| 00:00.18 | Gnarfoz | hm... now I'm not so sure about the inferno stacks :D |
| 00:00.49 | Gnarfoz | I particularly like the "avoidable damage taken -- from all sources" summary |
| 00:01.02 | Gnarfoz | the perfect "you suck, do better" analyzer |
| 00:02.36 | Gnarfoz | awww, they don't have infographics for the other bosses we did, yet |
| 00:02.38 | nevcairiel | we're much worse on avoidable damage too :( |
| 00:03.02 | Gnarfoz | let me find something |
| 00:03.27 | Gnarfoz | http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/combatlog/f934514a-4695-48e0-bf20-1368520bf6b1/boss/twin-ogron/mythic#f=17,be=avoid check this |
| 00:03.34 | Gnarfoz | the druid... ridiculous :D |
| 00:03.52 | Gnarfoz | 3.5 MILLION |
| 00:04.05 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 00:04.07 | nevcairiel | total fail |
| 00:04.50 | Gnarfoz | hit by shield charge 3 times |
| 00:05.00 | Gnarfoz | that's the big chunk, the other part is fire |
| 00:05.25 | nevcairiel | shield charge can be rather deadly, he probably just stood there healing himself for half a minute after that :p |
| 00:05.30 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 00:05.54 | Gnarfoz | both paladins talented into Double Hands thing |
| 00:06.00 | Gnarfoz | only 1 person asked for a hand |
| 00:06.11 | Gnarfoz | she could have, and would have saved a million healing or so |
| 00:06.14 | nevcairiel | hm for gruul quite a bunch of people still getting cave in in their faces, and some getting overhead smash .. need more movements |
| 00:06.18 | znf | oh cool |
| 00:06.20 | znf | my boots sold |
| 00:06.27 | Gnarfoz | three fiddy? |
| 00:06.41 | znf | 20k |
| 00:06.54 | Gnarfoz | nice |
| 00:07.04 | nevcairiel | i should've sold the 680 boots i got, but alas they are the best ones that drop from there :p |
| 00:07.24 | znf | I got them in a pug on my alt :D |
| 00:07.32 | znf | raidrolled |
| 00:07.34 | znf | free gold |
| 00:08.37 | znf | Do the potion timers show up in combat log? |
| 00:08.48 | nevcairiel | timers? |
| 00:09.10 | nevcairiel | you only get messages for buffs gained and lost |
| 00:09.32 | nevcairiel | so you can see when a prepot expired, and the combat pot became ready |
| 00:09.36 | nevcairiel | if thats what you mean |
| 00:09.40 | znf | yeah |
| 00:09.50 | znf | AMR is having issues with pre-pot detection |
| 00:09.57 | znf | I suggested they look for potion expire timer during combat |
| 00:10.04 | Gnarfoz | or people weren't using pots! |
| 00:10.07 | znf | I mean, when a player loses the aura |
| 00:10.15 | Gnarfoz | that's how WCL does it |
| 00:10.20 | Gnarfoz | recently asked him on Twitter |
| 00:10.21 | Repo | grid2: 03michaelspain * r754 (9 files in 6 directories): |
| 00:10.22 | Repo | Added a new indicator "icons". Groups of buffs or debuffs can be assigned to this indicator, and in theory the indicator will spawn several icons, one icon for each active buff/debuff. |
| 00:10.24 | znf | nah, I used pots on every pull, never failed a pre-pot; yet 50% of them are not showing up :P |
| 00:10.30 | Gnarfoz | because WCL doesn't show the augment runes |
| 00:10.44 | Gnarfoz | ...well, unless you die. |
| 00:10.59 | nevcairiel | yeah, buffs are sadly a bit limited in the log still, you can only see gain/lose events, not a rundown of which you actually had at some point, so you need to track them yourself |
| 00:11.09 | nevcairiel | and the logger may not be present w hen people take their runes and whatnot |
| 00:11.17 | nevcairiel | but for prepots it should work, since those expire in the fight |
| 00:11.36 | znf | well, having a potion expire in the first <25s of the combat means that a pre-pot was used |
| 00:11.47 | znf | I think they should change the way pre-pots work :P |
| 00:12.12 | znf | like, have a grace timer for them |
| 00:12.18 | Gnarfoz | they should just purge potions at combat start |
| 00:12.23 | Gnarfoz | to eliminate it entirely |
| 00:12.28 | znf | nah, they said they like the idea |
| 00:12.35 | Gnarfoz | gah. :C |
| 00:12.59 | znf | they mentioned that if they wanted to break that functionality, they would have done it already |
