| 00:00.50 | Stanzilla | I have such a huge respect for guys like skrillex and deadmau5 |
| 00:05.35 | Gnarfoz | znf: almost double the population on almost the same area |
| 00:05.45 | Gnarfoz | however, something like 1/4th GDP ^^ |
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| 00:19.20 | znf | Gnarfoz, yeah, the GDP is what I looked at, too |
| 00:19.25 | Stanzilla | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZTCtpZyulM#t=72 |
| 00:19.27 | Stanzilla | HOLY SHIT |
| 00:19.28 | Stanzilla | dat dude |
| 00:19.29 | Stanzilla | so cool |
| 00:19.45 | Gnarfoz | dat... gema message? |
| 00:20.01 | Stanzilla | y u no proxmate |
| 00:21.11 | znf | kid's good |
| 00:21.44 | Stanzilla | wait till the end |
| 00:21.46 | Stanzilla | so cool |
| 00:22.45 | znf | holy fuck at that moonwalk :D |
| 00:23.14 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 00:25.31 | znf | man, I need a new twitter client for my browser ( |
| 00:25.31 | znf | :( |
| 00:26.01 | Stanzilla | I'm sad that metrotwit broke |
| 00:26.05 | Stanzilla | that one I liked |
| 00:26.06 | znf | does SilverBird still suck? |
| 00:26.12 | Stanzilla | never tried that |
| 00:26.30 | znf | I hate the interface of that metrotwit thing |
| 00:26.34 | znf | I don't like all those damn panels |
| 00:26.38 | Repo | skada: 03oscarucb * r551 modules/Damage.lua: fix bar maxvalue scaling for spell damage detail |
| 00:28.46 | znf | hmmm, this is new https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/twitter-for-chrome/cdoinklelehcpndgmcddkkdhibpoglnk/related |
| 00:29.24 | Stanzilla | wtb more screenshots |
| 00:30.18 | znf | nope, sucks :( |
| 00:31.59 | znf | that's a fuckin' checkbox: http://i.imgur.com/vbKStyx.png |
| 00:34.10 | Stanzilla | show more |
| 00:34.33 | znf | that's it http://i.imgur.com/V2PaqVV.png |
| 00:34.51 | Stanzilla | asa akira :D |
| 00:34.58 | znf | yes |
| 00:35.08 | znf | I like Asa Akira |
| 00:35.19 | znf | She's asian and she does anal. 2 of my favorite things in a woman! |
| 00:36.42 | znf | hmmm, I see someone updated SilverBird Plus |
| 00:38.33 | znf | I like Notifier for Twitter, but it lacks 3 things - 1. I can't resize the damn window. 2. It has no auto-complete for @usernames when I compose a new tweet. 3. There's no possible way to go to the original URL of the tweet from it's timeline thingie, so if I want to link the tweet to someone I have to do so many things |
| 00:41.19 | znf | There was an extension last year or so, but it died (when twitter changed their auth thingie) and the author has gone MIA ( |
| 00:42.54 | Stanzilla | I just dropped my tablet onto my cat :( |
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| 00:43.40 | znf | poor car |
| 00:44.04 | Stanzilla | he dodged..somewhat |
| 00:44.38 | znf | poor tablet |
| 00:44.49 | Stanzilla | YEAH |
| 00:44.55 | Stanzilla | no, cat > tablet |
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| 00:48.17 | znf | Ooooh. |
| 00:48.20 | znf | Found another one. |
| 00:48.24 | znf | This looks promising |
| 00:49.21 | znf | I don't get it. What's the deal with everyone (except SilverBird) that freakin' locks the size of the pop-up?! |
| 00:49.29 | znf | allow me to resize it, damn it! |
| 00:50.19 | znf | Aaaand... this extension hasn't been updated in a year :( |
| 00:52.27 | Repo | skadascroll: 03oscarucb * r34 Scroll.lua: fix lua error on scroll after Skada profile change |
| 00:55.06 | znf | why, Stanzilla, why? :( |
| 00:56.34 | Stanzilla | cruel world |
| 00:57.35 | Stanzilla | chrome dev updated to 37 just now btw |
| 01:03.58 | znf | that's not going to help me in my quest for a better twitter extension! |
| 01:04.17 | Stanzilla | did you try tweetdeck? |
| 01:05.15 | znf | it sucks |
| 01:06.49 | znf | I want something like Silver Bird or Notifier or "Full Client for Twitter" |
| 01:06.58 | znf | But one that does all of the things :( |
