with their slacking and not fixing addons, good luck |
| 18:39.02 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 18:42.22 | Torhal | Stanzilla: You do realize that's an abandoned project, right? |
| 18:42.30 | Stanzilla | Torhal: no |
| 18:42.32 | Torhal | And yes, Essamyn does both Astrolabe and Gatherer. |
| 18:42.57 | nevcairiel | Abandoned by its author, not by its users, apparently |
| 18:43.13 | Torhal | Well, it doesn't show on curse.com or sync to the client is what I'm getting at. |
| 18:43.25 | nevcairiel | un-abandon it then Stanzilla |
| 18:43.32 | nevcairiel | thats what I did with the wowace plugins i fixed :P |
| 18:43.57 | nevcairiel | (getting a new file should un-abandon a project automatically) |
| 18:44.11 | Torhal | (nobody gives a shit about the old stack) |
| 18:44.13 | Torhal | :D |
| 18:44.29 | nevcairiel | does it on the new site? |
| 18:44.29 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 18:44.58 | Torhal | No idea. I think they just added the abandoning stuff in, so I should likely check. |
| 18:45.17 | Stanzilla | which part of the site are you currently working on, Torhal |
| 18:45.29 | Torhal | Bot rewrite. |
| 18:45.35 | quiescens | so we know what to blame him for? |
| 18:45.41 | Torhal | New site doesn't have anything bot-related |
| 18:45.55 | Torhal | And since the old one is going away, the bot won't work. |
| 18:46.50 | Stanzilla | well no rush, 2020 is still a bit out |
| 18:47.02 | quiescens | o.o |
| 18:52.47 | Stanzilla | man, why is there no proper openSSH release for windows |
| 18:52.59 | Stanzilla | nobody takes care about that shit :E |
| 18:53.31 | nevcairiel | putty man, putty |
| 19:04.00 | quiescens | use all of cygwin and stuff instead |
| 19:04.02 | quiescens | lol |
| 19:04.47 | Stanzilla | there is no uptodate cygwin/msys2 version of it |
| 19:04.51 | Stanzilla | that's what I'm saying |
| 19:06.51 | quiescens | oh? |
| 19:07.20 | quiescens | cygwin has openssh 7.1 doesn't it? |
| 19:08.03 | nevcairiel | as does msys2 |
| 19:08.29 | quiescens | o.o |
| 19:11.45 | Stanzilla | eh nevcairiel |
| 19:11.48 | Stanzilla | which repo are you looking at |
| 19:11.55 | Stanzilla | I'm at https://github.com/Alexpux/MSYS2-packages/commits/master |
| 19:12.06 | nevcairiel | i jsut did "pacman -S openssh" and it wanted to install 7.1 :p |
| 19:12.30 | Stanzilla | oh motherfucker |
| 19:12.37 | Stanzilla | aug 29th |
| 19:12.44 | Stanzilla | he just did not close my issue |
| 19:13.11 | nevcairiel | the msys maintainers also are a bit on the silly side of the world |
| 19:13.17 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 19:13.29 | Stanzilla | especially since the git for windows dude is part of it |
| 19:13.38 | nevcairiel | that explains a lot |
| 19:14.20 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 19:14.55 | quiescens | i've ended up using cygwin on my windows systems |
| 19:15.05 | Stanzilla | where are the binaries for the msys2 stuff, nevcairiel |
| 19:15.10 | Stanzilla | when not using pacman |
| 19:15.16 | nevcairiel | probably still on sf |
| 19:15.32 | quiescens | i miss my unix style command line tools otherwise |
| 19:15.47 | *** join/#wowace Sharparam (~Sharparam@do.sharparam.com) |
| 19:16.00 | *** join/#wowace wink (fhtagn@porkchop.art-core.org) |
| 19:16.21 | quiescens | basic things like find and grep are so useful sometimes o.o |
| 19:16.53 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: http://sourceforge.net/projects/msys2/files/REPOS/MSYS2/x86_64/openssh-7.1p1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz/download |
| 19:17.00 | Stanzilla | thx |
| 19:21.08 | Stanzilla | I've been trying out https://github.com/lukesampson/scoop |
| 19:21.20 | Stanzilla | works pretty well |
| 19:25.14 | Stanzilla | lots of outdated shit thoug, and the author relies on PRs for everything from the looks of it |
| 19:28.15 | nevcairiel | wow panasonic actually has a displayport on their latest high-end display |
| 19:28.23 | nevcairiel | high-end TV that is |
| 19:28.28 | nevcairiel | hope they can start a trend :p |
| 19:29.07 | Fisker | Is it Android TV though? |
| 19:29.39 | nevcairiel | i dont fucking care |
| 19:29.51 | Fisker | wow |
| 19:31.53 | Fisker | Night |
| 19:38.16 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: YCbCr444 @ 30 Hz or RGB? is one better than the other? with RGB I can pick full range or limited range, with YCbCr444 it's set to limited and greyed out. also, with YCbCr the TV disables its "HDMI black level" option (which I have to set to "normal" w/ RGB, "low" seems too dark?) |
| 19:38.31 | nevcairiel | always RGB |
| 19:38.52 | Gnarfoz | still confused as fuck. maybe this belgian moon photo I like is just bad and has banding in it |
| 19:38.55 | nevcairiel | and full range/limited range map to the black level options |
| 19:39.08 | nevcairiel | full is usually best |
| 19:39.15 | Gnarfoz | so I set it to RGB, full at PC and "normal" on the TV |
| 19:39.16 | nevcairiel | which should be normal, i think |
| 19:39.18 | Gnarfoz | which is what I did before |
| 19:39.41 | nevcairiel | the image is usually extremely dark or kinda washed out if the options is wrong |
| 19:39.48 | nevcairiel | depending on wrong which way |
| 19:40.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I know what that looks like... perhaps testing this on a fucking wallpaper isn't the best idea |
| 19:40.24 | Gnarfoz | but it seems to do it "right" with YCbCr444, too... but how does "limited" work, then? does it just stretch it back out? i.e. quality loss? |
| 19:40.34 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 19:40.40 | nevcairiel | some tvs dont do full though |
| 19:40.58 | Gnarfoz | it better, it's supposed to be able to do 12bit color |
| 19:41.05 | Gnarfoz | would be a bit weak to not even do 8 bit? |
| 19:41.05 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:41.20 | Primer | So, while working on this new addon, which is effectively a derivative of my other addon (it's just a subset of a feature), I found that I was handling QUEST_POI_UPDATE and QUEST_LOG_UPDATE with this too: hooksecurefunc("ObjectiveTracker_Update", function () ... |
| 19:41.38 | Primer | all of which ran the same function |
| 19:41.42 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: calibration patterns https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9FgjTtNzSy0dTZwZ3p1eGVnTG8/edit?usp=sharing |
| 19:41.49 | nevcairiel | if you want to do proper video testing =p |
| 19:42.00 | Primer | I've had this pervasive problem in my addon that would consistently hang the game |
| 19:42.21 | Primer | And I have a feeling that's it right there |
| 19:42.26 | Gnarfoz | Primer: so... endless loop? :D |
| 19:42.31 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8968806/Patterns-Manual.pdf manual to go with it xD |
| 19:42.31 | Primer | Gnarfoz: yes |
| 19:42.40 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: neat. how do I use?... beat me to it |