| 00:13.00 | nevcairiel | i dont think the system really needs changes, its not hard to drink it at 2 or 1 in the pull timer |
| 00:13.16 | znf | unless someone ninja-pulls :P |
| 00:13.20 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: perfect thing to put into the log w/ advanced logging enabled! (don't ask me how it would technically appear there :D) |
| 00:13.37 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: dedicated messages, print out all buffs at start of combat |
| 00:13.48 | Gnarfoz | yeah, at combat start and end seems ok |
| 00:13.58 | nevcairiel | end isnt really required |
| 00:14.03 | Gnarfoz | whatev! :D |
| 00:14.14 | Gnarfoz | yeah, all aura removals already show up at death anyway |
| 00:14.17 | nevcairiel | you need one current state, everything else you can still track yourself |
| 00:14.50 | nevcairiel | but i was thinking something along those lines as well |
| 00:15.07 | nevcairiel | not sure blizz would really want to, but they did add the advanced combatlog just for those web sites anyway |
| 00:15.18 | znf | I love that they've done that |
| 00:15.27 | znf | Made combat analytics more interesting |
| 00:16.22 | znf | (and finally made WoL die) |
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| 00:17.28 | nevcairiel | they could come up with a companion addon to dump this info into SVs, but thats probably going to end up being annoying |
| 00:18.17 | nevcairiel | ...and wouldnt work with live logging |
| 00:18.29 | znf | indeed |
| 00:18.37 | znf | most people don't live log anyway |
| 00:18.45 | znf | (and I don't understand why!) |
| 00:18.54 | quiescens | spais |
| 00:19.20 | nevcairiel | i should probably start doing that for better analysis now that fights are actually hard again =p |
| 00:25.14 | nevcairiel | anyway, sleep! |
| 00:27.47 | znf | don't feel bad, nevcairiel http://blog.askmrrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Gruul_WipeRate_Feb4.png |
| 00:27.48 | znf | :D |
| 00:38.21 | Semlar | how about oregorger |
| 00:39.50 | znf | not enough data yet :P |
| 00:39.54 | znf | they're still building it |
| 00:40.27 | Semlar | we only got him to 50% on heroic but i'm in a pretty casual guild |
| 00:40.50 | znf | took us 10 tries |
| 00:40.52 | Semlar | and we kept facepulling him after a wipe |
| 00:40.56 | znf | we kept failing at the 2nd phase |
| 00:41.07 | znf | (people dying from the roll, me included) |
| 00:41.12 | Semlar | >_> |
| 00:41.20 | Semlar | y u do dis |
| 00:41.48 | Semlar | our issue is mostly how to handle retch |
| 00:41.56 | znf | that's the easiest part...?! |
| 00:42.09 | Semlar | not enough room |
| 00:42.20 | znf | use the middle lane? |
| 00:42.49 | znf | hug left wall, take 3 retches, hug right wall, go backwards for ~3 retches |
| 00:42.53 | znf | then phase 2 happens |
| 00:43.26 | Semlar | yeah, we kept getting too close to the boss and he will just kill the ranged group if you do |
| 00:43.56 | Gnarfoz | znf: uh, WoL is quite alive, why do you keep saying otherwise? |
| 00:44.15 | Semlar | if you get within 25 yards he'll start hitting the ranged group with his aoe stun |
| 00:44.27 | znf | Gnarfoz, most of our "friend" guilds stopped using it when WCL became active |
| 00:44.36 | znf | I don't think it's 25y? |
| 00:44.38 | Gnarfoz | that's ages ago, though |
| 00:45.19 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.10 | znf | Woah |
| 00:46.16 | znf | Why pull there? O.O |
| 00:46.34 | znf | ofc you run out of room there :D |
| 00:46.51 | znf | you're also stacking like shit |
| 00:47.02 | Semlar | we were originally stacking in the corner where the boss is being pulled in this |
| 00:47.13 | znf | middle lane has more room |
| 00:48.08 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/85GhY1d.png |
| 00:48.10 | znf | that's how we did it |
| 00:48.11 | Semlar | not sure, possibly to avoid puddles in the center of the room |
| 00:48.18 | znf | we took the boss to green |
| 00:48.22 | znf | from S to Green |
| 00:48.30 | znf | then we started with the puddles from 1 to 6 |
| 00:48.51 | znf | but you're stacking horribly |
| 00:48.59 | Semlar | that's really the main issue |
| 00:49.08 | znf | we tried on that lane, too, that you did in the video |