| 01:08.08 | znf | I think I'm going to try to fix Full Client for Twitter |
| 01:12.39 | Stanzilla | what's broken? |
| 01:19.50 | znf | stuff! |
| 01:19.58 | znf | Oh, right! Found the name of the client I used to use on Chrome |
| 01:20.00 | znf | Tweetings |
| 01:20.30 | znf | it was awesome :( |
| 01:20.33 | znf | It had everything |
| 01:25.50 | znf | "{"errors":[{"message":"Rate limit exceeded","code":88}]}" |
| 01:25.52 | znf | FUUU TWITTER |
| 01:30.04 | Stanzilla | that'S why so many devs give up on twitter clients |
| 01:30.09 | Stanzilla | their api is just bullshit |
| 01:49.55 | znf | I think I fixed it |
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| 01:50.35 | Repo` | skadascroll: 03oscarucb * r35 Scroll.lua: more fixes for profile changes |
| 01:56.46 | Stanzilla | pix |
| 02:01.35 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/fI7Lxbn.png |
| 02:02.11 | znf | buuut... the notification doesn't work :( |
| 02:04.13 | znf | Stanzilla, DM me something |
| 02:09.17 | znf | Meh. I fixed almost everything... Except notifications :( |
| 02:10.42 | znf | NotificationCenter not available |
| 02:19.09 | znf | if(shouldChangeOption) { |
| 02:19.17 | znf | OptionsBackend.saveOption('tweets_notification_style', 'on_page'); |
| 02:19.22 | znf | } |
| 02:19.43 | znf | ...the fuck is wrong with some people? Took me 15 minutes to figure out why the fuck that option wasn't getting saved |
| 02:22.40 | Stanzilla | what was the problem |
| 02:25.08 | znf | I'm not sure yet if that fixed it. |
| 02:27.21 | znf | can't test |
| 02:30.32 | znf | nope, that didn't work |
| 02:39.21 | quiescens | nerf znf |
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| 02:51.17 | znf | hmm |
| 02:51.24 | znf | one of the pages I manage have gotten the "new" layout |
| 02:53.31 | quiescens | a wizard did it |
| 02:53.50 | znf | ponders on deploying it |
| 03:07.21 | Stanzilla | znf: can you do me a favour? |
| 03:07.35 | znf | probably |
| 03:07.47 | Stanzilla | does https://clients2.google.com/service/update2/crx?response=redirect&x=id%3Dbepbmhgboaologfdajaanbcjmnhjmhfn%26uc work for you? |
| 03:07.59 | Stanzilla | should give you a crx |
| 03:08.31 | znf | doesn't do shit |
| 03:08.37 | Stanzilla | damn |
| 03:08.43 | Stanzilla | I need the hotword extenion as crx |
| 03:09.10 | znf | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 204 No Content |
| 03:09.20 | znf | why do you need the .crx? |
| 03:09.52 | Stanzilla | because I cant install the extension |
| 03:09.55 | Stanzilla | it's kinda hung |
| 03:10.59 | znf | well |
| 03:11.03 | znf | you broke my chrome, too :D |
| 03:11.13 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/sxSZbnG.png |
| 03:11.37 | Stanzilla | exactly that |
| 03:12.13 | quiescens | see, stan is sekretly evil o.o |
| 03:18.03 | znf | Stanzilla, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/120650/Google-Voice-Search-Hotword-%28Beta%29_v0.1.1.5019.crx |
| 03:18.17 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 03:18.20 | Stanzilla | how did you get it |
| 03:18.28 | znf | http://chrome-extension-downloader.com/ |
| 03:18.30 | znf | :> |
| 03:18.37 | Stanzilla | yeah I tried that |
| 03:18.39 | Stanzilla | and it does not work |
| 03:18.42 | Stanzilla | look at the file |
| 03:18.43 | Stanzilla | 0kb |
| 03:18.54 | znf | ow, crap |
| 03:20.03 | znf | must be broken on google's servers |
| 03:20.07 | znf | no other explanation |
| 03:26.12 | Stanzilla | znf: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=376631&thanks=376631&ts=1400815567 |
| 03:26.57 | znf | starred |
| 03:28.21 | Stanzilla | and ccleaner lost the ability to delete chrome extensions |
| 03:28.22 | Stanzilla | neat |
| 03:28.32 | znf | why did it? |
| 03:28.56 | Stanzilla | I dont know |
| 03:28.58 | Stanzilla | list is empty |
| 03:29.12 | Stanzilla | maybe chrome changed the database format |
