IRC log for #wowace on 20141006

00:00.01Semlari can't really think of anything too useful to do with that
00:01.11Semlarsome party members is x yards above or below you.. yeah i don't know what good that is
00:01.29MysticalOShonestly last fight i can think of where that was useful, alakir
00:01.59MysticalOSat time z was impossible, and had to assume person even if 50 yards above you, was too close with the debuff :\
00:02.33MysticalOSbut it's not typical of fights to make much z use. galakras did, but had no relevant debuffs or distance checks
00:02.56Semlarit is important to know whether UnitDistanceSquared factors in the Z because it means you should always use that instead of comparing the points to get distance
00:03.18Semlarat least for range checks
00:04.34Semlarso it would be more accurate on uneven terrain and stuff
00:05.25Stanzillasunday sunday, gotta farm shit on sunday
00:05.27Stanzillafun fun fun fun
00:05.34MysticalOShmm
00:05.39MysticalOSyou just reminded me, i have a mount sell to do soon
00:06.35StanzillaI'm actually listening to taylor swift though
00:12.09Stanzillanebula169: btw Ancient rerolls are now guaranteed to give as many new ancients as possible.
00:12.51Gnarfozshame her new album is still not out
00:13.52StanzillaI'm just hooked on that one track
00:14.14sbewww, goto sleeps :(
00:14.19Stanzillano
00:14.37sbalarm at 7:00
00:14.45Gnarfozno stanzilla on last.fm
00:14.55Stanzillastanz0r
00:16.22sbneed to fix my gmusicstuff to scrobble again
00:16.23Stanzillaalso new homeland starts today
00:16.34Gnarfoz4 plays in the last 7 days? you call that hooked
00:16.42GnarfozI totally lost track of my TV shows
00:16.57Stanzillaeh I listened to it on youtube mosto f the time :D
00:16.58GnarfozI know I have Homeland S04E00 around here somewhere
00:17.02Stanzillabecause the video is good
00:18.46Stanzillamy new spotify playlisti s way too good though
00:18.51Stanzillacan't repeat only the first track
00:19.58Stanzillalol 8lamer
00:20.19StanzillaYour musical compatibility is MEDIUM You both listen to Armin van Buuren, Above & Beyond, Tiësto and Paul van Dyk
00:20.21Gnarfozalmost managed to read that correctly
00:20.40StanzillaI always make fun of it in a different way
00:20.47Stanzillaalso wtb my login info
00:22.16Stanzillaoh man, that was pre-1password, don't want to login on every device again ):
00:22.44GnarfozYour musical compatibility with Stanz0r is MEDIUM Music you have in common includes Armin van Buuren, Above & Beyond, Tiësto, Paul van Dyk and Taylor Swift.
00:22.52Stanzilla:D
00:23.01Stanzillapretty sure a curse voice dev knows my password
00:26.22Stanzillaoh an I guess I have been using the beta spotify client that has no lastfm login saved
00:26.27Stanzillaexplains the swift-lessness
00:28.35Gnarfozwhat are you farming then, Stanzilla, you didn't say
00:30.12StanzillaI did! some old tailoring recipes
00:31.43Gnarfozk, I thought that was in reply to my question about what's going away
00:31.52Stanzillaah ok
00:32.15Stanzillawell I (sb told me) discovered the wowhead account test feature
00:32.30Stanzillathat shows you quests completed/missing recipes learned etc
00:32.36Stanzillaand yeah, farming missing recipes now
00:32.49Stanzilladown from 105 missing yesterday to 72 today
00:33.17Gnarfozyou mean their "basically ARL" part of the profiler?
00:33.21Stanzillayes
00:33.35Gnarfozk - that's not new at all though :o
00:33.51Stanzillathe part where you link it to your bnet account is kinda new
00:34.06Gnarfozsure, but that wasn't necessary before
00:34.18Gnarfozthe same data was available before, too
00:34.21Stanzillaok
00:34.37Gnarfozhowever, still no way to track achievement step progress, apparently
00:35.51Stanzillathe new ninja turtles soundtrack is cool, too
00:37.26Stanzillanot the score though
00:39.39Stanzillamight just be from the trailers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LQyfknxR0
00:42.42Stanzillacould those guys please drop shit now please please
00:52.45Gnarfozlawl I'm missing this for the IoT meta http://wod.wowhead.com/achievement=8212
00:55.21Stanzillarekt
00:55.23Stanzillahappy farming
00:58.17Stanzillagimme my recipes Gnarfoz
01:10.26Stanzillaaand instance limit again
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02:55.27Stanzillastill no drop
02:55.28StanzillaI give up
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04:16.22Stanzillatouches nebula169
04:16.29nebula169hm?
04:16.33Stanzillahi
04:16.45nebula169hi
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04:37.13MysticalOSFor you Stanzilla , https://twitter.com/angelXwind/status/518981764069736448
04:47.21nebula169Speak of the devil; oracle JDK wouldn't install on OSX 10.10 at first because "it needed a version higher than 10.6"
04:47.23nebula169lol
04:48.07Megalonalso https://searchcode.com/?q=startswith%28%22windows+9%22%29 ;o
04:50.03Stanzillaooold:D
04:50.21Megalonold is just good enough for you, Stanzilla :)
04:50.22Stanzillanebula169: you need to edit the plist for that to install, yeah?
04:50.31StanzillaMegalon: yeah I know you prefer young
04:50.43nebula169fuck if i know, i don't run osx
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04:52.54Stanzillaoh I thought that was something you encountered
05:02.31quiescenso.o
05:09.04KesavaSemlar: well i was the first one to work it out so i'm allowed to have it not be perfect
05:09.06Kesavaso ner
05:09.42Semlartries to calm kesava down
05:10.44Kesavai do some really silly things that i can't be bothered to fix in this version anyway
05:10.51Kesavasince last time i tried it broke everything
05:11.03Stanzillawhat did you do
05:11.05Semlaranyway, i'm the one who figured out moving a frame while it's visible hurts your frame rate
05:11.12Stanzillaalso where is the rewrite :D
05:11.34Stanzillaoh is this a who has the bigger d contest now?