| 00:49.17 | znf | we quickly realized there's not enough room to move comfortably |
| 00:49.25 | znf | those corners also fuck up you camera |
| 00:49.42 | Semlar | people aren't stacking for shit and moving before retch lands |
| 00:50.08 | znf | you can move when the /say goes |
| 00:50.15 | znf | he snapshots your position |
| 00:50.20 | Semlar | no you can't, it has a travel time |
| 00:50.32 | znf | I'm pretty sure I moved after I /say'd |
| 00:50.36 | Semlar | if you move early it WILL be in the wrong spot |
| 00:50.49 | znf | interesting |
| 00:50.54 | Semlar | i think part of the issue is that some people's boss mods are wrong about who it's targeting |
| 00:50.54 | znf | I'll have to try that again |
| 00:51.12 | znf | yeah, we enforce BW in our guild, and everyone has to update it before raid |
| 00:51.28 | Semlar | even in this video, two people say it's targeting them at one point |
| 00:51.41 | znf | Hmmm |
| 00:51.48 | znf | Wonder if I can cheese it with Spectral Guise |
| 00:51.49 | Semlar | and for some reason bigwig's alert doesn't say who it's on |
| 00:51.55 | Semlar | so that's a little annoying |
| 00:52.08 | Semlar | it's odd because he clearly targets the person he's casting on |
| 00:52.19 | znf | we found out that it's a lot less headache if everyone in the raid group/guild is using the same boss mod |
| 00:52.58 | Semlar | yeah i don't know about DBM any more since i've been using bigwigs since WoD |
| 00:53.23 | Semlar | people might be running an out of date version but half the time people using DBM seem to have wrong timers |
| 00:53.41 | znf | you can always poke MysticalOS :D |
| 00:53.43 | znf | and blame it on him |
| 00:54.01 | Semlar | i could, but since i'm not running it i can't say if it actually has a problem |
| 00:54.19 | znf | just stick to one! |
| 00:54.20 | Semlar | i know one of the issues in the other raid was that it kept calling one of the boss's moves something else |
| 00:54.29 | Semlar | so it was really confusing |
| 00:54.46 | znf | depending on your guilds attitude towards raiding, meh |
| 00:54.58 | znf | people will bitch & moan when you tell them to switch boss mods |
| 00:55.09 | Semlar | ehh we don't really care |
| 00:55.30 | Semlar | although they should be using something that actually works, if it's not working |
| 00:57.56 | Semlar | for some reason you can hit the boss through most of the obstacles in that room but you can't heal through them |
| 00:58.11 | Semlar | i'm assuming it's because of his height |
| 01:00.04 | znf | yup |
| 01:00.06 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/PvUhYPK.png |
| 01:00.08 | znf | HOLY COW |
| 01:00.37 | Semlar | air drop? |
| 01:01.20 | znf | 1st class plane ticket, I guess? |
| 01:01.36 | Semlar | vampire tax |
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| 01:58.47 | pompy | znf: dat shipping cost lol. |
| 02:12.19 | Repo | archy: 03Torhal 07master * 1.8.57-43-g300ec66 Archy.lua: [+6 commits] (2 truncated) |
| 02:12.19 | Repo | 300ec66: Moved the code for UpdateSite() directly into UpdateAllSites() since that's the only place it was ever called. |
| 02:12.19 | Repo | ab69f5b: Logic cleanup. |
| 02:12.19 | Repo | e92ac2d: Refactored UpdateSite() - variable renames for sanity, rearranged some things, and removed a completely useless call to GetArchaeologyRaceInfo(). |
| 02:12.19 | Repo | 1eec0f7: Added data-mining code, courtesy of sidji. |
| 02:12.50 | pompy | dooo ett Torhal |
| 02:13.03 | Torhal | So much of that code is completely batshit. |
| 02:13.08 | pompy | ha |
| 02:13.19 | Torhal | That's why I barely worked on it the past 4 years. |
| 02:13.31 | Torhal | Every time I'd sit down to do it, I'd look it over and nope the fuck out. |
| 02:13.56 | pompy | nope.jpg |
| 02:24.00 | Repo | archy: 03Torhal 07master * 1.8.57-45-g6a4c594 Archy.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 02:24.00 | Repo | 6a4c594: Removed IncrementDigCounter() - it was only ever used in one place, and it...increments a dig counter. What the actual... |
