| 00:06.14 | znf | Stanzilla, http://www.reddit.com/r/WowUI/comments/2c6npq/helpweakauras_want_to_show_current_position_in/ |
| 00:14.46 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 00:17.54 | znf | nevermind |
| 00:17.55 | znf | I did it :P |
| 00:20.29 | sb | how? |
| 00:21.07 | znf | local name = select(1, UnitAura("player", "Queued for Brawl")); |
| 00:21.12 | znf | local inline = select(3, WeakAuras.GetAuraTooltipInfo("player", name, nil)) |
| 00:21.16 | znf | return inline |
| 00:22.30 | znf | will only work for english client, obviously :P |
| 00:25.27 | Neffi | > select(1 |
| 00:25.35 | Neffi | that's kind of redundant |
| 00:27.40 | znf | http://www.reddit.com/r/WowUI/comments/2c6npq/helpweakauras_want_to_show_current_position_in/cjcjeir |
| 00:28.51 | Torhal | Neffi: It's "kind of redundant"? More like "totally criminal and you should be flogged." |
| 00:29.19 | Neffi | returning the same thing after the if-block incase the else doesn't get run? |
| 00:30.45 | znf | I never said I'm a good coder, or a coder at all! |
| 00:31.07 | Neffi | hah |
| 00:31.10 | Torhal | znf: local name = UnitAura("player", GetSpellInfo(132639)) |
| 00:31.16 | Torhal | There - multilingual. |
| 00:31.34 | znf | too lazy, I disregard localized staff |
| 00:31.35 | znf | stuff |
| 00:33.46 | Stanzilla | 02:31:33 â znf: too lazy, I disregard localized staff < nazi |
| 00:34.09 | znf | says the german |
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| 00:46.41 | Stanzilla | = ) |
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| 01:12.50 | Funkeh` | local name = UnitAura("player", (GetSpellInfo(132639))) Unless you want to pass all the GetSpellInfo returns to UnitAura which I doubt |
| 01:14.13 | sylvanaar | it's a good catch in case UnitAura ever takes a 3rd+ param |
| 01:15.00 | Funkeh` | I thought it already did |
| 01:15.27 | Neffi | I believe it does; filter |
| 01:15.56 | Neffi | sorry, of the "name" form, rank then filter |
| 01:22.27 | sylvanaar | is there an api bot in the channel anymore |
| 01:22.49 | sylvanaar | (not that it's needed now) |
| 01:23.15 | sylvanaar | !api unitaura |
| 01:23.15 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'unitaura': GameTooltip:SetUnitAura, UnitAura |
| 01:23.36 | Neffi | ~api unitaura |
| 01:23.39 | purl | !api unitaura |
| 01:23.40 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'unitaura': GameTooltip:SetUnitAura, UnitAura |
| 01:23.48 | sylvanaar | that is a worthless answer |
| 01:23.59 | Neffi | I thought purl did proper API info. Guess not |
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| 01:24.10 | sylvanaar | ~api "UnitAura" |
| 01:24.10 | purl | !api "UnitAura" |
| 01:24.11 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for '"UnitAura"'. |
| 01:24.20 | sylvanaar | purl, you can eat me |
| 01:24.55 | sylvanaar | !api UnitAura |
| 01:24.55 | lua_bot | UnitAura: Returns information about buffs/debuffs on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura) |
| 01:25.18 | sylvanaar | case-sensitivity ftw |
| 01:26.39 | sylvanaar | so ironically, 2 of the return parameters are an API match but not 3 |
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| 01:28.14 | sylvanaar | so you might want select(2, GetSpellInfo(x)) idk. |
| 01:41.47 | znf | what have I started? :D |
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| 04:06.33 | Stanzilla | james |
| 04:08.03 | quiescens | bond? |
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| 05:34.18 | Stanzilla | wow http://hhvm.com/blog/5723 |
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| 06:18.32 | nevcairiel | Documenting how shitty php is doesn't make it any better |
| 06:18.58 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 07:46.20 | wink | Happy birthday, sb! |
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| 08:31.56 | Workfoz | 'lo |
| 08:32.48 | nevcairiel | its the Workfoz |
| 08:32.50 | nevcairiel | back at Workfoz |
| 08:32.53 | nevcairiel | -foz |
| 08:33.13 | nevcairiel | did you sacrifice to the rhel god yet |
| 08:36.05 | Workfoz | yes, I did |
| 08:36.14 | Workfoz | I sacrificed the RHEL7 VM itself |
| 08:36.22 | Workfoz | and just cloned our RHEL6 template |
| 08:36.47 | Workfoz | I'll prepare a proper RHEL7 one some other day, no time to deal with all that systemd fallout |
| 08:37.33 | Workfoz | (not to mention that the GitLab RPM I was intending to use is for RHEL6, and it simply does not work on 7) |
| 08:41.28 | sb | ty wink |
| 08:41.48 | sb | i think i should get up and find me something to eat :O |
| 08:42.38 | wink | hehe |
| 08:42.47 | wink | Gulaschsuppe - breakfast of champions! |
| 08:44.43 | nevcairiel | for breakfast? idontknow |
| 08:50.15 | Workfoz | sb: you chose the perfect day |
| 08:50.20 | Workfoz | well, you didn't choose it, but |