| 19:43.58 | nevcairiel | for black and white, in the test videos you want to be able to see 17-235 (ie. 16 absolute black), and nothing below or above |
| 19:44.27 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure if I linked this earlier: http://i.imgur.com/1twBNJz.jpg -- does that have banding for you? |
| 19:44.33 | Gnarfoz | maybe my screens all just suck :D |
| 19:44.37 | nevcairiel | yes it does |
| 19:44.45 | Gnarfoz | guess I'm not totally mad, then |
| 19:44.47 | Trela | No banding here. |
| 19:44.58 | Gnarfoz | which means... your screen sucks? :D |
| 19:45.00 | nevcairiel | low contrast screens eat banding for breakfast |
| 19:45.29 | Trela | This is an $800 99%+ color correct monitor that I calibrate every few months. :P |
| 19:45.42 | nevcairiel | still sucks if this obvious banding isnt visible |
| 19:46.13 | nevcairiel | at 100% size i can count the pixels at the banding borders |
| 19:46.25 | Gnarfoz | perhaps it's in some extended color space? |
| 19:46.33 | Gnarfoz | does that make sense |
| 19:46.40 | Gnarfoz | I guess it doesn't ^^ |
| 19:46.53 | nevcairiel | i mean its a jpg on imgur, the banding may have come from imgur itself |
| 19:46.59 | Gnarfoz | true |
| 19:47.01 | Trela | Are you sure you are using the term banding correctly? |
| 19:47.13 | Gnarfoz | pretty sure? what's there to misuse |
| 19:47.27 | Gnarfoz | visible color steps where a smooth transition should be |
| 19:47.31 | Trela | I see a ton of JPEG artifacts, but nothing as the result of the image or monitor. |
| 19:47.34 | nevcairiel | banding is when a gradient produces steps instead of being smooth |
| 19:47.43 | nevcairiel | which this thing clearly does |
| 19:47.49 | Gnarfoz | I don't think anyone in here would confuse JPEG artifacts with banding |
| 19:47.58 | Primer | Take a picture of the monitor and post the picture |
| 19:48.00 | Primer | snickers |
| 19:48.13 | Gnarfoz | Primer: mom-style tech support |
| 19:48.43 | Gnarfoz | yeah, guess I could ask the guy for a non-imgur version |
| 19:48.57 | nevcairiel | non-jpeg better =p |
| 19:49.03 | Gnarfoz | perhaps even that |
| 19:49.14 | Gnarfoz | but I doubt imgur does nice things to 6Kx3K pictures |
| 19:49.25 | nevcairiel | probably has a max file size |
| 19:49.44 | nevcairiel | gradients are hard to encode, so they are the first to go and die |
| 19:50.22 | Primer | So I wrote a simple addon that creates an indicator on the screen that points to the current quest in the objective tracker in the form of an ellipse relative to the center of the screen. Has anyone seen such a thing? I'd hate to think that I just re-invented the wheel. |
| 19:50.24 | Trela | Oh - If you are logged out while uploading Imgur uses a harsher image compression. |
| 19:51.43 | Primer | it's just an icon for the quest status above text of the quest name, and bearing + distance, as well as ETA based on horizontal speed if moving |
| 19:51.58 | nevcairiel | you mean like, tomtom |
| 19:52.01 | Primer | yes |
| 19:52.06 | Primer | except tomtom is an arrow |
| 19:53.17 | Primer | again, it's just a subset of something that already existed in FlightHUD |
| 19:53.20 | Gnarfoz | Trela: yeah |
| 19:53.27 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: turning off eco-everything makes this a bit easier, derpppp |
| 19:53.57 | Gnarfoz | I was like "shit I can barely make this out" hurrr durr brightness at 5/20 and power save on |
| 19:54.04 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 19:54.09 | Primer | So I stripped it out into its own addon. It's something that I often used to toggle FlightHUD for (before flying) to get a bearing to the next quest |
| 19:54.10 | nevcairiel | yeah eco modes are evil |
| 19:54.25 | Gnarfoz | is fine when using, but not when trying to assess this stuff |
| 19:54.26 | Primer | yeah, fuck the ecology |
| 19:54.40 | Trela | We have a stock pile of unusable monitors at work because of Dell's Eco mode bullshit. |
| 19:54.48 | nevcairiel | such low brightness eats away black contrast, i dont like that |
| 19:55.16 | Gnarfoz | for obvious reasons |
| 19:55.19 | Primer | I wonder what ever happened to OLED |
| 19:55.25 | Gnarfoz | go buy one, Primer |
| 19:55.31 | Primer | I figured we'd all have OLED by now |
| 19:55.35 | Gnarfoz | you figured wrong |
| 19:55.42 | Trela | OLED is here, but still hard to manufacture. Basically a premium product right now. |
| 19:55.45 | Primer | Gnarfoz: My understanding is that they don't quite last |
| 19:55.53 | nevcairiel | LG has OLED TVs, but t hey still have some problems and are expensive as fuck |
| 19:56.09 | Gnarfoz | Primer: look at any Samsung Galaxy S smartphone for the last 5 years |
| 19:56.18 | nevcairiel | and yeah phones use them |
| 19:56.24 | Primer | I suppose I should have phrased that as "I wonder what ever happened to cheap consumer accessible OLED". My bad |
| 19:56.29 | Gnarfoz | all OLED; however, bigger sizes are pretty rare because pretty expensive |
| 19:56.40 | Gnarfoz | galaxy s phones are not consumer accessible? |
| 19:57.03 | Gnarfoz | (or some others by now, Samsung somehow had a major lead in this area for a long time) |
| 19:57.19 | Gnarfoz | anyway, LG has been the only TV maker to use it at scale, but boy are they expensive |
| 19:57.21 | Primer | Would you really watch a movie on a phone? |
| 19:57.29 | Gnarfoz | no? you didn't specify, though |
| 19:57.44 | Gnarfoz | someone else announced they would enter the market this or next year, was that Samsung? |
| 19:58.20 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I can walk into a local electronics market and marvel at super thin OLEDs, and have been for some time, but yeah... 3000â¬+ |
| 19:58.31 | Primer | heh, I tried watching a twitch stream on my phone. I could not make out any detail in the game. It was just too damn small. |
| 19:58.57 | nevcairiel | with a good phone just move closer to the screen |
| 19:59.00 | Primer | Gnarfoz: I would have thought contrast would be the selling point of OLED, not thickness |
| 19:59.00 | nevcairiel | the pixels are all there |
| 19:59.01 | nevcairiel | just tiny! |
| 19:59.03 | Gnarfoz | cheapest 55" LG OLED is actually 1900⬠|
| 19:59.23 | Primer | Any stats on pixel life? |
| 19:59.30 | Primer | I recall that was one of the drawbacks still |
| 19:59.48 | Gnarfoz | Primer: meh, direct-lid LED is pretty good at that, too, so is local-dimming LED... most people probably won't notice the difference |
| 20:00.09 | Gnarfoz | (OLED can clearly achive the same or better results while still being slim, but does Joe Blow make that particular connection?) |
| 20:00.39 | Primer | I'm sure he would if he saw it side by side in a dark room |
| 20:01.02 | Gnarfoz | probably, but Joe Blow looks at them in brightly lit supermarkets :| |
| 20:01.05 | Gnarfoz | cringes |
| 20:01.29 | Gnarfoz | anyway, that's pretty vague - do you expect it to last 1? 5? 20? years? I have no idea how long they last before there's a noticeable difference |