| 03:40.48 | znf | TIL - Cats reach terminal velocity after 70feet when falling |
| 03:40.57 | Torhal | o.O |
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| 03:57.25 | quiescens | why would you need to know something like that znf |
| 03:57.46 | quiescens | are you planning on throwing cats out of planes or something |
| 03:59.54 | znf | I was just reading reddit... |
| 04:01.44 | quiescens | i think a lot of people knew cats have a non lethal terminal velocity, but why and how would you know that a cat reaches terminal velocity in 70 feet |
| 04:02.05 | quiescens | has someone been throwing cats out of a helicopter at varying heights or something |
| 04:02.06 | znf | actually it's not non-lethal |
| 04:02.25 | quiescens | well, second question stands |
| 04:02.38 | znf | it's just that, technically, considering the weight of an average cat, if it falls from above 70f, it doesn't really matter - it's injuries can't get worse |
| 04:02.56 | quiescens | has someone been throwing cats out of a helicopter most of which die, to find where its terminal velocity is |
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| 04:04.47 | quiescens | anyway, i vaguely recall it being fairly commonly believed that cats did not neccesarily die from a terminal velocity fall, but i would hope that sort of thing is not exactly thoroughly tested |
| 04:07.56 | znf | throws quiescens out of a plane and watches him meow |
| 04:09.24 | Repo | skadascroll: 03oscarucb 041.4.7 * r36 : Tagging as 1.4.7 |
| 04:10.04 | quiescens | dies. |
| 04:11.39 | znf | aaaaand |
| 04:11.42 | znf | ofcourse it's raining |
| 04:11.56 | znf | every time I wash my car... |
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| 04:15.40 | znf | screw it, I'll go to sleep |
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| 07:23.29 | sb | morning |
| 07:24.40 | Xuerian | o/ |
| 07:27.22 | quiescens | moo |
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| 07:40.07 | chiel | Stanzilla: i'm pretty sure that MJ dude from the youtube video you linked during the night drowned in pussy after that. |
| 07:41.38 | sb | ewww - GEMA, not available in your country and stuff |
| 07:42.45 | chiel | morning |
| 07:42.48 | chiel | was reading backlog :p |
| 07:47.34 | sb | woah |
| 07:47.35 | sb | https://twitter.com/WarcraftLogs/status/469633812377645056 |
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| 07:50.09 | sb | so znf, hows AMR combatlog? |
| 07:56.49 | chiel | sb: that's pretty awesome |
| 08:07.20 | chiel | soooo to repeat my question from last night... does anyone know if oUF has support for chi power? i can't seem to found it |
| 08:07.27 | chiel | i could've sworn it had it... but can't find it now |
| 08:13.44 | nevcairiel | chiel: the power element can display alt-power, but not sure how you would show both at the same time |
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| 08:32.55 | chiel | nevcairiel: it's not altpower though |
| 08:33.06 | chiel | chi is just a separate resource, like combo points |
| 08:33.15 | chiel | i checked the combo points file, but it was not in there |
| 08:33.34 | chiel | the thing is, when i previously made my layout i was so sure that there was chi... but i did make my own chi display once, so perhaps i am going crazy |
| 08:33.44 | chiel | otherwise i may just have to add it and pull request it |
| 08:33.48 | quiescens | crazeh |
| 08:34.25 | quiescens | you're probably seeing things |
| 08:36.10 | quiescens | dies. |
| 08:37.01 | chiel | quiescens: you die a lot. |
| 08:37.16 | chiel | but i'm looking at https://github.com/haste/oUF/tree/master/elements, and i cannot find chi power there |
| 08:37.52 | sb | Workfoz: http://www.golem.de/news/ungedrosselt-internet-provider-bietet-symmetrische-1-gbit-s-fuer-53-euro-1405-106667.html |