| 08:50.32 | Workfoz | "Schnitzelauflauf mit SahnesoÃe und Emmentaler gratiniert dazu Kroketten und Blattsalat" - legendary |
| 08:51.11 | nevcairiel | now i'm hungry |
| 08:53.43 | sb | "Hähnchenkeule mit feinem Gemüse und Kartoffelpürree " no :( |
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| 08:54.21 | Fisker | hi nevcairiel |
| 08:58.14 | Workfoz | Stanzilla: how big is your wod install? |
| 08:58.43 | Timmeh | sb: oh it be your birthday? |
| 08:58.48 | Timmeh | sb: happy birthday! |
| 08:59.05 | sb | Workfoz: 30gb here |
| 08:59.08 | nevcairiel | 30,4 GB (32.642.851.379 bytes) |
| 08:59.10 | Timmeh | Workfoz: comparing sizes now, are we? |
| 08:59.11 | sb | thanks Timmeh |
| 08:59.14 | Timmeh | Workfoz: SIZE DOESN'T MATTER! |
| 08:59.19 | nevcairiel | happy birthday sb! |
| 08:59.26 | Workfoz | size matters, it's filling up my ssd ~~ |
| 08:59.42 | nevcairiel | move it to spinny-drivy |
| 08:59.56 | Workfoz | I'll probably have to, yeah |
| 09:00.06 | sb | thats why i want a 850 512gb |
| 09:00.17 | sb | ty nev |
| 09:00.29 | Workfoz | 34.5 GiB |
| 09:00.33 | Workfoz | mine is bigger! |
| 09:00.35 | Workfoz | why :| |
| 09:00.43 | sb | 4gb screenshots? |
| 09:00.47 | sb | or crash dumps |
| 09:00.51 | Timmeh | "mine is bigger! why :|" - *foz, 2014 |
| 09:00.52 | nevcairiel | i didnt play much at all, so my cache folders are nearly empty |
| 09:00.57 | nevcairiel | although doubtful thats 4gb |
| 09:01.09 | Workfoz | 2 MiB crash dumps and 9 screenshots |
| 09:01.39 | nevcairiel | so is that extra space in the Data folder? |
| 09:01.44 | Workfoz | yep |
| 09:01.46 | Workfoz | all in there |
| 09:01.55 | nevcairiel | shrug |
| 09:02.06 | Workfoz | Data\data is 34.4 GIB |
| 09:02.12 | Workfoz | rest is peanuts |
| 09:02.23 | Workfoz | I guess I could just reinstall it |
| 09:02.24 | Workfoz | haha |
| 09:02.29 | sb | 29.5 |
| 09:07.33 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: zirkel is getting connected soon |
| 09:07.47 | nevcairiel | with Todeswache |
| 09:08.59 | Repo | librangecheck-2-0: 03mitch0 07WoD * r142 : starting WoD branch |
| 09:15.05 | Funkeh` | german names ftw |
| 09:15.35 | nevcairiel | obviously |
| 09:16.28 | nevcairiel | i could say cenarion circle is getting connected to deathwatch, but then Stanzilla wouldn't know what i was talking about, since thats not the names of the realms! |
| 09:16.53 | sb | nom nom, schinkenhoernchen |
| 09:17.26 | sb | nevcairiel: huh, zirkel is doch schon relativ gross!? |
| 09:17.56 | nevcairiel | dont ask me, its in the list of upcoming connections; http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/292512-connected-realms-update-31-07/ |
| 09:18.16 | Timmeh | *prays my realm is in there* |
| 09:18.26 | Timmeh | and no, it's not |
| 09:18.26 | Timmeh | :-( |
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| 09:18.33 | nevcairiel | which one is that |
| 09:18.52 | Timmeh | Vek'nilash (a.k.a. the realm that's deader than the emperor) |
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| 09:19.04 | Timmeh | well, that's untrue for horde side, I guess |
| 09:19.09 | Timmeh | <- alliance |
| 09:19.31 | nevcairiel | then you're screwed |
| 09:19.40 | nevcairiel | they dont want to change faction balance with the merges |
| 09:19.48 | Timmeh | they don |
| 09:19.49 | Timmeh | 't? |
| 09:19.56 | nevcairiel | no |
| 09:19.56 | Timmeh | I figured merging with a realm with a dead horde side would make sense |
| 09:20.21 | nevcairiel | they specifically said that was not a goal, since many people like playing on a realm with a dominant faction |
| 09:20.29 | Timmeh | right |
| 09:21.15 | Timmeh | we have a grand total of 1 guild that's killd 14/14H |
| 09:21.18 | Timmeh | (horde one, obv) |
| 09:21.23 | Timmeh | then 2 horde guilds on 13/14H |
| 09:21.31 | Timmeh | and the first alliance guild is 11/14H |
| 09:21.35 | nevcairiel | you'll probably get connected to something at some point |
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| 09:22.08 | Repo | change GetSpellInfo usage (powerCost, isFunnel and powerType returns removed) |
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| 09:22.57 | Timmeh | well |
| 09:23.08 | Timmeh | since we're a pretty small alliance side |
| 09:23.13 | Timmeh | we're a pretty good community |
| 09:23.23 | Timmeh | and all alliance guilds know eachother, talk, etc. |
| 09:23.35 | Timmeh | and we're all together in the same boat |
| 09:24.08 | Timmeh | we're waiting for a realm link, and if it doesn't come, we'll have to merge guilds / raid teams, and we'll end up with like 2 raiding teams alliance side toatl |
| 09:24.11 | Timmeh | total* |
| 09:24.32 | Semlar | it might be time to abandon ship |
| 09:24.45 | Timmeh | yup, that'd be the probably outcome |
