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11:03.59 | Gnarfoz | Phixion: g'day mate |
11:13.44 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: so apparently, these few filters make the pool rather shallow |
11:13.50 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: http://i.imgur.com/26qTQNB.png |
11:14.25 | nevcairiel | using diagonale und breite seems odd |
11:17.09 | Gnarfoz | one is from the other is up to? |
11:17.34 | Gnarfoz | I'm constrained by width, not diagonale per sé |
11:18.16 | nevcairiel | all the interesting technical filter categories are sadly not very accurate |
11:18.20 | nevcairiel | most of them are unknown |
11:18.43 | Gnarfoz | (although I could move that one cabinet... but I don't really want to, every other place in the room would be... odd) |
11:18.51 | Gnarfoz | gah quasselweb not scrolling down |
11:19.08 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how he can leave that so broken |
11:19.17 | nevcairiel | usually: works for him |
11:19.17 | nevcairiel | :D |
11:19.51 | Kalroth | its open sores, you can fix it!! |
11:20.25 | Gnarfoz | you are open sores |
11:20.32 | Gnarfoz | and I guess I'll make a ticket :p |
11:22.34 | Gnarfoz | weirdly enough, there's not that many 1080p 48" ones that are cheaper than that one 2160p Samsung |
11:22.40 | nevcairiel | man going above 55" sure bumps up the price quickly |
11:22.52 | Gnarfoz | even 50" thins out the herd quite a bit |
11:23.14 | Gnarfoz | I think I'm going to stick with 48", as that juuust fits, when moving the cabinets apart a bit :D |
11:23.38 | Gnarfoz | currently trialing that positioning, to see if I'll stupidly run into them all the time :p |
11:24.00 | Gnarfoz | (there's a reason you leave a bit of room at door frames) |
11:24.27 | nevcairiel | interestingly all the quantum dot tvs dont do 3D |
11:24.38 | Gnarfoz | I moved the left one so it just touches the light switch and the other one so it's a bit closer to the kitchen door |
11:24.40 | nevcairiel | not that I care, but the tech must be somehow conflicting |
11:25.20 | nevcairiel | or well, at least samsungs quantum dots |
11:25.23 | nevcairiel | sony seems to do both |
11:26.04 | Gnarfoz | that's unlikely, it's just a different kind of color filter? Samsung just has really few 3D models for some reason |
11:26.13 | Gnarfoz | dang time to make that ticket |
11:26.22 | nevcairiel | if i were to buy a 4k tv today, i would probably go for UE60JU6850, or the 55 model of it if i wanted to save money |
11:27.22 | Megalon | :o |
11:27.23 | Gnarfoz | I feel kind of dumb buying a 4K TV a) that's 48" and b) I'll sit a mere 2.5 m from |
11:27.37 | nevcairiel | move closer :) |
11:27.37 | Gnarfoz | but the 1080p ones really don't convince me at all, either |
11:29.51 | Gnarfoz | most of them have older OSes or just none specified at all |
11:29.58 | nevcairiel | it appears samsung uses low-refreshrate panels which top out at 50/60Hz, which is why they dont do 3D |
11:30.23 | nevcairiel | you need twice that for proper 3D |
11:30.31 | Kalroth | just buy two screens |
11:32.02 | Megalon | ^ |
11:34.22 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah, that's what I read a couple of times, too |
11:34.35 | Gnarfoz | not that I could feed it 4k60 anyway with my 780 |
11:34.47 | Gnarfoz | (that's another problem that's upcoming... cabling) |
11:34.49 | nevcairiel | 60 works fine, just anything above that doesnt |
11:34.58 | nevcairiel | but higher might be better future proofing |
11:36.06 | Gnarfoz | you mean on the TV side? |
11:36.09 | nevcairiel | yes |
11:36.15 | Gnarfoz | well, yeah |
11:36.34 | Gnarfoz | :s before buying anything, I'd really like to find a 1080p model I like |
11:36.43 | Gnarfoz | so far I've only managed to find a 4K one I like :D |
11:37.05 | Gnarfoz | https://geizhals.de/samsung-ue48ju6470-a1244072.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu |
11:37.37 | nevcairiel | in that price range its probably pretty good |
11:37.49 | nevcairiel | mind you my 1080p tv cost more than that back in the day |
11:38.02 | Gnarfoz | very, for some reason it even beats its lower-spec cousin (6450) |
11:38.21 | Gnarfoz | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PEEenRKlY-plvXW9BfXrJ0ymRb5-haUS9JrX_TRwNJs/edit?usp=sharing |
11:38.21 | nevcairiel | arent such minimal number differences just different countries or something |
11:38.41 | Kalroth | regions, yeah |
11:38.52 | Gnarfoz | nah, see table |
11:39.09 | Kalroth | nordic countries, german & bavaria, etc. |
11:39.14 | Kalroth | +y |
11:39.17 | nevcairiel | SCART seems to be a german thing mostly, so a TV designed for another region may simply not have it :D |
11:39.26 | Gnarfoz | although: that particular model only exists on Samsungs Austrian website, I blame Megalon |
11:39.44 | Kalroth | pretty sure SCART has been dead here in Denmark for a while .. unless we buy TVs in Aldi .. :P |
11:39.49 | nevcairiel | .. which seems to be the only difference between 6470 and 6450 |
11:40.04 | Gnarfoz | it has a headphone out~ |
11:40.08 | Kalroth | :D |
11:40.30 | Gnarfoz | power figures are the same as the 6450 btw, I just didn't populate that after going to Samsung's website |
11:40.43 | Megalon | jacks up Gnarfoz to Fisker using SCART |
11:40.45 | Gnarfoz | but the real question remains: why is the 6450 more expensive than the 6470 |
11:40.55 | Kalroth | http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/skp/faq/1052003 |