| 08:42.52 | nevcairiel | chiel: seems like most other people implement it themself using a "Orb" like display for these kind of powers, monk isn't the only one, warlocks, paladins, and probably more, have stuff like that as well |
| 08:44.37 | chiel | nevcairiel: aye, that's why i was kinda weirded out that it wasn't there :p |
| 08:45.16 | nevcairiel | i remember why i stopped bothering, so much effort |
| 08:45.54 | sb | Workfoz: also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bYMAgM42pM |
| 08:46.03 | Workfoz | sb: yeah, that was the talk in our office yesterday |
| 08:46.04 | chiel | nevcairiel: :D |
| 08:46.17 | Workfoz | but it's in switzerland, so who really cares... :D |
| 08:46.17 | chiel | i just thought.. since there's combo points, there should be chi :p |
| 08:47.05 | Workfoz | I like the " Man wolle die Leute nicht gängeln, sondern etwas Vernünftiges bieten." part |
| 08:47.08 | nevcairiel | combo points work differently in the API |
| 08:47.15 | nevcairiel | well at least they did until WoD |
| 08:47.21 | Workfoz | really? a worthwhile product? apparently, that's not everyone's goal :D |
| 08:47.26 | nevcairiel | since they are target bound |
| 08:47.39 | nevcairiel | they might shove it into the defautl API with WoD when the target binding goes away |
| 08:47.39 | sb | Workfoz: just helping to keep you distracted from work |
| 08:47.46 | Workfoz | fair enough |
| 08:47.47 | Workfoz | :D |
| 08:48.22 | nevcairiel | also chiel, CPs are way older! |
| 08:48.30 | Xuerian | ... |
| 08:48.32 | nevcairiel | secondary power is a rather new concept :p |
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| 08:48.50 | nevcairiel | like, two expansions or three! |
| 08:49.02 | Xuerian | I'm just twelve and it was funny |
| 08:49.44 | sb | i need help! :P |
| 08:50.05 | sb | any ideas what we could use for internal communication? (aka chat :D) |
| 08:50.13 | nevcairiel | we used xmpp |
| 08:50.28 | sb | should be available from outside |
| 08:50.29 | nevcairiel | had a standard client we offered everyone, but in the end it was just xmpp |
| 08:50.55 | nevcairiel | well thats up to you to make the server reachable :p |
| 08:50.57 | sb | we had this :D (openfire+whatever their client is called, spark?) |
| 08:51.10 | nevcairiel | yeah spark is what we used as the default client |
| 08:51.14 | nevcairiel | but some people used others |
| 08:51.16 | sb | nevcairiel: no, its not - stupid admin "no, we dont allow anything! also we need this stupid proxy!" |
| 08:51.49 | chiel | nevcairiel: yea, i just recall making a chi display, so maybe that's why i was confused... but i could've sworn i looked at oUF's code for it at the time :p |
| 08:51.53 | chiel | haste: ping? :D |
| 08:52.25 | nevcairiel | sb: well either server on the inside and you need to get external connection in, or stuff on the outside and you need to get connections out, but with the proxy that sounds like something thats not going to work either :D |
| 08:52.49 | nevcairiel | sb: so, get everyone an irccloud account and chat on irc over website! |
| 08:53.00 | chiel | but yea, seems it doesn't have holy power either |
| 08:53.05 | chiel | or orbs |
| 08:53.09 | chiel | or soul shards |
| 08:53.15 | chiel | so maybe those just need to be implemented? |
| 08:53.25 | Xuerian | chiel: Maybe it'll improve your stature to implement it yourself? |
| 08:53.25 | nevcairiel | write a new secondary power element and contribute it! |
| 08:53.38 | chiel | Xuerian: aye, i am planning to pull request it :) |
| 08:54.03 | chiel | it just seems like the kinda thing that would belong in oUF, right? |
| 08:54.25 | chiel | (had to look up wtf stature meant :p) |
| 08:55.06 | Repo | atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik * r4293 / (10 files in 4 directories): - added Timeless Isle rare mobs |
| 08:55.07 | Repo | - added support for 4 times upgradeable items |
| 08:55.42 | Xuerian | :p |