05:11.36Kesavai did all the per-frame scaling stuff, rather than just scaling the parent frame
05:11.57Kesavaand made all the functions for ScaleTexture, ScaleFrame etc
05:12.23Kesavaand it's on bitbucket
05:12.31Kesavalike i said i could add you to the repo if you want
05:12.55Semlari'd probably just break something
05:13.04Semlari'm not very good with computers
05:14.03Semlari just wanted you to know you can position your frames without the delay
05:14.36Kesavayes, i read the log since i got the highlight here
05:14.43Kesavai will probably try that. on the rewrite.
05:15.00Semlari posted some sample code on wowi http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=297420&postcount=25
05:15.03quiescensgo to sleep
05:15.31Semlarthe iterating part is not important, just how it repositions the frames
05:16.46Semlarwhat i found out was that parenting anything to the "sizer" frame caused a massive dip in performance even if you don't anchor it to that frame
05:17.07Kesavayees
05:17.08Semlari don't know why, but you need to make sure it's kept separate
05:17.15Kesavai discussed this with the tidyplates author
05:17.31Semlarit's the same as parenting anything to the original nameplate
05:18.40Kesavaah. yes. interesting.
05:19.08Semlaras far as i can tell the OnSizeChanged event won't fire more often than once per frame (sometimes twice when they first show up), even with really low framerates
05:19.58Semlari ran it alongside an OnUpdate handler and kept track of how often it fired per frame
05:20.44Semlarand capped my max framerate in the system menu
05:21.20Semlarit makes it a lot more obvious when the frames are lagging behind the units
05:21.32Kesavalow fps? yes
05:21.34Semlaryeah
05:22.01Semlaryou can see it if you're looking for it at high fps but it's not really an issue
05:22.17Kesavaindeed
05:22.53Semlarbut this method gets rid of that, hopefully without much difference in performance
05:24.21Semlarlet me know if you find a better way to do this, because i don't like creating an extra frame that i can't do anything with other than fire a script for every nameplate
05:24.58quiescenspew pew
05:25.10Semlarfires quiescens
05:25.20quiescens):
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05:33.09StanzillaKesava: I was just joking
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05:40.42hizuroSemlar: the result of your script looks funny but i don't see a drop of the frame rate...
05:41.37Semlarcomment out f:Hide()
05:42.31Semlarthe point of the script is to avoid the massive performance hit you would suffer from attaching to the blizzard nameplates
05:43.23quiescensstop breaking things o.o
05:43.27Semlarno
05:43.35Semlari have a gift
06:10.18hizuro<PROTECTED>
06:10.18hizuro<PROTECTED>
06:11.10hizuroOops...
06:11.24Semlartries to calm hizuro down
06:11.33hizuro:)
06:12.00Semlaryes the frame reference is being stored as a key
06:12.43hizurowhy not the name of the frame after checking it is the right name...
06:13.57Semlarbecause looking the frame up in the table is faster than looking the frame up and checking the name
06:15.14Semlarnot that it matters, how it scans for nameplates is totally secondary to the important part
06:16.10Semlaryou wouldn't want to convert WorldFrame:GetChildren() into a table every time you scan for new plates
06:16.47Semlarbut it's less code than doing it right
06:16.59hizuro:)
06:17.17Semlarand since this is just an example it's condensed
06:18.42hizuroand has an other effect... i've added a backdrop to the frame (with wrong path). with your code i have green screen ^^
06:19.28Semlaran incorrect texture path will give you a green texture
06:20.25Semlaras for filling the screen, you did something wrong somewhere
06:20.27hizuroi know ^^ but enough color for testing...
06:26.42hizurooh... now its not green... tested with a second copy of your example...
06:40.22hizurohow much drop your framerate?
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06:45.07Semlarcomment out f:Hide() in my script and see what it does to your frame rate
06:46.50hizuromy framerate drops from ~34 to ~24 in stormshield.
06:47.00Semlarmove your camera
06:47.04Semlardon't look at your fps
06:48.50Semlarif you have more than a few nameplates on the screen it should practically cripple your game
06:48.55mitch0moo
06:49.07hizuromom, i experimenting... ^^
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06:50.57hizurook... the f:Hide from sizer... crazy ^^
06:51.48Semlarthat's what it would be like if you were attaching directly to the blizzard nameplate
06:52.00Semlarso you can see the difference it makes
06:52.21hizuroyes...
06:57.59Semlarnormally you wouldn't have 500 font strings attached to your nameplates, but it's still a pretty big performance difference
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07:03.46hizuromysterious and interesting... :)
07:08.15Semlarjust like me
07:19.39sbmorning
07:22.43Semlarmorns sb
07:42.11nevcairielwtf is wrong with apple and making the weird function keys the default, requiring Fn to use F1-F12
07:43.14hasteI hate that.
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07:48.19Semlarwait, it requires you to press Fn even with separate F keys? or just to switch modes on multi-purpose keys
07:52.45Stanzilla.
07:53.32quiescensmoo
07:57.45sbbah, first day at work (after vacation) and just wanna go home again - stupid bugfixes :/
08:15.37sb"Ich habe kürzlich gekauft: 'Reese's 3 Peanut Butter Cups 40x51g' von Reese's über @amazon" eheheheh
08:15.41sb<3 that stuff
08:15.44winksb: stop writing bugs then!
08:16.22sbwink: not my fault :p "solution paper" was wrong/misleading
08:16.30winkyeahyeah
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09:09.08znfhey Gnarfoz
09:09.12znfwant a burger? http://foodpornshare.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/burger-3.jpg
09:11.47Megalonthere is pus running out of it on the left :S
09:13.20winksomehow I don't like images of burgers
09:13.25winkthey all look horrible
09:13.38winkmaybe the smell disabled my feeling of disgust
09:13.45wink*disables
09:17.19Megalonsmall is quite important for taste
09:17.22Megalonsmell
09:17.58znfis it me or those "screens" are somehow transparent? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xOeL6diGjMY#t=333
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09:21.57znfhmmm, seems more like an LED matrix
09:22.10znfeither way, I want to know wth is that, because it looks awesome :D
09:31.48sbugh
09:32.20sbjust overheard we have a 30h limit for overtime :o
09:35.40Megalonwhat game has up to 30h of overtime :o
09:36.32sbMegalon: the work-game :(
09:36.54sbwhats wrong with twitter?
