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| 13:09.07 | quiescens | pats purl |
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| 14:57.52 | Repo | big-wigs: 03stanzilla * r11782 / (16 files in 2 directories): less commas, more work |
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| 15:28.31 | sb | no more work, going home! |
| 15:28.43 | quiescens | \o/ |
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| 17:46.15 | EthanCentaurai | So quiet in here today... |
| 17:47.01 | Mihau | stabs EthanCentaurai. |
| 17:47.13 | EthanCentaurai | dies |
| 17:54.40 | Stanzilla | new skype for android |
| 17:54.49 | Stanzilla | 10 euro on the stupid group bug still being there |
| 17:55.55 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 17:55.59 | Fisker | I'll take that 10 euro |
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| 18:07.48 | quiescens | resses ethancentaurai |
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| 18:14.52 | MysticalOS | Stanzilla, you do realize neither chadd or ion care about that? |
| 18:14.59 | MysticalOS | tweeting them every few hours is pretty useless :P |
| 18:15.07 | Stanzilla | dont care either :D |
| 18:15.10 | znf | also, has anyone actually reproduced that issue on a HDD? |
| 18:15.11 | Stanzilla | someone has to |
| 18:15.11 | MysticalOS | even i gave up bitching about the broken UI code creating a bunch of shit folders |
| 18:15.18 | Megalon | lots of not-caring going on in here |
| 18:15.25 | znf | because I've only seen it on a SSD |
| 18:16.25 | Stanzilla | AS LONG AS I CAN TWEET |
| 18:16.28 | Stanzilla | I WILL COMPLAIN |
| 18:19.18 | MysticalOS | i even gave up complaining about engine. I'm just going out of my way to way over spec wow, so I meet it's true min specs for smooth ultra settings in crowded areas |
| 18:19.43 | MysticalOS | CPU OC to 4.6ghz now, although when rest of my parts come an i switch out air cooling for water, pushing it to 5.0 |
| 18:20.04 | quiescens | o.o |
| 18:20.16 | quiescens | what did you start with? |
| 18:20.42 | MysticalOS | i had a 4770k but it was a crap overclocker, I got a less than average roll of dice on it. i replaced it with a 4790k yesterday |
| 18:21.13 | quiescens | so 4.4 |
| 18:21.24 | MysticalOS | which is 4.0 stock with 4.4 turbo (when is really a pretty hefty OC on it's own because thermally the 4.4 is not that cool, in fact, it'd be borderline on a stock cooler) |
| 18:21.51 | MysticalOS | at stock it ran at 70C on a notctua D14, it would have been like 80-90 on a stock. with stock auto voltages. of course auto was overvolting shit out of it too |
| 18:21.56 | quiescens | i don't know if i like the turbo stuff on today's cpu's |
| 18:21.58 | MysticalOS | because i raised it to 4.6 without even changing them |
| 18:22.44 | quiescens | they bump the voltage way up because they prefer to be sure it will run at the speed, despite the heat, rather than risk it not working |
| 18:23.05 | MysticalOS | yeah, especially gigabyte boards, auto can be pretty high |
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| 18:23.22 | MysticalOS | it autoed my 4770 to 1.4 volts for 4.3 |
| 18:23.25 | quiescens | its not even the board |
| 18:23.28 | MysticalOS | when it's perfectly stable at 1.226 |
| 18:23.45 | quiescens | the voltages, as requested by the CPU, in the "turbo" states, are actually that high |
| 18:24.48 | MysticalOS | 4790k has a weird turbo. |
| 18:24.52 | MysticalOS | stock, it's not true 4.4 |
| 18:25.05 | MysticalOS | it's actually allocated factory as 44, 44, 43, 42 |
| 18:25.07 | MysticalOS | per core |
| 18:25.27 | quiescens | shrug |
| 18:25.43 | MysticalOS | uncore wasn't raised to 4.4 either. it was left ato 4.0 |
| 18:25.59 | MysticalOS | 4770k was core/uncore 3.5, both turbo to 3.9 |
| 18:26.15 | MysticalOS | core and uncore on 4790 are 4.0 but only 1 turbos, uncore no longer turboboosts |
| 18:26.23 | quiescens | i think my last pc had a cpu that was 3.5ghz at 1.35 |
| 18:27.25 | quiescens | i ended up with like, 4.2 at 1.225 or something |
| 18:27.56 | MysticalOS | my 4.6 is 100% stable but I am noticing very slight memory quirk i saw in past when the memory got irritated iwth oC over time, and it started causing weird issues like sound skipping. in past that was caused by a bug in gigabyte firmware that made memory stability fail above 1600mhz memory overclock. I hope that bug isn't back for 4790. |