| 02:24.00 | Repo | 1da0a81: Formatting fixes, and added a TODO so I can investigate why the hell the comment "for now let's just avoid the error" was added, instead of fixing the actual cause of whatever the error was. |
| 02:24.06 | Torhal | There you go, pompy. MOAR BATSHIT. |
| 02:24.23 | pompy | rawrrrrr |
| 02:38.17 | Stanzilla | hey Torhal |
| 02:38.24 | Stanzilla | the way I do archaeology this addon is |
| 02:38.28 | Stanzilla | by going into my mine |
| 02:38.32 | Stanzilla | and looting fragments |
| 02:38.36 | Stanzilla | does archy help with that? |
| 02:38.42 | Torhal | You can pretend. |
| 03:12.52 | Torhal | OMFG |
| 03:12.55 | Repo | archy: 03Torhal 07master * 1.8.57-46-ge51027b Archy.lua: [+1 commit] Removed the completely batshit IsFishingPoleEquipped() function: Calling select() twice on the values of calling GetAuctionItemSubClasses(1) twice, every time we need to check for a fishing pole being equipped... Replaced with calling IsEquippedItemType() on FISHING_POLE_NAME, which is assigned at load time. |
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| 03:22.45 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 04:25.47 | Repo | archy: 03Torhal 07master * 1.8.57-52-g5294dc4 Archy.lua: [+6 commits] (2 truncated) |
| 04:25.48 | Repo | 5294dc4: Added TODO so I'll remember to rewrite ContinentRaces() into a static table, because creating throwaway tables with the intent of iterating over them to perform name matches is not cool. |
| 04:25.48 | Repo | c8dd931: Removed ClearAllPOIs() - it was a three-line loop that was only ever called from UpdateMinimapPOIs(). |
| 04:25.48 | Repo | 5b56065: Moved the code for GetContinentSiteIDs() into ClearInvalidPOIs(), since that's the only place it was ever called. |
| 04:25.48 | Repo | 5fb05e5: Moved MatchFormat() and ParseLootMessage() into a do-block with Archy:CHAT_MSG_LOOT(). |
| 04:27.12 | Ressy | poor poor Torhal |
| 04:27.30 | Torhal | Ressy: Oh, you've been reading my commit messages? |
| 04:27.35 | Ressy | snickers |
| 04:27.36 | Ressy | yeah |
| 04:27.43 | Torhal | Heh |
| 04:31.07 | Ressy | I'm just curious when you go batshit. |
| 04:31.33 | Torhal | There's a reason I've been saying "I need to sit down this weekend and get back to rewriting Archy" for the past four years. |
| 04:32.07 | Torhal | You should see some of my commit messages from 2011. |
| 04:32.15 | Ressy | ARL & Collectinator are coming along well for 6.1. :) |
| 04:32.53 | Torhal | Cool :) |
| 04:33.03 | Torhal | June 7, 2011 at 8:11:38 PM CDT: Checking to see if we're in an instance immediately after saying "If we're in an instance, terminate" seems silly to me. |
| 04:33.18 | Ressy | no branch for ARL stuffs, so its just sitting waiting to be pushed. |
| 04:33.22 | Ressy | Collectinator's branch is good. |
| 04:33.23 | Ressy | OH! |
| 04:33.27 | Ressy | You're gonna kill me.. |
| 04:33.39 | Ressy | I did a /dump of the pets.. So all the diffs are gonna be off. |
| 04:33.44 | Ressy | they're all in npc order now. |
| 04:33.54 | Ressy | but it makes more sense |
| 04:34.31 | Torhal | That's all that matters for that. |
| 04:34.53 | Torhal | Unless you changed a bunch of shit and THEN did a dump. Then, you'll be on your own shit list if you need to revert. |
| 04:34.55 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:35.43 | Ressy | >.> |
| 04:36.03 | Ressy | it works. no reverting needed. |
| 04:37.11 | Torhal | November 14, 2011 at 9:48:29 PM CST: Let's NOT call collectgarbage(), especially once every 10th of a second while moving... /facepalm |
| 04:38.04 | Ressy | lol |
| 04:42.02 | Neffi | now that, Torhal, is truly terrible |
| 04:43.13 | Ressy | what.. you don't like a slideshow? |
| 04:44.00 | Torhal | Neffi: Oh, there's more where that came from. |
| 04:44.25 | Torhal | Ressy: He's saying that calling collectgarbage() every 0.1 seconds is truly terrible. |
| 04:44.33 | Torhal | Hell, it shouldn't be called at ALL in most cases. |
| 04:44.34 | Ressy | oh I get that. |
| 04:45.03 | Ressy | I was being sarcastic :P |
| 04:45.44 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 04:47.29 | Torhal | Meh. So much for going to bed two hours ago. |
| 04:47.32 | Torhal | Doing so now. |
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