IRC log for #wowace on 20141008

00:04.02znfso nice having Stanzilla here
00:04.06znfit's like we have our own commit-bot
00:04.07znf:D
00:08.26Stanzilla= )
00:14.51znfwowhead has an IRC channel!
00:14.57znfWho do I slap there for how badly their twitter is?
00:17.34znf(and their non-responsive website)
00:25.11Gnarfozis it just me or does simcraft take AGES longer doing 15k iterations than 10k
00:25.44Gnarfoztook a couple of minutes for 10k, but wasn't even at 2k iterations after 15 minutes when I canceled the 15k run
00:28.04Gnarfozalso, I very much doubt that crit is supposed to be my strongest secondary stat oO
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01:04.07znfGnarfoz, what spec?!
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01:13.46Stanzillaret
01:35.39Semlarrekt
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01:42.33znfrekt paladin
01:57.02znfbest pic on reddit today: https://i.imgur.com/zwxxH8T.jpg
01:59.31quiescensgo to sleep znf
01:59.37znfno
01:59.40znfbeats quiescens with a stick
02:00.58quiescensdies.
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06:03.50Stanzillajumps on Gnarfoz
06:05.01znfcan't sleep :-(
06:13.35znfI really like the wcl guy!
06:13.41znfFight Analysis will be /so/ awesome! :D
06:18.13Fiskerhey Stanzilla
06:18.15FiskerI'm scared
06:24.58pompy1so was i a little bit ago, until I saw "1:56 AM EDT: Tornado warning will be allowed to expire at 2AM as rotation has moved off shore."
06:26.23FiskerBut I'm scared over the lack of activity from google
06:34.39Stanzillahi
06:34.54Fiskerhi
06:34.58FiskerI'm about to poof
06:35.17znfhttp://www.albinoblacksheep.com/tutorial/mspaint
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06:41.47znfFisker, why do all Kodi logos suck?
06:47.56Kalrothbecause it's a stupid name
06:48.32znfyes, yes it is :(
06:50.45Kalrothshould have called it XMMC for eXtreme Modular Media Center
06:50.56Kalroth(it's close enough that google redirects it to XMBC)
06:51.28sbmorning
06:51.34Kalrothmoin
06:52.58FiskerI think they should've called it wmc
06:54.09KalrothWinners Media Center
06:54.12Kalrothi like it, Fisker
06:55.03FiskerI was thinking Wii Media Center
07:02.44FiskerBoobs
07:04.44Kalrothwhere
07:10.02FiskerHere
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07:40.09Stanzillanewest shit from the warrior front, taking no talent is better than taking slam http://i.gyazo.com/7e1f5ac141115b497b843bb86c183ed5.png
07:41.21quiescenswasn't slam the funny attack that had a castbar like a spell
07:41.29sbyup
07:41.43sbStanzilla: still https://i.imgur.com/SowSwD4.jpg :|
07:41.55Stanzillayeah
07:42.07quiescensdoes it still have a castbar like a spell?
07:42.09sbthey could just remove locks
07:43.09nevcairielGnarfoz: valor buff persisted for me as well, got 175 valor for free from handing in last weeks quests : p
07:44.08Stanzillaquiescens: no
07:44.18Stanzillanevcairiel: you can force that
07:44.49Stanzillajust don't trigger a loading screen once logged in and it will stay
07:45.08nevcairieli hearthed to the shrine and its still there
07:45.20Stanzillahacker
07:45.32nevcairieltechnically the same instance tho, from isle
07:46.12nevcairieli dont really need the boost anyway, i usually cap by doing what i do anyway
07:46.19nevcairielwe just talked about it yesterday
07:47.09sbalso, did anyone see strange things happen to your experience on WoD? i copied my rogue and he had like 1/4 XP of lvl 91 already
07:47.22sbStanzilla: cmderplus good?
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07:48.11Stanzillanot sure
07:48.20Stanzillait's kinda broken on win10
07:48.50quiescensuse win7
07:49.54quiescenswhat do people use for voice comms these days anyway
07:50.12quiescensdoes anyone ever use the ingame stuff in games
07:51.01XuerianStanzilla: 10? Edgy much?
07:51.16nevcairielhe lives on the edge
07:51.22sbquiescens: nope
07:51.52sbteamspeak, mumble, vent, skype - or the "new" CV
07:52.01quiescenswhat's that?
07:53.24sbcurse voice
07:54.35sbnevcairiel, Stanzilla - tried it with a guildie the next day, we had some problems ("abgehackt", unvollstaendige saetze, ...) no idea if its CV related or something else (hardware issues, latency, ...)
07:54.51nevcairielworked fine for us, didnt it
07:55.03quiescensoic
07:55.10sbyup
07:57.13StanzillaXuerian: it's fine so far
07:57.53XuerianStanzilla: Nice. I did that for vista/7, I think Imma just wait for release on 10 though. What're your thoughts on it so far?
07:58.10sbnevcairiel: caseking listing 28.11. :/
07:58.23nevcairielnow you're screwed
07:58.30StanzillaXuerian: they are finally getting their shit together and not trying to force metro on desktop pcs
07:58.57Stanzillain general, good features, good enhancements
07:59.12Stanzillaperformance will be great, too. dx12 will be released with it
07:59.35XuerianLooking forward to that, too.