| 18:28.24 | MysticalOS | if it is i'll just have to dial memory back down. in mean time I need to do more testing on it to be sure. maybe raise ring voltage to see if that nips it first |
| 18:29.00 | quiescens | memory speed doesn't really seem to make as much difference as it used to |
| 18:29.11 | quiescens | certainly compared to just having lots of it |
| 18:29.24 | MysticalOS | i know. it really just affects like one program i use |
| 18:29.31 | MysticalOS | def a 0 gain for gaming and most regular use |
| 18:30.02 | MysticalOS | I def lke having a lot, I don't like having less than 32 gigs |
| 18:30.17 | MysticalOS | because surprisingly even with that much i've STILL hit paging before |
| 18:30.25 | MysticalOS | I can use up a lot of ram |
| 18:30.30 | quiescens | o.o |
| 18:30.53 | MysticalOS | granted I only used up all 32 gigs once and it was because I was working in two OSes at same time and allocated 16 gigs to each |
| 18:31.07 | quiescens | sekretly simulating the entire planet |
| 18:31.34 | MysticalOS | and then, when I was done, forgot I had windows 7 open and minimized it for rest of day |
| 18:32.05 | Megalon | the entire planet? |
| 18:32.10 | MysticalOS | at some point I was like "hmm, something is off about memory usage. oh i have an entire OS still running with 16 gigs I forgot about" |
| 18:32.12 | quiescens | i think most of my vm's have like, 1-2gb |
| 18:32.28 | Megalon | so that's like 1gig for the everyone and 31gigs quiescens death logs |
| 18:33.54 | quiescens | ): |
| 18:34.43 | MysticalOS | wow right now i'm only using 7.4 gigs. that's too much free memory. i need to open more things |
| 18:35.35 | quiescens | maybe just give it the night off |
| 18:40.12 | MysticalOS | i gave it several nights off before my 4790 arrived. the 4770 was starting to have some real thermal issues. the paste I had between die and lid (I delidded/relidded cpu) kept melting off and forming air gaps. I had to redo it once a week. My fault really. it's a good paste for heat sink but on die for some reason gets runny. I shelved that cpu for now while I want for my CLU to fix that issue and put it in another PC build at a l |
| 18:40.12 | MysticalOS | ater time |
| 18:41.27 | Gnarfoz | I think I hl'd you about delidding |
| 18:41.30 | Gnarfoz | did you get that? |
| 18:41.37 | Gnarfoz | a week or two ago |
| 18:41.42 | MysticalOS | not sure |
| 18:41.52 | MysticalOS | I did everything right, I just had bad TIM |
| 18:42.58 | Gnarfoz | was about the "Ivy worse oc than Sandy" issue being caused by the IHS being too far above the die |
| 18:43.04 | Gnarfoz | or rather, proof of it |
| 18:43.14 | Gnarfoz | and proof that the TIM they used had no bearing on it |
| 18:43.24 | MysticalOS | doesn't surprise me |
| 18:43.39 | Gnarfoz | I'll grab the link since you haven't screamed "oh I read that", yet |
| 18:43.40 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:43.58 | quiescens | crazeh *foz |
| 18:44.07 | MysticalOS | in all honesty ivy and haswell have been disappointments riddled with cheap manufacturing that litteraly add 15-20C to CPU |
| 18:44.22 | Gnarfoz | where do you get "cheap manufacturing" from |
| 18:44.33 | Gnarfoz | nobody knows anything about Intel's manufacturing costs |
| 18:44.39 | MysticalOS | because a proper cpu would be soldered |
| 18:44.42 | Gnarfoz | gj repeating made-up facts |
| 18:44.54 | MysticalOS | these are machined cpus with paste globbed on terribly |
| 18:45.19 | MysticalOS | in fact evidence shows they don't even put the paste on the die, they put it on plate then stick it to die |
| 18:45.21 | Gnarfoz | just because someone did that for a while for certain CPUs doesn't mean that it has to be done that way and everything else is wrong ^^ |
| 18:45.47 | Gnarfoz | anyway, as evidenced here, the TIM is not the issue: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2261855 |
| 18:46.11 | Gnarfoz | aw crap, wrong link I think |
| 18:46.17 | Gnarfoz | there's no mention of the paper shim >_> |
