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00:38.04pompynebula169: the "it's ok" one is of a game called "Bat Rats"..
00:38.17pompylol 12k hrs in that
00:39.45pompyhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/grasshole/recommended/570/ lol
00:40.28pompynebula169: and the other one http://steamcommunity.com/id/ate50eggs/recommended/48700/
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01:22.26StanzillaFisker: http://developer.android.com/preview/google-play-services-wear.html
01:26.35MegalonFisker: IT'S HAPPENING http://i.imgur.com/od6kn4d.png
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03:02.35nevcairielMan the new Samsung 850 pro sure looks awesome
03:02.55nevcairielNow they just need to build a sata express version
03:04.56nevcairielIts without question the best 6Gbps SATA drive now
03:10.09Stanzillanot even that expensive
03:17.13Neffi850 Pro? They just don't stop making good stuff
03:25.37Stanzillayeah well they have their phone department for all the fails
03:29.47Neffiyeah, I was kinda referring just to their SSD dpt  ;)
03:30.51nevcairielV-NAND was the next logical evolution, glad to see it worked out and delivers what was promised
03:31.28nevcairielmost importantly, drastically increasing the endurance levels of the NAND, which has otherwise been going down with every shrink
03:31.59NeffiAnandTech's rundown on the 850 Pro is, as usually, great
03:32.58nevcairielthey have until september to produce a PCIe/SATA Express version of the drive
03:33.01nevcairielthey better hurry
03:33.39NeffiWhy?
03:34.32nebula1691tb 730$! ouch
03:34.33nevcairielbecause thats when Intels new extreme editions CPUs are being released, and I want one to go into that system
03:36.01NeffiSnag an XP941
03:36.15NeffiOr just a regular SATA drive. Do you really need 2 GB/s bandwidth?
03:36.35nevcairielwho needs anything, I want 2 GB/s bandwidth!
03:37.12Neffi<_<
03:37.21nevcairielalso the XP941 being an OEM part is a bit tricky to get, and its not entirely perfect
03:39.07pompythe hell https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10456055_10202389607797054_2513600633759706202_n.jpg
03:39.19pompyhttps://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10359490_10202389607917057_1251530319485249703_n.jpg
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04:01.02FiskerYeah old Stanzilla
04:01.46Stanzillathat search update enabled "ok google everywhere" outside of the us
04:08.40Fiskerk
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06:14.57Torhalupdates Stanzilla.
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06:39.43sbDroidStanzilla: also with other languages?
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07:25.58quiescensmoo
07:33.01sbDroidnot so much moo
07:33.23quiescens):
07:33.51quiescenssb > sbdroid
07:35.55znfsbDroid, do you even irccloud?!?
07:36.17sbDroidno - why?
07:36.22znfyou should
07:36.28sbDroidwhy?
07:36.34quiescensdon't do it~
07:36.36znfdidn't you say that quassel sucks? :P
07:36.43sbDroidnot sure :|
07:36.53sbDroidirssi just feels better
07:37.02Shirikquasselcore is great
07:37.07Shirikthe UI is the part that sucks
07:37.44znfThat's where irccloud excels :P
07:37.46znfat least on mobile
07:38.25Shirikthey don't excel at not charging money
07:38.46znfyeah, it's kind of steep for an IRC service :-/
07:38.53znfone-time payment would have been a good deal
07:38.59znf$5 is kind of steep
07:39.21znfheck, $2 would have been more appropiate
07:40.13znfstill, I'm paying for it :P
07:40.19ShirikI should make a good UI for quassel, charge $2 to use it, and hook people up to my quassel server
07:40.35znfirccloud is open source, btw
07:40.36znfthe app
07:40.49znfhttps://github.com/irccloud/android
07:41.05znfeven the iOS one: https://github.com/irccloud/ios
07:41.05Shirikwhich basically means it's incapable of being adapted to quassel
07:41.13Shirikbecause open source always means not designed
07:41.15znfprobably :P
07:42.47znfalso, another drawback of IRCCloud is that you can't connect a normal client to it
07:42.53znf(to act like a bouncer)
07:43.01znfI love the mobile apps
07:43.12znfbut I dislike the web irc client when I'm on my PC at home
07:43.19znfI still prefer xchat
07:43.22sylvanaari like irccloud, but it doesn't have as many features as  a full client
07:43.40znfso right now I have ZNC running on a VPS, to which I connect both irccloud and my xchat
07:44.11sylvanaarIt is also difficult to find highlights in the backlog
07:44.24sylvanaarbut - i can bring it up any time I am at a browser
07:44.47sylvanaarand i get the backlog for the channel which could be months
07:44.49znfThe only drawback of quassel for me was the UI
07:45.03znfI find it horrible for some reasons :(
07:45.15sylvanaarI liked the quassel UI. I didn't feel like hosting a server for it
07:45.37znfsomeone should make a quassel xchat plugin :P
07:45.41sylvanaarand without the client/server setup - it was pointless
07:46.26sylvanaarThough, now I finally have an affordable VPS that I can use
07:47.02znfhmm, I have so many VPS around
07:47.17znfand I have like $20 credit for another one on digitalocean
07:47.19sylvanaarIf you want to sign up for it, use my referal link. https://www.digitalocean.com/?refcode=84f66533ec7a
07:47.22sylvanaaryeah
07:47.23sylvanaarlol
07:47.44sylvanaarI finally have a place to run my build server
07:48.37quiescenso.o
07:48.41quiescensthats always fun
07:49.12sylvanaarI was sick of hosting it here
07:49.22quiescensyeah
07:49.35quiescensits easier to make someone else take care of teh hardware these days
07:50.00sylvanaarI still have to figure out what to do about the build agents though
07:50.32sylvanaaranyhow, it is an improvement
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07:51.32znfSo, question
07:51.42znfas I've skipped playing these days in the beta
07:51.52znfAre more than the starting zones opened?