| 09:26.36 | quiescens | moo |
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| 09:29.54 | Timmeh | over the past 2 expansions we've had guilds transfer to our realm, just to take realm first raid achievements |
| 09:30.02 | Timmeh | then transfer back off when they get too bored |
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| 09:49.11 | Funkeh` | I really wonder when they are planning this launch with all these "not going to make it" announcements already |
| 09:49.18 | Funkeh` | quite depressing |
| 09:53.15 | nevcairiel | The last post I read was like we were planning to do it later but thought it was stupid so now we're scrambling to get it done for release |
| 10:02.02 | chiel | they should just delay the release |
| 10:02.21 | Timmeh | oh my god |
| 10:02.23 | Timmeh | chiel is alive |
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| 10:18.52 | sb | is this a good thing? |
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| 10:23.56 | quiescens | shrug |
| 10:24.11 | Workfoz | Funkeh`: same question for me ^^ |
| 10:28.55 | nevcairiel | i'm really trying to remember tho, but what features did they excplitly say "not going to make it" to? |
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| 10:34.38 | nevcairiel | people always try to pin that onto the max-level quest areas in tanaan, but that apparently was never planned |
| 10:35.41 | nevcairiel | i guess the blood elf thing is one, but to me it was never 100% clear if the BC races were included in their previous claims, but oh well |
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| 10:44.39 | Workfoz | they did indeed say that BC races were going to be in for release (and the art guy re-stated that just now) |
| 10:45.30 | Workfoz | the Tanaan thing I'm on the same page as you: they never explicitly said that was going to be in for release (but what else would you assume when they announce it with all the rest?) |
| 10:46.26 | Workfoz | lastly, faction hubs not being Black Temple + whatever the other one would have been, which they highlighted as awesome places (and their role as faction capitals) at BlizzCon |
| 10:46.29 | nevcairiel | the art guy did however say they initially thought about pushing faces to a content patch, but they are doing them now for release, i can live with sacrificing belfs for that |
| 10:47.44 | nevcairiel | i'm not entirely convinced the faction hub thing was 100% done to save work |
| 10:47.56 | nevcairiel | those places still are going to be built and present in the world |
| 10:49.30 | nevcairiel | although the new location on an island off the coast is a bit weird, but they are pushing garrisons as your personal capital now, we'll see how that works out |
| 10:50.03 | Workfoz | you think they're going to outfit the whole temple of karabor for something *other* than a faction capital? |
| 10:50.19 | Workfoz | that seems like a lot of wasted time for little use |
| 10:50.47 | nevcairiel | maybe not in as full detail as they may have, but iirc they did say its still going to be there and used as a big hub |
| 10:50.49 | Workfoz | re: faces: who in their right mind would assume (or accept) that they'd ship without a feature (face choices) they've had for 10 years? :D |
| 10:51.04 | nevcairiel | just saying what the art guy said! |
| 10:51.28 | Workfoz | just saying... there's several reasons to have a "wtf are they doing?" feeling |
| 10:51.35 | Workfoz | now, time for Schnitzelauflauf |
| 10:51.40 | nevcairiel | re faction hubs, the temples in mop seemed kinda cheap, compared to dalaran for example |
| 10:52.01 | Workfoz | if I don't make it back, I've fallen victim to food coma |
| 10:52.10 | nevcairiel | although shattrath was also kinda crappy |
| 10:52.53 | Workfoz | heh, now WoD is just 25 GiB |
| 10:53.13 | Workfoz | saved 9 GiB by just reinstalling it |
| 10:53.14 | Workfoz | weird |
| 10:53.23 | nevcairiel | update process may not be all that optimized yet |
| 10:53.38 | nevcairiel | or just buggy |
| 10:53.46 | Timmeh | it's ok |
| 10:53.48 | Timmeh | just reinstall daily |
| 10:53.50 | Timmeh | you'll be fine |
| 10:53.53 | Workfoz | n p |
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| 11:05.46 | quiescens | you should have kept track of what files were different |
| 11:08.05 | sb | yay,killed my keyboard |
| 11:08.08 | sb | space key... |
| 11:10.07 | sb | wtb corsairrbg |
| 11:10.11 | sb | rgb even |
| 11:13.29 | sb | so K95orK70? |
| 11:13.40 | sb | http://www.anandtech.com/show/8097/corsair-launches-k70-and-k95-cherry-mx-rgb-keyboards-m65-rgb-mouse |
| 11:14.17 | nevcairiel | that depends if you want the macro keys |
| 11:14.47 | sb | yup, i know, notsure ifiwill usethem |
| 11:15.56 | nevcairiel | i only ever used like 2 or 3 keys, mostly something remapped for PTT, so i dont have to waste ctrl for that :p |