07:59.48Stanzillathey really need to fix the store though
07:59.51Stanzillathat thing is still horrible
08:02.51XuerianI can ignore the store, I just want relatives apps to not pop up in fullscreen metro. Granted, I loved Win8.0's start screen (8.1 coloring can gdiaf), but dealing with /them/ was the problem
08:03.08Xuerian"I opened a document and can't find anything any more"
08:04.56Stanzillaapps workign in a window is really good
08:05.01Stanzillacan finally use more of them
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08:31.47harlmojn
08:33.30quiescenso/
08:35.56harl:)
08:36.22quiescensgives harl a cookie
08:42.00harlscritches quiescens
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10:31.42nevcairielRepo is dead
10:32.54Megalonyou had it killed?
10:33.09nevcairieli tasked fisker to do it
10:34.29sbwonder if i should get the K95, its only +20eur :p
10:34.34sbRepo: hello!
10:48.10Gnarfozgreetings from the land of noisy keyboards
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10:51.28sband quasselwebthingy? :D
10:51.50Megalonat least he's not repeating himself all the time
10:52.01Megalonmr 3timesfoz
10:52.04Gnarfozyep, quasselwebthingy with same node version as yours
10:52.12sbi see
10:52.27Gnarfozapparently 0.11.14 has new socket.io
10:52.48Gnarfozfor which there's commits to make it work
10:53.02nevcairiel..but it doesn't? :p
10:53.14Gnarfozsomething like that, yes
10:53.14Gnarfoz:D
10:53.29GnarfozI guess I should put o-rings on the keyboard to save my colleagues' sanity
10:53.50Gnarfozgood thing I brought nearly all of them, except the 1.5 mm nitrile ones I'm using at home
11:01.17nevcairielwhich one did you get now
11:03.53GnarfozFilco Majestouch 2 Ninja US, one with browns (work), one with blues (home)
11:04.04Gnarfozbuild quality is superb
11:04.33nevcairieli looked at that one last year or so, but it was never available
11:04.42Gnarfozkeycaps are a bit cheap, as expected, but still better than my IBM one
11:05.01Gnarfozyeah, I hear it has availability problems in many places, but keyboardco has them on stock
11:05.56Gnarfozhttp://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_search.asp?sr=majestouch+ninja
11:06.00GnarfozUK based
11:06.19Gnarfozand indeed, TNT managed to get the package from there to here in less than 15 hours
11:06.28nevcairieli'm weird and like at least simple key illumination tho
11:06.40Gnarfozwell, I certainly thought that would be possible, but it's rarely standard even today
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11:11.27quiescensdid you break irc again *foz
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11:12.30harli like how the Filco's got no extra keys.. and i'd probably get the tenkeyless variant
11:12.41GnarfozI was just going to ask... my quasselweb thing disconnected me for a second
11:13.17sbfreenode disconnect :o
11:14.10quiescensblame *foz, i was already in the middle of blaming him when people started to rejoin
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11:16.52Gnarfozquiesecens: gotta speed up
11:17.18Gnarfozharl: yeah, no fancy stuff; I'm not sure I could live with no num block, though
11:17.28Gnarfozconsidering getting a 60% keyboard for LAN or something later on, though
11:17.53Gnarfoz(but at work I certainly use almost all keys on the keyboard, except, of course, scroll lock)
11:18.04Gnarfozwho the hell uses that, and for what
11:19.07mitch0you turn on scrolling with that in the fbsd console, for example
11:20.03Gnarfozif you're actually using one directly, that is
11:20.09harlmy scroll lock is mapped to the 2nd windows key (with caps lock mapped to the 1st)
11:20.13Gnarfoz(I guess?)
11:21.11sbhm, mapping caps lock is a good idea, never used this
11:21.13harlsince the original windows keys on my keyboard are sawed off
11:21.28sband its perfectly reachable
11:21.49mitch0wha? caps-lock is ctrl obviously
11:21.59harlnah
11:22.47harlctrl is ctrl and it's already next to shift
11:23.21mitch0even if it's next to shift (it usually isn't), it's way low for the pinky
11:23.50harlmy hands are rather small
11:24.03nevcairielwhat kind of keyboard do you have if ctrl is not next to shift
11:24.11harland i'm used to bending my fingers due to playing piano
11:24.19nevcairielon all 4 keyboards i can see from here, shift is just above ctrl
11:24.43harlyes
11:24.44nevcairielexcept the weird mac laptop, there is a Fn key in between, but macs are weird anyway
11:24.44mitch0it's a logitech, and ctrl is below shift
11:24.53mitch0same on the lenovo
11:25.11nevcairielbelow is also next to, as long as they share a border
11:25.16mitch0oh well
11:25.19harlyes
11:25.35mitch0ok, forget the first part then, it's way too low
11:25.53harl1st part of what
11:25.54nevcairieli can reach ctrl perfectly tho, i used it as ptt for a very long time
11:26.05mitch0<mitch0> even if it's next to shift (it usually isn't), it's way low for the  pinky
11:26.27harloh
11:26.29nevcairielctrl is like the natural resting position for my pinky :D
11:26.40mitch0nevcairiel: you're doing it wrong ;)
11:26.51nevcairielmaybe you just have tiny hands!
11:27.06harlit's the other way around
11:27.18mitch0no, I just have my hands in the proper touch-typing "rest" position
11:27.32nevcairielmy rest position is on wsad for gaming!
11:27.33mitch0pinky is on a
11:27.33nevcairiel:D
11:27.42mitch0wsad is of course a mistake
11:27.49mitch0it must be remapped to esdf
11:28.44harlresting position of my index finger is T, with my pinky on shift and ctrl
11:29.02mitch0sheesh
11:29.34harloô
11:29.42Megaloni have my index finger on f9, and pinky on numpad-0
11:29.47Megalonawkward at first but works nicely
11:29.52harlyea right
11:30.02mitch0Megalon: it's after the accident, right?