09:36.57sbgetting 404s and stuff
09:37.11Megalonbiggest mmo in the world
09:45.52sbyup - the quest rewards are awesome
09:59.30nevcairielthe grind is super boring tho
09:59.43Megalonand takes foreeeeeeeeeeeever
10:00.51znffuckin' courier services
10:01.03znfI get a message at 8am, telling me the package will be delivered between 10 and 17
10:01.15znfnow I get a message telling me that they tried delivering the package at 9:38
10:01.22znf...meanwhile I've been all day at home
10:02.32quiescenssilly znf
10:02.48Megalonznf http://i.imgur.com/GBHt0.jpg ? ;<
10:03.34znfno, they have to ring the intercom for building acces
10:03.40znftheir excuse is "we called you, but your phone was off"
10:04.07nevcairielthat phone calling business in your country is weird
10:04.08Fiskerhey nevcairiel
10:04.15nevcairielhey el Fisk
10:04.32znfnevcairiel, that fact that they don't call YOU in germany is weird!
10:04.37Megalonthings are about to get fisky
10:04.48nevcairielthey just ring our door bell, we let them in, and we get our package
10:04.57nevcairielyou have your phone off, and you dont get your package
10:04.58znfAnd if you're not home?
10:05.00nevcairielwhich system is superior!
10:05.12znfIt only happens with this particular company
10:05.14nevcairielwhat good is calling you doing when you're not home
10:05.16Megalonthe one that gets the package delivered i'd say
10:05.20znfNever had an issue with the other companies
10:05.21Megalonbut that's just my opinion :<
10:05.29nevcairielall you can say to them is "uh, well, i'm not there"
10:05.31znfThey always come to the door, even if they can't reach you by phone
10:05.38znfnevcairiel, uhm, no, you can schedule a meet-up
10:05.47Fiskerrude
10:05.51nevcairielthey just drop it off at a neighbors here
10:05.55Megalonguess in romania they call you so they don't get shot when jumping the fence
10:05.59znflike, "I'm not there, I'm about 1km further, can we meet?"
10:06.03nevcairielor one of those automatic package delivery boxes aka packstation
10:06.32znfeh, most packages are pay-on-delivery here, they never leave it with someone else
10:06.37znfit's not germany :P
10:06.59nevcairielif you're on a private residence, you can even get your personal package drop-off box now
10:07.01znfbut this package I'm waiting is actually money
10:07.08znf(a refund)
10:07.19nevcairielever heard of wire transfers?
10:07.44nevcairieli dont think i've ever gotten money mailed to me :P
10:08.20Megalonquite weird indeed :c
10:08.26znfcompanies try to avoid doing banking operations
10:08.29Megalondid you refund drugs, znf?
10:08.39nevcairielshady companies?
10:08.47znfmost of them, actually
10:08.53nevcairielwell its romania, so yes, shady companies
10:09.10znfonly big retailers like eMag.ro, for example, are pleasant to work with in regards refunds and stuff
10:09.12Megalonthe just call them companies
10:09.15Megalonthe shady is implicit
10:09.22znfBut most people prefer to pay cash-on-delivery
10:09.40znfAnd if you have to refund something, may $deity help you
10:09.48znfsometimes it takes up to 30 days
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10:11.35znfalso, not a lot of companies take card payments
10:12.36sbwho preferes cash on delivery?
10:12.38sbthats just stupid :D
10:13.20sbugh, should stop reading - money in packages :o
10:14.16nevcairielhaha
10:14.26znfheavy distrust for banks here
10:14.45nevcairielso every has all their money at home, too?
10:14.48nevcairiel+one
10:15.02znfThe most common scenario is for people to withdraw their money from their accounts on pay day
10:15.18nevcairielsounds like a nice situation for them thieves
10:15.30znfbecause most get paid on their accounts
10:15.34nevcairielrobbing banks is so hard work when you can just go to everyones  house
10:15.51znfthis is romania, why would you rob a person for a few hundred euros? :D
10:15.58znfs/person/household/
10:16.06nevcairielbecause a few hundred euros is a fortune in romania?
10:16.06nevcairiel:D
10:16.15znfnot really, we pay the same price for utilities and food
10:16.16Megalonbecause you'd live like god in france
10:16.35znfheck, fuel is more expensive than in germany...
10:16.40nevcairielif you pay the same, how can you survive? :p
10:16.52znfsimple - we can't afford anything else
10:20.00sbwell, you cant buy food + have an apartment (non-shared) for < 500 eur / month here
10:20.24sb(not talking about fast internets, car, etc.)
10:20.26znfand you think you can here? :D
10:20.33sbyou are still here, so - yes :p
10:20.39znfI don't pay rent...
10:21.04znffood is at least ~120€ / month for myself, and just for myself...
10:21.06sbso where do you park your trailer? :p
10:21.20znfnot even counting gas
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10:51.01sbpackager is still broken?
10:55.05winkthe world is broken
10:55.54quiescensfix eet~
10:56.40sbso fixing the world by sacrificing quiescens?
10:57.44Megalonno need to sacrifice, just kill him :)
11:00.47quiescens):
11:02.31Repochinchilla: 03EthanCentaurai 07master * v2.6.2-8-g8897eb0 Chinchilla.toc: [+1 commit] Core: Added Blizzard_TimeManager to optional dependencies.