| 18:46.31 | MysticalOS | yeah tim itself makes little diff anyways unless it's just runny or really bad. it's that they actually use too much and i have no doubt gap is too large as you say |
| 18:46.43 | MysticalOS | my 4770 had enough TIM on it for like 3 cpus |
| 18:46.47 | Gnarfoz | ah not terribly wrong link. it's in that thread. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34053183&postcount=570 (second link from the bottom of his "link to further posts" list) |
| 18:47.31 | Gnarfoz | pretty ridiculous to gain (or lose, whatever) 20 °C from 0.06 mm of distance |
| 18:48.06 | MysticalOS | interesting |
| 18:48.30 | Gnarfoz | what res are you running wow at btw, to have such problems? or is the mac client even worse than the windows one |
| 18:48.45 | MysticalOS | mac client is decent, mac drivers far from it |
| 18:48.51 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 18:48.56 | quiescens | how do you know its wow |
| 18:48.59 | MysticalOS | the video drivers have a lot of cpu overhead |
| 18:49.05 | quiescens | it could have been some other game! |
| 18:49.19 | MysticalOS | granted wow is part of problem too |
| 18:49.24 | Gnarfoz | I know because... I've seen his rants :) |
| 18:49.36 | quiescens | spai |
| 18:49.40 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 18:49.44 | MysticalOS | apple's fault mainly. OS X supports opengl 4, but only if you use latest OS. opengl 3 but only if you are using an OS released in last 2 years |
| 18:49.49 | Gnarfoz | I know my "this game is ancient, why not 500 fps?!" issues are from way too many (and bad) addons |
| 18:49.57 | Gnarfoz | and I'm too lazy to nuke it all and start over |
| 18:50.05 | MysticalOS | and blizzard being a company that likes to support games for majority users (and majority are too dumb/stuborn to upgrade) even to a free OS update |
| 18:50.10 | MysticalOS | wow on mac uses opengl 2 |
| 18:50.17 | quiescens | why would you want to run something at 500fps |
| 18:50.18 | Gnarfoz | (I guess I should put such statements in past tense, haven't played since easter) |
| 18:50.25 | MysticalOS | lacking MANY apis that help take burden off cpu and offload to gpu |
| 18:50.28 | MysticalOS | as such, more cpu overhead |
| 18:50.36 | Gnarfoz | wow on mac runs on opengl, period! :D |
| 18:50.47 | Gnarfoz | of course, that's unfair, it's not like opengl is bad |
| 18:50.50 | MysticalOS | opengl in OS X is actually much better than opengl in windows |
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| 18:51.09 | quiescens | i'm happier to not have the cpu overheat under any load o.o |
| 18:51.11 | MysticalOS | it's just apples OS policy is, release new OS every year, then ABANDON old one |
| 18:51.16 | Gnarfoz | it's just that opengl is <-> direct3d, not directx |
| 18:51.28 | MysticalOS | an OS thats less than 2 years, EOL'd |
| 18:51.32 | MysticalOS | no driver updates, no bugfixes |
| 18:51.34 | Gnarfoz | and directx being more than just direct3d is what made direct3d be where it is today |
| 18:52.04 | Gnarfoz | quiescens: certainly, I was just making a point. I run at way fewer FPS than I should, for a game of this age. :D |
| 18:52.57 | Gnarfoz | MysticalOS: solution: close mac forums, make wow 6.0 run only on latest osx |
| 18:52.58 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:53.21 | MysticalOS | the lack of frequent driver updates, and lack of ANY support for anything but LATEST OS do to apples crap support policies means majority of mac users are on out of date OSes/drivers and as such, wow has to be catered to old apis that drastically lower mac performance |
| 18:53.23 | Gnarfoz | also, release linux client, but that's besides the point :D |
| 18:53.26 | Kalroth | no no no, leave mac forums open, i'd want to read the drama |
| 18:53.41 | Gnarfoz | you've spent too much time on EJ, Kalroth |
| 18:53.46 | MysticalOS | i think they are nearing that point. handholding stuborn users has always been hard because upgrading had a cost |
| 18:53.47 | Gnarfoz | it has changed you |
| 18:53.53 | MysticalOS | now that apple OS updates are FREE, there is literally no excuse |
| 18:54.03 | Kalroth | i havent visited EJ in quite a while now :) |
| 18:54.08 | Gnarfoz | the damage is done |
| 18:54.21 | Gnarfoz | MysticalOS: does bnet agent exist on osx |