| 11:16.37 | nevcairiel | one row of keys would be good for me |
| 11:17.40 | sb | so K70, but its notavailableyet |
| 11:18.03 | sb | switches... bah, decisions |
| 11:18.14 | sb | red or... whaever the other good ones are |
| 11:19.11 | sb | black? |
| 11:19.29 | sb | or brown |
| 11:20.15 | nevcairiel | dont think they haev black |
| 11:20.20 | nevcairiel | only brown, blue and red |
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| 11:20.27 | nevcairiel | (for the K70) |
| 11:20.38 | sb | still, 1 outr of 3:D |
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| 11:21.29 | nevcairiel | i like red |
| 11:22.48 | sb | i have red inmycurrent keyboard- but why not trying something new...:D |
| 11:22.56 | nevcairiel | blue is the most "clicky", brown is a bit of a middle ground, and red is more "smooth" |
| 11:23.06 | sb | so brown or red |
| 11:25.00 | Timmeh | the red ones have no specific pressure point |
| 11:25.09 | Timmeh | you don't "feel" the click |
| 11:25.34 | Timmeh | the blue ones have a little "bump" after which a part of the switch pushes down to base |
| 11:25.46 | Timmeh | making for a louder "click" |
| 11:26.25 | Timmeh | the brown ones have the "bump" as well, but generally don't push down to base (unless you really mash them) |
| 11:26.30 | Timmeh | so only the tactile feel |
| 11:26.32 | Timmeh | but not the sound |
| 11:26.59 | Timmeh | I think there are GIFs of how they work on the interwebs |
| 11:27.28 | nevcairiel | http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mechanical-keyboard-razer-logitech-gigabyte,3505-2.html |
| 11:28.00 | Timmeh | I have the Razer Blackwindow Ultimate Stealth, which is their mechanical keyboards with Cherry MX Browns |
| 11:28.22 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: 'xactly that |
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| 11:29.10 | sb | i know that gifs |
| 11:29.15 | sb | but doesnt help´me:D |
| 11:29.22 | Timmeh | well, ^ my description |
| 11:29.23 | Timmeh | up there :-P |
| 11:29.26 | sb | yup |
| 11:29.34 | sb | so i think i will go brown |
| 11:29.53 | Timmeh | I like the browns personally, but yea |
| 11:30.21 | Timmeh | I'd say go to a MediaMarkt and try some of the keyboards (probably look up beforehand (or in the store) which switches they use, so you know what you're testing) |
| 11:30.48 | Timmeh | that's what I did, and I ended up at Cherry MX Brows |
| 11:30.51 | Timmeh | Browns! |
| 11:32.48 | sb | not suiire if they have any cherry keyboards |
| 11:33.01 | Timmeh | I have no idea whether the switches Razer developed themselves are any good |
| 11:33.15 | Timmeh | maybe they're even made by Cherry? |
| 11:35.28 | quiescens | i blame timmeh |
| 11:35.45 | Timmeh | :-( |
| 11:36.11 | nebula169 | i thought razer used cherry mx blue switches in everything? |
| 11:36.32 | Timmeh | they used to |
| 11:36.47 | Timmeh | then they made the Stealth version of the Blackwidow (which I got) |
| 11:36.49 | Timmeh | with Browns |
| 11:36.52 | nebula169 | ah |
| 11:36.56 | Timmeh | and now they made their own switches |
| 11:37.01 | Timmeh | I just found this: http://www.razerzone.com/razer-mechanical-switches/ |
| 11:37.06 | Timmeh | scroll down towards the bottom |
| 11:37.17 | Timmeh | their Green Switch seems very Cherry MX Blue like |
| 11:37.23 | Timmeh | and their Orange one very Cherry MX Brown like |
| 11:37.36 | sb | http://www.neowin.net/news/razer-rolls-out-their-own-cherry-mx-switch-clones-for-mechanical-keyboards |
| 11:39.40 | nebula169 | looks like blue->green brown->orange |
| 11:39.47 | Timmeh | yes that's what I said :-P |
| 11:40.13 | Timmeh | just slightly different distances to push |
| 11:40.45 | Timmeh | force required and obviously "with optimized tactile feel", whatever that means :-D |
| 11:41.14 | nebula169 | sorry, i'm distracted so wasn't really reading irc before commenting, lol |
| 11:41.20 | Timmeh | np :-P |
| 11:41.30 | sb | so, its goin gto be expensive soon |
| 11:41.46 | sb | moto 360, samsung 850 512gb, corsair k70 rgb :| |
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| 11:55.40 | Workfoz | Timmeh: the "click" in the MX blues is not from bottoming out, they have a dedicated "click" element |
| 11:56.09 | Timmeh | yes |
| 11:56.13 | Timmeh | that's what I meant |
| 11:56.19 | Timmeh | eh |
| 11:56.21 | Timmeh | no htat's not what I meant |
| 11:56.27 | Timmeh | hah |
| 11:56.38 | Timmeh | it's the "sliding piece" that bottoms out by default |
| 11:56.40 | Timmeh | as in |
| 11:56.42 | Timmeh | it just snaps down |
| 11:56.47 | Timmeh | after you go past the activation point |
| 11:57.02 | Timmeh | well, actually not sure if that's to the bottom, but it clicks nonetheless |
| 11:57.07 | Timmeh | because of snapping down |