11:30.29Megalonyea, gotta work with what you got, mitch0
11:30.33mitch0;)
11:30.36harl*facepalm*
11:30.52sbsame here - wasd :|
11:31.01Megalonwish i could do that harl, but i'd poke an eye out
11:31.08mitch0:))
11:31.20harli heal with F-keys and still move with wasd.. take that
11:31.33mitch0wasd sucks for obvious reasons
11:31.41Megalontake my strong hand!
11:32.02harlyour strong hand is too strong and big for me.. lol..
11:34.19harlmitch0: i still wonder what reasons that would be
11:35.39mitch0erm, so that your hands would be in the natural touch-typist rest position (even when gaming)
11:35.58mitch0also, 'f' and 'j' are marked so you can find them easily without looking
11:36.04harlyes
11:36.15harlbut why does wasd suck
11:36.34mitch0erm
11:36.47mitch0esdf vs wasd, 'f'
11:37.23mitch0unless you use wasd with pinky on 'a', ring-finger for 'w' etc (which I highly doubt)
11:38.13harlno, but i move forward/backward with my pinky on w and s respectively if i have to
11:38.36mitch0uh
11:39.39mitch0*shrug*, whatever floats your boat. give esdf + caps as ctrl a try once though (and learn proper touch-typing) It's worth it in the long run imo
11:39.48mitch0takes about 3 weeks to get to a reasonably usable level
11:40.05harlheh.. i know how to touchtype already
11:40.39mitch0and you don't feel the errors of wasd? strange
11:41.17harltouchtyping doesn't dictate the size of my hand or its resting position
11:42.08mitch0I don't agree with your second statement, but again, *shrug*. not much point in continuing this
11:42.11mitch0(also vi > emacs)
11:43.49harllol.. fair enough
11:44.11harli too prefer vi, or rather vim
11:44.52mitch0btw, it's no coincidence that the main character in wiz 7 is "Vi Domina", not "Emacs Domina"
11:45.32harl^^
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12:55.29quiescens!
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13:14.48sbso quassel with qt 5.4 / webchannel could bring us a real webinterface!? :D
13:15.28GnarfozI know half of those words
13:16.04sbbasically websocketse for c++
13:16.28sbask nevcairiel for details :D
13:21.34znfuuu, websockets
13:21.40znfwebsockets are neat
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14:53.29nevcairielhey the b.net app is more verbose now, it actually says stuff its doing when starting an update
14:53.34nevcairielor i just always missed it doing that
15:03.27hasteit spammed my terminals quite a lot before at least
15:03.30hastebut mostly with json data
15:15.21Gnarfozsb:L how is that an improvement over what quassel-webserver already does? that also uses websockets, doesn't it
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15:35.07EthanCentauraisorry Zeldo :(
15:41.00znfihadsomuchfreakincaffeineimsohighrightnow
15:42.21EthanCentauraigives znf some Horlicks.
15:45.14winkcalms znf down with asphyxiation
15:45.24znfkinky.
15:53.23quiescensgo to sleep
16:56.37FiskerI'm getting so worried Stanzilla
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17:07.09mitchnullyo. is the ssh-key-fingerprint change on wowace legit?
17:07.19EthanCentauraiDragon Age Origin is free on Origin if anyone cares
17:08.39mitchnullhm. what happened with the repo? new IP, new fingerprint and apparently my public key got lost, too
17:12.13znfhack
17:12.40mitchnullyeah, probably some romanian hacker
17:14.32znfwasn't me
17:14.50NeffiEthanCentaurai: "ooh let me sign up for Origin" "Password does not meet requirements." no
17:15.17Neffigame isn't good enough to perpetuate this retarded policy
17:15.39znfBut all they want is APa55w0rd~!@#«»˛˚
17:16.22NeffiI handed them a random 16-character password with a good mix of characters, and that doesn't meet policy.
17:16.43znflol
17:21.17quiescenso.o
17:21.19quiescenswhat is the policy?
17:22.07znfsacrifice of first born
17:29.28Neffiquiescens: 1 lower case, 1 upper case, 1 number
17:29.51znfwell, my "default" password is like that :P
17:29.57znfI'm pissed when they require random chars in it
17:29.59znflike, wtf?
17:30.20Neffiproblem is, I can memorize 16 random characters just fine, even with lots of symbols, but I run into an issue if I try to mix capitals in there
17:30.38quiescens1 upper case 1 lower case and a number isn't exactly an uncommon policy
17:30.39NeffiI'll just totally fail to remember the password
17:31.01Neffidoesn't mean it's sane
17:31.36Neffithey should encourage longer passwords with more varied content. these kinds of policies are just making people use shitty passwords like 1Seahorse
17:32.16znfhunter2
17:32.16znf:D
17:32.16NeffiHunter2*  ;)
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17:35.23znfI wonder why doesn't the bnet agent just restart itself for updates?
17:36.26quiescensthe agent does doesn't it?
17:36.34quiescensbut the client doesn't
17:37.43quiescensthe client presumably doesn't because it has chat functionality and restarting itself at will and closing people's chat windows etc is usually not well received
17:50.48sbTY BETA
17:50.51Stanzillahi
17:53.22quiescenso/
17:55.15EthanCentauraiOrigin is so secure it is refusing to send me my two-factor code :V
17:55.29quiescens\o/
17:55.44quiescensprevents all unauthorized access
17:56.07quiescensalso prevents authorized access, but that is a small price to pay
17:58.54EthanCentauraithey sent me a code... it's invalid
17:59.04Stanzillahttp://static.neow.in/images/uploaded/2014/10/screen_shot_2014-10-08_at_8.02.46_am.jpg that looks really good actually
17:59.04EthanCentauraican't EA do anything right?