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07:53.02quiescensuh oh, its *foz
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08:31.21znfwell, apparently there's /r/60FPSporn O.O
08:31.24znfnot sure if I should be impressed
08:31.41Workfozyou should
08:47.41sbwonder if i can just order a vodafone NFC sim and use my phone to pay my mcdonalds menus
08:47.45sbStanzilla: any ideas?
08:47.48znfnfc sim?!
08:47.50znfO.O
08:47.52sbyes
08:47.52znfwhat's that sorcery
08:48.23FiskerWhat's sorcery about it?
08:49.16FiskerThough I guess it wouldn't work too well with a battery on top :D
08:50.16sbwhy - is the battery between sim and nfc hardware?
08:50.25znfnot on the N5
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08:52.02WorkfozNFC SIM is confusing
08:52.19WorkfozI think you mean a SIM with an integrated wallet that can be used to pay via NFC?
08:53.05WorkfozI don't know if that's necessary, wouldn't something like Google Wallet suffice? (i.e. a software wallet vs. a "hardware" one on a SIM (disregarding that it's also software that runs on the SIM :P))
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08:59.27quiescenso.o
09:02.09sbWorkfoz: http://www.vodafone.de/smartpass/mobile/vodafone-wallet.html
09:03.49Workfozyes
09:04.10sbso you need sim + software wallet
09:04.13WorkfozI was commenting on those thinking that the NFC SIM would have an antenna
09:04.24Workfoz(which ALSO exists, but is probably not what you need)
09:04.30Workfozah yeah I get it
09:04.38WorkfozI just asked if it's enough to have a software wallet
09:04.40Workfoznevermind me
09:04.42sbi dont get it tbh :D
09:04.56Workfozget what :o
09:04.57znfI don't get what that vodafone wallet is
09:04.59sbstill dont know why you need a new SIM but...
09:05.27znfhttp://www.nfcworld.com/2013/11/22/327020/vodafone-launch-nfc-mobile-wallet-across-europe/
09:05.42sbsoftware authorizes payments over sim and communicates with the nfc terminal (mcdonalds e.g.)
09:05.42Workfozsb: because you need a "secure element" SIM
09:05.47sbah
09:05.52znf>“The Vodafone Wallet allows customers to leave their cards and coins at home and manage their daily transactions efficiently and securely using their smartphone,”
09:05.58znfyeah, in your fuckin' dreams
09:06.03Workfozwhich stores your payment stuff securely
09:06.16znfWorkfoz, isn't the phone already doing that?
09:06.20znfor is that Google Wallet?
09:06.34znfthis shit is confusing
09:06.36Workfozif you read the last 20 minutes of scrollback, you'll realize that's what I assumed, too
09:06.41Workfozbut apparently it isn't
09:06.50znfSo what's the difference?
09:07.03Workfoz(which explains why the "NFC payment" menu on my phone is a pretty blank page)
09:08.18Workfozthe difference is that the SIM apparently needs to have that secure element thing to store your NFC payment credentials in
09:08.29znfso how does paypal work, then?
09:08.36znfthey store the info in their app, securely?
09:08.39Workfoz"securely" (until next chaos communication congress or blackhat or...)
09:08.39znfor online on their servers
09:08.49Workfozpaypal does not relate to this at all
09:09.00znfpaypal has a nfc pay feature
09:09.05Workfozdoes it now
09:09.12sboh?
09:09.31Workfozprobably not compatible with regular nfc payments?
09:09.33znfor, I think?
09:09.51Workfozsomething like "lulz you can use NFC to start a regular paypal transaction"
09:10.09Workfoz(i.e. more like "scan this qr code to go to a prepared website")
09:10.18WorkfozBUT I shall look at their website first :D
09:10.35znfI know they announced something in 2011-2012?
09:11.31Workfozhttp://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/wallets-and-nfc-tremble-in-fear-as-paypal-intros-new-ways-to-pay-with-your-phone-1235798 from 2014 mentions they are offering something that *competes* with NFC (but doesn't mention it being NFC)
09:11.44znfhuh, weird
09:11.50znfI don't get this thing, then :D
09:11.52Workfozuh you mean this? http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/08/paypal-direct-nfc-payments-to-android-app-lets-you-p2p-your-lun/
09:11.57Workfozthat sounds like just what I described
09:12.12Workfozcan initiate paypal to paypal transactions without entering all the info by hand
09:12.32Workfozinstead, they transmit it via NFC (which means they could also encode it into a QR code)
09:12.35znfboring
09:12.41sbsoftware only would be really bad tbh
09:12.59znfif I have to get a special sim for that, fuck it
09:13.03Workfozwhich is why you need a NFC SE SIM ;-)
09:13.08sbyup
09:13.19Workfozhttp://mobility.telus.com/en/ON/SIM-Cards/how-to-004366.shtml (it's Canadian, but the second bullet point clearly explains it)
09:13.20znfthey can go fuck themselves with that service, then
09:13.29sberrr znf, its for your own good
09:13.31Workfozbecause it's so hard to order a free sim replacement? :D
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09:13.38sbtrojans stealing nfc wallets and your money... would be bad
09:13.51znffrom what I can figure out, Google Wallet does that without a special sim
09:14.22znfWorkfoz, that page doesn't work
09:14.28Workfozw0t
09:14.34quiescensmeh
09:14.40WorkfozI think Google Wallet is just a frontend to the SIM if you have one, because my Google wallet page on my phone is blank
09:14.51sbWorkfoz: thats because its US only
09:14.53quiescensno different to any other thingy that has access to electronic moneys
09:14.54sbhttp://www.google.de/wallet/faq.html#
09:14.54znfWorkfoz, uhm, you can't install it on EU
09:15.03Workfoz>_>
09:15.13znfunless your phone came with it :O
09:15.14znf:P
09:15.16Workfozthe NFC payment page, then, if that's not the same thing
09:15.18Funkeh`http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/millions-of-dymanic-dns-users-suffer-after-microsoft-seizes-no-ip-domains/
09:15.21Funkeh`fml
09:15.29Workfoz(and why do you mention it then, you can't use it yourself!)