11:40.58 | nevcairiel | austrians dont have that much money |
11:40.58 | Gnarfoz | market forces at work, I guess |
11:40.59 | Megalon | let the danish run wild inside you, *foz |
11:41.16 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: yeah, but - all of them are "Europe" models |
11:41.23 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz, and we're in europe!! |
11:41.26 | Kalroth | hooooray |
11:41.36 | Gnarfoz | the "manufacturing info" is totally opaque, but I think that's really the one indicating market |
11:41.42 | nevcairiel | there is different models for different EU regions |
11:41.47 | Gnarfoz | all models at Media Markt are XZG for example |
11:41.49 | Kalroth | yup |
11:42.03 | nevcairiel | for example the 6850 is germany, and 6870 is austria |
11:42.06 | Kalroth | the latter 3 digits are usually local regions |
11:42.08 | nevcairiel | from the model i liked earlier |
11:42.20 | Kalroth | 6000 series, 850-870 regions |
11:42.28 | nevcairiel | more like the last two |
11:42.32 | Gnarfoz | well, in that case, thanks Austria for a cheaper model |
11:42.33 | nevcairiel | the 8 is still part of the model |
11:43.05 | Megalon | only good things coming out of austria, yay! |
11:43.21 | Gnarfoz | history supports your statement |
11:43.24 | Gnarfoz | clearly |
11:43.25 | Kalroth | Megalon, only good things and only bad people |
11:43.35 | Megalon | no bad people |
11:43.42 | Megalon | we export those to germany before the get anything going here |
11:43.44 | Kalroth | name me just one good austrian person! |
11:43.45 | Phixion | :o |
11:43.46 | Kalroth | oh |
11:43.47 | Gnarfoz | Mozart wasn't so bad? |
11:43.54 | Megalon | beethoven! |
11:43.56 | Megalon | >:D |
11:43.56 | Kalroth | i hate classic music!! |
11:44.01 | Phixion | beathoven |
11:44.04 | Phixion | (: |
11:44.07 | Megalon | beathooven |
11:44.09 | Gnarfoz | Beethoven? you're mad |
11:44.13 | Megalon | the sartyr dj |
11:44.15 | Gnarfoz | he's from Germany :( |
11:44.24 | Gnarfoz | was, whatever |
11:44.34 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
11:44.34 | Fisker | e |
11:44.34 | Fisker | y |
11:44.41 | Gnarfoz | yes, very 3d of you, Fisker |
11:45.09 | nevcairiel | thats the common misconceptions from people tha tdont know any better .. hitler is austrian, and not german, and beethoven is german, and not austrian :p |
11:45.17 | Kalroth | haha |
11:45.49 | Megalon | nev foiled my plan |
11:45.50 | Gnarfoz | not too long before that whole business, "German" was a rather wide term, too |
11:46.00 | Fisker | I knew hitler was Austrian nevcairiel |
11:46.14 | Kalroth | Josef Madersperger, invented the sewing machine in 1818 |
11:46.24 | Kalroth | Eduard Haas, inventor of the Pez candy |
11:46.32 | Kalroth | austria is a productive country! |
11:46.58 | Megalon | we invented the turbojet |
11:47.00 | Megalon | so fuck off :P |
11:47.21 | Kalroth | :D |
11:47.21 | Megalon | and basically everything that involved drilling a hole through a mountain |
11:47.23 | Megalon | haha |
11:47.47 | Megalon | Auer von Welsbach, inventor of gaslight |
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11:47.56 | Megalon | oh now i know why we have a auer von welsbach straÃe |
11:48.33 | Kalroth | dont promote austria too much though, or merkel will think it's anschluss time again |
11:48.54 | Kalroth | need room for all the refugees |
11:49.38 | Megalon | i heard you can rent liechtenstein |
11:49.48 | Megalon | why not do that and let them set up camp there |
11:49.52 | Kalroth | great for birthday parties |
11:50.07 | Megalon | also, list of austrians on wikipedia lists a guy inventing lithography |
11:50.18 | Megalon | and on the guys page: "... invented in 1796 by German ..." |
11:50.38 | Megalon | preposterous! |
11:50.41 | Kalroth | haha |
11:54.37 | Gnarfoz | enwiki being enwiki |
11:54.41 | Gnarfoz | at least they have a page |
11:55.01 | Gnarfoz | dewiki would either bunch it up in some broader article or just delete it for lack of "encyclopedic relevancy" |
11:55.31 | Gnarfoz | sooo before I go have lunch suspiciously close to Media Markt, I should find a 1080p model :P |
11:56.13 | Gnarfoz | they do have this one https://geizhals.de/samsung-ue48ju6050-a1294855.html? but I'd really like to avoid anything with the "two prong" style stand |
11:56.27 | Gnarfoz | because I'm planning on placing it on a TV bench that's smaller than the actual TV ^^ |
11:57.15 | Kalroth | buy a bigger bench while you're at it |
11:57.27 | Kalroth | those feet look silly tho |
11:57.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm already running out of room as it is |
11:58.42 | Gnarfoz | the real solution would of course be to look for a bigger flat again, to end this "5 ¹/â year provisional flat" thing :p |
11:59.01 | Gnarfoz | (I wonder if my layout has the real 1/2 fraction somewhere...) |
11:59.58 | Gnarfoz | but the housing market is really empty here, and has been for the last few years |
12:00.20 | nevcairiel | i've been putting off looking for a new flat as well |
12:00.24 | nevcairiel | I would like to buy one |
12:00.26 | Gnarfoz | and I'm loathe to dig through the newspaper small ads, no pictures :( |
12:00.28 | nevcairiel | but thats insane right now |
12:00.59 | nevcairiel | .. and renting is annoying, especially right now, the landlords often dont like self-employed people :( |
12:01.01 | Gnarfoz | that was recommended to me, too, to use my Bausparvertrag as collateral to get a loan and buy a flat |