| 11:57.17 | Timmeh | which you can see on the GIFs anyway |
| 11:57.22 | Workfoz | the noise is not made by the keycap hitting the bottom |
| 11:57.25 | Workfoz | is what I'm saying ^^ |
| 11:58.00 | Timmeh | right |
| 11:58.53 | Workfoz | I should test-drive some keyboards again |
| 11:58.58 | Workfoz | or maybe just clean my current one :D |
| 12:00.36 | Workfoz | my Das Keyboard 2 has MX blues, not ideal for gaming :\ |
| 12:02.22 | nebula169 | i used black switches for the longest time then switched to brown |
| 12:03.13 | nebula169 | blue are nice for typing, but spamming a key with them is kind of annoying |
| 12:04.28 | nevcairiel | yeah blue arent good if you want to game as well |
| 12:05.19 | Workfoz | exactly |
| 12:05.23 | wink | bullshit :P |
| 12:05.32 | Workfoz | not bullshit at all |
| 12:05.32 | wink | as if you could measure that minuscule difference |
| 12:05.45 | wink | prove me someone "games as well" with other keys |
| 12:05.46 | Workfoz | you easily can |
| 12:05.48 | nebula169 | wink you can >.> |
| 12:05.49 | Timmeh | well, if you get used to it, I'm sure it's fine anyway |
| 12:05.57 | Workfoz | what do you think the problem is, wink? |
| 12:06.27 | wink | Workfoz: it's personal preference. and I doubt the switches make you a better player. at least for 99.x% of the gamign populace |
| 12:06.35 | wink | I also prefer to type on mx black |
| 12:06.36 | Workfoz | nobody said it made you a better player |
| 12:06.44 | nevcairiel | they dont make you better, but blue can cause problems |
| 12:06.55 | Workfoz | please, describe what you think we're talking about ^^ |
| 12:06.55 | nevcairiel | like nebula169 said, spamming the same key is annoying |
| 12:06.56 | wink | cheap usb keyboards can cause problems |
| 12:07.01 | wink | it's still very unlikely |
| 12:07.04 | Workfoz | dude |
| 12:07.07 | wink | or I am not pro enough :P |
| 12:07.07 | Workfoz | don't evade |
| 12:07.22 | wink | "if you want to game as well" |
| 12:07.27 | wink | gimme a rough percentage |
| 12:07.32 | Timmeh | isn't the reset distance on the blues relatively high, so spamming means you have to move the keys way more up and down? |
| 12:07.35 | Workfoz | nebula said someting more precise |
| 12:07.36 | wink | of spammed keys that would work noticably betetr |
| 12:07.39 | nevcairiel | Timmeh: exactly |
| 12:07.40 | Workfoz | Timmeh: precisely |
| 12:07.49 | Workfoz | they don't behave the same in both travel directions |
| 12:07.49 | Timmeh | that's what I noticed at the Mediamarkt at least :-x |
| 12:07.50 | Timmeh | when trying them |
| 12:08.14 | wink | I notice I slight blowing out of proportion, that's all I'm saying ;) |
| 12:08.23 | Workfoz | have you used them >_> |
| 12:08.38 | wink | I use stuff that's worse than blues at home |
| 12:08.44 | wink | Logitech g110 |
| 12:08.46 | Workfoz | ... |
| 12:08.48 | Timmeh | it's not a matter of better or worse |
| 12:08.49 | Workfoz | stop |
| 12:08.49 | Workfoz | comparing |
| 12:08.51 | Workfoz | other stuff |
| 12:08.59 | Timmeh | it's a matter of what technique is used to activate and/or reset the keypress |
| 12:09.04 | nevcairiel | if someone is asking for opinions on which switches to use, its clearly a valid factor to mention that blues are not ideal for gaming |
| 12:09.06 | wink | Workfoz: I hate gaming on my mx blacks |
| 12:09.12 | wink | HATE |
| 12:09.26 | wink | i did not test blues really long. but cant be worse |
| 12:09.41 | wink | but ok, I will shut up :) |
| 12:09.42 | Timmeh | there is no better/worse if it's completely different techniques, though |
| 12:09.50 | Workfoz | I notice it most when I'm supposed to interrupt something, I might have the key already half-depressed and then pressing it all the way down won't do anything |
| 12:09.51 | Timmeh | scissor switch keys have a very short activation and reset distance |
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| 12:10.02 | Timmeh | membrane keys generally as well, but just have a way different feel |
| 12:10.02 | nebula169 | really? i like blacks for gaming |
| 12:10.18 | Timmeh | the biggest difference in "good" or "bad" is durability |
| 12:10.20 | wink | nebula169: I only ever had Noppoo choc keyboards though. mini and midi |
| 12:10.22 | Timmeh | the rest is just technical differences |
| 12:10.27 | Timmeh | and thus preference / getting used to |
| 12:10.55 | Timmeh | but, like nevcairiel said, with the blue's properties, it's very valid to call them less ideal for gaming |
| 12:11.04 | wink | and I said: who needs ideal? |
| 12:11.15 | Workfoz | someone who's looking to buy something new |
| 12:11.15 | Workfoz | :D |
| 12:11.32 | nevcairiel | if you are trying to decide which switches to get, why wouldnt you want the one that matches your use-case the best |
