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01:30.58MysticalOS2funkeh, can you add these to BB? http://mysticalos.com/images/MoP/CM_BOTS.jpeg See it a TON in trade, it's not legit sails at all it's straight up bots trying to sell items over skype with false CM allure
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01:31.41MysticalOS2i don't think any real CM seller will post on level 1s in trade with skype IDs, then immediately log off :)
01:32.48znf"WTS" and "skype" in the same sentence should automatically be blocked :P
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01:41.28znfhttp://i.imgur.com/0ycyamn.png
01:41.30znfthe fuck is this
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02:11.43Funkeh``MysticalOS2, paste them on a dump site somewhere so I don't need to type the whole thing out
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06:06.43Repopitbull4: 03nebula169 07master * v4.0.0-beta49-6-gde0df32 / (4 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits]
06:06.43Repode0df32: fix module options in WoD
06:06.43Repo3c7f4a4: Aura: Might of Ursoc removed in WoD
06:06.43Repo971375b: remove some old compat code from HideBlizzard
06:06.43Repo7753e16: Revert "WoD compat with checking if modules are loadable"
06:16.41quiescensis there a way to turn off all demon hunter projectiles
06:16.45quiescensor maybe just turn off demon hunters
06:16.47quiescensnodnod
06:17.21K-9wut?
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06:39.51Repobig-wigs: 03nebula169 * r11951 BlackrockFoundry/Oregorger.lua:
06:39.51RepoOregorger: fix Retched Blackrock target, FLASH on Explosive Shard, warn for Berserk when close to third roll phase
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06:58.06Stanzillamorning
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07:06.50Fiskerhey hey Stanzilla
07:07.14Stanzillahey hey Fisker
07:07.19Fiskerhey
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07:19.18Stanzilladances with nebula169
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07:26.12quiescenso.o
07:28.38Fisker:(
07:32.13Fiskertime for fgsfds
07:33.06nevcairielagain? :(
07:34.02Fiskeryep
07:34.11FiskerI wonder Stanzilla
07:34.30Stanzillaok
07:34.50FiskerCan I setup Google Voice with a danish number without Google charging me for forwarding calls internationally? :D
07:35.24StanzillaI can't even setup gvoice from germany
07:36.53FiskerNot if you don't already have an account at least
07:38.03Stanzillayeah
07:38.48FiskerI have one from ???? years ago
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07:42.14Stanzillanebula169: care to merge to anchors btw? :)
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08:15.58quiescensgives k-9 a cookie
08:16.37nevcairielquiescens: dont feed the tin dog
08:16.46quiescens):
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08:29.02Stanzilla.
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08:32.49quiescens?
08:40.19Stanzillahttp://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/14279378639?page=1#3
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08:40.42Stanzillawonder why I didnÄt think of that earlier
08:43.24FiskerThe official one Stanzilla ?
08:43.27FiskerOr part of the rifts
08:43.42FiskerBecause the last time I was there loot seemed to work just fine in the rifts
08:47.40Repobig-wigs: 03nebula169 * r11952 BlackrockFoundry/Gruul.lua:
08:47.41RepoGrrul: fix Petrifying Slam, don't spam Overhead Smash during Destructive Rampage, add Cave In damage warning, smarter timers (hopefully)
08:48.41nevcairielhm, somehow i made 1000 gold this morning just by doing some dailys and 2 scenarios
08:49.25StanzillaFisker: normal
08:49.31Fiskerok
08:49.44nevcairielwell if you hate it so much, dont go there!
08:50.16Stanzillagoblins open a portal to it now
08:51.51FiskerIt's weird it works in rifts but not normal ones either
08:52.02FiskerYou'd think they would enable that on the entity level and not the map level
08:58.23Repobig-wigs: 03nebula169 * r11953 BlackrockFoundry/TheBlastFurnace.lua:
08:58.23RepoTheBlastFurnace: fix Volatile Fire and remove icons, change Repair in range test, misc fixes
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09:08.50Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.7-72-g575a29b .pkgmeta: [+2 commits]
09:08.50Repo575a29b: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:Adirelle/AdiButtonAuras
09:08.50Repobb61832: Tell the Wowace packager to ignore the "tests" folders of libraries.