12:01.06 | Megalon | I got a flat for you *foz, it's in my basement |
12:01.08 | Megalon | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
12:01.16 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: sure thing, does it have fast interwebs |
12:02.36 | Megalon | http://www.speedtest.net/result/4662353078.png |
12:02.51 | Megalon | :c |
12:03.22 | Kalroth | haha, dialup users |
12:03.44 | Megalon | yea, can't get more than 30mbit |
12:04.16 | Kalroth | i'm getting fiber in a month or so \o/ |
12:06.42 | nevcairiel | I keep bumping my upper limit on flats I might consider buying, but it doesnt really increase the number of places available |
12:06.49 | nevcairiel | a lot of them are just far too expensive to even consider |
12:07.12 | wink | no shit |
12:08.30 | Fisker | http://www.speedtest.net/result/4651070154.png <-sometimes fast internet |
12:09.14 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that's Hamburg for you |
12:09.40 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: what the shit |
12:10.00 | Fisker | what? |
12:12.21 | Gnarfoz | what kind of interwebs is that |
12:12.35 | Gnarfoz | upload seems a bit too fat for it to be Cable |
12:12.51 | Gnarfoz | but if it's fiber, upload seems thin ;| |
12:13.03 | Gnarfoz | and VDSL isn't quite there, yet |
12:24.56 | Fisker | It's cable Gnarfoz |
12:25.01 | Fisker | cable boys |
12:26.06 | Gnarfoz | your cable providers must be very generous if they allocate you that much upstream |
12:26.18 | Gnarfoz | (hence: sometimes fast) |
12:30.48 | nebula | that's pretty common here in the us with cable, once you get over 100mbit, upload is typically 50ish |
12:33.14 | Gnarfoz | smells like overselling to me, upstream is cable's bottleneck |
12:33.31 | Gnarfoz | (apart from the general shared capacity problem) |
12:40.32 | nebula | i mean, it's only the upper tier stuff, everyone else sits around 5-10 |
12:41.48 | znf | DOCSIS 3.1 does up to 1Gbit/s upstream |
12:42.15 | znf | but DOCSIS3 can handle what Fisker linked |
12:42.21 | znf | depends on how many channels do they use ^^ |
12:43.01 | Fisker | 4 upstream channels it appears |
12:43.18 | znf | also it's starting to be common for cable providers to deploy CMTS in neighbourhoods |
12:43.48 | znf | (similar to local DSLAMs) |
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14:02.24 | Gnarfoz | cleraly, but that means â¬â¬â¬ |
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14:03.08 | Gnarfoz | and at least our Cable companies are very stingy about giving you more channels than strictly necessary |
14:03.55 | Kalroth | znf, yup, i got 300/40mbit with docsis3 right now |
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14:18.10 | Gnarfoz | highest on offer in my area is 200/20 |
14:21.39 | Gnarfoz | whoa google photos |
14:23.08 | Gnarfoz | not bad at all http://i.imgur.com/zryYFwI.png |
14:23.09 | nevcairiel | i can only get 200/12 on cable :( |
14:23.28 | Gnarfoz | (I was looking for the one at middle right) |
14:23.38 | nevcairiel | but KDG has a traffic cap now |
14:23.51 | nevcairiel | Ab einem Gesamtdatenvolumen von mehr als 10 GB pro Tag wird die Ãbertragungsgeschwindigkeit nur für Filesharing-Anwendungen und nur bis zum Ablauf desselben Tages auf 100 Kbit/s begrenzt. |
14:23.54 | nevcairiel | go f' yourself |
14:24.02 | Megalon | lol |
14:24.25 | nevcairiel | oh and a 1000 GB overall monthly volume, after which you get throttled to 10mbit |
14:25.06 | Megalon | it's like those LTE contracts with a 1-3gb cap |
14:25.20 | Funkeh` | hardly :P |
14:25.33 | Megalon | literally the same! |
14:25.37 | nevcairiel | interestingly, the 100mbit contract lacks the 1000gb limit, but still has the same daily limit |
14:26.06 | Semlar | throttles nevcairiel |
14:26.20 | nevcairiel | no way, i have completely unthrottled DSL! |
14:26.58 | znf | Where is Stanzilla |
14:27.22 | znf | And why are Google Play services being such dicks in my battery? |
14:28.18 | silentium | does any traffic count towards that 10 GB limit, or only "file sharing applications"? (whatever they mean with that classification) |
14:28.24 | Fisker | morning Ressy |
14:28.31 | Gnarfoz | znf: because they are what enables all those fancy push thingies |
14:28.34 | nevcairiel | silentium: any, apparently |
14:28.37 | Fisker | Gnarfoz work pays mine :D |
14:28.47 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: nice of work |
14:29.11 | znf | Gnarfoz: I'm not sure how that translates to 10% of my battery! |
14:29.21 | nevcairiel | too many apps with push functions |
14:29.21 | nevcairiel | :D |
14:29.32 | znf | 11% actually |
14:29.39 | silentium | nevcairiel: so you better start the day downloading 10 GB via "file sharing applications" and then only use other traffic-generating services for the rest of the day, instead of the other way round :) |
14:29.49 | Gnarfoz | znf: bad reception, possibly, making it wake up more often than it needs to? |
14:29.59 | nevcairiel | even better: stick to DSL :) |
14:30.00 | silentium | 10 GB over a 100 MBit/s connection only takes 13 minutes anyway |
14:30.15 | znf | Gnarfoz: I'm mostly on WiFi though |
14:30.20 | Gnarfoz | well :| |
14:30.28 | znf | It does some weird things with the location |
14:30.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: shame it's at its limit for the moment, though |
14:30.35 | znf | My wake locks are weird as fuck |
14:30.46 | Gnarfoz | go to a hairdresser, get those locks straightened out |