| 20:01.53 | Gnarfoz | I know both of my phones show slightly visible burn-in where Android's notification bar is, though |
| 20:02.12 | Primer | Ahh yes, that was another thing |
| 20:02.31 | nevcairiel | OLEDs shift in color as they age, but they integrate adaptive colors filters these days to compensate |
| 20:02.34 | Gnarfoz | the S1 more so since I used it longer, and the S4 has been running Android versions with sometimes transparent, sometimes colored notification bars, so it's also less strongly affected |
| 20:02.38 | nevcairiel | so you lose a tiny bit of brightness over time |
| 20:02.46 | Gnarfoz | Primer: it's the same thing, I think |
| 20:02.52 | Gnarfoz | at least, the same root cause |
| 20:03.07 | Gnarfoz | adaptive color filters... that somehow sounds like magic |
| 20:03.14 | Primer | nevcairiel: I thought the concern was dead pixels |
| 20:03.27 | Primer | as in, pixels dying in as little as 2 years |
| 20:03.33 | Gnarfoz | sounds like FUD |
| 20:04.46 | Gnarfoz | well, I'm sure there are actual stats on that out there, rather than speculation and the "I read somewhere, that..." we're currently practicing :D |
| 20:06.15 | nevcairiel | OLED in TVs is still too new to really know for sure |
| 20:06.25 | nevcairiel | but with the price premium, its out for me anyway |
| 20:16.14 | Shirik | I don't understand what's with this organic craze |
| 20:16.22 | Shirik | I like my GMO TVs just fine. Don't need no organic LEDs. |
| 20:20.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: hhmm, none of the settings on the TV seem to allow me to see whites above 235 |
| 20:20.42 | nevcairiel | not with your settings of rgb range and black level they wont |
| 20:20.57 | Gnarfoz | I don't get it |
| 20:20.58 | nevcairiel | but you dont really want to |
| 20:21.04 | Gnarfoz | I set it to RGB and full, why are they not there? |
| 20:21.17 | nevcairiel | the video renderer cuts them off |
| 20:21.17 | Gnarfoz | or are they not in the video and it's some kind of troll :D |
| 20:21.27 | Gnarfoz | intentionally? |
| 20:21.30 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 20:21.36 | nevcairiel | 16-235 is the range you want to see |
| 20:21.45 | Gnarfoz | but the manual says, if possible, I should set it to see 235-253 |
| 20:21.51 | Gnarfoz | (it doesn't seem possible :D) |
| 20:21.57 | nevcairiel | it would be with other settings |
| 20:22.03 | nevcairiel | but i find it pointless |
| 20:22.05 | Gnarfoz | like what? |
| 20:22.09 | nevcairiel | and it makes desktop apps look like crap |
| 20:22.15 | Gnarfoz | o_o |
| 20:23.04 | nevcairiel | you can set the control panel to full, and then set madvr to 16-235 if you use it, not su re if EVR has that option easily available |
| 20:23.05 | Gnarfoz | well, 16-235 works just fine, so I guess I'm all set, but I don't quite know why I would want to set it to rgb+full, then |
| 20:23.26 | Gnarfoz | I'll have to check what madVR is set to |
| 20:23.41 | nevcairiel | you want to set it like that because its the only combination that gives you proper colors in desktop apps and in the video |
| 20:24.01 | nevcairiel | setting the white level on your TV to show values over 235 will jsut reduce the brightness of 235 |
| 20:24.08 | nevcairiel | which is technically supposed to be full white |
| 20:24.20 | Gnarfoz | well, i can't find a setting that does that anyway |
| 20:24.22 | nevcairiel | anything above is called Whiter-than-White (or WTW), and is a bit silly imho |
| 20:25.31 | Gnarfoz | so... I'm doing it wrong? http://i.imgur.com/3lWU36D.png |
| 20:25.53 | nevcairiel | no thats fine |
| 20:26.03 | Gnarfoz | but you just said the opposite :D |
| 20:26.08 | nevcairiel | no i didnt |
| 20:26.17 | Gnarfoz | not exactly, ok |
| 20:26.20 | Gnarfoz | but I have both at full now |
| 20:26.37 | nevcairiel | you can change that madvr option if you want to preserve the values outside of 16-235 |
| 20:26.53 | nevcairiel | but you'll need to change your TVs option as well then |
| 20:26.56 | Gnarfoz | I guess if I switch this to limited, I'd have to set the black level on the TV to "low"? |
| 20:26.58 | nevcairiel | so black is being cut off at 16 again |
| 20:27.10 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 20:27.10 | Gnarfoz | ok, but why would that affect my desktop at all? |
| 20:27.23 | nevcairiel | because black level is set to low then? |
| 20:27.23 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:27.35 | nevcairiel | this madvr option only affects its own video playback |
| 20:27.39 | nevcairiel | not the desktop |
| 20:27.46 | Gnarfoz | but... ehhhh? :D |
| 20:27.52 | Gnarfoz | my desktop is not a video |
| 20:27.57 | nevcairiel | exactly |
| 20:27.57 | Gnarfoz | I'm missing something here |
| 20:28.11 | Gnarfoz | I don't even have a setting for "desktop black level" (why would I) |
| 20:28.15 | nevcairiel | you do |
| 20:28.19 | nevcairiel | its in the nvidia control panel |
| 20:28.22 | nevcairiel | and its set to "Full" |
| 20:28.31 | Gnarfoz | but that's for the HDMI output |
| 20:28.42 | Gnarfoz | oh you mean if I displayed some kind of program on the TV |
| 20:28.53 | nevcairiel | sure, but it also controls what the GPU does with your desktop image when sending it |
| 20:29.08 | nevcairiel | if you set it to limited, the GPU will compress the signal into the 16-235 range |
| 20:29.11 | nevcairiel | but you dont want that |
| 20:29.12 | nevcairiel | ever |
| 20:29.19 | nevcairiel | unless your TV doesnt understand "full" |
| 20:29.24 | Gnarfoz | I somehow thought you meant stuff like my Quassel on my desktop monitors |
| 20:29.48 | Gnarfoz | so, say, I put irfanview onto the TV to show some pictures |
| 20:29.59 | Gnarfoz | I'd be fucked if I have nvidia set to limited |
| 20:30.09 | nevcairiel | not fucked as such, but losing quality |
| 20:30.28 | Gnarfoz | (that's what I meant, anything beyond the best achievable is clearly out of the question ^^) |
| 20:30.46 | nevcairiel | so in short, "Full" is the only option that makes sense in the NVIDIA control panel |
| 20:31.02 | Gnarfoz | however, I don't see any difference after setting madvr to limited (with nvidia at full) - shouldn't I be able to see white > 235? (just curious now, I already accepted that that's where I want the cut-off) |
| 20:31.14 | nevcairiel | you should |
| 20:31.28 | nevcairiel | but the TV entry is grey, which means its not active, did you turn it off or something |
| 20:31.54 | Gnarfoz | huh? *looks again* |
| 20:32.03 | Gnarfoz | I guess for this kind of fiddling I should enable the madvr tray icon |
| 20:32.10 | Gnarfoz | gets annoying to get to madvr's menu otherwise |
| 20:32.21 | nevcairiel | yeah a bit |
| 20:32.42 | Gnarfoz | oh you mean the entire tree entry |
| 20:32.48 | Gnarfoz | I have no idea, that was like that from the start |
| 20:32.59 | nevcairiel | thats usually for screens it doesnt actually have connected right now |
| 20:33.04 | Gnarfoz | meaning... madvr never detected it automatically, I create it manually |