| 08:56.23 | Repo | atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik * r4294 Documentation/Release_Notes.txt: - changelog update |
| 08:56.25 | nevcairiel | As long as you write the element decently, ie follow the oUF spirit and only implement a "controller", leaving the presentation up to the layout |
| 08:56.36 | nevcairiel | i'm sure haste will accept it |
| 08:56.58 | chiel | yes |
| 08:57.09 | sb | nevcairiel: thinking about skype... but... meh :D |
| 08:57.17 | chiel | if i pull request stuff i always stay in the coding style of the project |
| 08:57.20 | chiel | or try to, at least :p |
| 08:57.38 | chiel | i implemented my stagger bar yesterday though, but i did notice a weird bug with it |
| 08:58.09 | nevcairiel | are all these secondary power types orb-like, i mean, you get a max of ~5 and get them one at a time, etc? |
| 08:58.30 | chiel | if i /reloaded whilst in stance of the sturdy ox it wouldn't display properly, it would just be a full-value white bar... but switching to tiger and back to ox fixes it |
| 08:58.36 | chiel | so i'll have to take a look at that, too |
| 08:58.46 | nevcairiel | sounds like a missing event |
| 08:58.47 | chiel | nevcairiel: well in the case of chi at least you can get them 2 at a time, as well |
| 08:58.50 | chiel | yea |
| 08:58.53 | chiel | that was my thought too |
| 08:58.57 | Timmeh | chiel: where's your UI showoff? |
| 08:59.14 | chiel | but i looked at the code and it did have PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 08:59.24 | chiel | Timmeh: meh, i am just working on a player UF atm |
| 08:59.30 | chiel | didn't even bother with target frame yet :D |
| 09:00.23 | nevcairiel | chiel: well the important question was if its always a rather lowe number in max, say < 10, and if representing them as orbs or dots/points (similar to CPs) makes sense for all of them, that would help to decide how to build it |
| 09:00.35 | chiel | Timmeh: but it's here: https://github.com/chielkunkels/oUF_Aelen :p |
| 09:00.37 | nevcairiel | ie. not as a status bar, but similar to CPs as an array of dots |
| 09:00.56 | chiel | nevcairiel: yes, all of them are orb-like, in that sense |
| 09:01.06 | chiel | so i was thinking of taking the same approach as with CP |
| 09:01.19 | chiel | just setting a property which is an array of frames |
| 09:02.04 | chiel | but yes, they're not represented as a value, as swuch |
| 09:02.07 | chiel | as such * |
| 09:02.20 | Timmeh | chiel: where are the screenshots :-P |
| 09:02.22 | chiel | at least in the case of chi. i think holy power, soul shards and shadow orbs follow the same rules |
| 09:02.23 | Timmeh | that's not much of a showoff! |
| 09:02.31 | chiel | hehe |
| 09:02.44 | chiel | didn't bother with screenshot yet, don't have a chi display yet ^^ |
| 09:02.56 | Timmeh | hah ok |
| 09:03.25 | chiel | fixed stagger somewhat though, but there's a bug in oUF, as i described above |
| 09:03.39 | chiel | at least, i am fairly certain it's in oUF and not in my code, since my code is... dead-basic |
| 09:03.51 | chiel | https://github.com/chielkunkels/oUF_Aelen/blob/master/aelen.lua#L78-L82 |
| 09:04.06 | sb | fix it in oUF then :p |
| 09:04.11 | chiel | yes, i intend to :p |
| 09:04.16 | chiel | but i was running LFRs yesterday |
| 09:04.39 | chiel | the stagger bar made a nice difference when it came to deciding to use purifying brew and my general chi-spending |
| 09:04.42 | chiel | so that was nice ^^ |
| 09:04.56 | chiel | once i have the chi display i can remove some of my weakauras |
| 09:05.32 | sb | oh, i need to give you my realid - but still no idea what we are going to do on monday (old achievement stuff or alt flex raid) :p |
| 09:06.20 | chiel | you can add me on battlenet if you want, i'm aelen#2547 |
| 09:06.35 | sb | i'm at work! :p |
| 09:06.41 | chiel | i'm generally up for doing stuff, not too fussed what :) |
| 09:06.42 | chiel | hehe |