14:31.13 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: 100/40 would be fine for me, but those damn idiots keep protesting that telekom cnanot upgrade their boxes to vectoring |
14:31.18 | Gnarfoz | Cable can just go bundle up more channels per user to sell bigger numbers (and then nobody gets those speeds because shared medium) |
14:31.24 | nevcairiel | way to protect the consumers .. protect me from more speed..great |
14:31.25 | znf | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WMluErpV/Screenshot_2015-09-14-17-30-56.png |
14:31.26 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: huh? :o |
14:31.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I somehow thought you had vectoring |
14:31.37 | nevcairiel | i dont |
14:31.39 | znf | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Y0BOEVYv/Screenshot_2015-09-14-17-30-47.png |
14:31.41 | nevcairiel | i live in a big city |
14:31.47 | nevcairiel | no vectoring in big cities |
14:31.49 | Gnarfoz | znf: what the hell is that app, wtb BBS |
14:32.03 | znf | Gnarfoz: Amplify |
14:32.09 | nevcairiel | because other idiot providers keep complaining that telekom wants to steal back their customers |
14:32.12 | znf | BBS? |
14:32.16 | Gnarfoz | betterbatterystats |
14:32.35 | Gnarfoz | I guess it needs root to be good, though |
14:32.42 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that's... tinfoil time? |
14:32.50 | nevcairiel | well its kind of true |
14:32.57 | nevcairiel | vectoring means telekom cannot share the lines anymore |
14:33.00 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: why don't they just claim the DSLAMs for themselves, I thought that's how it was supposed to work |
14:33.13 | Gnarfoz | they just sell bitstream access vs. own-equipment access |
14:33.14 | nevcairiel | anyway, just the most recent article http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/VDSL-Beschleuniger-Vectoring-Wettbewerber-fordern-Minister-Machtwort-gegen-Telekom-Deal-2807505.html |
14:33.16 | Gnarfoz | probably at higher prices |
14:33.30 | nevcairiel | the argument in that article mostly applies to big cities |
14:33.37 | Gnarfoz | meh |
14:33.42 | Gnarfoz | that article is about HVTs |
14:33.50 | Gnarfoz | are you in range of one of those? |
14:34.05 | Gnarfoz | or are you fed by an outdoor DSLAM |
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14:34.07 | nevcairiel | i could look a bit further back for the others =p |
14:34.16 | nevcairiel | but they keep coming up and up |
14:34.42 | Gnarfoz | that's the only part I was aware of, DTAG so far not offering vectoring from their HVTs because that's where their competition has their own equipment |
14:34.56 | Gnarfoz | in the outdoor DSLAMs the competition doesn't have equipment anyway |
14:35.41 | nevcairiel | latest news I read was that vectoring isnt coming to the big cities before 2016 |
14:36.16 | Gnarfoz | well, if it means using the HVTs, that has to be decided first, I guess |
14:37.00 | nevcairiel | i think there is a normal dslam here, but they may not want to create such a spotty upgrade map if they cant upgrade millions of people that live near a HVT |
14:37.38 | znf | Gnarfoz: installed. Thanks |
14:40.39 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: well, areas that already have access to VDSL are probably not that high on their priority list, I guess |
14:41.03 | Gnarfoz | which means the HVT thing is probably just to fuck the others over, as the others are alleging :D |
14:41.49 | nevcairiel | even things low on priority want to get upgraded eventually! |
14:42.23 | Gnarfoz | sure |
14:43.02 | Gnarfoz | every time I see Kabel Deutsch^W^W Vodafone advertising their "Kabel-Glasfasernetz" I throw up a little in my mouth |
14:44.26 | Gnarfoz | oh hey, that was quick |
14:44.28 | nevcairiel | its still silly that some areas might potentially never get vectoring just to keep a choice of another provider .. like those people really care to have a choice |
14:44.31 | Gnarfoz | rebuilds quassel-webserver |
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14:52.13 | znf | Gnarfoz: yeah. I have no idea how to use that |
15:06.44 | Gnarfoz | :( |
15:06.59 | Gnarfoz | so, visit to Media Markt was unenlightening, as expected |
15:07.17 | Gnarfoz | except for reaffirming the weird impression that those TVs seem smaller than they really should be |
15:07.28 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's because they're free-standing without anything around them |
15:07.39 | Gnarfoz | also, many of them are below eye-line |
15:07.56 | Gnarfoz | s/line/level/ |
15:08.07 | Gnarfoz | well the free-standing ones, the ones on the walls are either below, at, or above :p |
15:08.29 | Gnarfoz | anyway, that kind fuels that urge to get a 55" one |
15:08.33 | Gnarfoz | even though I don't have room for it :P |
15:08.44 | nebula | go big or go home! |
15:11.47 | Gnarfoz | so you want me to buy a big TV and then not go home? |
15:11.52 | Gnarfoz | where'd I go with it |
15:12.31 | nebula | go big and/or go home |
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15:20.13 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
15:47.42 | Stanzilla | hi |
15:47.47 | Megalon | ih |
15:54.17 | Stanzilla | so Fisker are you getting the 10537 leak? |
15:54.32 | Fisker | Why would I get leaks+ |
15:55.08 | Stanzilla | because you also downgrade your phone OS to get a different icon in an app |
15:55.17 | Megalon | :D |
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15:55.24 | Fisker | Nah Stanzilla |