18:08.11Primerno
18:15.04Gnarfozznf: because it'd end up not running... UAC
18:15.08Gnarfoz:)
18:15.23nevcairielhey Gnarfoz your raid not happening?
18:15.26znfstupid uac
18:15.32Gnarfozwell, or put otherwise, it wouldn't be able to change its files at whichever step that happens
18:15.45Gnarfoznevcairiel: not for me at lest, I'm leaving the office now
18:15.49nevcairieloh
18:15.57nevcairielyou need to work less
18:16.02Gnarfozsome guy I emailed took a chance and called at 18:27 or so
18:16.06Gnarfozand I was dumb enough to answer xD
18:16.12Gnarfozjust got off the phone a couple of minutes ago
18:16.46Gnarfozbut at least I learned that aacraid (adaptec raid controller driver) marks the devices it passes to the kernel as removable
18:17.01Gnarfoz(for... reasons I also know now, but... yeah.)
18:17.19Gnarfozour monitoring system was not collecting stats for some of those, because it skips removable devices
18:17.29quiescensgo to sleep *foz o.o
18:17.49nevcairieli've had a driver like that, totally stupid, as it messes with some windows things as well
18:17.53Gnarfozguy who called writes it (or at least works on it) and he was very confounded why those disks might be skipped by the gatherer
18:18.05Gnarfozit's intentional, to make Linux not do certain things
18:18.17Gnarfozhttp://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0602.2/1231.html
18:18.27Gnarfozat least we got to the bottom of that
18:18.52Gnarfozthe other issue was that the time in the montoring system seemed to be off by an hour, but it's apparently just a weird display issue our installation has
18:19.13Gnarfozthe emails it generates and the log files have the correct timestamps
18:19.15Gnarfozso whatever
18:19.24quiescenstimezones!
18:19.27quiescensits always timezones
18:19.28Gnarfozgoing to be replaced with a fresh installation on a newer, way more powerful box soon, anyway
18:19.37quiescens8086?
18:19.48Gnarfoz68000
18:20.27GnarfozI guess I could put the o-rings on my work keyboard before I go... only takes half an hour or so and I don't have to do it during office hours tomorrow, when people mighty ask wtf I'm doing :p
18:20.46nevcairielbut thats another half hour you're at work
18:21.01Gnarfozright, but it's on the clock! ;p
18:21.08Gnarfozyeah I'll not do that
18:21.13Gnarfoznot tonight at least
18:21.30Gnarfozweirdly enough, the 2 mm o-rings that made my mx blues at home barely usable, work almost identically to the 1.6 mm ones
18:21.35GnarfozI'
18:21.50GnarfozI'll have to pick which ones' sound I like best ;-)
18:21.57Gnarfozand quassel-webserver desperately needs tab completion
18:22.32Fiskerhey nevcairiel
18:22.36FiskerI want to s l e e p
18:22.40Gnarfozdo eet
18:22.47nevcairielindeed, just do it
18:33.28quiescensgo to sleep
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18:33.33Fisker3 hours left
18:36.19Stanzillapenis
18:36.36EthanCentauraiget off of Stanzilla's PC
18:36.55nevcairielon a addon development note, blizzard sure picks silly times for maintenance, its always in the productive evening hours!
18:37.29nevcairielno wonder i keep doing that during my work hours :p
18:38.14EthanCentauraiwhat's a work?
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18:51.18Megalona work is a thing you exchange for a money
18:51.32Megalone.g. clicking a peon generates 2 work
18:51.46EthanCentauraiclicks on znf.
18:52.01EthanCentauraiok now what
18:59.53Megalonhave to click multiple times on the lazy ones :<
19:00.55EthanCentauraiclicks on Ackis several times.
19:01.27Ressyclick harder to kill him.
19:02.47znfnevcairiel, so, I have an issue with bt
19:03.08znfI have an ability on the "9" button
19:03.09nevcairielpebkac
19:03.22znfI try to press it, I see the "pressing" animation, but the ability doesn't go off
19:03.24znfsame thing with clicking
19:03.44nevcairielput it another button
19:04.30znfhmm, that doesn't work, either
19:04.54nevcairieldisable BT, see the blizzard UI have the same problem?
19:04.57nevcairielyour ability is broken!
19:05.02znfI had this happen before
19:05.08znfif I reload UI, it works
19:05.37nevcairielthe clicking of buttons is 100% secure blizzard code
19:06.06znfhttps://gfycat.com/QuaintGleefulDegu
19:06.36Stanzillayou probably have error messages hidden
19:06.38Stanzillaand it tells you something
19:06.59znfand why does it work after a reloadui? :P
19:07.14EthanCentauraiblame Masque
19:07.56Stanzillamaybe you clear your target with a reload ui
19:07.57Stanzillaor focus
19:08.00Stanzillaand it's macro?
19:08.55znfit's a macro, but it's /cast [@player]Power Word: Shield
19:09.55EthanCentauraidelete the macro and use auto-selfcast
19:20.08Stanzillahttp://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/head/head.c?rev=1.18&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
19:20.12znfEthanCentaurai, that wouldn't work. I use auto-assist from BT
19:20.45znfnow that's an old bug
19:22.14hasteStanzilla: no way to actually see the diff :P ?