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11:05.25EthanCentauraiwelp
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11:45.55Funkeh`ok so I discovered the issue with sexymap and animations
11:46.06Funkeh`not that it makes much of a difference because it won't get fixed
11:46.30Funkeh`I have to place a 5 second delay after PLAYER_LOGIN before starting any rotating animations
11:46.47Funkeh`otherwise the speed of the rotation is blindingly fast
11:47.08Funkeh`why they changed this behavior in the first place I don't know
11:47.32Funkeh`but I really can't be fucked trying to jump through a million hoops again to try and get yet another one of their bugs fixed
11:48.00Funkeh`but for what it's worth, Cairenn ^
11:48.38mitch0funkeh: only the animations started in the first 5 secs are busted or all from the same addon if it starts animation in the first 5 secs?
11:51.43Funkeh`I believe this may be specific to rotating animations
11:52.02Funkeh`as it's the setting of the rotation speed that's broken
11:52.05Semlaris this new
11:52.17Funkeh`no, it's been a WoD issue for months
11:52.24Semlarbut it's not on live
11:52.27Funkeh`no
11:56.48Reposexymap: 03funkydude 07master * v2.4.15-6-g5aacbe6 Borders.lua: [+1 commit] Border: Blizzard has broke the behavior of rotating textures in WoD. If you try to start them after PLAYER_LOGIN, they rotate blindingly fast. To try and work around this we set a 5 second delay after PLAYER_LOGIN before starting any rotations on WoD. This really is just an ugly hack to fix behavior that Blizzard broke, but such is life, and we have to deal with yet another Blizzar
11:59.37asmodaiMy Sexymap installation thanks you
11:59.45Gnarfozso angry because so unsociable
12:00.17Gnarfozsome of the "always talking to Blizz guys, totally insiders" people would happily relay that, I bet ;p
12:00.51Gnarfozznf: where's my burger? I mentally ordered it 3 hours ago!
12:01.24sbso no more workfoz?
12:01.43Gnarfozsickfoz, more like
12:01.55quiescens*foz
12:01.59quiescenscover all eventualities
12:01.59Reposexymap: 03funkydude 07master * v2.4.15-7-g03b939b Borders.lua: [+1 commit] Borders: cleanup comments incase someone that can fix it actually reads it.
12:02.17Semlarthat's interesting because i have a rotating texture (although it's hidden when you log in) that starts immediately and isn't spinning out of control
12:02.21Funkeh`I'm more angry at the fact we still can't easily contact insiders than anything else
12:02.23GnarfozI hate long weekends, always feel like shit when they're over, even when all I did was lounge around at home
12:02.58quiescensgo to sleep o.o
12:03.29GnarfozI think the US UI forums might be a starting point, if nothing else - i.e. actual bug report vs. IRC where there's guaranteed to be nobody around who can do anything about it
12:04.09Gnarfozwtb Slouken & Zoot back on IRC (and back at Blizz)
12:04.46Funkeh`which requires me jumping through more hoops finding someone who can post there
12:05.30GnarfozStanzilla posts there all the time recently, US starter account?
12:05.31Funkeh`and after 15 minutes or so it won't even be on page 1
12:05.37SemlarFunkeh`: http://pastebin.com/YQPnGFb3 no problem with this on the beta
12:07.54Funkeh`is it after PLAYER_LOGIN?
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12:08.03Semlarthat's literally the entire code
12:08.07Funkeh`then no
12:08.21Semlarunless there's something special about waiting for the PLAYER_LOGIN event, which wouldn't make any sense
12:09.13Semlarokay i delayed it until player_login and it's exactly the same
12:09.15Funkeh`why? animations used as timers currently on live are fucked until shortly after PLAYER_LOGIN
12:09.16znfGnarfoz: I mentally shipped it 2 hours ago
12:09.47Semlari have never had an animation screw up just because i started it early
12:10.01Semlarhttp://pastebin.com/BM7G7Ttx
12:10.33Funkeh`put the entire code in login
12:10.41Funkeh`if you want to simulate mine
12:10.49Semlarwhy would you put the entire code there
12:11.12Semlaralright
12:11.16Semlarit still works fine
12:11.26Funkeh`http://pastebin.com/EVbswLFT
12:11.29Semlarwith the entire script in the login event
12:12.06Semlarso how do you know your durations aren't screwed up
12:12.20Semlarhave you tried static values?
12:12.24Funkeh`they are static nubers
12:12.34Semlarwell they're variables so you may want to double check that
12:13.09Funkeh`sure, I'll add some prints
12:15.07Funkeh`yup, still static numbers of 30 and 60
12:15.54Semlarhttp://pastebin.com/U9Z6kEW0 does this misbehave for you because it works perfectly fine on my client
12:17.52Funkeh`seems to work
12:17.58Semlarit seems likely there are other factors than just what you have here
12:18.21Semlarbecause this looks almost identical to what i have
12:20.01Semlarthe fact that it works after you delay it a few seconds makes me wonder whether it could be an issue with your saved variables or something
12:20.39Funkeh`how would that be an issue?
12:20.49Semlarhell if i know, it clearly isn't just from creating a rotation at login
12:21.06Funkeh`maybe it's something in specific with the minimap
12:21.33Funkeh`ill look into it more later when I have time
12:22.05Funkeh`hopefully they don't decide to patch wod yet again today
12:22.20Semlarall day every day
12:22.25Funkeh`they like doing that when I actually want to do something
12:22.43Semlarthey know
12:22.52Funkeh`:p
12:31.51Semlarare you sure you aren't running this more than once and adding more animations to the existing textures
12:33.33Semlarbecause if you keep creating animation groups on the same texture, it will compound their effect
12:34.34sbFunkeh`: same here - trying to do addon stuff in the evening (well, our evening that is... :|) results in "server down"
12:43.54Funkeh`Semlar, yes because the print would then have fired several times
12:44.21Semlarmaybe
12:45.22Funkeh`definitely
12:49.41sbsome other addon getting rotation textures + changing the speed?
12:56.36quiescenssb broked it!
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14:08.29Stanzillahi
14:11.58Semlarhi
14:12.04nevcairielhi
14:12.15Gnarfozhi
14:21.42sbhi
14:22.17Fiskerhi
14:22.32StanzillaFisker: watcha think of the n9 back?