| 20:33.07 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 20:33.16 | Gnarfoz | I'll try and delete it |
| 20:33.29 | nevcairiel | weird that it didnt find it |
| 20:33.29 | Gnarfoz | can I somehow make it re-detect? :o |
| 20:34.06 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 20:34.09 | nevcairiel | it should just detect it |
| 20:34.13 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't particularly seem to care :( |
| 20:34.46 | nevcairiel | did you use your turning-off PS or something, maybe that screws with it |
| 20:35.12 | Gnarfoz | I never found anything that uses PS |
| 20:35.17 | Gnarfoz | but I do use that tool thing |
| 20:35.24 | Gnarfoz | however, I used madvr before I had that |
| 20:35.43 | nevcairiel | no clue why detection would fail |
| 20:35.45 | Gnarfoz | I don't think it does any voodoo, it just does the same I can do manually |
| 20:35.46 | nevcairiel | never had that problem |
| 20:36.52 | Gnarfoz | do I care about this bit? http://i.imgur.com/yYb1hVI.png |
| 20:37.33 | nevcairiel | only if you have issues |
| 20:37.46 | nevcairiel | on my old TV i had to set it to a fixed value otherwise it would crap out sometimes |
| 20:37.55 | Gnarfoz | like what? wrong colors? |
| 20:38.05 | nevcairiel | it would randomly switch between modes for some reason |
| 20:38.10 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:38.12 | nevcairiel | setting it to video made it stop |
| 20:38.22 | Gnarfoz | I do wonder what effect that has on the TV |
| 20:38.36 | Gnarfoz | pick which optimizations to run? |
| 20:38.39 | nevcairiel | some TVs control their image mode with that |
| 20:38.59 | nevcairiel | if you want to be safe, set it to video |
| 20:38.59 | Gnarfoz | I guess having almost everything set to "Movie", or "off" kind of makes that a moot point |
| 20:39.18 | Gnarfoz | none of that image meddling madness |
| 20:40.05 | Gnarfoz | I'll leave it at auto, switching manually seems to have no effect |
| 20:40.16 | nevcairiel | some of those image meddling things arent too bad |
| 20:40.31 | Gnarfoz | sure, depends on what you find pleasing to look at |
| 20:40.40 | Gnarfoz | in the end it's a matter of preference |
| 20:41.01 | Gnarfoz | perhaps I even turned off something beneficial :D |
| 20:41.04 | nevcairiel | i usually leave dynamic contrast on the "low" setting, any higher makes it go crazy, but low usually works ok |
| 20:41.22 | Gnarfoz | for example I'm not quite sure dimming is even active right now |
| 20:41.33 | nevcairiel | that would be dynamic contrast, yes =p |
| 20:41.41 | Gnarfoz | not necessarily, right? |
| 20:41.49 | Gnarfoz | Osure which fancy name |
| 20:41.52 | Gnarfoz | augh enter. |
| 20:42.03 | Gnarfoz | not sure which fancy name Samsung has given it in this model series |
| 20:42.10 | nevcairiel | havent had a samsung tv yet |
| 20:42.48 | Gnarfoz | "Motion Lighting" (for some reason in the eco stuff menu) is greyed out, for example |
| 20:43.21 | nevcairiel | thats an eco feature |
| 20:43.58 | nevcairiel | Motion lighting â Reduces power consumption by reducing screen brightness when the picture on the screen is in motion - See more at: http://www.samsung.com/global/article/articleDetailView.do?atcl_id=23#sthash.ir2IiCwE.dpuf |
| 20:44.08 | nevcairiel | fucking websites with their copy-paste hooks |
| 20:44.43 | Trela | Yep, fuck that shit. |
| 20:46.57 | nevcairiel | in more german news, I would so laugh if UvdL gets the boot (or resigns, w/e) because of the plagiarism thing, never liked her |
| 20:49.10 | Semlar | you mean das boot |
| 21:08.38 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: definitely not |
| 21:09.02 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not sure what is required for that to not be greyed out, might even be something my particular model just doesn't do |
| 21:09.32 | Stanzilla | finally stopped being lazy and installed my new cooling system |
| 21:09.41 | Stanzilla | back to 40°C again |
| 21:09.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: backlight dimming is under Auto Motion Plus (which I apparently have to set to custom? no idea what "Smooth" and "Standard" do, specifically) and then LED clear motion |
| 21:10.15 | *** join/#wowace Semlar (~chatzilla@142-196-149-253.res.bhn.net) |
| 21:10.23 | Semlar | look what you did |
| 21:10.25 | nevcairiel | i dont like the strong motion modes |
| 21:10.44 | nevcairiel | interpolation is evil |
| 21:10.48 | Gnarfoz | there's a noticeable short interruption when i turn the LED thing on, so it cleary starts doing something it doesn't, otherwise |
| 21:11.06 | Gnarfoz | maybe I should look at the manual :D |
| 21:11.30 | nevcairiel | if the image also gets less bright, it might just be the backlight strobing to eliminate motion judder |
| 21:11.59 | Gnarfoz | that's literally the on-screen description of what it does |
| 21:12.17 | nevcairiel | thats not what dimming is usually for |
| 21:12.22 | nevcairiel | dimming is for dynamic contrast |
| 21:12.28 | Gnarfoz | maybe I used the wrong term, then |
| 21:15.58 | Gnarfoz | nice, the flashing colors thing is spot on with just blue showing |
| 21:16.30 | nevcairiel | flashing colors? :d |
| 21:16.36 | Gnarfoz | video 4 in basic settings |
| 21:19.03 | nevcairiel | your TV has a blue filter, eh? |
| 21:19.19 | Gnarfoz | yeah, the manual makes it sound that's rare? |
| 21:19.46 | Gnarfoz | it's "RGB only" menu that has (duh) only red, only green, only blue |
| 21:19.51 | Gnarfoz | *it's a |
| 21:19.53 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 21:20.00 | nevcairiel | i dont remember if i have that |
| 21:20.10 | Gnarfoz | gah I turned on the LED strobing again and turned my head |
| 21:20.13 | Gnarfoz | I can see the strobing |
| 21:20.21 | Gnarfoz | no way José |
| 21:20.25 | Stanzilla | im fernsehen läuft jackie chan |
| 21:20.28 | Stanzilla | o o ups |
| 21:20.30 | Gnarfoz | wo? |
| 21:20.36 | nevcairiel | yeah strobing isnt fast enough to not flicker |
| 21:20.45 | Stanzilla | kabel1 I think |
| 21:20.47 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: Testbilder sind viel spannender. |
| 21:20.48 | nevcairiel | it looks ok if you look at it straight away |
| 21:20.58 | Gnarfoz | also, I don't have HD+ so Kabel1 would be lulzquality |
| 21:20.59 | Stanzilla | I only turned it on because I needed background noise while my pc was off :( |
| 21:21.00 | nevcairiel | but peripheral vision picks it up |
| 21:21.40 | Stanzilla | but I figured good old jackie is worth keeping on |
| 21:21.45 | Gnarfoz | 576i on a 2160p display, :S |
| 21:21.51 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 21:22.02 | nevcairiel | at least digital is free now |
| 21:22.12 | nevcairiel | analog was worse |
| 21:22.22 | Gnarfoz | it does makes a commendable effort at upscaling, though, can't really blame it |
| 21:22.56 | Gnarfoz | 720p (Das Erste) looks fine, considering it's being displayed at over 4 times the intended size ^^ |
| 21:23.23 | Gnarfoz | but really, broadcast is the bottom drawer of what's possible anyway |