| 09:06.46 | chiel | me too |
| 09:07.51 | nevcairiel | chiel: I think you can fix it in your own code by hiding the bar on creation, so that you force the module to show and update it when it thinks its needed |
| 09:07.58 | nevcairiel | but the stagger module is a bit weird |
| 09:09.09 | chiel | nevcairiel: yea i have not looked into the details yet |
| 09:09.21 | chiel | for now i just fix it by changing stance when i log in |
| 09:09.29 | chiel | but i'll have a closer look during the weekend i think |
| 09:10.49 | nevcairiel | the init code is never run properly if the bar is visible on login, as its usually only run when the visibility changes |
| 09:11.00 | nevcairiel | dumb code is dumb |
| 09:11.19 | Timmeh | nevcairiel, insulting code since 2014 |
| 09:11.28 | nevcairiel | i've been doing that far longer |
| 09:12.21 | chiel | nevcairiel: ah, that explains it then |
| 09:12.41 | chiel | i'll have a look tonight or at the weekend ^^ |
| 09:12.52 | Timmeh | chiel: we have to figure out that new PC thing |
| 09:12.52 | Timmeh | ! |
| 09:12.54 | chiel | so basically the initial state is never set properly.. meh |
| 09:13.00 | chiel | Timmeh: yea, i get paid on monday :p |
| 09:13.03 | Timmeh | heh |
| 09:13.36 | Timmeh | bleh! |
| 09:13.44 | Timmeh | currently fixing my Promise implementation |
| 09:13.44 | nevcairiel | for fixing it in the stagger module, the ForceUpdate function should probably be smarter |
| 09:13.47 | chiel | so annoying too, my cracked version of windows is starting to complain. i installed it on GPT this time, and the activation crack does not work then, haha |
| 09:13.57 | Timmeh | well, bringing it up to the latest ES6 draft |
| 09:14.20 | chiel | nevcairiel: i have no idea. i guess i can have a look at the health/power modules to see how they do it there, no? |
| 09:14.24 | chiel | Timmeh: superhappyfuntimes |
| 09:14.39 | chiel | i've actually considered buying a legal version of windows.. :o |
| 09:15.00 | nevcairiel | its not all that expensive anymore, just grab a OEM version from some reseller for €50 |
| 09:15.08 | Timmeh | chiel: so first you choose a Macbook Air, then you say you want to get Arch Linux instead, and now you want to buy a Windows |
| 09:15.11 | Timmeh | o.o |
| 09:15.20 | Timmeh | chiel: what's next? |
| 09:15.30 | chiel | Timmeh: windows for at home of course :p |
| 09:15.40 | chiel | nevcairiel: yea, i was thinking that... beats all the fucking issues |
| 09:16.02 | Workfoz | sb: lulz, "proxy ALL the things" and "nooo outside stuff", but then you consider Skype... nice. |
| 09:16.04 | chiel | really don't want windows 8 though... but oh well, i just use it for gaming, how bad could it be? |
| 09:16.13 | Timmeh | does the Battle.net launcher + updating work fine with wine, actually? |
| 09:16.15 | nevcairiel | i'm happy with 8.1 now |
| 09:16.17 | Timmeh | WoW works without issues |
| 09:16.19 | Workfoz | 8.1u1 is gerat chiel |
| 09:16.28 | chiel | since they put the start bar back in? |
| 09:16.31 | chiel | or taskbar, or whatever |
| 09:16.35 | Workfoz | taskbar was never gone |
| 09:16.40 | chiel | yea ok |
| 09:16.46 | chiel | but i mean, back to "old windows" style |
| 09:16.47 | Workfoz | the start menu-/screen you get used to in a matter of hours, really |
| 09:16.49 | Timmeh | start button was, guess that's what you mean |
| 09:17.00 | Workfoz | start button leads to start screen, though, so |
| 09:17.09 | nevcairiel | 8 was a bit annoying, but with 8.1 it works much better again. I still run a third-party start menu, but shrug thats just me |
| 09:17.11 | Workfoz | what really makes the difference is all the "default to desktop" options |
| 09:17.11 | Timmeh | right-click it for a quick menu though |
| 09:17.14 | Timmeh | so that part is fine |
| 09:17.27 | Timmeh | but I tried it for a day in a VM, I couldn't quite get used to it still |