09:15.48znfgeez @ no-ip
09:16.01WorkfozFunkeh`: yeah, I had hoped someone on the tech side of things would have prevent that from actually happening
09:16.04Workfozbut it already did, apparently
09:19.13znfHow can someone just disregard a whole company and simply take their domain away? Especially when no-ip is used by so many people
09:19.14znf:-|
09:19.24Workfozhttp://www.phonearena.com/news/Verizon-says-it-wont-allow-Google-Wallet-because-it-uses-NFC_id37510
09:19.43Workfozsays Google Wallet also needs a secure element
09:19.54Workfozbut apparently the author didn't bother to research what that is and just claims it's the NFC chip
09:20.17Workfoz(maybe some phone's NFC chips actually implement the SE bit, too, I guess that's possible)
09:20.43Workfozalso, guess why that means it doesn't work on Verizon? They don't *have* SIMs on their CDMA network ;-)
09:20.55znf>Verizon-backed Isis, which uses NFC-enabled SIM cards for tap-to-pay transactions.
09:21.01Workfozread all of it, please.
09:21.02sbwonder how the billing works for vodafone - i cant get one if its done via phone bill... (because work is paying, and i'm sure they wont pay my mcdonalds visits)
09:21.03znf(I know they're on CDMA)
09:21.29quiescenso.o
09:21.56znfsb, maybe it links to your credit/debit card and not show up on the mobile link?
09:22.08Workfozmaybe it actually stores your money, like Geldkarte!
09:22.12Workfoz(it probably doesn't)
09:22.21znfI have a weird feeling about my phone operator handling payments for other services
09:22.26znfdoesn't feel natural :P
09:22.43quiescenswe have touch to pay using actual bank/credit/debit cards
09:23.08quiescensiuno if anyone uses their phones for it
09:23.28sbnfc credit card?
09:23.37quiescensyeah
09:23.47Workfozhttp://phandroid.com/2013/09/19/google-wallet-nfc-payments-blocked/ yay more details
09:23.49znfyeah, they're dubbed "contactless cards" fi I remember corectly
09:24.17Workfoz"OEMs have been moving the secure element — a hardware-based security feature — from NFC to the SIM card and other embedded components"
09:24.34Workfozso my previous assumption was correct
09:24.52WorkfozGoogle Wallet also requires a secure element, be it on the SIM or in some other place
09:24.58znfIt seems flagships have it built in?
09:25.04Workfozno
09:25.08Workfozbecause if you read that sentence
09:25.09Workfoz...
09:25.15Workfozwell
09:25.21Workfozit's not in the NFC chip at least anymore
09:25.28quiescensall of our cards have chips and they're phasing out the old signature based stuff in favour of pins as of the start of next month
09:25.43Workfoza.k.a. you're very, VERY late to the party, quiescens
09:25.44Workfoz:D
09:25.52quiescensthat is, they're finishing phasing them out, so we can't use signatures at all starting next month
09:25.58znfWorkfoz, I have my doubts about the "anymore" part.
09:25.59quiescenso.o
09:26.12znfWhy woud they take the secure element out?
09:26.15znfSounds like a regresion to me
09:26.21Workfozznf: that's what the article claims, neither you or I (or the author) seem to have numbers to support that :D
09:26.28Workfoztake it out and move it
09:26.34Workfozto some other component ;-)
09:26.52znf>In Google’s case, not including a secure element within the Nexus 7  2013 could be seen as a sign of defeat
09:26.53Workfozthe SIM would make most sense (surprise?) because it is the SUBSCRIBER IDENTITY MODULE :P
09:27.01znfor, the fact that it's a damn tablet :-/
09:27.21znfHmmm
09:27.28znfNexus 5 doesn't have a SE either
09:27.32Workfozwell, there's more than enough people taking pictures with their shitty tablets on holiday/concerts... I wouldn't be surprised if they "tapped and paid" with it at McD ;D
09:28.04Workfozanyway, what's so bad about it being in the SIM? I think that's precisely where it belongs
09:28.20quiescensworkfoz: pins are the required method elsewhere? or just an option?
09:28.33znfwell, I'm not clear on a thing
09:28.42znfIf I change my carrier, do I have to do some retarded paperwork?
09:28.54Workfozquiescens: ah, I think I misread that, then... not legally required here, no - but most transaction handlers probably enforce it over a certain amuont
09:28.55znfie: is that secure-element tied to the carrier in any way?