| 21:23.34 | nevcairiel | high DPI hides some of the ugly |
| 21:24.59 | Stanzilla | 40°C with WoW running is probably fine |
| 21:25.04 | Stanzilla | I had ~43 before |
| 21:25.26 | Gnarfoz | the horror, your CPU was practically melting before |
| 21:25.27 | nevcairiel | 40 what |
| 21:25.45 | Gnarfoz | (I should figure out why my PC is so loud) |
| 21:26.00 | nevcairiel | my gpu gets a bit noisy when the load is on |
| 21:26.05 | Stanzilla | eh 43 was with the 2 generations old version of the h100 that I had |
| 21:26.08 | Gnarfoz | I wish speedfan didn't have such a horrible UI |
| 21:26.13 | Stanzilla | that one broke and I got a 2 generations newer replacement |
| 21:26.18 | Gnarfoz | I have a first gen H60, I think |
| 21:26.20 | Stanzilla | just wanted to see if I installed everything correctly |
| 21:26.34 | Stanzilla | so being a big below what I used to have with the old one is fine |
| 21:26.40 | Stanzilla | *a bit |
| 21:26.42 | Gnarfoz | (or H80? I don't recall, actually) |
| 21:26.53 | Stanzilla | the pumps in the hxxx usually die after 3 years |
| 21:26.59 | Stanzilla | if you have lots of uptime (like we do) |
| 21:27.04 | Gnarfoz | die? |
| 21:27.06 | Stanzilla | but you have 5 years warrenty |
| 21:27.14 | Stanzilla | *a |
| 21:27.15 | Gnarfoz | I'd have noticed it dying, I hope |
| 21:27.20 | Stanzilla | yes you would |
| 21:27.26 | Stanzilla | mine spiked to 105°C when it died :D |
| 21:27.40 | Gnarfoz | time to invest in some temperature monitoring...? :D |
| 21:27.45 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 21:28.05 | Stanzilla | the mainboard will take care of that anyway |
| 21:28.09 | Stanzilla | it will just shutdown |
| 21:28.10 | nevcairiel | whats everyones favorite cpu temp monitor anyway? |
| 21:28.17 | Stanzilla | I use coretemp |
| 21:28.23 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: sure, just so I know it's happening |
| 21:28.38 | Stanzilla | with those corsair thingies I could actually use their corsair link stuff but I cba hooking it up |
| 21:28.45 | Stanzilla | because that's like one extra cable and I dont need it |
| 21:28.50 | Gnarfoz | mine is the last gen that doesn't have it, Ithink |
| 21:28.58 | Gnarfoz | or... it's optional, or something |
| 21:29.04 | Stanzilla | it's always optional |
| 21:29.06 | Gnarfoz | I think it has a two-pin thing |
| 21:29.16 | Gnarfoz | isn't it included in H??i? |
| 21:29.21 | Stanzilla | mine is 4 pin => usb micro |
| 21:29.23 | Gnarfoz | (that was one question mark too many ;D) |
| 21:29.27 | Stanzilla | yes it is |
| 21:29.36 | Stanzilla | but you dont have to use it |
| 21:29.38 | Gnarfoz | well, mine is not -i |
| 21:29.42 | nevcairiel | hm cpu idle at 30 |
| 21:29.44 | nevcairiel | fires up wow |
| 21:29.49 | Stanzilla | my new one is actually i GTX |
| 21:29.57 | Gnarfoz | sounds like Manta |
| 21:30.00 | nevcairiel | i means it has the sensor thing |
| 21:30.25 | Gnarfoz | so I kind of lost track after going through all of this... control panel: full, madvr: full? |
| 21:30.37 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 21:30.38 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 21:30.48 | Gnarfoz | speaking of which |
| 21:30.52 | Gnarfoz | if madvr doesn't detec it |
| 21:31.00 | Gnarfoz | how does it know what display I'm even talking about? |
| 21:31.01 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:31.18 | nevcairiel | i dont know, its weird |
| 21:31.41 | Gnarfoz | it's not like there's some kind of "oh, btw, this is on port 3" |
| 21:32.03 | nevcairiel | 39-40 in wow on the hottest cores |
| 21:32.07 | nevcairiel | compiles something |
| 21:32.22 | nevcairiel | wow is hardly taxing :d |
| 21:32.25 | Gnarfoz | I guess the TV just doesn't send EDID stuff... how does Windows know it's there? :| |
| 21:32.36 | Gnarfoz | guess it's time to make an account at doom9 |
| 21:32.42 | Gnarfoz | (or revive a very VERY old one) |
| 21:32.45 | nevcairiel | see you in 5 days |
| 21:32.55 | Stanzilla | http://vgy.me/d9Z5Al.png |
| 21:33.12 | nevcairiel | mine is too new, i dont have any info in the top fields |
| 21:33.37 | nevcairiel | or its a 10 thing |
| 21:33.58 | nevcairiel | 49-55 when doing 100% load on all 6 cores |
| 21:34.09 | nevcairiel | but on air, no fancy closed loop |
| 21:34.42 | Stanzilla | man, everytime I have to hard reset my PC the mega client needs to be reconfigured |
| 21:34.44 | Stanzilla | annoying :E |
| 21:35.03 | Phixion | Gnarfoz: you mean dome9? |
| 21:35.19 | Gnarfoz | Phixion: Dome is such a bad nickname for Dominik |
| 21:35.36 | Phixion | :( |
| 21:35.47 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: isn't NNEDI3 all the rage? the madVR options page for chroma upsacling seems to indicate super-xbr is better in every way :o |
| 21:36.16 | nevcairiel | there is no image quality bar |
| 21:36.22 | nevcairiel | just ringing/sharpness/aliasing |
| 21:36.26 | Gnarfoz | heh, true |
| 21:36.28 | nevcairiel | two of which are problems |
| 21:36.38 | Gnarfoz | isn't that basically the sum of all of those? |
| 21:36.40 | nevcairiel | but dont use NNEDI3 for chroma |
| 21:36.49 | nevcairiel | its a waste of GPU cycles |
| 21:36.56 | Gnarfoz | what else? |
| 21:37.01 | Gnarfoz | super-xbr? nothing? |
| 21:37.03 | nevcairiel | jinc |
| 21:37.07 | nevcairiel | maybe super-xbr |
| 21:37.29 | Gnarfoz | hm, yeah, jinc has barely any "red" |
| 21:38.23 | nevcairiel | especially when going to 4K, not wasting too much on chroma |
| 21:39.14 | Gnarfoz | why are there two places to configure scaling again? |
| 21:39.22 | Gnarfoz | "image doubling" and "chroma upscaling" |
| 21:39.31 | Gnarfoz | and "image upscaling", respectively |
| 21:39.43 | nevcairiel | because they do different things |
| 21:39.56 | Gnarfoz | I'd hope, this is not the kind of software to have those for fun |
| 21:40.00 | nevcairiel | chroma upscaling is pretty straight forward, it converts the subsampled chroma to full chroma |
| 21:40.04 | Gnarfoz | but it doesn't indicate at all what the difference is |
| 21:40.21 | nevcairiel | ie. normal videos typically use 1/4 chroma resolution only |
| 21:40.26 | Gnarfoz | ah 4:2:0 |
| 21:40.29 | nevcairiel | so thats where that one comes in |
| 21:40.37 | nevcairiel | it runs first, and converts to 4:4:4 |
| 21:40.49 | nevcairiel | which then gets turned into RGB |
| 21:40.51 | Gnarfoz | so it'd even apply on 1080p displayed on 1080p |
| 21:40.54 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 21:41.03 | Gnarfoz | (or 1200p in my case) |
| 21:41.17 | nevcairiel | after chroma was upscaled, and the image was converted to RGB, it either does image doubling or image upscaling, or both |
| 21:41.30 | nevcairiel | doubling are special algorithms that can only exactly double an image in size |
| 21:41.31 | Gnarfoz | depending on if it's an even scale factor? |
| 21:41.36 | Gnarfoz | figures |
| 21:41.40 | nevcairiel | NNEDI3 is one of those |
| 21:41.49 | nevcairiel | it works for chroma as well, sicne chroma is always a doubling |