14:22.39Fiskerbetter than the rumors
14:22.45Stanzillayeah
14:24.31Megalonbetter than the tumours too
14:28.11FiskerI want you though Stanzilla
14:28.25Stanzillaok
14:44.57Megalonwhen's the wedding
14:46.39Gnarfozthey're already married
14:47.39StanzillaFisker is free though, I sent him a sock
14:47.46Stanzillaactually socks
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15:01.58Fiskerhey Stanzilla
15:06.58Stanzillahey Fisker
15:07.14FiskerGonna nexus 9 so hard
15:08.34Fiskermaybe they'll send out invites today
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15:36.12Stanzillahttp://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-how-to-uninstall-preview-updates that's neat
15:37.05znfwell, this is fun
15:37.14znfI have a HDD with lots of partitions, qnx4 filesystem
15:39.42znfwonders how the hell does one check for fs errors on qnx
15:43.49quiescenscat
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16:12.29znfdamn german engineers
16:13.31znfI wonder who decided that when you rip a CD in your car, the format of choice is WMA @ 128kbps
16:13.47nevcairielwhy would your car even have ripping support
16:16.34znfBMWs have
16:16.46znfso you don't swap CDs every time? :P
16:16.53znfbuy new cd -> rip it to hdd -> enjoy
16:17.19nevcairielseems like a unsual thing to actually rip it in the car, but shrug, i dont even own a car!
16:18.32znfwell, it beats swapping CDs :P
16:18.49nevcairieli would just use music from my phone or something like that
16:24.22znfToshiba MK8050GAC
16:24.46znfinteresting project to replace the HDD with a SSD
16:24.59nevcairiel..why :D
16:25.03nevcairielyour music loads too slow? :p
16:25.14Stanzillahdd is too loud
16:25.19Stanzillaas his car is only inside of the garage
16:25.21Stanzillayou clearly hear that
16:25.40nevcairielwell he cannot afford gas to actually drive it, so that makes sense
16:36.54quiescenso.o
16:46.00pompyFisker: http://gizmodo.com/this-could-be-googles-9-inch-nexus-tablet-1642843307
16:46.09FiskerWe know pompy :O
16:46.14pompyoof course
16:46.15pompy!
16:46.26FiskerMy body is ready
16:46.37pompyfuck yeah.
16:47.20pompyhttp://www.engadget.com/2014/10/05/microsoft-roomalive-illumiroom/
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17:02.11quiescensblarg
17:02.51znfit's not my car
17:02.56znf1 ^
17:03.05znf2. hdd seems to be faulty
17:03.20znfreplacement (80GB) is hard to get and costs a fortune (and it's still 4200 RPM)
17:03.33znfit's cheaper to find a PATA SSD
17:03.39quiescensit is?
17:03.51nevcairielthey made pata ssds? o.o
17:03.58znfyes
17:04.23quiescensyour replacement has to be exactly 80gb?
17:04.27znfno
17:04.37nevcairieli had a cheap pata flash drive once that just plugged straight into the pata port on the board, but it was by far no ssd, and it was tiny (in hdd space)
17:04.43quiescensalso, why would that cost a fortune anyway
17:04.51znfquiescens, industrial
17:05.23quiescenspata flash tended to be compactflash cards with an ide connector
17:05.26quiescenso.o
17:05.27znf"These drives are made primarily for the demanding automotive environment and will be integrated into the world’s most prestigious motor vehicles."
17:05.54nevcairielits really a shame that the car industry is so slow moving when it comes to tech that they are 10 years behind
17:05.56znf<PROTECTED>
17:06.14quiescensi doubt it would have significant tangible gain compared to a typical 2.5" drive
17:06.22znfIt's not about the speed :P
17:06.42znfbut a normal hdd replacement for that sounds like you would take a trip every 2-3 months to replace it :P
17:06.59nevcairiellaptop hdds are also built for shock
17:07.04nevcairielthe good ones anyway
17:07.05quiescensin any significant case where the shock exceeds that which a typical 2.5" drive would handle, you should most likely be more concerned about the damage to the car
17:07.41quiescensif your drive takes a 300g hit, the occupants of the car are probably dead?
17:07.43znfwe're talking about shocks while operating
17:08.07znfthe mechanical heads probably don't have time to park when you hit a pothole :P
17:08.34znfthis QNX download goes slow as fuck >_<
17:09.04nevcairielquiescens: 300G isn't that much in this case, since its relative to time, and a shock moment is very short
17:09.58quiescensi suppose
17:10.06nevcairieldue to the very short shock moment, the G number inflates badly
17:10.30quiescensbut it probably isn't as severe as znf wants to think o.o
17:10.48quiescensunless you mount the drive somewhere where it takes the shock before it gets absorbed by anything
17:11.20nevcairielsomething traveling at 1m/s (or 3.6kmh, normal walking speed) hitting a concrete wall/floor generates around 100G already
17:11.21quiescensmost of which is irrelevant
17:11.26quiescensthe um
17:11.38quiescensyeah, but that's running into things
17:11.50quiescensin which case i was saying, damage to the car probably trumps damage to your hard drive
17:12.07znfheh, guess I'm not the only one with these ideas: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-812601-start-0.html
17:12.12quiescensi'm betting little bumps on the road, general "driving" stress, wouldn't affect much
17:12.32quiescensanyway, aside from all that, standard use 2.5" drives seem to have operating shock limits for 300-400
17:12.35nevcairielwell shock in the c ar is the same thing really, your car bumps around on an uneven road it practically "falls" to the ground all the time
17:12.40quiescensover 2ms
17:13.18nevcairielmost of it should hopefully end up in your suspension though
17:13.25quiescensthat's what i mean
17:13.26nevcairieland not go through the whole car
17:13.59quiescensthe shock inside the car should be minimal unless you are in a situation where you are already causing damage to the car itself
17:16.32znfyou don't drive much, quiescens
17:17.12quiescenshttp://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/SpecSheet/ENG/2879-771435.pdf
17:17.27quiescensrandom general purpose 750gb drive, 350g operating limit
17:17.42quiescensshrugs
17:18.14quiescensso you can believe what you want about the hypothetically massive shockloads of sitting in a modern luxury car
17:18.17nevcairielah that references the time, at 2ms 350G is practically nothing :d
17:19.24znfI still wouldn't expect a normal 2.5" hdd to last more than 2-3 months in a car
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17:24.18quiescensshrug, the shock characteristics of the drive you were talking about aren't any better than general purpose drives
17:24.35quiescenstemperature limits are more likely to be an issue than the shock
17:24.46quiescensdepending on local climate
17:25.15nevcairielyeah normal drives arent designed to operate in sub-zero, while the special one he mentioned earlier is
17:25.39nevcairielie. the WD 2.5" is 0-60, while the toshiba is -40-+85
17:25.43nevcairielC of course
17:27.43StanzillaFunkeh` nebula169 coolest bug ever http://i.imgur.com/jMCWfkB.jpg
17:27.52quiescensbut even then i'm not convinced, its not like people don't use laptops (drives included) in cold climates o.o
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17:32.05quiescensare you going to be in trouble *foz?