09:29.12Workfozit's tied to your SIM, since your carrier provides your SIM... well
09:29.17quiescensi don't mean we're phasing in the pins, we're getting rid of the signatures
09:29.18quiescenslol
09:29.22Workfozno more paperwork than changing your carrier would?
09:29.31Workfozquiescens: I forget where you are :|
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09:29.43znfWorkfoz, that's not what I meant.
09:29.57znfDoes that secure element need to be authorized with my bank somehow?
09:30.06WorkfozI have no idea *what* it stores
09:30.17znfOr it's simply a storage place that's independent of phone or whatever
09:30.18Workfoz"secure payment credentials" could mean anything ;-)
09:30.23znfI know :P
09:30.23Workfozit is that in any cse
09:30.25Workfoz*case
09:30.30znferm
09:30.30quiescensand yeah, everyone's card has contactless payment here unless you haven't replaced it in forever
09:30.35znfsorry, I wrote it silly
09:30.36znfI meant
09:30.45znfA storage place independent of my carrier
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09:30.56znfAlso, when you nfc pay, where does the money come from when you pay?
09:31.03znfYour card/bank account? Or your carrier's phone bill?
09:31.05WorkfozTHAT is the question we need to answer first ;)
09:31.39Workfozand I'd venture a guess and say the secure element can be accessed even if your SIM is not registered on the network
09:31.47Workfozsince it's just a smartcard processor
09:31.49znfthat's where I wanted to get to :P
09:32.10Workfozbut I wouldn't bet anything on being able to actually PAY with a deactivated SIM
09:32.29Workfozi.e. should at least be enough to read out the info that's stored there even after your contract ends
09:32.38Workfozbut... since all of them say it stores "credentials" (not money)
09:32.58sbso attaching another nfc sim externally to your phone? :D
09:33.02Workfozthere's probably no big loss if you couldn't access it anymore because you replaced it with another one
09:33.08Workfozexternally?
09:33.18sbtape it
09:33.19quiescensi kind of think it is sim based, the best bet would be that it charges to your phone account
09:33.21Workfozwhy are we back to step one
09:33.27Workfozit's not a SIM with an antenna
09:33.35Workfozit's a SIM with a special storage area
09:33.51sbok :D
09:33.52sbgot that
09:33.54quiescensotherwise they would have to work with banks and stuff and authorization headaches
09:34.00Workfoz(although SIMs with antennas do exist)
09:34.10Workfozquiescens: \o/ guesswork
09:34.25Workfozwe don't know, and their websites are being nonspecific :\
09:35.35Workfozhttp://www.smartcardalliance.org/pages/publications-nfc-frequently-asked-questions#7 moar info!
09:37.50Workfoz"Als nächstes müssen Nutzer noch Geld auf das neue Vodafone-Smartpass-Konto laden."
09:38.03Workfoz"Später sollen Anwender auch ihre bestehenden Kreditkarten oder Gutscheincodes verwenden sowie per Einzahlung oder Lastschrift das Smartpass-Konto aufladen können. Die Guthabenkarte kann mittels Überweisung, Kreditkarte oder auch direkt per Lastschrift vom Girokonto mit Geld bestückt werden."
09:38.10Workfozhttp://www.cnet.de/88126845/vodafone-wallet-smartpass-mit-dem-smartphone-bargeldlos-per-nfc-bezahlen/
09:40.47Workfozi.e. in their case at least, it's a separate account you can transfer money into
09:40.52Workfozand then pay out of
09:44.55znfI really hope the new smartphone generation has that natural language procesor, low power thingie
09:50.27Workfozthat sounds rather vague
09:50.31Workfoz(and optimistic)
09:50.35Workfozsb: Schweinekrustenbraten an Dunkelbiersoße mit Kräuterpüree und Speckbohnen
09:50.43sbnice
09:51.04Workfozsounds like something worth driving 10 minutes for :D
09:51.14sbsounds exatcly like our kantine here :D
09:51.17znfwtf is that
09:51.49sbWorkfoz: Zart geschmortes Rinderragout mit Reis und Salat
09:52.06Workfozyours is beef, I'd actually prefer that
09:52.55quiescenso.o
09:53.17Workfozznf: http://imworld.aufeminin.com/dossiers/D20110912/braten-rezepte-08-140013_L.jpg with a dark beer sauce and pureed herbs/potato mash & beans with bacon bits :D
09:53.36znflooks nice
09:53.36Workfoz(at least that's what I think "Kräuterpüree" means - I doubt it's just pureed herbs. :P)
09:54.01Torhaldisallows quiescens from using his signature ever again.
09:54.25quiescensstabs torhal with a block of water
09:54.30Workfozonly retina scans allowed from now
09:54.55Torhalinflates quiescens with Jelly Babies.
09:55.02quiescensdies.
09:55.42TorhalYou can't die, quiescens; I haven't blamed you for YouTube porn yet.
09:58.03sbthere is porn on youtube?
09:58.32Torhalsb: Yes.
09:58.42sb*shocked*
09:59.19TorhalSomeone linked it in the MMO-C channel on QuakeNet. It's apparently been up since the beginning of the month. 70s story-driven stuff.
10:00.41znfI have porn on youtube
10:00.46znfsecret unlisted playlist
10:00.49znfbut I have porn
10:01.40znfhttp://i.imgur.com/p1G9dsD.png
10:01.42znf^^
10:02.18sbnot sure if i want to click this
10:02.33quiescensdon't do it
10:05.01znfsb, it's safe
10:05.21sbi see...