| 18:54.22 | Kalroth | I'd rather blame SA then |
| 18:54.25 | MysticalOS | 10.10 is also going to be free. |
| 18:54.33 | MysticalOS | yes, and agent is just as terrible on OS X |
| 18:54.34 | Gnarfoz | does it run with rooooooooot powers? |
| 18:54.39 | MysticalOS | no |
| 18:54.40 | Gnarfoz | shame |
| 18:54.44 | Kalroth | does it come with a free backdoor? |
| 18:54.47 | Gnarfoz | could just force-upgrade everyone. |
| 18:55.03 | quiescens | i'm sure that would go over well |
| 18:55.25 | Gnarfoz | they could use the backdoors integrated into iOS to take control of Macs when plugged in! or something. |
| 18:55.42 | MysticalOS | 10.9 actually had fastest adoption rate ever. in fact apple was throwing it in MSes face because, windows 8 lol |
| 18:55.49 | Gnarfoz | quiescens: they're second-rate citizens already, doesn't make it much worse :D |
| 18:56.09 | Gnarfoz | adoption rates are nice, since you usually measure them in percent |
| 18:56.14 | Gnarfoz | not in actual installs :> |
| 18:56.18 | Kalroth | comparing your OS to Windows 8 does you no favors though |
| 18:56.22 | MysticalOS | however, blizzards surveys if they even show 5% of users on like 10.6 or 10.7, they stubornly won't move on |
| 18:56.37 | MysticalOS | bottom line more important than performance |
| 18:56.41 | Gnarfoz | is blizzard's hw survey data available somewhere, like Steam's? |
| 18:56.41 | quiescens | people don't update macs, they just buy a new one |
| 18:56.42 | MysticalOS | always been that way |
| 18:57.07 | MysticalOS | that's also quite true, i used to like mac hardware, when the mac pro wasn't a non expandable trashcan |
| 18:57.24 | MysticalOS | now I build beast PCs and hackintosh them. |
| 18:57.35 | MysticalOS | half the price twice the performance |
| 18:57.48 | Gnarfoz | I'm still trying to come to grips with how bad our datacenter move is going so far :D |
| 18:58.07 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.14 | MysticalOS | are you boondocks? |
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| 18:59.22 | Repo | rarity: 03allara * r250 (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 18:59.22 | Repo | - Dandelion Frolicker: Added NPC 71823 to the list of NPCs. Apparently when you leave combat, Scary Sprites have their ID changed from 71826 to 71823, which is the same ID as the Nice Sprites, although the corpses continue to carry the name Scary Sprite. Hopefully this fixes detection for Dandelion Frolicker. |
| 18:59.59 | Repo | rarity: 03allara 04r250-release * r251 : Tagging as r250-release |
| 19:01.11 | quiescens | *foz is transferring the data by punchcard |
| 19:01.22 | Gnarfoz | at least that would be reliable |
| 19:08.19 | Gnarfoz | so far, Hitachi has tried *twice* to ship our new SAN to the wrong place (our offices, instead of our new DC in a different town), and too early, because our space in the DC won't be ready for another two weeks (which is a date that has also moved at least once so far). The company we contracted for our network setup is basically useless (recommended/ordered wrong switches for our requirements, also, missing rack rails... good thing the |
| 19:08.20 | Gnarfoz | correct switches will take another 2 weeks anyway). I wonder what's going to go wrong in the other areas like power distribution, physical access... |
| 19:09.38 | Fisker | :| |
| 19:13.06 | quiescens | i don't think your punchcards will work as smoothly as you think |
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| 20:19.13 | Repo | rarity: 03allara * r252 (6 files in 2 directories): (7 lines trimmed from commit message) |
| 20:19.13 | Repo | IMPORTANT! This build of Rarity will not work on the current 5.4.x live client. It is intended for Warlords of Draenor (6.x). |
| 20:19.13 | Repo | - TOC update for 6.0 |
| 20:19.13 | Repo | - Changed Mimiron's Head and Invincible's Reins to be soloable |
| 20:28.32 | sb | hey Stanzilla |
| 20:28.46 | sb | i think wow creates "wrong" folders in the WTF dir! |
| 20:30.36 | Fisker | You think a lot of stuff sb |
| 20:30.43 | sb | yup |
| 20:33.54 | sb | great, isn't it? |
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| 22:31.02 | Stanzilla | ;E |
| 22:33.20 | Fisker | Hi |
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