19:22.24hasteah there
19:22.27StanzillaI'm still looking for it
19:22.28Stanzillawhere
19:22.35Stanzillacvs is horrid
19:22.40hastehttp://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/head/head.c.diff?r1=1.17&r2=1.18&f=h
19:22.49hastereturn to head.c and diff
19:22.58Stanzillaah, nice
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19:29.11sbnevcairiel: YES, this maint. sucks
19:29.31nevcairieli'll just do addon stuff tomorrow morning
19:29.48nevcairielyou can craft a few fish icons for me if you're bored!
19:30.56EthanCentauraidownloads GIMP.
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19:31.26hastegimps EthanCentaurai.
19:31.30EthanCentauraidies.
19:32.08hasteI've used gimp for so many years now
19:32.19hasteand I still don't fully understand how something simple as selections work
19:32.29nevcairielselections are magic
19:32.33EthanCentauraiI used to use Paint.net until recently.
19:32.56hastedon't think paint.net runs very well on Linux
19:33.19EthanCentauraiprobably not
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19:37.26sbnevcairiel: no - more dry coding (breaking stuff)
19:42.30Gnarfozdon't be hastey
19:42.36Gnarfozwhat's the problem with selections?
19:43.22Megalonclick selection tool > select stuff?
19:43.29Gnarfozbrb
19:43.38Kalrothi select you
19:43.38znfselects gna
19:43.40znfdamn you
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19:43.53Megalonselects all the *fozs
19:43.57Kalrothselects Gnarfoz before znf
19:44.00Kalrothffff
19:44.47Megalonuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
19:50.42znfUpdate failed (error: 7)An error occurred while checking for updates: Programul de instalare a întâmpinat eroarea 0xc0000374.
19:50.44znfthe fuck, Chrome
19:50.48znfsince when are you bilingual
19:51.28nevcairielis that romanian?
19:51.35znfyeah
19:52.00nevcairielreads like s ome weird variation of a western language
19:52.24znfwell, it is a latin language...
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20:09.53Gnarfozit's actually a romance language
20:10.17Gnarfoz(which still stems from Latin, just not "that way" ^^)
20:12.50Gnarfozoh god, you have old and new orthography and they have different kinds of diacritics & umlauts
20:12.52Gnarfozwtfff
20:13.27Gnarfozş != ș
20:14.21Gnarfozalso Î, î, and â
20:14.30Gnarfoz(but not  anymore!)
20:15.08Gnarfoztime to switch keyboards
20:15.49znfno
20:15.54znfthe correct is ș
20:16.09EthanCentauraiI only see rectangles.
20:16.10znfyou're getting it all wrong :D
20:16.17znfEthanCentaurai, l2utf-8
20:16.32EthanCentaurail2engrish
20:16.36znfGnarfoz, we have âășțî ÂĂȘȚÎ
20:17.02Gnarfozhuh? how was I wrong
20:17.18znfGnarfoz, ş was never correct, but we lacked support for ș for years in Windows (as an example) and in fonts
20:17.20GnarfozI didn't say anything about which of the 's' was right, just that one is not the same as the other
20:17.25znfyeah it is
20:17.36Gnarfozwhat is?
20:17.38Gnarfoz:|
20:17.38znfbecause we didn't have ș support, we just used ş
20:17.44znfit's the same thing
20:17.51Gnarfozit's not, according to Wikipedia
20:18.02StanzillaI have to get really close to the monitor to see a difference :D
20:18.16znfStanzilla, one is a S with a cedilla, the other one (the correct Romanian one) is with a comma
20:18.45Gnarfozthe *new Romanian one, bevore orthography reform, the other one was "correct" (eithe "too" or "instead", didn't read that far)
20:18.52Gnarfoz*before (zomg)
20:19.16znfȘ, formerly Ş is a letter of the Romanian alphabet. In early versions of Unicode, Ș (S-comma) was not present in the Unicode Standard. It is also not present in the Windows 1250 (Central Europe) code page. Some texts in Romanian show it as Ş (S-cedilla).
20:19.43Gnarfozsure, but who cares about unicode implementation? it's about what your language uses
20:19.52GnarfozUnicode follows that :D
20:19.54Stanzillayou guys are retarded
20:20.25znf...you're wrong
20:20.26Gnarfoznevermind, you are right
20:20.35Gnarfozthe Wikipedia page needs updating
20:20.56Gnarfozthey're claiming different things on different pages on the same topic :D
20:21.24znfThe Romanian language always used Ș (it's how it always we were thought in school), it's just that nobody tought of us poor Romanians, so we didn't have that char until Unicode 3.0
20:21.42znfSo, as a substitute, in "legal" documents we simply used ş (s-cedilla)
20:21.50Gnarfozyeah, German wikipedia says that, English says something else
20:22.07znfâ and î is the same sound
20:22.09Gnarfozor it was one of the photo descriptions, I went through too many pages to find it again
20:22.26Gnarfozyeah, but Wikipedia says after reform, I and i at start/end of words instead of A?
20:22.28Gnarfozor something
20:22.32znfbefore 1990 (if I remember corectly? or whatever the reform was), we the romanian language didn't use â
20:22.33Gnarfozthat's what I meant above
20:22.37znfWe used î only
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20:23.13znfBut then it changed... no idea what the motivation was, so we now use â instead of î, but only if not at the beggining of the word
20:25.38Gnarfozbecause an even earlier revision had ê and û, too
20:26.30Gnarfozwhich were only used to convey etymological information, but since barely anyone knew latin, people fucked up the use of â, ê, û, î all the time, so they said "ok, write all of them as î"
20:27.16Gnarfozthen in 1990 they reintroduced â for not-at-start/end of word
20:27.21Gnarfozwhat the hell :D
20:28.11Stanzillashould just used italian already
20:28.26Gnarfozbut that's the wrong branch of languages!