10:05.33sbso google knows about this
10:05.54znfunlisted
10:06.13znfthey don't review every video uploaded, you know?
10:06.19znfthey rely on community reports
10:06.19Workfozthey actually do, lol
10:06.23Workfozautomatically :O
10:06.34Workfozbut if their content ID system doesn't know the content, then, well...
10:18.54sbznf: did you upload or just search?
10:19.06znfsb, uploaded from another account :D
10:19.13sbwhy...??
10:19.22znfdidn't want to risk my account!
10:19.25sbnono
10:19.34sbwhy did you upload porn to youtube? :|
10:19.45znfmostly tested to see if it works
10:19.50znfalso, I can fap anywhere to my own porn now!
10:20.01znfhigh-quality, no time limits :D
10:20.12znfno slow network speeds :D
10:25.02winkonly because you don't live in germany
10:25.03wink:P
10:25.24winkbiggest German provider has horrible yt connectivity
10:25.28winkunless you vpn or use v6
10:25.55WorkfozI thought that was mostly solved?
10:26.02Workfozbut maybe it's because we have v6
10:26.12Workfoznev and I couldn't reproduce it when we tried a while back
10:26.34Workfozalso, the solution is to use their http proxy for yt
10:26.45winkstill shitty for me at times
10:26.53Workfozat least it worked just fine using that back when I was living at my parents' place
10:26.58winkI mostly use a socks proxy anyway because gema
10:27.13WorkfozI just curse and foster my hate for GEMA
10:27.21Workfoztoo lazy to work around their crap
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10:41.13TorhalWorkfoz: You live at someone else's parents' place now?
10:44.46winkhehe
11:06.41WorkfozTorhal: yep, yours
11:06.49WorkfozI have been hiding very well
11:07.13quiescenspoints at *foz
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11:07.20Workfozhttp://www.anandtech.com/show/8216/samsung-ssd-850-pro-128gb-256gb-1tb-review-enter-the-3d-era man what a beast. hope they make a m.2/pcie version of that while it's still relevaent
11:07.24Workfoz*relevant
11:08.06Workfozand I'm curious what the actual street prices will be like; MX100 certainly sets expectations. Can't really expect the 850 pro to be anywhere close to that, though
11:08.47FiskerStreet prices are in the post?
11:11.01Workfozwhile I live at Torhal's parents' place now, I'd prefer EU street prices
11:11.03WorkfozI'm mad like that
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11:11.47Workfozand US/Newegg prices are, well, $ and no taxes
11:18.27znf>because the stacking increases the density, allowing production costs to scale lower.
11:18.42znfwill that mean cheaper SSDs?
11:18.53Workfozin the end, yes, probably
11:19.11Workfozonly when they get competition, though ;P
11:19.31Workfoztime for food
11:19.48znfI don't really care for speed past ~300MB/s tbh
11:19.48Workfozhope they still have some of that stuff I quoted earlier :P
11:21.18znfexplain me something
11:21.26znfI'm looking at performance graphs
11:21.37znfWhy are people saying it's "a killer"?
11:22.35znfUnless I'm looking at the graphs wrong, I don't see a huge performance boost, less than 10% at a glance
11:22.37znfWhat am I missing?
11:23.55nevcairielBecause it's like #1 in everything, has supreme performance consistency, and endurance to go with it?
11:24.03nevcairielIt doesn't lack in any area
11:24.15WorkfozThis ^
11:24.17nevcairielAll others usually lack in at least one area
11:26.54nevcairielIt'll probably be quite expensive at first though
11:27.13FiskerHey nevcairiel
11:27.40FiskerIt'll apparently be the same price as the current pro's
11:27.50FiskerMaybe I should upgrade my evo
11:27.52nevcairielAnd sources said Samsung has no immediate plans for sata express, too much of a niche still etx
11:27.52znflet me know when it's under $1/GB, please
11:27.52Fisker:3
11:28.07FiskerIt already is znf?
11:28.14znfthat evo? :P
11:28.28FiskerThe pro is as well
11:28.53znfok, let me rephrase that
11:28.59znflet me know when it's 0.50€/GB
11:29.05nevcairielIts expensive, but still way below $1/GB
11:31.08znfhmmm
11:31.22znf$0.94/GB for a 840 Evo Basic here (120GB)
11:32.00znf$0.75/GB for 250GB
11:32.24nevcairielThe 120 evo is like 60€ here
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11:32.34nevcairielSo that is 0.5
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11:37.08znf:-/
11:37.27znfthe only SSDs that are cheap like that here are Kingston V30
11:37.29znfthe only SSDs that are cheap like that here are Kingston V300
11:37.33znfwhich is what I have
11:40.25Workfozznf: https://i.imgur.com/DCWcXvf.jpg
11:44.57znfBon apetit
11:48.50WorkfozTy
11:57.21sbnice, me wants :|
11:57.27sbWorkfoz: how much?
12:13.13TorhalWorkfoz: Heh
12:15.15nevcairieluh, cross-faction AHs in WoD, that might be interesting
12:23.42Fiskerhi nevcairiel
12:23.49nevcairielhi Fisker
12:24.23FiskerGonna be nice for buyers
12:25.18KalrothAnd sellers
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12:34.40Fiskernah Kalroth
12:34.42Fiskeru w0t m8?