17:32.08quiescenso.o
17:32.47Stanzillait happened again
17:32.49Stanzillawtf is going on
17:32.57nevcairielyou enabled hard-hard mode
17:33.06nevcairiel(by taking Stan)
17:33.11Stanzilla= )
17:33.41Stanzillathe adds with the shields appeared in the normal phase
17:34.07Funkeh`so 25 adds spawned?
17:34.29Stanzillano
17:34.33Stanzillaadd spawn was normal
17:34.49Stanzillabut bigwigs exploded with bars again
17:34.58Funkeh`again?
17:35.00Stanzillaso maybe they spawned somewhere else
17:35.01Stanzillayes
17:36.13Funkeh`yes what
17:36.28Stanzillayes again
17:36.34Funkeh`as opposed to when
17:36.35quiescensno?
17:36.43nevcairielas opposed to usually? :D
17:36.46Stanzilla^
17:36.57Stanzillapretty sure they broke the boss with a hotfix
17:37.01Funkeh`usually, I'd like to think that doesn't happen
17:37.23nevcairielStanzilla: but when? it was fine on saturday for us
17:37.35Stanzillamust have been today
17:37.50quiescensblizzard likes breaking unrelated things while fixing something else
17:37.55quiescensits a time honoured tradition
17:38.03znfqnx is crap :(
17:38.09nevcairielznf: of course
17:38.39Stanzillaonyxia deep breaths more
17:39.36znfoh! I found "dcheck"!
17:40.02znfand something called /dev/hd1t77.1
17:40.03znfO.o
17:40.05nevcairielwhere the hell is my chinese food, its been an hour, its usually so fast
17:40.22Funkeh`Stanzilla, is this after a big add dies inside?
17:40.38quiescensgives nevcairiel a cookie
17:40.55znfoh, cool, QNX can "slay" a process
17:40.58znfI feel badass now
17:41.02Funkeh`the only way this could be possible is if for some reason the combat log event in a phase can now be seen by everyone eoutside
17:42.17Funkeh`our throttle for that is unique in that the elapsed time is player specific, rather than just elapsed time specific
17:42.59Funkeh`it works purely on the assumption that only 1 person will see the death event
17:46.31Stanzillano idea when that happened
17:46.38Stanzillabut people are killings adds all the time
17:48.20elvadorwe had people in the mainroom see the deflecting adds and people in the other phase so the boss
17:49.22Funkeh`so basically there was no phasing at all?
17:49.52Funkeh`ill join an LFR and see
17:50.09Stanzillapeople on twitter already confirmed that it is happening for other people too
17:50.12Stanzillaand not new
17:50.13Stanzillarare bug
17:50.28quiescensso its not just stanzilla?
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17:52.22Funkeh`rare bug yet you use the word "again"
17:52.29Funkeh`maybe you can be more specific?
17:52.38Stanzillait happened two pulls in a row
17:52.42Stanzillahow is that difficult :D
17:52.53Funkeh`again tells me nothing, 2 pulls in a row does
17:52.57Funkeh`how is that difficult?
17:53.02Stanzillaim raiding
17:53.04Stanzillaon warrior
17:53.05Stanzillabrain is
17:53.06StanzillazzZZz
17:54.16quiescensgo sleep
17:56.33Funkeh`ok so it's just yet another bug to be added to the long hall on unfixed bugs
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18:39.53znfwtf
18:39.57znfwhy is my beta install 62GB?
18:43.00Stanzillabecause CASC
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18:56.47znfZzzz Zzz http://i.imgur.com/jcxYbqV.png
19:03.57znfWhen I woke up this morning, I didn't think I will boot QNX
19:05.01znfalso, I wonder why would an OS like QNX come with a CD-PLAYER utility
19:05.06Stanzillawhen I woke up this morning, I didn't think I was getting a warforged weapon today
19:05.22Stanzillathen I did
19:05.25Stanzillaafter 40 weeks or so
19:07.27znfheh
19:07.45znfwish I knew what BMW did on this car :(
19:07.51znfWhy can't I mount the f* filesystem? :(
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19:19.25Megalonmounts znf to Fisker
19:21.46Fiskerok
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20:37.32znfeven more interesting
20:37.39znfthis HDD doesn't seem to have sata
20:38.44znfs/sata/smart/
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21:07.54jlamDoes anyone know if the CF/WA packager is down?
21:09.55znfhttp://www.wowace.com/packager/
21:09.57znfYes
21:18.46nevcairielwtf did that person do, give it a unicode branch name?
21:18.58nevcairielTorhal: go delete that addon and ban its author!
21:20.16znflol
21:20.25znfhe wanted to create a branch called α
21:20.43StanzillaKaelten: I wish moderators could remove projects from the packager queue
21:20.54nevcairielwe used to be able to do that <.<
21:20.58Stanzillayes
21:20.59nevcairielback when i still had my moderator rights
21:21.03nevcairielwhich someone stole!