| 21:42.14 | Gnarfoz | but it's a lot of work for the part of the image the eye is less sensitive to, anyway |
| 21:42.38 | nevcairiel | you can tell madVR when to apply doubling, it often makes sense to use it even when the final scale factor is below 2x a nd then downscale again |
| 21:42.42 | nevcairiel | think super sampling |
| 21:42.55 | Gnarfoz | :O I |
| 21:43.04 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure I want to venture there just yet |
| 21:43.04 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:43.31 | nevcairiel | for 4K, doubling is probably the best choice no matter, as even your best videos will be 1080p and need perfect doubling |
| 21:43.33 | Gnarfoz | so I set "image upscaling" to Jinc (w/ ringing filter on), least amount of "red" |
| 21:43.42 | Gnarfoz | just to have that covered |
| 21:44.12 | Gnarfoz | and under doubling... wait, why am I typing this out |
| 21:44.25 | nevcairiel | jinc with anti-ringing is about the best choice in the "conventional" scaling algorithms |
| 21:44.27 | nevcairiel | however |
| 21:44.29 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/EOYugBE.png |
| 21:44.43 | nevcairiel | if you use doubling, it may make sense to use a "weaker" one to save performance |
| 21:44.49 | Gnarfoz | I guess that radio-button is what you just talked about? |
| 21:44.54 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 21:45.22 | Stanzilla | nice, you don't have to do restarts anymore when updating samsung magician |
| 21:45.23 | nevcairiel | now it would double a 1918 image and then downscale to 1920 |
| 21:45.36 | nevcairiel | which is kind of silly |
| 21:45.41 | nevcairiel | but a thing thats possible! |
| 21:46.14 | Gnarfoz | but... didn't you just suggest that that might be sensible to do? |
| 21:46.23 | nevcairiel | well to a point |
| 21:46.38 | Gnarfoz | (also, I should probably set the chroma part to super-xbr 100, to match what I set for the regular "chroma upscaling" part?) |
| 21:46.40 | nevcairiel | with a scaling factor of 1.01, does doubling and downscaling make sense? |
| 21:46.48 | nevcairiel | i dont know |
| 21:46.53 | nevcairiel | ii have it set to 1.5x i think |
| 21:47.00 | Gnarfoz | depends on the algorithms involved, I guess |
| 21:47.15 | nevcairiel | to be fair, i have profiles setup to handle low res content differently |
| 21:47.23 | Gnarfoz | huh, I can't pick different algos left+right |
| 21:47.32 | Gnarfoz | has to match |
| 21:47.39 | Gnarfoz | guess NNEDI3 for both it is |
| 21:48.04 | Gnarfoz | (why is that better than super-xbr again? also why is super-xbr not an option in the regular image upscaling part, but it is here? SO MANY OPTIONS!) |
| 21:48.13 | nevcairiel | super-xbr is also a doubler |
| 21:48.19 | nevcairiel | it cannot scale to an arbitrary size |
| 21:48.23 | Gnarfoz | ah, that |
| 21:48.43 | nevcairiel | super-xbr is quite neat, its relatively cheap on performance and produces decent results |
| 21:48.56 | nevcairiel | NNEDI3 is superior in quality, but it eats performance |
| 21:49.02 | Gnarfoz | it's not like my box is doing much of anything while I'm watching a movie |
| 21:49.29 | nevcairiel | you are on 10, right? you might want to update madvr then |
| 21:49.31 | Gnarfoz | both of them are GPU-based? is it actually bad, or just a relative matter |
| 21:49.35 | nevcairiel | nnedi3 is broken in that version on nvidia on 10 |
| 21:49.39 | Gnarfoz | I am, 0.88.21 |
| 21:49.40 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 21:49.47 | Gnarfoz | (and the version is in the screenshot, derp) |
| 21:50.02 | nevcairiel | 0.89.5 was released just today |
| 21:50.17 | *** join/#wowace _Kasc (~Kasc@unaffiliated/kasc/x-0830193) |
| 21:50.21 | nevcairiel | everything madVR does is GPU based |
| 21:50.26 | Gnarfoz | still confused by mpc-hc not reacting to my mouse wheel in the lower status bar/controls area :D) |
| 21:50.41 | Gnarfoz | right... so, with a 780, does it really matter? |
| 21:50.41 | nevcairiel | NNEDI3 is only a bit "special" because its implemented using OpenCL |
| 21:50.55 | Gnarfoz | is it bad enough to make it go whoooosh? :D |
| 21:50.57 | nevcairiel | super-xbr and NEDI are using pixel shaders, just like all the other scalers |
| 21:51.19 | nevcairiel | and yes, there is no GPU on this planet that can run NNEDI3 on max settings |
| 21:51.28 | Gnarfoz | o_o |
| 21:51.42 | nevcairiel | set it to 256 neurons and try to double 1080p to 2160p |
| 21:52.04 | nevcairiel | rendering time in the OSD will be way high |
| 21:52.17 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure where that is |
| 21:52.29 | nevcairiel | what exactly |
| 21:52.30 | Gnarfoz | but let me update first, or it won't make any sense to anyway :D |
| 21:52.32 | Gnarfoz | which OSD? |
| 21:52.36 | nevcairiel | ctrl-j |
| 21:52.39 | Gnarfoz | MPC-HC's is turned off when I use MadVR |
| 21:52.58 | Gnarfoz | ah, I see |
| 21:53.04 | Gnarfoz | (well I see the keyboard shortcut.) |
| 21:53.12 | nevcairiel | it also tells you which scalers are active and whatnot |
| 21:53.20 | nevcairiel | its quite handy to see your settings in effect |
| 21:53.54 | Gnarfoz | I'll settle for >1.5x for now, madvr has too many options for me to make sense of at this hour |
| 21:54.37 | nevcairiel | theree is a whole load of new options that came in recently and are not quite fine-tuned yet |
| 21:54.43 | Gnarfoz | is "smooth motion frame rate conversion" some interpolation shizzle? |
| 21:54.45 | Gnarfoz | like SVP? |
| 21:54.48 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:54.54 | Gnarfoz | good *skips* |
| 21:55.07 | nevcairiel | it has it uses, but it depends on your TV |
| 21:55.15 | nevcairiel | if your TV can do proper 24p, then you dont need it |
| 21:55.21 | nevcairiel | if your TV is only 60Hz, then its useful |
| 21:55.29 | Gnarfoz | it can do 24, but not 23.976 :D |
| 21:55.41 | Gnarfoz | (not via HDMI at least) |
| 21:55.48 | nevcairiel | the difference is too small for smooth motion to do its job |
| 21:55.58 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 21:56.14 | nevcairiel | smooth motion tries to blend the video so you dont get stuttering due to a mismatched frame rate |
| 21:56.27 | Gnarfoz | "use DXVA chroma upscaling when doing native DXVA decoding" - I guess I should turn that off :D |
| 21:56.28 | Phixion | http://ph.ixx.io/n/wqYgZ oO |
| 21:56.28 | nevcairiel | but if the difference is too small, you get terrible ghosting |
| 21:56.46 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: you should really never use dxva decoding with madvr, not dxva-native anyway |
| 21:56.56 | Gnarfoz | Phixion: hide yo kids, hide yo wife, hide yo credit cards? |
| 21:57.05 | Phixion | always! |
| 21:57.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the rabbit hole keeps getting deeper |
| 21:57.23 | nevcairiel | thats the point of rabbit holes! |
| 21:57.32 | Gnarfoz | arguably |
| 21:57.53 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
| 21:58.11 | Gnarfoz | "Active Decoder: dxva2n" |