| 12:11.33 | nevcairiel | o.o |
| 12:11.44 | wink | that's like only buying the soccer shoes that you country's team uses because anything else would be less than ideal |
| 12:11.57 | Megalon | NEV, BECAUSE I FUCKING HATE MYSELF |
| 12:11.58 | Workfoz | no, since that doesn't measure their performance in anyway |
| 12:12.13 | nevcairiel | Megalon: and you should, you are from austria |
| 12:12.20 | Workfoz | but you'd want to buy the soccer shoes that match the ground you're playing on + your shoe size |
| 12:13.04 | wink | Workfoz: I meant the brand and model, not size and soles :P |
| 12:13.04 | Megalon | puts on his lederhosen and gets TO THE CHOPPAAAAAAAAA |
| 12:13.37 | nevcairiel | wink: he decided on the brand and model of keyboard, he was just trying to pick the switches! |
| 12:13.41 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 12:13.44 | wink | Megalon: but don't go faster than 130 |
| 12:13.49 | Timmeh | I get where you're coming from, wink, but what you're basically saying is analogous with saying that having smaller or bigger sprockets on your bike doesn't matter, because it won't make you a better cycler |
| 12:13.53 | wink | nevcairiel: nah, bad comparison :PP |
| 12:13.55 | Timmeh | while in fact, it does make it more efficient |
| 12:14.26 | wink | Timmeh: what I was saying is: it makes a miniscule difference that you probably wont notice in everyday usage. Unless you are a pro biker. |
| 12:14.42 | wink | Timmeh: it'sn ot as it hidners you to perform at the usual level. |
| 12:14.47 | nevcairiel | but if everything else is the same, why wouldn't you get the better one? |
| 12:15.07 | wink | nevcairiel: because I also think that this is a case of personal preference. |
| 12:15.23 | Timmeh | that's why I told him to go try them at the Mediamarkt (or anywhere else there's show models) :-P |
| 12:15.28 | wink | less then optimal for the majority doesnt say one person can't hate them |
| 12:15.40 | wink | yep, trying out is good |
| 12:16.04 | nevcairiel | fact remains that the tactile behaviour of blue and black switches is not optimal for typical gaming, mostly because the switches need to travel quite far upwards before they "release" |
| 12:16.23 | nevcairiel | if that is something you notice during gaming depends how you click the keys |
| 12:17.20 | Timmeh | and the way I see it, any hate towards such keys just come from not being used to them. when getting used to them, the technical differences will just make them more performant, even if it's indeed minuscule |
| 12:17.20 | nevcairiel | well, more of the blues, not so much the blacks |
| 12:17.39 | Timmeh | "such keys" being the more optimal ones |
| 12:17.52 | nebula169 | black are linear and have a quick reset, you mean brown? |
| 12:18.01 | Timmeh | brown have a quick reset as well |
| 12:18.05 | nebula169 | yea |
| 12:18.12 | nevcairiel | mostly blues anyway |
| 12:18.37 | nevcairiel | blacks are just reds with a higher pressure |
| 12:18.52 | nebula169 | yea |
| 12:19.15 | Timmeh | anyway, I totally agree it's all details, but I think most of the people in here are nerds and try to min/max where they can anyway (at least I am and do), so I totally understand why we're talking about such details :-) |
| 12:20.29 | Timmeh | and regarding the blues, I do notice every raid that one of the people in my raid team has Cherry MX Blues |
| 12:20.32 | Timmeh | combined with a cheap mic |
| 12:20.34 | Timmeh | -.- |
| 12:20.59 | nebula169 | clicky keyboards are great for marketing! |
| 12:21.20 | nevcairiel | Timmeh: force PTT |
| 12:21.29 | wink | that K95 looks sweet though |
| 12:21.34 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: it's during the PTT that we try to hear him over the sound of his clicking :-P |
| 12:21.47 | Timmeh | we do force PTT |
| 12:21.52 | wink | still hoping my G110 survives for a while, but it's the hardest-to-clean keyboard I ever had since 1994 |
| 12:22.16 | wink | Timmeh: lol, that's awesome yeah |
| 12:23.30 | Timmeh | our policy is "being able to talk is preferred, but not forced. if you do talk, you use PTT", I'd love to force having a mic on people, but our dead realm doesn't allow us such luxury :-P |
| 12:25.45 | nevcairiel | we always forced talking onto people, its not like everyone has to talk all the time, and if you have a stable roster the positions that do need to announce stuff usually are filled by the same people, but its still extremely useful if you can actually say something if shit hits the fan |
| 12:25.59 | Timmeh | yup |
| 12:27.00 | Timmeh | currently 9/10 people in our team talk, the only one not talking is one of the healers, which is annoying with near-death experiences |
| 12:27.06 | wink | i stopped talking when I changed guilds |