09:12.47Adirellehow do the packager includes "local externals" ? does it use the zip or a checkout ?
09:13.54Adirelles/do the/does the/
09:14.02nevcairielcheckout
09:14.25nevcairielbut since zips are build from checkouts, what does it matter, end result should be the same :D
09:14.58Adirelleexcept you can tell it to exclude some files
09:15.23Adirellee.g. I could tell it to exclude tests and scraping scripts
09:15.35nevcairielthe lib is badly structured in the first place if those are included in every addon using it as external. :)
09:15.47nevcairielif you have such stuff, usually you would probably put the library into a subfolder
09:15.56Adirellegit
09:16.13nevcairielgit doesnt change that!
09:17.05Adirelleis the packager able to include only a subfolder of a git repo ? (because git itself does not do it, unlike svn)
09:17.07nevcairielmaybe the new packager will be s marter and process pkgmeta on the library before including it as a external
09:17.15nevcairielyes i believe the packager can do that
09:18.15AdirelleTorhal, do you know if the current packager does that ?
09:19.22Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.7-73-g05c50e4 .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] Another try.
09:20.03AdirelleCBA to create a fake new addon for Wildstar to test the new platform
09:20.18nevcairieli dont think they have repositories enabled yet anyway
09:22.03Adirellespeaking of platform, I wish we were writing open-source software at my work, so we could benefit of platform like github, travis-ci and the like
09:22.25Adirelleinstalling and maintaing our own forge and CI infrastructure is a PITA
09:22.32Adirellemaintaining*
09:24.03nevcairielnot many people are lucky enough to have such jobs
09:24.59AdirelleI'm working in a small developping team in a public research institue
09:25.49Adirelleinstitute
09:26.43Adirellethe core code is generally closed source (research results), but we are using a lot of OSS beside
09:27.18Adirellei'd like our general-purpose modules could be open-sourced
09:29.15Adirellethere is more teamwork and collaboration on my wow addons and libraries using github than our profesionnal modules :|
09:30.52Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.7-74-gbec6ce3 .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] Still testing with the packager.
09:33.52XuerianA lot more [frustrated or inspired author-capable users] too :p
09:37.39Adirelleright, we could use some services offered to OSS projects, and *also* have feedback from other people
09:38.37Adirelleok, so that's not how this works: Error occurred in thread Checkout <Remote GitRepository: https://github.com/Adirelle/LibItemBuffs-1.0.git/tests>
09:39.21nevcairielmaybe it no worky for external repositories
09:40.03Adirelleso either there is a secret "subpath" parameter for externals in .pkgmeta, or the packager does not do more work than the SCM subsystem does
09:41.14Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.7-75-g91b2d33 .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] Last try.
09:45.46Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.7-72-g575a29b /: [forced -3 +0] Merge branch 'master' of github.com:Adirelle/AdiButtonAuras
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10:01.52quiescensmoo/
10:06.57nevcairieli feel like my Quester addon should do something else, but i dont know what!
10:07.17Stanzillapony background for the quest tracker
10:07.27nevcairielyou would like that, wouldnt you
10:07.40Stanzillano :3
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10:26.15Funkeh```Z
10:26.30quiescensgives funkeh an extra `
10:27.24Funkeh```blame freenode DC's
10:28.20quiescens):
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10:50.26Repobig-wigs: 03nebula169 * r11954  (10 files in 2 directories):
10:50.26RepoOregorger: berserk message on Earthshaking Stomp, make Explosive Shard melee only and add another option to countdown the explosion
10:58.21Repobig-wigs: 03funkydude * r11955 Plugins/Proximity.lua:
10:58.21RepoProximity: Fix support for party so it works with LittleWigs again.