| 21:58.18 | nevcairiel | set it to dxva2cb |
| 21:58.50 | nevcairiel | (dont use cuvid on 10, its kinda broken, i should disable it on 10, i guess) |
| 21:58.54 | Gnarfoz | dxva2cb direct |
| 21:59.44 | Gnarfoz | why on earth does this lav also have a radiobuttion for TV vs PC levels |
| 21:59.54 | Gnarfoz | I now have at least 4 places where I can configure that :D |
| 22:00.01 | nevcairiel | that only matters when lav does conversion to rgb |
| 22:00.10 | Gnarfoz | doesn't it? |
| 22:00.11 | nevcairiel | which it should never do if you dont mess with the settings too much |
| 22:00.20 | Gnarfoz | hm, I don't think I did |
| 22:00.31 | nevcairiel | if its dxva2cb direct then its not doing it |
| 22:00.36 | nevcairiel | its not direct anymore then =p |
| 22:00.42 | Gnarfoz | pfff logic |
| 22:01.01 | nevcairiel | any image processing in software is super slow |
| 22:01.05 | nevcairiel | so its best left to the renderer |
| 22:01.19 | nevcairiel | it can do it on the gpu |
| 22:03.05 | Gnarfoz | aha, lose BTB and WTW if it improves performance |
| 22:03.12 | Gnarfoz | at least I now know what the hell that is about |
| 22:03.37 | Gnarfoz | I like the "these should not be used, but you're the boss" disclaimer :p |
| 22:03.48 | nevcairiel | oh that may explain why you didnt see them even when the option was changed |
| 22:03.58 | nevcairiel | i think its default now |
| 22:04.00 | nevcairiel | (its rather new) |
| 22:04.04 | Gnarfoz | hm, it's off |
| 22:04.07 | Gnarfoz | if you thought it was on |
| 22:04.07 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 22:04.46 | nevcairiel | oh right ii remember, you couldnt change the optiion because your TV is missing |
| 22:04.52 | nevcairiel | i dont suppose it showed up in the new version |
| 22:06.50 | Gnarfoz | I'll see in a minute |
| 22:06.57 | Gnarfoz | also I didn't realize madvr-guy is from Hamburg, too |
| 22:07.11 | nevcairiel | oddly enough we never met |
| 22:07.36 | nevcairiel | we planned to once but the plan fell through and somehow we didnt reschedule :d |
| 22:07.55 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 22:08.13 | Gnarfoz | is upgrading madvr just replacing the files, or do I need to re-register the filter or something |
| 22:08.21 | nevcairiel | usually just replace the files |
| 22:11.00 | nevcairiel | i like the clear out the folder first myself |
| 22:13.06 | Gnarfoz | interestingly enough, the RGB levels tweaker thing (and, come to think of it, my tv on/off tool) just call the TV \\.\DISPLAY3 |
| 22:13.38 | Gnarfoz | whereas the desktop monitors are \\.\DISPLAY1, Dell U2412M(Digital), Dell U2412M |
| 22:14.36 | nevcairiel | odd |
| 22:15.19 | nevcairiel | dont need the level tweaker anymore though, that was before nvidia had an option in the control panel |
| 22:15.37 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I was just curious what it was and saw the name |
| 22:16.43 | Gnarfoz | hm, the only new options that weren't there before are under "zoom control" (I think. not sure I looked at that earlier) |
| 22:16.57 | nevcairiel | yeah thats a new area |
| 22:19.06 | Gnarfoz | lolwut |
| 22:19.08 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 22:19.37 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 22:20.07 | Gnarfoz | gah, of course the super artifacts are not in the screenshot mpc-hc saves |
| 22:20.15 | nevcairiel | printscreen |
| 22:20.23 | Gnarfoz | in overlay mode? |
| 22:20.31 | nevcairiel | hm guess that may not w ork there |
| 22:20.36 | nevcairiel | switch to normal windowed mode! |
| 22:20.40 | Gnarfoz | weirdly enough it does |
| 22:20.52 | nevcairiel | its not the old funky overlay mode |
| 22:21.34 | Gnarfoz | I guess... just a namesake |
| 22:21.56 | Gnarfoz | good thing is that it goes around flux's color temperature fiddling |
| 22:22.17 | Gnarfoz | hey :( imgur turned my png into a jpeg http://i.imgur.com/4hLdPb4.jpg |
| 22:22.31 | nevcairiel | i've seen people report problems with ru nning flux and the like while watching videos though |
| 22:22.33 | Gnarfoz | I guess they don't like 10.5 MiB pngs |
| 22:22.51 | nevcairiel | i've also seen someone report that problem |
| 22:22.55 | nevcairiel | not sure what happened to him |
| 22:23.01 | nevcairiel | updated drivers i think |
| 22:23.03 | Gnarfoz | eaten by green blocks |
| 22:23.12 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: link to latest geforce drivers, plx |
| 22:23.22 | Gnarfoz | (good to know who to ask for things!) |
| 22:23.23 | Stanzilla | http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=567039 |
| 22:23.35 | nevcairiel | dont link him silly developer drivers |
| 22:23.47 | Stanzilla | they are from the main branch |
| 22:24.04 | Stanzilla | I actually had that page still open because I checked it out yesterday |
| 22:24.23 | nevcairiel | http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/355.98/355.98-desktop-win10-64bit-international-whql.exe |
| 22:24.28 | nevcairiel | those are the ones i use |
| 22:25.47 | Gnarfoz | mh, I'm on 353.62, :S |
| 22:26.17 | Gnarfoz | also, it's dropping frames like mad, although it's probably not really in a good state to be judging it about that :D |
| 22:26.39 | nevcairiel | render time is 73.5 ms |
| 22:26.47 | Gnarfoz | nnedi3 too stronk? |
| 22:26.47 | nevcairiel | too high settings |
| 22:27.02 | Gnarfoz | but maybe it's slow for the same reason those blocks are there ^^ |
| 22:27.09 | nevcairiel | (also, you didnt use overlay mode) |
| 22:27.13 | Gnarfoz | I didn't? |
| 22:27.19 | Gnarfoz | it should be windowed overlay when fullscreened |
| 22:27.24 | nevcairiel | it says in the screen, d3d11 windowed fullscreen |
| 22:27.27 | Gnarfoz | at least that's what I told madvr |
| 22:27.45 | nevcairiel | oh yeah i think d3d11 overrules overlay since its not compatible |
| 22:27.51 | nevcairiel | overlay is 9 only |
| 22:27.55 | Gnarfoz | derp |
| 22:28.11 | Gnarfoz | and I switched to d3d11 since d3d9 had... I don't know anymore what kind of issue |
| 22:28.21 | nevcairiel | imho 11 has more issues |
| 22:28.23 | Gnarfoz | stuttering or something. not even sure WHEN I switched that |
| 22:29.16 | Gnarfoz | yeah, turning off d3d11 makes it turn to "d3d9 fullscreen overlay" |
| 22:29.29 | Gnarfoz | I have to get up to read the damn madvr overlay :P |
| 22:29.34 | Gnarfoz | it's so tiny |
| 22:29.56 | nevcairiel | screenshot and look at it on the other monitor xD |
| 22:30.25 | Gnarfoz | I considered that! :D |
| 22:30.36 | Gnarfoz | thank god for fast interwebs |
| 22:30.50 | Gnarfoz | 290 MiB monster drivers from hell? not a problem, here in 20 seconds |
| 22:32.01 | nevcairiel | apparently a gpu driver has more LoC than the OS itself, so give it a break |
| 22:32.39 | Stanzilla | 90% workarounds for stupid game code |
| 22:33.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: saywhat |
| 22:34.05 | Gnarfoz | not serious, I hope |
| 22:34.05 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:34.16 | nevcairiel | i think someone from nvidia said that once |