12:38.01KalrothFisker: u rite fokin tosser fok off b4 i smack u in ur gob
12:38.15FiskerI..I sware on me mum?
12:38.22Fiskerfite me ;_;
12:38.23Kalrothya bettr
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12:43.06Workfozwelcome back, Gnarfoz
12:46.06quiescenso.o
12:46.09sbhi Gnarfoz
12:46.10FiskerI'm glad Gnarfoz is back
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12:51.00sbis it friday? :(
12:51.26Workfoznöpe :(
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12:51.32quiescens):
12:59.00sbi think quiescens works for blizzard or google!
12:59.01sbor the NSA
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13:09.33Workfozclearly the NSA
13:13.51quiescensnoes
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13:41.38WorkfozStanzilla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB2Nteh_cSI
13:43.40sbwtf
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15:51.36FiskerI wish you would get my watch on monday Stanzilla
16:34.07pompyhttp://www.tweaktown.com/news/38799/windows-threshold-is-the-next-major-os-release-landing-next-year/index.html
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17:28.03Stanzillahi
17:30.23FiskerHi
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18:10.12quiescens!
18:19.46Stanzillaznf Fisker new Docs with material design looks amazing
18:19.54Fiskergood
18:20.04FiskerI heard they will ship watches early though
18:20.08Fiskerso we should have them close to 7/7
18:31.19Stanzillacool
18:32.22Fiskerno status bar Stanzilla
18:33.03Stanzillaplease try complete sentences with context
18:33.35FiskerContext necessary for intelligent life present
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18:45.24FiskerI was sad there was no status bar color adoption
18:45.29Fiskeror whatever you'll call it
18:48.59Stanzillaah ok
18:50.48znfGive L faster
18:50.53znfNot Dev preview
18:50.54znfKthz
18:50.57znfKthx
18:52.02Fiskerpunches znf in the face
18:53.31quiescens\o/
18:54.00znf:(
18:54.02znfSo mean
18:54.17znfInstead of wishing me a happy b-day
18:54.20znf:(
18:54.24znfBut that's ok
18:54.37FiskerI don't wish people happy birthdays
18:54.41FiskerI can only hope they don't die
18:55.29znfOk
18:58.59pompyremote wipes fisker'
18:59.01pompys phone
18:59.54Gnarfozgood job
19:01.21Gnarfozalso, La mulţi ani, znf
19:01.41znfThanks Gnarfoz
19:03.51Stanzillahappy bday, znf
19:04.22znfThanks Stanzilla
19:22.26znfpizza nom nom nom
19:26.32pompyznf: happy birfday sir.
19:26.44znfthank you, gentleman
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19:47.44StanzillaGnarfoz: have you tried the new WS patch yet?
19:48.42Gnarfozwhat do you mean try? I was online during lunch for a couple of minutes to re-post stuff on the "AH"
19:49.25StanzillaI only skimmed the patch notes
19:49.36Gnarfozwell, they're quite long ^^
19:49.38Stanzillaso you can tell me all the amazing things that changed
19:50.04znfdid they flip the "more fps" switch on?
19:50.19znfand "cheaper game"?
19:51.11Gnarfozthey're still catering to players with high purchasing power, i.e. not necessarily Romanians :(
19:51.29Gnarfoz(although I guess you could get the standard edition with a discount for not *that* much)
19:52.19GnarfozI won't speak about FPS, since there's people with close or identical setups getting different results, that shit makes it really hard to draw any conclusions
19:52.39pompyhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/wordpress-plugin-with-1-7-million-downloads-puts-sites-at-risk-of-takeover/ gg
19:53.04znfchecks all his blogs
19:53.13Gnarfozs/plugin.*downloads//
19:53.31pompywhat Gnarfoz
19:53.45znfOh, geez
19:53.47znfI haz it installed
19:54.09Gnarfozpompy: I include people who have to endure Wordpress in my daily prayers ;)
19:55.01znfbut there was an update 20 hours ago
19:55.05pompyheeh
19:55.38pompyhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/anti-piracy-music-industry-site-hacked-turned-into-pirate-bay-proxy/
19:56.18znfHmmm
19:56.29znfI just remembered I have an USB-IDE adapter somewhere from an old external CD-RW
19:56.43Gnarfoznow quickly forget that before you get crazy ideas
19:56.55znfwhat crazy ideas?
19:57.02znfI don't have a sata dvd-rw :D
19:57.14znfwhen I upgraded my mobo, I didn't realize that it has no ide ports
19:57.24znfand considering I use my ODD like twice a year...
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20:18.07Gnarfozmhh yay
20:18.08GnarfozHotS invite
20:19.36znfGnarfoz, tag or key?
20:19.45Gnarfoztag
20:19.56znfthey stopped giving keys?
20:19.56Gnarfozwhere's the installer, though? :o
20:20.37Gnarfozderp, email link goes to some page that doesn't have it
20:20.40Gnarfozactual acc management does
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20:29.29StanzillaBenjamin - Welcome to the Heroes of the Storm™ Technical Alpha
20:29.30Stanzillayup
20:29.58Stanzillanow I can finally stop playing my illegal version
20:30.42znf...
20:30.57Stanzilla...
20:31.01znfchecks his account
20:31.19znfnope :(
20:31.31Stanzillawant my 2nd account to play against me?
20:31.52Stanzillawait you said you did not like MOBAs anyway
20:31.57znfyou got alpha on both? >_<
20:32.25Stanzillano like I said
20:32.38znfhow do you illegal?