21:21.06nevcairieland gave to Stanzilla!
21:21.12Stanzillalies
21:21.17Stanzillapretty sure we had them both back then!
21:21.40znfpops open an alcopop
21:21.43Kaeltenhrm
21:21.57Kaeltenthis particular case wouldn't work anyway
21:22.19Stanzillaonly because there is no restart button though, no?
21:22.22znfwait
21:22.34znfif I do ααα in the commit message, do I break it?
21:23.35StanzillaI don't even want to know
21:23.38Kaeltengot it fixed I think
21:23.40Stanzillabut I guess it's paths only
21:24.09Gnarfozunicode-incompatible systems, pffff
21:24.11Gnarfoz:D
21:24.20znfwait a second
21:24.23znfwhat did that guy do?
21:24.25Kaeltenunstuck. :)
21:24.33znf\xce\xb2 is ß
21:24.53znfand then γ
21:25.03znfso he tried to do αßγ
21:25.46znfor, rather
21:25.52znfαβγ
21:25.59Gnarfozin what encoding, though
21:26.16Gnarfozah... yeah, I was wondering. that encoding didn't match ß
21:27.03Gnarfozsomeone absolve me from this perfectionism, it's killing me
21:27.13znfbeats Gnarfoz with a dominatrix whip
21:27.48Gnarfozkinky
21:28.32znf^^
21:29.06znfman, wth is up with my light bulbs this year
21:29.22Stanzillaexplooooooooooooooo~sion
21:29.23Gnarfozthey're archaic?
21:29.41znfI bought 2 new bulbs for the thingie-over-the-stove-that-pulls-air a month ago
21:29.43znfone burned
21:29.52Repobadboy_guilded: 03funkydude * r201 BadBoy_Guilded.lua: more ads
21:29.57znflast week my 300W halogen lamp broke (and I had it on for less than ~2 months)
21:30.06Gnarfoz"range hood", weirdly
21:30.34Gnarfozor more simply "kitchen hood"
21:30.53GnarfozFunkeh`: but Blizzard doesn't want ads in addons! naughty~
21:32.40Gnarfozany news on the 840 evo firmware update that fixes the "old data = slow data" problem?
21:33.53Gnarfozah, planned for Oct 15
21:34.48Funkeh`slow data? you mean data that isn't chosen for it's RAM caching feature?
21:38.10Primerits*
21:39.55Gnarfozentirely unrelated to RAPID, afaik
21:40.35Funkeh`did they change it to not have a 1gb hard limit yet
21:40.59Gnarfozup to 4 GiB AFAIK
21:41.08Gnarfoznot sure if that's available for everyone or just the 850
21:41.11Gnarfoznevcairiel?
21:41.24Gnarfoz(http://www.anandtech.com/show/8550/samsung-acknowledges-the-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug-fix-is-on-the-way for reference)
21:44.16nevcairielno idea if the limit was also increased for the older ones
21:44.27nevcairielbut i'm not using it ATM since the newest version of the software has a BSOD bug
21:44.54Funkeh`...then I won't be recommending my friend update :P
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21:50.26Gnarfoz...what
21:50.36Gnarfozdoes your friend even have the same SSD as nev
21:50.57Gnarfoz(also, why recommend at all, if he doesn't know to check these things himself, he probably doesn't care)
21:51.30nevcairielthe tool also has built-in update
21:55.33StanzillaKaelten: so no chance at getting that button back?
21:55.44nevcairielor my moderator rights?
21:59.04Gnarfoz23:56:50|WARNING: Invalid auraInstanceID passed to FindObject:  4
21:59.05Gnarfozhmm
21:59.16nevcairielwat
21:59.30Gnarfozwondering what that's from
21:59.49nevcairielbtw Gnarfoz, the damn darkmoon rep buff is only an hour, thats a lot of traveling back and forth
21:59.53Gnarfozalso, want to stupid-isle quests?
22:00.02Gnarfozyou can take the buff item with you, can't you
22:00.09nevcairielis there another buff?
22:00.15nevcairieli only know of the one from the carousel
22:00.21Gnarfozthere's a... hat or something that gives it to you, too
22:00.27Funkeh`Stanzilla, what button
22:00.29GnarfozI don't rememeber :F
22:00.41StanzillaFunkeh`: to remove stuff from the packager queue when it breaks
22:00.49nevcairielwell lets go to the darkmoon faire and find out!
22:01.03nevcairielif it needs reputaiton, i'm screwed
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22:06.17nevcairielGnarfoz: i found it, its a item thats consumed, 10 price tokens for one hour
22:06.57GnarfozYeah, that
22:07.22GnarfozI'm at the faire, but my Internet just went poof
22:08.16nevcairielthat happened to me last night
22:08.27nevcairielhad to power cycle router and everything
22:09.42GnarfozHm, I can't even click "reconnect" in the web UI, button is grayed out
22:10.37GnarfozPPPoE error, timeout
22:10.57GnarfozPerhaps I'm getting my 100 Mbit tonight
22:11.40nevcairielye reconnect only works when you actually have dsl sync
22:11.44nevcairielthats the point i power cycle usually
22:11.49GnarfozLine is still up, though, at the previous speed (and wasn't down)
22:11.53nevcairielhm
22:11.56nevcairieloh well
22:12.11znfcrap :(
22:12.14GnarfozPerhaps my old login data has become invalid
22:12.22znfthis thing won't read smart, either
22:12.30nevcairielthat should be a rather specific error, usually
22:12.42GnarfozWith the contract change... But they didn't send me any new ones
22:12.46GnarfozYeah
22:13.32GnarfozIs there a button to retrain the connection, or is cycling it the only way? Let's Google
22:13.40znfwhat are you guys doing at darkmoon...?