20:28.42Stanzilladon't care
20:28.53Gnarfozjust go all the way and speak binary
20:28.55znflatin root
20:28.56znf!!
20:29.17Gnarfozwell... ultimately, somehow, yes
20:30.49Gnarfozit's not based on the Latin people learn in school when they take Latin classes
20:31.23Gnarfozbut on Vulgar Latin, which by its very nature had no official language rules
20:32.13Gnarfoz(since it was used by common people for speech, not by poets/officials/whoevers to write poems/records/documents)
20:34.15nevcairielas expected, a sad small amount of WoW panels at the con
20:35.07nevcairielin general kinda  low amount of panels it seems
20:46.40Gnarfozsb: https://play.google.com/music/m/Tssf7afg45dfsx3yi2ehricez3a (from the re-recording of Ecliptica)
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20:50.24MysticalOSwhat would they discuss at wow panels "here is stuff we showed you last year, sorry we're so far behind on wod"
20:50.37MysticalOSbetter to avoid subject :)
20:50.50Funkeh`lol
20:51.45znf>World of Warcraft - Items, Class Changes, and More
20:51.54znfI'm guessing that's what they're saying there :D
20:51.59znfhere's last year's stuff
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20:52.13znfI'm almost thinking of not buying the virtual ticket
20:52.46znf>Warlords of Draenor Cinematic Intro00:15 - 01:15
20:52.51znf...one hour for that? O.o
20:53.28MysticalOS1 minute
20:53.40MysticalOS15 seconds in to 1 minute 15 seconds?
20:54.08znf...thats' my local time
20:54.15nevcairielthey might talk about the creation of the intro or something
20:54.39MysticalOSlets just hope they don't announce their faster expansion plan of reducing content to 2 tiers. just what we need is one 6 month tier and one 12 month tier, instead of 2 6 month and 1 12. ensuring we spend 66% of expansion in a single tier instead of only 50%
20:54.49znfheh
20:54.53znfnah, MysticalOS
20:54.55znfsingle tier only
20:54.58znfcheaper expansion
20:55.00znflike, 5€
20:55.00znf:D
20:55.07znfand you get 1 level / expansion
20:55.32znfI'm actually curious if they will do levels above 100 in the next expansions
20:55.39nevcairielthey did say it looks like they may hold up their faster development goals this time
20:55.51nevcairielthey did admit that it didnt catch on yet, afterall
20:55.57Megalonnext expansion they will expand number crunching
20:56.08znf(or will they come with up some sort of alternate leveling system)
20:56.10Megalonand crunch down the level numbers, as they are getting big and ridiculous
20:56.16Megalonafter lvl100 you'll be lvl2
20:57.06MysticalOSthey said they may reduce expansion content to 2 tiers to allow teams to move to next expansion faster. but that'll be even worse if they do it. cause it won't avoid last tier being too long, it'll just reduce good paced tiers into 1.
20:57.20MysticalOSthey just need to work out logistics to keep live and expansion pace propper
20:57.48znfwe need to move to 4 tiers!
20:58.18nevcairielthe next raid tier will likely be nearly done by the time WoD is released, so if they moved to the next expansion by then already, its unlikely that they would need another 12 month span
20:59.07MysticalOShopeful thinking, but we'll see.
20:59.27nevcairielafterall, the level designers and whatnot have been done with WoD for a while already i bet
20:59.54znfthis could have gone better if they didn't rush 5.0 and 5.2
21:00.06znf(I personally felt 5.2 a bit rushed)
21:00.13MysticalOSif that's the case, it may make the expansion after WoD faster but only as a result of WoD being so late. if next one is fast then one after it may turn into wod again
21:00.23MysticalOS5.2 was rushed, they said they wn't make mistake of ending first tier too early again
21:00.24Funkeh`5.2 did seem too quick
21:00.45MysticalOSthe number of guilds that killed heroic sha was quite low
21:00.50znfoh, I mean the first tier was rushed, but so did the second
21:01.00znfcould have stayed in ToT for 1 more month
21:01.08MysticalOSyes one more month of ToT
21:01.08nevcairielhow can the first tier be rushed, its at the beginning of the expansion
21:01.21MysticalOSfirst tier ENDING too early
21:01.24znfnevcairiel, I mean the "ending" of the tier :P
21:01.45MysticalOSToT could have also lasted a little longer, not sure a whole month
21:03.17znfI liked their middle-of-the-road patches though
21:03.21znfshould have done a 5.5
21:03.26MysticalOSwhwat they'll do this time, they are going to hold blackrock foundry longer, and let heroic highmaul progression last longer without benefiting from higher ilvl gear/tear that's in blackrock
21:03.45MysticalOStier*
21:03.57znfmaybe they could have kept the stupid island for 5.5
21:04.20MysticalOSthey'll basically make blackrock foundry actually feel more like second tier instead of concurrent tier 1 with superior gear like heart of fear was
21:04.23nevcairielmeh, every raid patch needs some kind of outdoor content to go with it
21:05.14MysticalOSheart of fear even came out too early cause it just dropped MSV progression to get better gear, tier, then go back to MSV with it being a lot easier all of a sudden.