11:04.52Repobig-wigs: 03nebula169 * r11956 BlackrockFoundry/Thogar.lua:
11:04.53RepoThogar: shorten Prototype Pulse Grenade to Grenade, mythic train data plumbing
11:20.42Repobig-wigs: 03nebula169 * r11957 Loader.lua: Loader: GetAddOnInfo takes names again!
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13:04.25FiskerIt has been several years nevcairiel
13:04.30Fiskereven several millenia
13:04.56Stanzillaquestions nebula169
13:08.20nevcairielSince?
13:09.44FiskerSince they released the first build of star citizen nevcairiel
13:10.34nevcairielOh I see
13:12.53FiskerIt would be nice if they didn't change desktop gamma each time I tried to run it
13:12.59FiskerI might actually try to play some of the stuff
13:28.06Fiskerhey Parnic
13:29.48Adirellefinally found a japanese restaurant whose menu isn't restricted to sushis
13:30.38FiskerWhat else do they eat?
13:31.01nevcairielOther forms of fish
13:31.08Fiskerwhy eat fish?
13:31.22nevcairielBecause its an island
13:31.48FiskerThis is an island as well
13:33.38Adirellewell, actually I ate ramen (pastas with pig meat, bamboo and pig and chicken broth) and gyozas (raviovi with pigs)
13:35.35Adirelleplus kidney bean and black sesame flavored ice cream for dessert
13:35.49Fiskerplease instant noodles/ramen
13:35.55Fiskeralso why would you do that Adirelle
13:37.52Adirellebecause I like eating foreign cuisine (as well as french one, actually)
13:38.11Adirelles/ foreign cuisine (as well as french one, actually)//
13:39.08FiskerI don't have much of a preference to what country my food isn't from
13:40.31Adirellewe (my wife and I) has a hard time finding a traditional british restaurant in London (not that we expected to find one, though) :-p
13:40.41Adirelles/had/has/
13:43.21Stanzillawhat is traditional british
13:43.23Stanzillahaggis?
13:43.31Stanzillabaked beans? black pudding!
13:44.36Fiskerno Stanzilla
13:44.41Fiskerbaked beans, sausages and spam
13:47.11StanzillaFisker
13:47.15StanzillaDinnerbone is ignoring me :(
13:47.16FiskerStanzilla
13:47.23nevcairielwhats a dinnerbone
13:47.28FiskerWell are you being a dumbass Stanzilla ?
13:48.08Stanzillano
13:48.33FiskerWell maybe you are
13:48.42FiskerWhat do you want to talk to him about?
13:49.03Adirellea dinnerbone is a minecraft developper
13:50.27Adirelletechnically, that's a proper noun, like a nevcairiel or a fisker
13:52.16nevcairieli want to boost my deathknight to 90, but i've been thinking it may be fun to wait until the expansion and get to see the introduction experience they build for that
13:52.52nevcairielmust be patient
13:54.57quiescensgo to sleep~
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21:54.15sylvanaar_Gnarfoz: i didn't do 3 years of taxes like that - but they owed me money - so it was cool in the end. I hope you don't owe money
21:54.28GnarfozI'm not in the US
21:55.12sylvanaar_where are you
21:55.18GnarfozGermany
21:55.25Gnarfoz(or rather, my financial situation is so simple, it's impossible for me to be owing taxes)
21:55.49sylvanaar_I hope it is like the US and no penalty for filing late unless you owe
21:55.50nevcairielits also perfectly legal what he did, as long as he gets his stuff done at some point soon
21:56.36sylvanaar_I hate taxes. What are they like in Germany
21:56.48Gnarfoztaxes are annoying anywhere, I imagine
21:57.00sylvanaar_I imagine German taxes to be high
21:57.12nevcairieldepends what you consider high
21:57.15sylvanaar_because of the social welfare system
21:57.21sylvanaar_50% +
21:57.25Gnarfozthey are, compared to the US
21:57.35Gnarfoz(or even Ireland, for example)
21:58.04nevcairielits usually around 40-50% or so, but that includes health care, which in the US you have to account for separately to get a fair comparison
21:58.10sylvanaar_Yes
21:58.18sylvanaar_Sounds about right
21:58.43nevcairiel(and not only healthcare, also pension)
21:59.01nevcairielalthough how much that will be once we get to that age, noone knows!