| 09:17.56 | Timmeh | the desktop "app" and everything in it works fine, but the "metro" apps, meh, just make it confusing to me |
| 09:18.01 | chiel | well all i need, i guess, is to just start battle.net + chrome + spotify |
| 09:18.04 | chiel | and then i'm done :D |
| 09:18.10 | Workfoz | make sure to check on those, they're accessible via right-click on the taskbar/properties |
| 09:18.12 | Workfoz | Timmeh: when experimenting with it in a VM, you're probably paying way more attention to the things that are different than you would if you were actually using it... |
| 09:18.13 | chiel | though... i do use the github app (which is still fucking weird) |
| 09:18.29 | nevcairiel | Timmeh: you can just choose to never use any of the metro apps :D |
| 09:18.34 | Workfoz | also, there is exactly zero reason or necessity to use any metro apps, ever |
| 09:18.34 | chiel | i don't like using the gui, but yesterday i discovered that the "git bash" thing does have vim \o/ |
| 09:18.45 | Timmeh | Workfoz: that's why I tried it for a whole day, I actually used it, rather than just checking things out |
| 09:18.56 | chiel | should figure out how to get my dotfiles into the git bash thing though |
| 09:19.35 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: I tried, but then some apps list themselves with the metro apps while they're desktop apps, and others do it the other way round.. either Chrome or Firefox did that.. (obviously not technically Microsoft's fault, but still) |
| 09:20.23 | Timmeh | but if I spend time to organise my own start screen, rather than using the programs list, maybe that'd work |
| 09:20.59 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont even use the start screen, but a third party old-school start menu, since i dont like change! :P |
| 09:21.06 | Timmeh | heh |
| 09:21.31 | Timmeh | I still do believe the start screen just doesn't work for a mouse/keyboard PC, but I can see how it's very nice on a touchscreen |
| 09:21.51 | nevcairiel | its better in 8.1 as you are much more flexible on how to organize it |
| 09:21.59 | nevcairiel | in 8 it was a n ightmare |
| 09:22.12 | Timmeh | right, it was 8.1 I tried, since the start button was in the desktop app :-P |
| 09:22.46 | Timmeh | the having apps side-by-side was quite annoying as well |
| 09:23.01 | Timmeh | I accidentallied a metro app next to the desktop app at one point, and it reorganised all my desktop icons -.- |
| 09:23.15 | Timmeh | (and didn't put them back) |
| 09:24.03 | sb | Workfoz: huh? |
| 09:24.05 | sb | i dont get it |
| 09:24.11 | sb | skype works fine with proxy |
| 09:24.18 | sb | also its available from everywhere without vpn |
| 09:36.34 | Workfoz | sb: duh |
| 09:36.46 | Workfoz | sb: it's a US company |
| 09:37.03 | Workfoz | the implication being "lolno none of those you suggest because privacy! security!" |
| 09:37.10 | Workfoz | "ok let's do everything via some US company" |
| 09:39.58 | chiel | i should have a closer look at oUF's elements... see how they're built up, as i understand it there's like 3 main functions |
| 09:40.22 | chiel | Path, Enable, Disable... and then i guess the oUF core calls those functions |
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| 09:40.45 | Workfoz | Timmeh: your experience sounds really weird and just like what I said... you were testing stuff you wouldn't ever use if you were using it as a desktop OS |
| 09:41.20 | Workfoz | side-by-side apps is a metro thing, why would you use that (and then complain :D) |
| 09:41.33 | Timmeh | I accidentallied it! |
| 09:41.53 | Workfoz | just install the 5 or so metro apps that are installed by default, unpin the rest from start, done |
| 09:42.29 | Workfoz | make sure to check taskbar properties (where for some reason, most of the 8.1 and 8.1u1 options are) to set everything the way it makes the most sense to you |