21:05.55znfindeed
21:06.14znfI don't remember if we actually bothered with MSV at all when hof came out
21:06.23znfwe were busy progressing there
21:07.00znfand we never really got back there unless on alts, because we were progressing in the new places in our main raids
21:07.08znfthere was no reason to go back for inferior gear
21:08.20MysticalOSwe went straight into HoF and focused on progression there until another guild went after MSV realm first, then we went back there and took the realm first with our HoF gear advantage, quite easily
21:08.49nevcairieldidnt HoF open later, how could you go straight there
21:08.56MysticalOSit opened like 2 weeks later
21:09.28MysticalOSie before most guilds were done with MSV. it basically ended reasons to be in MSV though
21:09.44MysticalOSmsv was only 502 with 0 tier
21:09.47MysticalOSHOF was 509 with tier
21:10.12nevcairielthey didnt say yet when foundry opens, did they
21:10.17MysticalOSnope
21:10.17GnarfozHoF was 4 weeks after MSV
21:10.31nevcairielnot this year, then
21:10.44Gnarfoz(and ToES 2 weeks after that)
21:10.56MysticalOSbut when olivia said "I hope at least 8 weeks" and watcher said "yeah that's about what we're looking at"
21:11.24nevcairielyeah that would end up being like end of january
21:11.28nevcairielseems like a ok time
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21:12.59Funkeh`good morning repo
21:13.01nevcairieloh repo woke up
21:13.05nevcairielold commits ahoy
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21:13.18Repo- Fix BeanCounter plugin initialization
21:13.28Reposkillet: 03bsmorgan * r368  (4 files in 2 directories): Skillet:
21:13.30Repo- Add filter for Altoholic item count.
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21:15.06GnarfozI hate youtube concert clips where the audio is mostly on one channel
21:15.08Gnarfoz;D
21:22.44nevcairielwhole wowace  job system seems to have been down, i also got a 12 hours old PM notification mail now :P
21:23.06nevcairielmaybe it wasnt repo's fault, for once!
21:23.17znfbut it was Torhal's fault
21:23.32TorhalNope.
21:23.38TorhalI don't touch legacy stuff.
21:23.42TorhalActually, nobody does.
21:23.42znfit's always Torhal's fault...
21:23.48Stanzillahow do you pee then?
21:23.49Torhalstabs znf with quiescens.
21:23.49Stanzillasit?
21:24.06Torhalbashes Stanzilla around with Humbedooh.
21:24.22Humbedooh:o
21:27.01MegalonTorhal is on a spree
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21:27.31znfhttps://i.imgur.com/jV6HjRO.jpg
21:27.32Torhalhands Megalon a package of Willy Wonka Spree.
21:27.50Megalonyummy
21:28.17nevcairielmmmm the new talbuk models sure are cool
21:28.22nevcairieldefinitely need such a mount
21:31.56znfWoD needs flying!
21:32.16nevcairielnonsense
21:32.24Gnarfozanyone speak dutch in here?
21:32.25nevcairielyou need stabing
21:32.49nevcairielasmodai and chiel
21:32.52Gnarfozoh and I found the red Esc keycaps, totally forgot about them... they were stuffed into the box of the keyboard for home :D
21:33.52Gnarfozyo dutchies, what does Floor say here during the intermission thing? http://youtu.be/XrUzMkOKI-k?t=2m30s :D
21:35.25Gnarfozalso, why does Metal Female Voices Fest have to be in Wieze, that's very far away D:
21:35.54nevcairielwieze belgium?
21:36.03Gnarfozyep
21:37.13Megalonmy timeconsuming analyses came to the conclusion that she said FUCK YOU
21:37.32Gnarfozapparently something along the lines of "no joke" :p
21:44.23Gnarfozdang, space bar is really easy to press, I'll probably end up replacing that switch some day
21:44.45nevcairieli have that problem on this keyboard, random spaces sneak into places sometimes
21:48.36Gnarfozthat's why there's pairings for those keys... blue/green, black/grey, brown/clear with the latter being heavier to press... but apparently not everyone's doing that ^^
21:49.12Gnarfozhowever, typing that line (first one on the keyboard :D), I had to stop and check to even notice that I was pressing the space bar for the spaces
21:49.20Gnarfozmaybe it's not such a bad thing :D
21:49.42Gnarfozthey just appear out of thin air since it's so easy to press with the thumb, I barely notice
21:49.52nevcairielsame
21:50.04nevcairielbut i also have spaces appearing when they shouldnt
21:50.05GnarfozI'll have to get used to it anyway
21:50.11nevcairielmostly when i dont concentrate on typing much
21:50.16Gnarfozyeah, entirely possibly that'll happen :D
21:50.26Gnarfozespecially since I usually rest my fingers on the keys
21:51.00Gnarfozbut either because they're new, or because of build quality somehow, they keys don't nearly give as easily as on the other one
21:51.14Gnarfozmaybe better quality control, idk
21:51.37GnarfozI wanted to check how long I've had the Das Keyboard, let's see...
21:51.46nevcairielmy old das and my current one feel super different, despite having the same kind of switch, supposedly
21:51.58nevcairielsound different too
21:52.14Gnarfozwhich ones do you have again
21:52.19Gnarfoz3 and 4 (the brand new one)
21:52.21Gnarfozor 2 and 3
21:52.31nevcairieli can hear the switch in the das, can practically not hear it in this one
21:52.47nevcairieldas 3 professional, i think, and a q-pad mk
21:52.51nevcairielmk80
21:53.06Gnarfozah, I thought you had two different Das
21:53.09Gnarfozk
21:53.26asmodaimmm?