21:59.10sylvanaar_Yeah, how old do you have to be to claim it
21:59.20Gnarfoz65 currently for men, I think
21:59.33sylvanaar_And how much does it pay
21:59.35nevcairielyou can claim earlier, but you get much less money then
21:59.38Gnarfoz(and it's being scaled to accord for inflation, at least that's hte idea)
21:59.53nevcairielhow much it pays depends on a bunch of factors
21:59.58nevcairielhow long you paid, how much you paid
22:00.09Gnarfozearn more, get more \o/
22:00.11sylvanaar_The US has a pension too, though I Imagine it isn't as good
22:00.33sylvanaar_Well. Something similar
22:01.35Gnarfozbut there's also pension plans (? that's probably a horribly inaccurate term) that are much better deals than just saving up money
22:02.11Gnarfoz(which reduce tax you owe - at least that's how I think it works ;D)
22:02.48nevcairieli pay minimal amount into the gov's pension fund now, i've been meaning to get some money into some other sort of pension plan dealy (or rather, infom myself about options and set it up), but it all got jumbled up when i wasn't home for a quarter year or so :p
22:03.01GnarfozI hate money beyond having it, so much hassle
22:03.51tlunddoes anyone know where the curse client saves the username/password and other stuff? reinstalled friends computer (on new disk) and he cant remember his username, and we can't find any emails either :)
22:04.10nevcairielthe bad thing is, I don't even know who to ask about investment plans for the future, everyone has usually their own agenda to sell you something specific <.<
22:04.24Gnarfoztlund: same username as for www.curse.com
22:04.36tlundGnarfoz: yeah, that doesn't really help :(
22:04.43nevcairielcant you request password on the website
22:04.45Gnarfozwhy not? they have a password recovery feature, I imagine
22:05.02Gnarfozah, he can't remember his username
22:05.04GnarfozI read password
22:05.13tlundyeah
22:05.13sylvanaar_tlund: its in an obscure subfolder in /Users/<user>/AppData/ that is for ClickOnce apps
22:05.26tlundsylvanaar_: ill have a look :)
22:05.27nevcairielthey dont have a username, they login with the email
22:05.31nevcairielhow many emails can one person have
22:05.43sylvanaar_anyways, its not stored in cleartext
22:05.50nevcairielie. http://www.curse.com/recover-account wants your account mail
22:06.22Gnarfozhuh, curse had plain old username/password for the longest time
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22:06.39Gnarfozmaybe I'm not paying attention properly, nevermind me :p
22:06.42nevcairiellogin form says "email address" and "password" for me now
22:07.01sylvanaarI remember, but I opened tickets for it, i thought they fixed it
22:07.16sylvanaaroh, meh me too
22:07.26Gnarfozworks fine with my username+password
22:07.44nevcairieli guess
22:07.55nevcairielbut also with email+password!
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22:11.39Gnarfozhm, chat edit box full of wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
22:11.52nevcairieland char not moving?
22:11.56sylvanaarcat?
22:12.00Gnarfozno, this here, IRC
22:12.11nevcairielwwwwwwww is usually a sign for trying to walk forwards while chatting
22:12.12nevcairiel:D
22:12.20Gnarfozmy suspicion that I might need one of the Cherry MX variants with a little bit more activation force might not be too far off
22:12.31GnarfozI'm just resting my hand on the keyboard ^^
22:12.32nevcairielwhich color would that be
22:12.37sylvanaarOh, I had that problem with one of my tactile keybords
22:12.40Gnarfozgreen perhaps
22:12.47Gnarfozor black if not tactile
22:12.50sylvanaarIt went back because of that
22:13.09nevcairieli have brown right now on this very keyboard, and i dont really notice any problems
22:13.27sylvanaarYou could press the key, and without clicking it would engage
22:13.35tlundnevcairiel: Well, I use one unique for each website i ever register on - but I do keep track of them :)
22:13.35tlundah! email found, password reset, all good :)
22:13.44Gnarfozbrown are even easier to press than blue
22:14.00Stanzillaall I press is brown
22:14.01Stanzillabadum-ts
22:14.29nevcairielbrown has a tactile pressur point though, which means you need a bit extra force to get over it..