22:13.56Funkeh`this guy was spamming this guild ad that was getting past badboy because he typo'd recruiting
22:13.58nevcairieljust wanting to pick up some of the reputation hats
22:14.04GnarfozAlready found out there's a hidden page where you can turn off the LEDs
22:14.09Funkeh`whispered him and he fixed it, easiest fix for me ever
22:14.14nevcairielFunkeh`: lol
22:14.27GnarfozGreat success, Funkeh
22:14.29nevcairiel"hey you typoed recruiting" .. "thanks!"
22:14.42Funkeh`he actually did say thanks
22:14.53Funkeh`haha sucker!
22:15.05znfreputation hat? O.o
22:15.06znfwth
22:15.09nevcairielwasnt there one guy on the badboy thread who said blocking guild spam was a false positive
22:15.20MysticalOSi like the badboy debug about those skype CM bots. hasn't caught any real spam yet
22:15.34MysticalOSa lot of those bots on my server, they are annoying
22:15.49nevcairielwe dont really have spam on this realm, the most spam is the guy from Stanzilla's guild trying to sell CM and Garrosh runs
22:16.03nevcairielits like every 10 minutes!
22:16.34Funkeh`MysticalOS, funnily enough I've noticed a massive reduction in those rbg/boosting messages since I added it
22:17.14MysticalOSthey probably updated badboy and preparing a new bad english message
22:17.16Funkeh`one spammer went as far as to change the 1 word I was using to detect his message a few hours after I committed it
22:17.53MysticalOSyou don't just block "skype" anyone posting skype Id can't be a good thing :)
22:18.06Funkeh`no but it's a key word
22:18.41znf...what hats? :-|
22:18.59nevcairielGnarfoz: as far as i can see, you can make it retrain on the command line
22:19.04znfOh.
22:19.20nevcairielznf: Darkmoon Top Hat
22:19.34MysticalOSnevcairiel, tell Stanzilla to stop spamming every 10 minutes.
22:20.34znfCrap.
22:20.46znf>Added in patch 6.0.1
22:20.55nevcairielwhat
22:21.04znfI was looking at the guide for darkmoon
22:21.10znfand I noticed something "new"
22:21.30nevcairielthere is some new vanity loot i think
22:21.41MysticalOSalyrazor minigame
22:21.59znfyeah
22:22.55nevcairieli've never really gotten into the fair, dont even know how you effectively collect a lot of them tokens
22:23.15Gnarfoznevcairiel: yeah, I don't have telnet enabled... I'll just reboot it
22:24.07GnarfozI think the most effective way is just to do all the quests, there isn't much room for more, iirc
22:24.12StanzillaMysticalOS: not me
22:27.49znfyeah, just do the daily quests + weekly
22:27.55znfand turn in all artifacts
22:27.58nevcairielthe dailys seem barely worht it
22:29.13znfthey add up
22:29.30nevcairieli got like 1 token from the last daily
22:30.03nevcairieland i suck at cannon
22:30.32Gnarfozmhh, same amount of internet as before
22:40.36Gnarfoz...or not
22:40.52Gnarfozgone again :D now tethered to my phone
22:41.06nevcairielsomething is definitely happening
22:41.19nevcairielor its just broken today
22:41.30GnarfozI'd say remote side firmware update, but then the line would go down, I imagine
22:41.44nevcairieldont you have a date for the change?
22:41.49Gnarfoznope, nothing, yet
22:42.31Gnarfozprobably dtag hasn't even given anyone else the green light, yet
22:44.26nevcairielguess no stupid-isle then!
22:55.54GnarfozI'm checking again, but yeah, no farming at least
22:56.14Gnarfozgotta increase the chances of going to bed not-way-too-late
22:56.20Gnarfozgoing to try and do the weekly quests, though
22:56.37nevcairielyeah i just did those too, fast enough
22:56.42Gnarfozwas trying to rename my tethering connection through powershell
22:56.48Gnarfozno bueno
22:59.04Gnarfoz50 stupid stones :\
22:59.16nevcairiel50 stones?
22:59.26nevcairieloh, that quest
22:59.40nevcairieli hate that one
22:59.45nevcairieli have like 19 from last week =p
23:00.05Gnarfozwell it's the one worth doing from a VP perspective
23:00.32nevcairieli guess, i'm caped this week tho, could always hand it in next
23:04.39nevcairielif you want to do it over mobile now, i can come with, still need loads of stuff myself
23:04.56GnarfozI'm halfway up to the Ordon plateu thing
23:05.16Gnarfoz(I'm back on regular vdsl, too)
23:05.40Gnarfozonly thing you can't do well up there is the 5 rare quest, but that doesn't give VP anyway
23:06.21Gnarfozbut I don't really want to waste my timeless coins on VP if I don't have to
23:06.43nevcairielwhat are you saving conis for?
23:06.44GnarfozI'm only at ~98k after spending them 3 times for VP cap before Wednesday raid
23:06.48Gnarfozthe mount, 100k
23:06.52nevcairielah
23:06.53Gnarfozpretty close with the rep
23:07.14FiskerGrr nevcairiel
23:07.47FiskerI tried explaining this fucker why an apple a8 is not better than even an ultrabook CPU
23:08.04FiskerBut it ate my post
23:09.29FiskerAlso there's a guy complaining you need to get level 10 in hearthstone to get all class cards:D
23:09.35FiskerWorst grind ever!
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23:13.46znfson of a Fisker
23:13.54FiskerGood
23:23.26hizurooh... qnx site are evil. unusable without javascript... does her own website meets commercial project requirements? :)
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23:27.30Repobadboy_guilded: 03funkydude * r202 BadBoy_Guilded.lua: more ads
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23:30.21znfhttp://i.imgur.com/8TnCkyY.png
23:30.23znfFUCK YEAH
23:30.24znf:D
23:32.10znfmkay, now I need to restore the data after I fucked the partitions, and do this all over :-|
23:34.49znfI find it quite interesting that BMW's "work around" for CDs not having "CD-TEXT" burned on, they have had a local database from Gracenote
23:49.26znfStanzilla,
23:49.27znfhttp://somethingnothing.net/
23:56.14Neffithat was excellent
23:57.22znfwants what drugs Neffi has

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