| 12:27.42 | Timmeh | we have a few people who only say something if really needed |
| 12:27.55 | Timmeh | and a few who just talk more |
| 12:27.57 | wink | not an officer, no official raid function, so no one would listen anyway. plus with 25 it's better to miss saying smth than talking over others |
| 12:28.12 | Timmeh | yea, 25 has to be a bit more controlled I'd imagine |
| 12:28.15 | nevcairiel | i was raid lead until wotlk, so didnt get around talking, in cata i tried to stay a bit quiet but i just couldn't shut up when something seemed wrong, and they ended up making me healing lead ... for some reason I always end up in such a position <.< |
| 12:28.20 | Timmeh | never done a "serious" 25man raid |
| 12:28.34 | Workfoz | I wonder what the Topre switches feel like, but good luck finding a keyboard that uses them |
| 12:28.41 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: same |
| 12:29.05 | wink | hehe, I am the same as I am at work |
| 12:29.08 | Timmeh | when I came back to WoW in Cata, I decided I didn't want to have any leader-ish function |
| 12:29.13 | Timmeh | didn't quite work out that way -.- |
| 12:29.17 | wink | quiet and shouting from the background when something is wrong |
| 12:29.23 | nebula169 | Timmeh: it never does :( |
| 12:30.24 | Workfoz | I'm told both my chair and my keyboard are audible when I speak on TS |
| 12:30.24 | Workfoz | :D |
| 12:30.49 | wink | chair? wow :) |
| 12:30.49 | Timmeh | at the end of Blackwing Descent I was unofficially the raid leader (the actual raid leader had no idea about tactics/mechanics, just blatantly repeating fatboss video contents without trying to even adapt it to our situation, and then not able to talk during the fight either) |
| 12:31.11 | wink | fatboss.... blackwing lair |
| 12:31.16 | wink | I need to learn to read ;) |
| 12:32.01 | Timmeh | Workfoz: my chair squeeks when I rock back and forth on it :-P |
| 12:32.23 | Workfoz | yeah, I fixed that with generous amounts of WD40 when I recently replaced the gas piston |
| 12:32.32 | Timmeh | hahah, same |
| 12:32.35 | Timmeh | well, the WD40 solution |
| 12:32.44 | Timmeh | but have to reapply every few months |
| 12:39.49 | Workfoz | I actually fitted my Das Keyboard 2 with soft landing pads |
| 12:40.02 | Workfoz | because the bottoming-out sound of the keys was a major noise source |
| 12:40.19 | Workfoz | the click is not that bad (well, I still wouldn't want to annoy my colleagues with it) |
| 12:41.06 | nebula169 | yeai got a friend a bunch of little rubber grommets for that reason because he complained about the noise |
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| 12:51.56 | Workfoz | https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,slpads&pid=sl120_cf :D |
| 12:51.58 | Workfoz | I got those |
| 12:52.10 | quiescens | nerf *foz |
| 12:52.17 | Workfoz | (well, and the soft black ones, too, but they appeared to make no difference) |
| 12:54.38 | wink | 12$ each. for 100 keys.. wow ;) |
| 12:54.58 | wink | nice idea, would love to try that |
| 12:55.02 | wink | *bookmarks* |
| 12:55.59 | Workfoz | I think I got them when they were on sale |
| 12:56.05 | Workfoz | or shipping was free when over $20 or something |
| 12:56.42 | Workfoz | basically (besides cleaning my keyboard so all keys hopefully work reliably again) I should try mx black and mx brown |
| 12:56.56 | Workfoz | I wonder if I'd miss the tacticle feedback |
| 12:57.19 | Timmeh | that's why I like the browns, though |
| 12:57.23 | Timmeh | there is tactile feedback |
| 12:57.29 | Timmeh | just no audible |
| 12:57.34 | Timmeh | except when bottoming out |
| 12:57.57 | Workfoz | yeah, just wondering if I have actually gotten used to it being there or not |
| 12:58.01 | Workfoz | since I don't have it at the office |
| 12:58.40 | Timmeh | at work I actually have scissor switch keys currently |
| 12:58.51 | Workfoz | I think mine is rubber dome |
| 12:59.11 | Timmeh | well, both of those have quite some tactice feedback as well |
| 12:59.20 | Timmeh | as in, you push it past a pressure point |
| 12:59.22 | Timmeh | tactile* |
| 12:59.34 | Timmeh | the reds/blacks are just linear |
| 12:59.53 | Timmeh | so you rely on other factors to know it activated |
| 13:01.25 | Workfoz | I don't think I make much use of the "can activate without bottoming out, and it even tells you when that happens" feature |
| 13:01.28 | Workfoz | i.e. the main feature. :D |
| 13:01.51 | Workfoz | I just mash them into the ground, I think |
| 13:02.03 | Workfoz | would have to wire up all keycaps to measure that, tho |
| 13:02.09 | Workfoz | bottoming out vs. just actuation |
| 13:08.25 | Timmeh | yea, well, I actually don't knwo for the domes, but I guess that's the same as for scissor switch keys, you get them past that pressure point, and the next stop is bottom anyway :-P |