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22:15.11nevcairieli dunno, they don't seem to press very light
22:15.38Gnarfozless than blue, though
22:15.52Gnarfoz(and the tactile point is less pronounced than w/ blue, too)
22:16.03Gnarfozdoesn't matter, I'm just a fat bastard with heavy hands :p
22:16.04nevcairielits also not as clicky as blue
22:16.11nevcairieli like brown
22:16.20Gnarfozit's simply not clicky
22:16.31nevcairielalthough this particular  keyboard isnt that great in general
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22:19.24Stanzillahttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10698458_771898412848526_823846277158622057_n.jpg?oh=1bcacd858c9a16a3cf7079e3f38d39c0&oe=548853ED&__gda__=1422927478_420403c459c60c6cabd5973cb9c881b0
22:19.34nevcairielbut i really shouldnt spend another €150 on a new keyboard, my shopping list for the next 2-3 month is already coming close to €3000 :p
22:19.52sylvanaarWhat kind is on the G710+
22:19.55sylvanaarBrown?
22:20.25nevcairielyes
22:20.33Stanzillapic was for teh germanz
22:20.37sylvanaarYes, I like brown
22:20.51sylvanaarI had black, I didn't like
22:21.09Gnarfozblacks are not tactile though
22:21.14sylvanaarhrm
22:21.17Gnarfozif that's the same keyboard you were talking about
22:21.31sylvanaarWell, I had some blackwidow keyboard
22:21.32Gnarfoz(but they should be heavy to press)
22:21.47sylvanaarI forgot the exact name
22:22.19Gnarfozapparently 8 keyboards of that name available now
22:22.20Gnarfoz:D
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22:22.45nevcairielStanzilla: did they get hacked or are they serious
22:22.52Stanzillahacked I guess
22:22.53Gnarfozalthough probably only "really" 4, since half of them are simply "Stealth" version of the other ones
22:22.55*** join/#wowace dubf_ (~quassel@ti0272a430-1058.bb.online.no)
22:22.55Stanzillawould be a shame otherwise
22:22.57nevcairieli never know with them
22:23.02sylvanaarOh, I had BLUE
22:23.04Gnarfozand gah, it was Razer who did their own switches now
22:23.15nevcairielblue is the true old-school switch
22:23.19Gnarfozso... good luck figuring out what was really in there
22:23.25Stanzillahttps://twitter.com/afd_hessen
22:23.26Stanzillarofl
22:23.28sylvanaarIt said blue - IDK
22:23.28Stanzillalooksl ike hack
22:23.33sylvanaarI googled
22:23.48Gnarfozyeah, perhaps that was before they went with their own stuff
22:23.56sylvanaarBut they would actuate without clicking - that was what sucked
22:23.58Gnarfozthen you'd have had the same switches as my keyboard
22:24.12sylvanaarJust from my heavy fingers
22:24.22Gnarfozmine certainly click, but not all of them equally loudly
22:24.31Gnarfozwhich is annoying
22:24.37sylvanaarYes, and they were loud as fuck
22:24.52GnarfozI read that some keyboard makers pay more attention to that in quality control and make sure all are equal
22:24.58Gnarfoz(like Ducky, for example)
22:25.04sylvanaarBut - my logitech with browns is just fine
22:25.07nevcairielthe noise level can also greatly depend on the keyboard, my daskeyboard with brown switches is much louder than this model  with brown as w ell, guess they my have added a damper or something
22:25.09sylvanaarso I am happy
22:25.17Gnarfozwell, don't confuse the noise from bottoming out the key with the sound from the clicky switch
22:25.41nevcairielalthough brown is pretty quiet as it is, the switch part anyway
22:26.11nevcairieli should probably also get such a tester thingy
22:26.21nevcairielor i'll never know!