15:55.25 | Repo | ora3: 03nebula169 * r966 modules/Rings.lua: Rings: more combat protection |
15:55.29 | Fisker | That's silly |
15:55.53 | Fisker | I'm thinking of buying 5x3TB drives today |
15:56.18 | Megalon | do you need to backup your manifesto? |
15:56.28 | Stanzilla | nebula: do the rings work in rated battlegrounds? |
15:56.54 | nebula | Stanzilla: mystery |
15:57.32 | Fisker | Need to rebuild my raid Megalon |
16:03.35 | Megalon | why, did half your guild leave? |
16:05.31 | haste | Fisker scared them away |
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16:12.23 | Fisker | Hey haste |
16:15.34 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: small change, big impact for us many-tabs-people https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r9Ic3BNqA3E/VfbTktX0tII/AAAAAAABsZo/SJFu8x8WlQs/w1000-h430-no/title-tab.png |
16:16.57 | Fisker | I like |
16:27.56 | Stanzilla | http://scr.wfcdn.de/13642/Nvidia-Warum-man-sich-fuer-Shield-und-gegen-Apple-TV-entscheiden-sollte-1442242414-0-0.jpg |
16:27.57 | Stanzilla | :D |
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16:46.24 | xotix | hi |
16:47.20 | xotix | I'm trying to make a simple mod for 1.12 - I'd like to print somethign to the chat when I open the auctionhouse. Which event is fired then? |
16:48.42 | xotix | or how do I find out which event is fired? |
16:49.22 | Torhal | xotix: We don't support private servers. |
17:04.37 | wink | 1.12? is that.. vanilla? O_O |
17:05.12 | Executioner` | were there even events back in 1.12? |
17:05.43 | wink | I only remember ctmod |
17:05.47 | wink | and not many more addons |
17:05.57 | wink | not even sure ace was around back then :D |
17:06.07 | Executioner` | [18:15:34] <Stanzilla> Gnarfoz: small change, big impact for us many-tabs-people https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r9Ic3BNqA3E/VfbTktX0tII/AAAAAAABsZo/SJFu8x8WlQs/w1000-h430-no/title-tab.png |
17:06.17 | Executioner` | I would rather have a scrolling tab bar like in firefox |
17:06.38 | Executioner` | I often have 20+ tabs... on a 1440 wide screen |
17:06.53 | nebula | ctmod and klhthreatmeter! |
17:07.02 | wink | lol that's not a real problem |
17:07.12 | wink | everytime I have my browser from my 27" open on the 11" |
17:07.20 | wink | when every tab is just a triangle |
17:07.26 | wink | THAT is a problem |
17:07.27 | Executioner` | triangle :DD |
17:07.58 | Megalon | Executioner`: there were no events in 1.12 |
17:07.59 | wink | (and yes, it's a laptop that I often carry around) |
17:08.06 | Megalon | there was only 1 event that triggered for everything :D |
17:08.19 | wink | sounds like JS |
17:08.41 | Executioner | how about hooksecurefunc? |
17:08.56 | nebula | what about it? |
17:09.28 | nebula | the idea of "secure" frames didn't come about until 2.0 |
17:11.04 | Executioner | or something like frame:hookevent? |
17:12.12 | wink | xotix: congratulations, you've earned a "how to start a meta conversation" trophy :) |
17:12.48 | Executioner | needs to be an achievement |
17:12.58 | Megalon | feast of strength |
17:13.05 | nebula | sounds tastey |
17:13.07 | Megalon | feat |
17:13.11 | Megalon | damn |
17:13.19 | nevcairiel | would love myself a good feast |
17:13.19 | Executioner | make a fakeachievement addon |
17:13.20 | Megalon | my subconciousness got me again |
17:13.21 | Executioner | for 1.12 |
17:13.22 | Executioner | :DD |
17:13.53 | xotix | there were a lot more mods e.g. auctioneer, all these raid assist stuff etc. |
17:13.57 | xotix | wink :) |
17:14.37 | Megalon | recount that relied on parsing the combatlog strings |
17:14.52 | Executioner | wow |
17:15.02 | Executioner | that could've been quite cpu heavy |
17:15.17 | Executioner | and god forbid if you ran a non-english client |
17:15.27 | nebula | the combatlog itself is pretty cpu heavy |
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17:16.06 | Executioner | yeah, found it out the hard way when left one my addons in debugging mode with frame:RegisterAllEvents() |
17:16.48 | xotix | http://vanilla-wow.wikia.com/wiki/Events/P etc. |
17:18.00 | xotix | Megalon: anyway, I'm a noob on this, nevermind. |
17:19.22 | Megalon | hehe |
17:19.46 | Megalon | i guess doing stuff for 1.12 to be very tedious |
17:20.00 | wink | I'd love to try to level on vanilla again |
17:20.10 | wink | and give up at 17, because I rolled a Paladin |
17:20.20 | Megalon | i rolled druid |
17:20.23 | wink | Dynamite as ranged weapon! |
17:20.31 | Megalon | and did all the class quests when you get them |
17:20.40 | Megalon | yea thanks acquatic form, fuck you too |
17:20.44 | Megalon | ;/ |
17:20.55 | nevcairiel | i loved those quests |
17:20.59 | nevcairiel | it was actually a journey! |
17:21.25 | Megalon | well, can't replicate that nowadays really |
17:22.02 | Megalon | wasn't there also a warlock quest for alliance that had you go to the barrens |
17:23.06 | nevcairiel | yes |
17:23.13 | nevcairiel | and all it gave you was some item |
17:23.59 | nebula | what i remember the most about leveling in vanilla as a warrior is if i pulled more than one mob at a time, i was pretty much dead |
17:24.09 | nevcairiel | well, warrior |
17:24.10 | nevcairiel | :p |
17:24.34 | Megalon | getting travelform was awesome! :D |
17:27.49 | Fisker | Why of the lotv trailer stupid? |
17:28.01 | Megalon | the lotv trailer made you stupid? |
17:28.08 | wink | lotv? |
17:28.16 | Megalon | sc2_3 |
17:28.26 | nebula | the teaser trailers were better, imo |