| 13:08.32 | Timmeh | such small travel distance |
| 13:09.53 | Workfoz | yeah |
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| 15:57.50 | quiescens | ): |
| 16:04.13 | EthanCentaurai | gives quiescens a cookie. |
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| 16:10.21 | quiescens | \o/ |
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| 16:33.12 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: oh jesus not todeswache |
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| 16:41.58 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/6QKFzEO.png |
| 16:41.59 | znf | heh |
| 16:42.00 | znf | hi chaud! |
| 16:42.32 | chaud | hi |
| 16:44.57 | Fisker | hi chaud |
| 16:47.43 | Stanzilla | todeswache is like 10 people |
| 16:48.00 | chaud | no Fisker |
| 16:48.15 | Fisker | yes Fisker |
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| 16:56.23 | Fisker | omg Stanzilla |
| 16:56.27 | Fisker | I can't even |
| 16:56.30 | Fisker | http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/07/31/teardown-of-the-oculus-rift-development-kit-2-reveals-a-samsung-galaxy-note-3-front-panel-and-screen-seriously/ |
| 16:56.32 | Stanzilla | what up fister |
| 16:56.44 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 17:01.59 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: 42gb |
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| 19:38.17 | Stanzilla | yo nebula169 |
| 19:38.21 | Stanzilla | are you testing today? |
| 19:38.51 | Stanzilla | btw https://code.jquery.com/jquery-1.10.2.js lulz |
| 19:40.37 | Primer | is that their CDN? |
| 19:40.43 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 19:40.45 | Primer | wow |
| 19:40.48 | Primer | such fail |
| 19:52.39 | EthanCentaurai | how is that bad? |
| 19:52.47 | EthanCentaurai | oh right |
| 20:24.03 | Fisker | Hey Stanzilla |
| 20:24.18 | Stanzilla | hey |
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| 22:07.14 | Repo | libgraph-2-0: 03Resike * r50 (2 files in 2 directories): (2 lines trimmed from commit message) |
| 22:07.14 | Repo | - Code clean up. |
| 22:07.15 | Repo | - Added more upvalues. |
| 22:07.15 | Repo | - Fixed some globals and locals. |
| 22:07.15 | Repo | - Some typo fixes. |
| 22:16.25 | Repo | libsharedmedia-3-0: 03Resike * r87 LibSharedMedia-3.0/LibSharedMedia-3.0.lua: - Code clean up. |
| 22:16.59 | quiescens | o.o |
| 22:17.14 | Stanzilla | that scares me |
| 22:19.51 | Stanzilla | he changed 2 spaces btw |
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| 22:39.49 | Stanzilla | new spongebob movie :O https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwTf3xiBG28 |
| 23:05.04 | harl | www.justin.tv/nurse_wat |
| 23:21.07 | quiescens | brr |
| 23:21.39 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:21.50 | znf | Someone abandoned these kittens outside :( |
| 23:23.30 | Neffi | Looks like you have 6 new pets to take care of! |
| 23:30.48 | Stanzilla | I hate people that do that |
| 23:31.37 | Neffi | They look pretty young. They might just be strays and the mother wandered off or died |
| 23:37.58 | znf | Neffi, no |
| 23:38.03 | znf | someone came and dropped them off |
| 23:38.13 | znf | I know most of the neighborhood cats :P |
| 23:38.42 | znf | I'll need to get them some antibiotics for their eyes tomorow |
| 23:38.48 | znf | so they don't lose one eye |
| 23:38.49 | znf | or both |
| 23:39.46 | znf | right now 2 of them had both of their eyes shut, I cleaned them up a bit and gave them some mild antibiotic, but I don't have the correct kind :-/ |
| 23:40.01 | znf | at least they were able to see after I cleaned their eyes |
| 23:40.16 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 23:40.51 | znf | at least they were following my finger, so I'm assuming they were seeing |
| 23:41.20 | znf | didn't have any proper kitty food |
| 23:41.28 | znf | sliced them up some cold cuts, in really tiny pieces |
| 23:41.35 | znf | they ate and then cleaned themselves up |
| 23:41.45 | znf | I see the kids around here taking care of them, giving them milk :-/ |
| 23:41.50 | znf | but milk is so bad for cats :( |
| 23:45.08 | znf | what's really "awwwww", is that there's 2 stray dogs ("regular/local" dogs) that seem to be guarding them kittens |
| 23:45.21 | znf | They're not letting anyone getting close to them |
| 23:45.39 | znf | (or, at least, the strangers) |
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| 23:53.41 | silentium | and they seem to have someone who knows how to handle them now :) |
| 23:55.51 | znf | I can't really take proper care of them :-/ |
| 23:57.41 | Stanzilla | good guy znf |
| 23:58.16 | Stanzilla | go mix the milk with water when you see it |
| 23:58.18 | Stanzilla | makes it slightly better |
| 23:58.26 | znf | good to know |