20:32.50Gnarfozwasn't that single-player?
20:33.11Stanzillawell there were some ways to play the tutorials
20:34.16znfI'm /so/ tempted to change my mobile carrier
20:34.27GnarfozI like how it has both "ready to play" and optimal" at 100%
20:34.45Gnarfozi.e. nope, no playing while partially downloaded with this one
20:35.08StanzillaI only had to patch
20:35.14Stanzillabecause I forgot to do that this week
20:35.44Gnarfozlulz play button is grayed out
20:36.04Stanzillayes, maint.
20:36.14Gnarfoztimezones bleh
20:37.16znfOperation: Go Find The USB-IDE adapter
20:38.04znfthen it will be continued with "Operation: Burn some Audio CDs"
20:38.07znfAnd "Get drunk as fuck".
20:39.51Gnarfozwe approve
20:54.32znffound it!
20:58.00sbStanzilla: HotA alpha
20:58.03sbHotS
20:58.18Stanzillawelcome to the club
21:00.14sbagain, no luck i guess :D
21:04.14sbmeh, bed time
21:04.45znf2 albums on a CD! http://i.imgur.com/mkXq6cl.png
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21:15.37Stanzillalol nero
21:15.47Stanzilla2000 called
21:15.52Stanzillawants its burning programs back
21:16.12Gnarfoznero itt
21:16.33Kalrothimgburn bestburn
21:16.52znfI have them all installed
21:16.55znfI go back to Nero every time
21:16.58Gnarfozuse them all on the same disc
21:17.10znflast time I tried one of the free ones, one of them didn't want to decode a .flac
21:17.12znfno reason provided
21:17.20znfslapped the same file in nero, worked
21:17.23Kalrothyou really burn that many CDs?
21:17.27znfKalroth, no
21:17.50znfKalroth, I had to go dig around in my basement for a USB-IDE adapter
21:17.57znfmy mobo doesn't have IDE anymore
21:18.02znfand I only had one dvd-rw on IDE
21:18.22Kalrothhah
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21:23.13znfthink my dvd-rw is b0rked
21:23.23znfbuffer level keeps fluctuating between 98% and 2%
21:23.30Gnarfozwell, it's IDE.
21:23.33Gnarfozover USB, no less
21:23.36znf:D
21:23.56GnarfozI wouldn't worry about it if it's a device with buffer underflow protection
21:24.01znfI'd be impressed if this disk is actually playable
21:41.58nevcairielman, those old devices without buffer underflow protection, so many empty discs killed
21:42.12Gnarfozgood thing I went straight for SCSI
21:42.14Gnarfozno such problems
21:42.27Gnarfoz(just empty bank account)
21:42.32nevcairieli never owned any scsi device
21:45.21znfBurn Process Completed
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21:55.58StanzillaGnarfoz: up for a round of hots?
22:02.36Gnarfozstill watching this asshole football match
22:02.47Gnarfozafter 110 minutes I go take a leak and they fucking score while I'm away
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22:10.50pompycalms Gnarfoz
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22:12.09GnarfozI'm FUCKING CALM
22:12.12Gnarfoz>_> :P
22:12.32Gnarfozthere you go
22:24.08pompywow
22:25.10Gnarfozseems like not even the last ~7 minutes are safe
22:41.06nevcairielespecially the last 7 minutes are not save!
22:41.15nevcairielanyway, time to go see a baseball game
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22:43.17znfthese matches were all not safe :P
22:43.59znfmed - mex was really really weird
22:44.16znfmex was leading with 1 until minute '87
22:44.21znfthen brazil scores... twice.
22:44.42znfI'm not even a soccer fan, but that was impressive :D
22:45.33nevcairielyou are seriously mixing up teams here
22:45.34GnarfozI still remember ITA GER from 2006, 0-0 until minute 117 or so, then suddenly it was 2-0 for italy and all was lost :p
22:45.40pompynevcairiel: Twins, eh?
22:45.49nevcairielpompy: yeah
22:46.10znfnevcairiel, huh?
22:46.38nevcairielznf: you refer to the ned - mex game and then brazil scores twice?
22:46.43znferm
22:46.48znflol
22:46.56znfI mean netherlands :D
22:46.56znfhttp://i.imgur.com/KwvXlti.png
22:47.09znfI really like what google has done :D
22:47.11Stanzilla~wowalert
22:47.12purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert]
22:47.23Stanzillajebus
22:47.25nevcairieli just google for "world cup" when i want to see whats going on, its quite useful
22:47.40nevcairiel12 hour maint!
22:47.42Stanzillajust swipe to the left in the launcher
22:47.43znfyeah
22:47.49Stanzillahas all teh info
22:47.54znfI don't have that card in Google Now
22:47.55nevcairieli disabled sports stuff in my google now
22:48.04nevcairieli dont usually care :P
22:48.23znfme neither
22:48.35znfI just happened to be out with some people and they were glancing at the game
22:48.37nevcairieland the website also has info about upcoming gamesn and the group tree etc, its really nice
22:48.45znfyup
22:49.07znfso far I "got" all the games right in these quarter thingies
22:49.13znf(they're quarters, right?)
22:49.20nevcairielquarter thingies?
22:49.25znf(except Greece - Costa Rica)
22:49.33znf(fuck Greece and Costa Rica, really)
22:49.52znfOh. Crap!