17:29.37 | Stanzilla | yeah what they showed yesterday was pretty lame |
17:30.14 | Stanzilla | some people I know are really made they spoilered the tassadar thing |
17:33.40 | nebula | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qJgSR7C2FM i don't play sc, but that was pretty cool |
17:33.44 | Megalon | tassadar thing? |
17:33.58 | Megalon | he commander of the void or what |
17:35.17 | nebula | if that's what Stanzilla was talking about, it's actually zeratul |
17:35.52 | Stanzilla | both actually |
17:35.54 | Stanzilla | they merge |
17:35.57 | Stanzilla | see CD pet |
17:35.58 | Stanzilla | *CE |
17:36.07 | nebula | i assumed that was just an archon thing |
17:36.19 | Stanzilla | could be |
17:36.39 | Megalon | oh that's why it was instant archon |
17:36.41 | Stanzilla | I dont know anything about the storylines, just that some people were mad because of it :D |
17:36.47 | nebula | " An Archon is created when two of either Dark Templar or High Templar merge together on the battlefield" |
17:37.06 | Megalon | but zeratul is dark templar and tassadar high templar |
17:37.06 | nebula | pretty sure that wasn't anything significant, just some cool images |
17:37.17 | Megalon | so it's trans-archon |
17:37.24 | Megalon | omgomgomg, get the rainbowflags ready |
17:45.59 | Kalroth | https://i.imgur.com/bLs6vmq.jpg this is totally Gnarfoz! |
17:48.48 | Executioner | :DD |
17:49.20 | Executioner | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi355E3GN6k |
17:52.37 | wink | lol |
17:58.39 | Stanzilla | nebula: so archon is permanent so it's kinda a big thing |
17:58.50 | nebula | what? that archon died |
17:59.13 | Stanzilla | I mean when to templar merge into an archon they cant split anymore |
17:59.39 | Stanzilla | and when tassadar and zeratul do it, big thing |
18:01.27 | nebula | where is this even coming from, zeratul and tassadar weren't even in the opening movie |
18:01.35 | Stanzilla | the CE pet |
18:01.43 | Stanzilla | it's called zeratar |
18:01.45 | Stanzilla | or so |
18:02.04 | nebula | so what, a zeratul/tassadar archon has been in the sc2 files for ever |
18:04.28 | Stanzilla | yeah like I siad, I dont know shit :p |
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18:13.58 | Executioner | Is there a way to have objects work as if they were local but to a whole addon? |
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18:18.22 | nebula | you have to pass their ref around somehow, usually with the table provided to the addon |
18:19.07 | nebula | or some other global everything can pull from |
18:19.41 | Executioner | So, one main lua file with the local table and the rest of files are global functions with table parameters? |
18:20.29 | silentium | Executioner: http://wow.gamepedia.com/Lua_variable_scoping#Addon-local_variables |
18:20.40 | nebula | every lua file in the addon is passed the addon name and a shared table that you get from ... in the global scope |
18:21.10 | nebula | ie, local addonName, addonTable = ... |
18:23.30 | Executioner | ah |
18:23.40 | Executioner | this seems to be a bit easier than doing |
18:23.42 | Executioner | http://pastebin.com/Aue50vbD this |
18:23.52 | Executioner | this was quite overboard, but worked |
18:24.38 | nebula | was the old way of doing things, global all the things! |
18:25.41 | Torhal | Old "proper" way was to global a single table and use it like the shared private table. |
18:25.50 | Torhal | globals Fisker. |
18:26.08 | nebula | setglobal(Fisker) = nil |
18:26.20 | nebula | erm, yea |
18:26.25 | Torhal | o.O |
18:26.37 | Executioner | _G["Fisker"] = function() return false end |
18:26.37 | Torhal | DAT SYNTAX. |
18:27.00 | nebula | was thinking _G, but went back to setglobal |
18:27.13 | Executioner | wasn't getglobal/setglobal deprecated a while ago? |
18:27.18 | Torhal | Yar. |
18:27.19 | nebula | forever ago |
18:27.20 | Executioner | afaik from 3.x to 4.0 transition |
18:27.25 | Kalroth | _G["Fisker"] = _G[nil] |
18:27.31 | Torhal | They're pretty much wrappers around _G["feh"] |
18:27.32 | nebula | it's not in lua, but UIParent still has the functions defined, i think |
18:27.39 | Executioner | wouldn't be _G[nil] equal nil? |
18:27.43 | Torhal | Or were, I should say. |
18:27.54 | Kalroth | yes, but it adds a redundant lookup |
18:27.57 | Executioner | I miss the old arg1, arg2, ... variables |
18:28.04 | Torhal | ... |
18:28.18 | nebula | i mean, there's still there :p |
18:28.24 | Torhal | I vastly prefer actualUsefulName, betterUsefulName |
18:28.31 | Executioner | I had to do a |
18:28.41 | Executioner | function OnEvent(event, ...) |
18:28.41 | Executioner | local arg1,arg2,arg3,arg4,arg5,arg6,arg7,arg8,arg9,arg10=select(1,...) |
18:28.43 | Kalroth | I wish you could do arg1, arg2, ..., arg7, arg8, ..., arg13 |
18:28.44 | Executioner | thing |
18:29.15 | Torhal | Whoah. A select call starting at 1, to assign to multiple variables? There should be a special hell for that. |
18:29.31 | Executioner | why? |
18:29.33 | Executioner | :D |
18:29.34 | Kalroth | :D |
18:29.47 | Torhal | Because you're selecting from the first index anyway... |
18:29.55 | Torhal | So just get rid of select() altogether. |
18:29.59 | nebula | i don't think you could use ... directly at some point |
18:30.05 | nebula | same with #table, etc |
18:30.09 | Torhal | Mayhap. |
18:30.15 | Torhal | Yeah, WoW started with 5.0 Lua. |
18:30.22 | Executioner | I also used things like ({...})[2] |