21:53.31Gnarfozxmas 2006, apparently? I'd have thought I've had it for longer
21:53.36nevcairielthere, a dutchy woke!
21:53.46Gnarfoz:D
21:54.10nevcairielthey are both brown switches when i remove the keycaps, still wonder why the switch sound is just so much louder in the das
21:54.19Gnarfozalthough 8 years is quite a bit of time in IT things... I think I replaced literally every other part of my computer setups since then (some even twice or more times)
21:54.23asmodaiGnarfoz: As far as I understand it she says/sings "klein grapje"
21:54.31asmodaiLiterally: (a) little joke
21:54.40asmodaiReferring to the guitar riff
21:54.54Gnarfozah, other guy said something similar, yours makes more sense
21:55.00Gnarfoz(because he said "no joke")
21:55.15asmodaiYou recognise the guitar riff just before she said it?
21:55.35GnarfozI don't know what it's from, but it's easily recognizable
21:55.39Gnarfozisn't it
21:55.42GnarfozPippi Langstrumpf
21:55.45asmodaiyep
21:55.46Gnarfozk
21:55.47asmodaiRight on the mark
21:56.01Gnarfozbrain woke up for a second
21:56.02Gnarfoz;)
21:56.13nevcairielcan send it back to sleep now
21:56.28Gnarfozgood idea
21:56.44asmodaiAnd a bit later she says something like "'k Ben een Pippi Langkous" - I'm a Pippi Langstrumpf
21:57.07Gnarfozhehe
21:57.38Gnarfozmy keyboard is almost as old as that recording ;D
21:58.05harlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys__bHhhl6Q
21:59.21asmodaiDespite being Dutch I'm only a so-so fan of either After Forever or Within Temptation. I prefer Anneke van Giersbergen (ex-The Gathering) more. That or Cristina Scabbia from Lacuna Coil. Or heck, Elize Ryd from Amaranthe.
22:02.47Gnarfozthere's more than enough choice available, luckily :D
22:03.21GnarfozI like live guest appearances from similar (but different) bands a lot ^^
22:04.17GnarfozAnneke for example appears on Within Temptation's Black Symphony; and obviously YouTube is full of such things... with a wide range of audio quality
22:04.54harlyep
22:07.34Gnarfozif I had a Female-fronted Metal playlist, all of those singers/bands you listed would be part of it, asmodai :D They're all pretty amazing
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22:45.19Gnarfozhow great is this :O https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1EEcCOGSDg
22:46.40znfGnarfoz, what does Multistrike do in WoD for Prot Paladins?
22:46.57GnarfozI have zero clue
22:46.58nevcairieldoesnt it do mostly the same shit for everyone? :P
22:47.04Gnarfozprobably the same as for everyone?
22:47.05Gnarfoz:o
22:47.20Stanzillayes
22:51.07Stanzillashake it off
22:55.16znfDidn't they say that it will have some defensive utility for tanks?
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22:56.26nevcairieli dont remember hearing about that
22:56.33znf...
22:56.40nevcairielnot every secondary stat is good for everyone
22:57.04nevcairielits a threat/damage stat mostly, just like all the others
22:57.17znfI remember a blue saying that it will be useful in some way.
23:00.03nevcairielsupposedly there are spec-specific passives that somehow interact with multistrike for tanks
23:00.11znfYup
23:00.16znfBut I can't seem to find details
23:01.59nevcairielhttp://wod.wowhead.com/spell=159374  ?
23:02.27nevcairielsince you asked for paladins
23:03.23znfmhm
23:03.38znfDoesn't that sound OP? :D
23:03.48nevcairielhttp://wod.wowhead.com/spell=159362 warrior
23:04.42znfothers? :D
23:05.38nevcairielhttp://wod.wowhead.com/spell=159232 druid
23:06.11znfthat doesn't sound much
23:06.40nevcairieli'm not sure how to interpret the wording at the end, does that mean it stacks, or just the duration extends?
23:06.43nevcairielkinda weird
23:07.31znfif it doesn't stack it's kind of sucky
23:07.46znfmaybe the % goes up in some way and the tooltip data mined is wrong
23:07.55nevcairielDKs have this http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=165394
23:08.36znfhttp://wod.wowhead.com/spell=120272
23:08.42znfI think that's for Monks
23:09.04nevcairielseems rather offensive
23:09.24znfdon't see anything esle about multistrike for brewmaster
23:09.38nevcairielhttp://wod.wowhead.com/spell=124502 ?
23:10.02nevcairielvalues in tooltips seem generally off :p
23:10.15znfor this? http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=124502
23:10.16znfyeah
23:12.59nevcairiellets see if the beta is back up already
23:13.23nevcairielah it is
23:16.02nevcairielhm yeah its only 2% for druids in game right now
23:16.05nevcairielthat feels weak
23:17.27nevcairielah it stacks
23:17.55nevcairielwas at like 12% when i finished fighting this elite
23:18.32nevcairielwith only 5% multistrike in bear form
23:19.06nevcairielanyway, zzz time
23:39.39TalrynIf you tag an add-on as interface 60000, the Curse Client would no longer download the alpha version?
23:45.25Funkeh`Seeing as the beta loads old TOC files fine, I wouldn't bother trying to find out
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23:58.22Gnarfozlalala
23:58.26Gnarfozsleep tiems?
23:58.53Gnarfozthey should just stop at build 19k
23:58.59Gnarfoznice round number ;-)

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