22:50.00znfI forgot to bet points on this match
22:50.03nevcairielquarter finals will be next, this was round of 16 (apparently the english don't have a word for achtelfinale)
22:50.05Gnarfozthis is Round of 16, so 1/8th
22:50.26Gnarfozeighththththh finals
22:50.30znfYeah, we have "Optimi" (8 == opt)
22:50.47znfhttp://i.imgur.com/IyHQcHq.png
22:50.54znfdamn it, so pissed I forgot to put points on this :(
22:51.40znfwould have jumped like ~1000 positions in the leader board
23:00.32znfI'd really be OK with this http://i.imgur.com/Ki6snhg.jpg
23:00.32znf:D
23:01.27nevcairielwhats dalaran doing there
23:02.51Shirikdude
23:02.56Shirikthey lifted it out of the ground
23:03.05Shirikyou want them to move it far away, too?
23:03.42Shirikit's people like you that are causing the global energy crisis
23:03.48znfnevcairiel, someone shopped it :P
23:04.00znfalso, random reddit comment:
23:04.01znf>There'd be a small counter in the center of the city that ticks off every time someone takes a Flying Mount off the side of the city, forgetting that they can no longer fly.
23:17.37nevcairielthere was only one spot where you could actually jump out of the city with a mount, and it was kinda annoying to go to, so its doubtful it would happen :p
23:18.00znfroll with the joke!
23:18.05nevcairieleverything else is walled in, so without flying you can't fall off!
23:18.06chosii'm glad i get to see stuff like this on overwatch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKfafu2qkf0
23:18.22chosiwhoopsies
23:18.26chosiwrong channel!
23:18.34znfAnyway, different topic - I'm getting annoyed by all the "publicity" some franchises/venues/$whatever get for "banning google glass"
23:19.03Stanzillathere was always a wax to flay in dalaran
23:19.12nevcairielwat
23:19.15Stanzillaway
23:19.50Stanzillayou just had to play with the timer that dismounts you and abuse the tick rate + lag
23:19.54Stanzillaonce in you  could fly all the time
23:21.35znfhaxx
23:21.38znfreport!
23:22.20nevcairielshould've just flagged it in-door
23:22.53nevcairieli always like abusing lag in the shrine to fly to the armor vendor upstairs from the outside before it dismounts me :p
23:23.01Stanzillayup!
23:23.11Stanzillaand in-door would have disabled ground mounts, too
23:23.16nevcairielhm right
23:23.20nevcairielbut then dalaran wasnt that big!
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23:33.58StanzillaTorhal: what's the progress on the new packager?
23:34.08znfI wonder how could that company offer free VPN for popcorn-time
23:34.12TorhalI'm actually working on it now.
23:34.22TorhalAnd if I get asked again, I'll sacrifice quiescens.
23:34.31StanzillaTorhal: what's the progress on the new packager?
23:34.31TorhalFor science, of course.
23:34.33StanzillaTorhal: what's the progress on the new packager?
23:34.36Stanzillaalso
23:34.36Stanzillahttp://www.androidpolice.com/2014/07/01/android-l-preview-source-code-going-live-aosp-includes-support-nexus-4-5-7-2013-10/
23:34.37Stanzillayay
23:34.41znfTorhal: what's the progress on the new packager?
23:34.47TorhalYou're evil fucks.
23:34.59znfStanzilla, are you excited for Chromecast support from Popcorn Time?
23:35.04Stanzillano
23:35.10znfWhy not?
23:35.18Stanzillanever used it
23:35.30znfoh right, german
23:35.32znflegal threads
23:35.34znfthreats
23:35.55Stanzillamost threads are legal in germany though
23:36.15znfsends Stanzilla a fine for downloading torrents
23:36.16Stanzillaheheee
23:36.50znfHmm. I need to figure out how the VPN in popcorntime works
23:42.09znfHuh.
23:42.29znfThey really changed popcorn time. It used to be a local node.js "server" + a custom UI + Chrome
23:42.42znfnow it seems to be using internet explorer for rendering
23:44.52Gnarfozyou're sending him a fine? I thought you needed the money :D
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23:49.18znfCrap.
23:49.20znfMy vodka froze.
23:49.24znfThe fuck, freezer?!
23:50.46Gnarfozlol
23:50.48Gnarfozgood job
23:50.56Gnarfozor good job, vendor
23:50.59Gnarfozsold you water
23:52.31GnarfozStanzilla: apparently Samsung Magician update w/ 4 GB RAPID instead of 1 GB?
23:52.40Gnarfozdunno when that came out, I don't have a Samsung SSD
23:53.02Gnarfozbut: without: http://td4guy.fae.ro/before.png - 1GB http://td4guy.fae.ro/after.png - 4 GB http://td4guy.fae.ro/after2.png
23:53.05Gnarfozwhaaat.
23:53.21Gnarfoz(well, ok, RAM is fast. not THAT surprising. :P)
23:53.37Stanzillacame out today
23:55.54Stanzillacba to turn it off and restart to see if I can change the size :D
23:56.01znfGnarfoz, well, I did crank up the freezer to the max last week :-/
23:56.03Stanzillaalready had to restart twice for the update
23:56.10znfand vodka is only 40˚ proof
23:57.20znf>Time4Popcorn stole the entire source code we used, however they did not technically steal anything since according to @jtsiomb only one part of the code was protected.
23:57.26znfHow do you "steal" open source code?
23:57.45Gnarfoz40° proof? stop being so american
23:58.38Gnarfozand where did you find 20% abv vodka
23:59.13znferm
23:59.17znfI meant 40% :D

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