18:30.44 | Kalroth | aaaah |
18:30.49 | Gnarfoz | apparently, I have a sofa |
18:30.56 | Gnarfoz | I dug it out |
18:30.57 | Gnarfoz | :o |
18:31.04 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: not anymore, you sold it for the TV! |
18:31.11 | Gnarfoz | it's not mine :( |
18:31.16 | nebula | all the better |
18:31.19 | Executioner | :DD |
18:31.23 | Gnarfoz | it was buried under piles of clothes, gadgets, boxes, stuff |
18:31.27 | Kalroth | haha |
18:34.33 | quiescens | o.o |
18:36.57 | Gnarfoz | next up: the coffee table in front of it, the ottoman next to that, the floor in front of said table, the floor to the side of said table... |
18:37.22 | nebula | such a slob |
18:41.45 | Gnarfoz | my work desk is OCD levels of clean, so is my car, but it's too easy to fall into the abyss of "it's TOO untidy, I don't want to start cleaning up" |
18:42.13 | Gnarfoz | and I'm a lazy fucker by nature :P |
18:46.05 | Executioner | tfw you for some reason want to rewrite an addon already in development to be compilant with oop |
18:46.22 | Executioner | and then I get this addon-local scope too |
18:49.36 | Primer | I should refactor my addon to use self properly |
18:50.07 | Primer | I got frustrated with it and ended up using MyAddon instead |
18:50.26 | Executioner | wasn't self also removed during cata? |
18:50.49 | Executioner | or was that this? |
18:51.31 | nebula | this in xml |
18:58.56 | Executioner | oh ok, no one actually uses xml anyway |
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19:27.56 | znf | How the fuck do you skip YouTube ad in chromecast |
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19:34.09 | neisballs | hey there, anyone around? |
19:34.26 | Gnarfoz | probably |
19:35.37 | neisballs | i have one question only, it might be weird though |
19:36.03 | neisballs | id like to know the name of the tooltip objects |
19:36.17 | neisballs | i know theres GameTooltip |
19:36.56 | Executioner | unfortunately, the technology to telepathy is still not here |
19:37.21 | Gnarfoz | have you looked at some tooltip replacement addon? maybe that's a good source (I don't know an authoritative one) |
19:39.22 | neisballs | this tooltip im trying to get its name, isnt related to GameTooltip |
19:39.42 | neisballs | ive looked around on the internet and i found this code |
19:39.52 | neisballs | <PROTECTED> |
19:40.26 | neisballs | its very good, and helps a lot, but the thing is, it wont show objects that arent related to GameTooltip |
19:41.25 | neisballs | i tried to change it to "Tooltip", but apparently, Tooltip isnt an object type |
19:43.00 | Phixion | http://ph.ixx.io/n/4vfzd boner :o |
19:45.01 | Torhal | neisballs: ItemRefTooltip is another. I believe there's one more, but can't think of it's name. |
19:49.49 | Repo | ora3: 03nebula169 * r967 (2 files in 1 directory): ReadyCheck: update the window before fading out |
19:50.44 | neisballs | i think i got it now, i changed the code to this |
19:50.46 | neisballs | <PROTECTED> |
19:51.05 | neisballs | and i think its not an object |
19:54.06 | nebula | neisballs: what are you trying to do? |
19:56.16 | nebula | because if you're trying to get environment tooltips (ie, "Chair", or from mousing over 3d objects), you're not going to have a good time |
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19:56.53 | neisballs | theres an addon, called Auditor, u guys know it? |
19:57.20 | Torhal | Yes. |
19:57.25 | neisballs | ok |
19:58.00 | nebula | broker addons will get tooltips from the display provider, which will typically be a gametooltip |
19:58.02 | neisballs | so it has a built-in tooltip, which im starting to think is the gametooltip |
19:58.16 | Torhal | No |
19:58.16 | neisballs | i mean |
19:58.19 | neisballs | no the gametooltip |
19:58.20 | Torhal | It's using LibQTip. |
19:58.42 | nebula | well there you go, it has it's own tooltip |
19:58.50 | neisballs | LibQtip |
19:58.54 | neisballs | ill try that |
19:58.57 | neisballs | tyvm |
20:02.31 | neisballs | anyway, i wonder if that has an object name, as GameTooltip is the name of the tooltip object |
20:02.41 | nebula | Frame |
20:02.44 | nebula | :p |
20:03.00 | neisballs | hmm |
20:03.03 | neisballs | let me try that |
20:03.04 | Torhal | neisballs: Have you tried looking at Auditor's code? |
20:03.15 | Torhal | And Frame is the object type. Not its global name. |
20:04.20 | neisballs | i have, but i dont understand anything of lua, i just make some assumptions |
20:05.37 | nebula | "He was also highly critical of the drought of content at the end of WOTLK... which was far less than the one we saw at the end of MoP." lol, they apparently didn't raid icc for two years |
20:05.39 | neisballs | also, it doenst have a xml |
20:08.13 | Torhal | neisballs: What, exactly, are you attempting to do? |
20:10.16 | neisballs | im trying to change the alpha background of the tooltip box of auditor to "1" |
20:10.41 | neisballs | but, thing is, i use another addon, that change objects tooltips |
20:11.29 | neisballs | this other addon change these objects tooltips |
20:11.31 | neisballs | GameTooltip, ItemRefTooltip, ShoppingTooltip1, ShoppingTooltip2, ShoppingTooltip3, WorldMapTooltip, GarrisonFollowerTooltip, GarrisonFollowerAbilityTooltip, GarrisonMissionMechanicFollowerCounterTooltip, |
20:12.02 | neisballs | if i could get the name of the tooltip box that auditor provides, i could add to that list |
20:12.08 | neisballs | thats wat i thought, though |