| 22:34.20 | Gnarfoz | awww, BDA crashed, of course |
| 22:34.25 | nevcairiel | it' |
| 22:34.28 | nevcairiel | ll do that |
| 22:34.37 | nevcairiel | i'm just happy it doesnt UAC me anymore |
| 22:34.40 | nevcairiel | let it crash once in a while |
| 22:34.47 | Gnarfoz | the fun thing is that WoW keeps on trucking |
| 22:34.51 | Gnarfoz | but the BDA dies |
| 22:35.09 | nevcairiel | i dont think i would dare re-install my driver with wow running :D |
| 22:35.26 | nevcairiel | or any game for that matter |
| 22:35.33 | Gnarfoz | also what the hell, there was some kind of popup while I was typing and it ate 1 or 2 keystrokes and who knows what the hell I just chose/activated/deleted |
| 22:35.42 | nevcairiel | i hate when that happens |
| 22:35.44 | Gnarfoz | I tried it for shits and giggles, I was amazed it works |
| 22:36.11 | Gnarfoz | I guess I'll install the driver straight over again, in case it was from nvidia's installer (although I don't remember it having popups) |
| 22:36.36 | Gnarfoz | huh |
| 22:36.39 | Gnarfoz | 3D vision driver |
| 22:36.42 | Gnarfoz | I hadn't selected that |
| 22:41.30 | Stanzilla | rekt |
| 22:44.08 | Gnarfoz | although I don't see why there would be a random popup resulting in that being installed |
| 22:44.21 | Gnarfoz | probably wasn't the installer at all |
| 22:44.29 | Gnarfoz | oh hey |
| 22:44.32 | Gnarfoz | https://github.com/mpc-hc/mpc-hc/commit/19e47dff6c349eb030e1456241272e15c4d71245 and parent |
| 22:44.37 | Gnarfoz | \o/ |
| 22:44.41 | Gnarfoz | I'm NOT going mad, then |
| 22:44.50 | Gnarfoz | (I'm going madVR though... HUUAR HUAR HUAR HUAR) |
| 22:44.56 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:46.54 | Gnarfoz | reported 8 months ago?! |
| 22:47.33 | Stanzilla | #justWin10things |
| 22:48.29 | Gnarfoz | idle at ~40 °C, btw |
| 22:48.43 | Stanzilla | sounds fine :p |
| 22:48.51 | nevcairiel | for cpu that sounds kinda hot for idle |
| 22:51.18 | Gnarfoz | it's a i7-2600K, not sure it can be much lower |
| 22:51.22 | Gnarfoz | random imgur http://imgur.com/gallery/Y7ORyz9 |
| 22:54.31 | Gnarfoz | (on the other hand, maybe some new TIM and properly cleaning the radiator could help) |
| 22:55.16 | Stanzilla | not that i matters |
| 22:55.18 | Stanzilla | *t |
| 22:55.44 | Timmeh | a new me? :-( |
| 22:55.50 | Timmeh | Gnarfoz: what's wrong with the current me? |
| 22:56.25 | Timmeh | I like the current me :-( |
| 22:59.04 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: what do you mean? if the idle temps are bad, it would follow that load temps are, too |
| 22:59.28 | Gnarfoz | also as I hinted earlier, my PC has become noticeably "loud" :( |
| 23:00.01 | Gnarfoz | might be the 32 or so spinning platters of rust ;p |
| 23:00.26 | Gnarfoz | might. I need to check that. but at least 4 of them refuse to let themselves be put to sleep by software :| |
| 23:00.30 | Stanzilla | I meant that it's not an issue, if it is still that low |
| 23:00.45 | Gnarfoz | well sure, it's far from critical, if you meant that |
| 23:00.49 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:01.04 | Gnarfoz | just saying, if it could be lower, it could also mean less noisy |
| 23:03.18 | Gnarfoz | huh |
| 23:03.43 | Gnarfoz | madvr or mpchc (not even sure which one does that) forgot what to do when I go fullscreen (i.e. put the video on the TV) |
| 23:03.48 | Stanzilla | most of your noise is probably not fromn the 2 cpu fans :p |
| 23:03.58 | Gnarfoz | one |
| 23:04.05 | Stanzilla | oke h100 has two |
| 23:04.09 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 23:04.15 | nevcairiel | the noisiest part for me are all the HDDs in my file server |
| 23:04.22 | Timmeh | unless he uses fans made of spinning rusty platters |
| 23:04.22 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 23:04.27 | nevcairiel | turns out 20 spinning disks accumulate quite a bunch of noise |
| 23:04.34 | Gnarfoz | liar |
| 23:04.39 | Gnarfoz | that's impossible |
| 23:05.04 | Gnarfoz | I'd like to run our SAN without fans for a minute |
| 23:05.05 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 23:05.26 | Gnarfoz | (well the fans are for the PSUs, really) |
| 23:06.04 | Gnarfoz | how did my displays now become DISPLAY11 12 and 13 |
| 23:07.26 | Gnarfoz | yep, green monster blocks of doom are still there |
| 23:10.04 | Gnarfoz | if I turn on just luma doubling, it's black columns and garbage |
| 23:10.42 | Gnarfoz | super-xbr works without artifacts, it seems |
| 23:11.03 | nevcairiel | seems like the person that reported the problem didnt find a fix yet |
| 23:11.14 | nevcairiel | maybe some setting combination or who knows what |
| 23:12.06 | nevcairiel | his had black and white blocks though, but otherwise similar looking |
| 23:13.00 | nevcairiel | http://i.imgur.com/UWEQtWW.gif |
| 23:14.08 | nevcairiel | anyway, time for sleepies |
| 23:15.16 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that looks familiar enough |
| 23:16.39 | Gnarfoz | haha, nnedi3 256... it just straight up and dies, never presents another frame |
| 23:16.53 | Gnarfoz | not to mention my Quassel input box is super laggy |
| 23:18.07 | Gnarfoz | hmm, perfcap reason: Thrm |
| 23:18.17 | nevcairiel | that hot? |
| 23:18.24 | Gnarfoz | Fan Speed: 58%? |
| 23:18.41 | Gnarfoz | spin to win, nvidia, spin to win |
| 23:18.45 | nevcairiel | personally i feel default fan curves in the nvidia bios are super conservative |
| 23:18.46 | Gnarfoz | 82 °C |
| 23:19.15 | Gnarfoz | 99% load, 67.5% TDP |
| 23:19.36 | nevcairiel | right, i wanted to go sleep |
| 23:19.36 | Gnarfoz | (still showing the same frame, I guess it can't drop them fast enough to keep up xD) |
| 23:19.51 | nevcairiel | does it mention a rendering time? |
| 23:20.22 | Gnarfoz | 444 ms |
| 23:20.26 | nevcairiel | heh nice |
| 23:20.29 | Gnarfoz | but it clearly spent several minutes |
| 23:20.30 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:20.39 | Gnarfoz | "NEDI" just gives me a blinking image, what the hell |
| 23:20.56 | nevcairiel | are you sure it just isnt still suffering from before |
| 23:20.56 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 23:21.07 | Gnarfoz | I guess it is |
| 23:21.11 | Gnarfoz | because super-xbr also does it |
| 23:21.17 | Gnarfoz | guess it's ded |
| 23:21.34 | Gnarfoz | not even turning doubling off fixes it |
| 23:21.56 | Gnarfoz | exiting fullscreen does |
| 23:23.36 | Gnarfoz | anyway, even NNEDI3 16 does the artifacts *shrug* |
| 23:24.50 | Gnarfoz | now that it's proper overlay I can't take printscreen screenshots anymore, btw |
| 23:24.55 | Gnarfoz | :s |
| 23:29.42 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: apparently, NNEDI3 is out of the question, even 16 maxes the GPU |
| 23:30.32 | Gnarfoz | well, 96%. render time: 42.6ms, which is just a hair above what 23.976 allows |
| 23:30.49 | Gnarfoz | I wouldn't have expected that, tbh |
| 23:37.17 | Gnarfoz | also, overlay mode doesn't seem to avoid flux meddling |