22:26.32Gnarfoz:D
22:26.34sylvanaarYou mean a sound meter?
22:26.39nevcairielno
22:26.43Gnarfozno, one of these:
22:26.49Gnarfozhttp://www.qwer.io/shop/switch-testers/qwer8-v2-mx-switch-testing-kit/
22:26.53sylvanaarAH
22:26.53Gnarfoz(or similar)
22:27.15Gnarfozthere's ones with just the 4 most popular types, and they're not as expensive (more like 9.99$)
22:27.16sylvanaarThats cute
22:27.34Gnarfoz(those being blue/brown/red/black - or maybe green instead of one of the others)
22:27.51nevcairieli dont remember seeing green on keyboards much
22:28.00nevcairielthe ones you listed seem the most c ommon right now
22:28.07Gnarfozyeah
22:28.22Gnarfozmany keyboards with blue switches tend to have 1 green one for the space bar
22:28.26sylvanaarBTW if anyone is looking for a blizcon ticket - I may need to unload mine (or if you know someone)
22:28.39GnarfozI read "upload" for a moment, and was confused
22:28.43nevcairieli thought they arent transferable
22:28.52sylvanaarReally?
22:28.59sylvanaarWell. Then, that solves that
22:29.13Gnarfozthey have to be, people regularly buy as many as are allowed per person and then distribute them :p
22:29.37nevcairielwell, there is a certain phase where you can just order 4 and fill in the 3 other names of the people later
22:29.38Gnarfozthey do have your name on them, though
22:29.48Gnarfozyeah, that
22:29.50sylvanaarnow mine does, yeah
22:30.22nevcairielits more for the ddos storm during the pre-order phase, whoever gets in orders 4, sorts out who gets one later
22:30.28nevcairielnot sure you can change the name much later
22:30.30sylvanaarOh well. I can still go - but it is just overlapping with something else I have going on
22:30.32nevcairielbut maybe check first
22:31.04nevcairielthey usually didnt want ebaying of such things, so i would expect them to be bound
22:31.54sylvanaarBut - I live in LA, so, it's not that big of a deal to sneak away for a day or two
22:32.52sylvanaarSo hard to plan ahead for this kind of stuff sometimes
22:33.26sylvanaarAny of you going?
22:34.20nevcairieli already spent more days in the US this year than was good for me
22:34.28sylvanaarLOL me too
22:34.43nevcairielwell you live there!
22:34.51sylvanaarYes, that was the joke
22:35.21sylvanaarI wish I had been able to attend back i 2009-2010 when we were all more active
22:36.09sylvanaaror 2006-2010
22:36.14sylvanaarlol
22:37.05sylvanaarI skipped MOP, so I am so out of the loop I feel like
22:38.48sylvanaarAnd the new job and relationship = no time for wow really
22:38.55sylvanaarI am sure some of you can relate
22:39.09StanzillaI cannot relate to relationships
22:39.24nevcairieli skipped half of cataclysm and most of mop, been doing a bit of catch up ingame the last few months, and still hoping i find some nice place to play in WoD again a bit more regularly
22:39.45sylvanaarI was single for 10 years. I was bad at relationships.
22:39.52sylvanaarOnly relationship I had was to WoW
22:39.55sylvanaarLOL
22:40.48sylvanaarI guess we have grown apart - and its tough to rekindle the old flames!
22:41.24sylvanaarAs an aside, who is getting Shadows of Mordor?
22:42.00sylvanaarI have been watching videos about it all day - looks so cool - nemesis engine
22:42.11nevcairielfor me it was the death of my guild that got me away from WoW for a while, and after I didn't find a new group that I really connected with, so the break got a bit longer, but i still love the game

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