20:14.48 | nebula | doesn't look like libqtip names the tooltip frame, so probably out of luck outside of editing auditor |
20:16.17 | neisballs | yea, already tried that |
20:18.49 | neisballs | ive read the code, but i dont understand how it prints the info it gets |
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20:22.27 | Megalon | you basically want the tooltip to have a black background? |
20:23.16 | neisballs | indeed |
20:23.41 | Megalon | what color is black? is it 1,1,1,1? |
20:24.50 | neisballs | yes |
20:25.33 | Megalon | open the core.lua, search the function addon:ShowTooltip() thing |
20:25.48 | nevcairiel | isnt 1,1,1 white |
20:25.53 | Megalon | then 0,0,0 ? |
20:25.57 | Megalon | he can try both anyway :P |
20:26.14 | Megalon | http://pastebin.com/NTergzac |
20:26.30 | Megalon | add that SetBackdropColor line |
20:27.00 | Megalon | could be that 0, 0, 0 is black instead of all ones, I never know how it is :S |
20:27.58 | neisballs | ill try that, but this addon didnt have a tooltip function b4 |
20:28.15 | neisballs | thats y i dont understand how it shows up the info it gets |
20:28.21 | Megalon | broker_auditor ? |
20:28.26 | neisballs | yes |
20:28.34 | Megalon | it creates the tooltip using libqtip |
20:28.36 | neisballs | its auditor2, i think |
20:28.48 | Executioner | [22:23:41] <Megalon> what color is black? is it 1,1,1,1? |
20:28.49 | neisballs | thats wat torhal said |
20:28.58 | neisballs | it is |
20:29.00 | neisballs | 1,1,1,1 |
20:29.06 | Executioner | the fourth is the transparency, the only thing valid being in black |
20:29.14 | Executioner | first three should be zeroes |
20:29.18 | neisballs | indeed |
20:29.26 | neisballs | rgb |
20:29.34 | Megalon | well i am talking about broker_auditor |
20:32.26 | neisballs | well, sorry if we misunderstood but im talking about this addon |
20:32.27 | neisballs | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5429-Auditor.html#info |
20:33.38 | Megalon | yea and I'm talking about Broker_Auditor inside that zip |
20:34.01 | Megalon | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/auditor has a newer version (no clue if it does anything beside updated toc) |
20:34.51 | Megalon | the addon basically consists of 2 two addons, one that does the tracking and one that displays the tooltip |
20:36.42 | neisballs | well, i downloaded through curse client |
20:36.52 | neisballs | in my interface folder |
20:37.11 | neisballs | theres one folder called Auditor2 |
20:37.42 | Megalon | and broker_auditor should be there too |
20:37.51 | neisballs | inside it, theres Auditor2.toc |
20:37.53 | neisballs | Core.lua |
20:37.57 | Megalon | no inside the interface folder |
20:38.00 | Megalon | is a broker_auditor folder |
20:38.31 | neisballs | OH |
20:38.36 | neisballs | finally i found it |
20:38.41 | neisballs | tyvm |
20:38.46 | Megalon | no clue why that's even split up |
20:39.16 | neisballs | yea |
20:39.22 | neisballs | id never thought of that |
20:39.25 | neisballs | rofl |
20:39.37 | neisballs | thats y id never found |
20:54.48 | neisballs | i did add that line, but nothing happened, actually |
20:58.30 | neisballs | im reading that code, maybe i can learn something |
21:04.13 | Torhal | neisballs: Change the last 1 to a 0 if you're trying to make the tooltip transparent. |
21:05.10 | neisballs | na, im trying to make it solid black |
21:10.51 | neisballs | well |
21:11.02 | neisballs | it DID work, now i must try something else then >.> |
21:11.12 | neisballs | thing is |
21:11.26 | neisballs | im using a UI called SyncUI |
21:11.41 | neisballs | which modifies a lot of stuff, including tooltips |
21:14.55 | neisballs | anyhow |
21:14.58 | Executioner | !g SyncUI |
21:15.09 | Executioner | oh this chan doesn't have that bot |
21:15.56 | Executioner | aw, too many gradients |
21:16.02 | Executioner | and overtextured health bars |
21:16.58 | neisballs | that addon, changes all the tooltips, including omen, bugsack |
21:17.53 | neisballs | but it does not change auditor |
21:18.17 | neisballs | well, it does actually, it sets auditor backdrop to alpha = "0" |
21:18.44 | neisballs | since i dont understand much of ace and libs |
21:18.52 | Executioner | a tooltip's background to zero? why |
21:19.21 | neisballs | i can only assume it happens because syncui cancels blizzard default ui to run |
21:19.50 | neisballs | and that chains to libQtip, somehow |
21:27.56 | neisballs | so, as i was saying, syncui addon modifies the tooltip when i mouse over omen's minimap icon, skada's minimap icon, bugsack's minimap icon |
21:28.54 | neisballs | but it neither modify auditor's or altoholic's tooltip |
21:29.10 | znf | bad addon |
21:29.11 | znf | go to your room |
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21:34.06 | neisballs | lolz |
21:48.45 | neisballs | na, its not a bad addon at all |
21:49.09 | neisballs | its very light, and doenst have many bugs |
22:07.12 | Repo | gathermate2: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.35.4 GatherMate2.lua: [+2 commits] |
22:07.12 | Repo | 383a85a: Re-run garrison node clearing |
22:07.12 | Repo | 896b665: Don't accept garrison nodes through the inject API |
22:07.22 | Repo | gathermate2: 03Nevcairiel 041.35.4 * f4ee4ce /: [new tag] Tag as 1.35.4 |
22:25.24 | Stanzilla | I always wished routes would support tomtom nodes |
22:25.36 | Stanzilla | so I can just /way a few things and let it build a route from that |
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