| 09:42.29 | Timmeh | right |
| 09:42.36 | Workfoz | *uninstall, damnit |
| 09:42.37 | Workfoz | lol |
| 09:42.42 | Timmeh | yea, figured as much |
| 09:42.47 | Workfoz | you so smrt |
| 09:42.49 | Workfoz | I like you |
| 09:42.52 | Timmeh | >_> |
| 09:42.56 | Workfoz | :D |
| 09:43.04 | Workfoz | meh, work work |
| 09:43.06 | chiel | haha |
| 09:43.10 | Workfoz | it's Friday, people, come oN! |
| 09:43.27 | chiel | yea, no work is getting done today, just sayin |
| 09:43.28 | Workfoz | "why is db slow? pls make fast!" gtfo |
| 09:43.38 | chiel | hahaha |
| 09:43.40 | chiel | 1g pls |
| 09:43.42 | chiel | pls |
| 09:43.43 | chiel | 1g |
| 09:43.45 | chiel | pls |
| 09:43.48 | Timmeh | o.o why is the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 more expensive than the Galaxy Tab 3 7.0 and just as expensive as the Galaxy Tab 4 7.0, in Samsung's own webshop? o.o |
| 09:44.01 | Workfoz | I know some of those words |
| 09:44.01 | chiel | because fuck logic |
| 09:44.04 | chiel | and also because fuck you |
| 09:44.08 | chiel | :D |
| 09:45.43 | sb | Workfoz: so - is there something non-us company (!= self hosted) for this purpose? |
| 09:45.56 | Workfoz | no idea, was just a remark |
| 09:46.20 | Workfoz | skype is actually p2p, but as history shows, they do have some way to intercept your communication regardless (no idea how that works) |
| 09:47.40 | chiel | i just they would fix skype synching across devices |
| 09:48.24 | sb | intesting |
| 09:48.28 | sb | do you know https://jitsi.org/? |
| 09:50.04 | sb | oh, its xmpp |
| 09:53.44 | Workfoz | great, I can't access that page |
| 09:53.49 | Workfoz | just like mediacrush |
| 09:55.48 | sb | Workfoz: why did you stop scrobbling? |
| 09:56.00 | Workfoz | who says I did? |
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| 09:56.47 | Workfoz | I probably just didn't listen to anything using players that support it |
| 09:57.29 | Workfoz | i.e. haven't listened to stuff at work for a while, watched videos/stuff/played WS with music on/etc at home, phone-in-the-car is the only thing I really listened to the last days - and that doesn't do scrobbling :\ |
| 09:57.52 | Workfoz | or it's broken. but probably the other things.^^ |
| 10:01.50 | quiescens | workfoz is always slacking at work o.o |
| 10:02.05 | bluspacecow | *noms quiescens* |
| 10:02.09 | quiescens | dies. |
| 10:03.39 | bluspacecow | *continues nomming* |
| 10:05.17 | Workfoz | yeah I get distracted easily :p |
| 10:06.53 | nebula169 | when do ts cds reset? |
| 10:07.33 | nevcairiel | midnight |
| 10:07.49 | nevcairiel | unless they changed it once again |
| 10:08.02 | nevcairiel | otherwise its 3am |
| 10:08.18 | chiel | nevcairiel: you mentioned about the stagger forceupdate thingy, what exactly is wrong there? |
| 10:08.42 | quiescens | everything! |
| 10:08.58 | chiel | how does oUF use the ForceUpdate thing? |
| 10:09.02 | nevcairiel | well its a bit complicated, forceupdate should always execute a update, but it just calls this VisibilityPath function which doesn't actually act except if visibility changes |
| 10:09.47 | chiel | hrm |
| 10:10.01 | nebula169 | yea, apparently it resets with dailies now, could have sworn it was midnight |
| 10:10.02 | chiel | ok... so the code in the stagger element is kinda fundamentally broken? :D |
| 10:10.08 | chiel | what is ts? |
| 10:10.11 | chiel | titansteel? |
| 10:10.14 | nevcairiel | tradeskill |
| 10:10.17 | chiel | oh right |
| 10:10.21 | chiel | yes, always with dailies |
| 10:10.22 | chiel | at 3am |
| 10:10.22 | nevcairiel | so yes, titansteel |
| 10:10.22 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 10:10.26 | chiel | haha |
| 10:10.47 | nevcairiel | apparently it changed in 5.1, before it was midnight |
| 10:11.06 | chiel | yeah i recall that |
| 10:11.13 | chiel | but it's been 3am for so long now i didn't even think about it |
| 10:11.16 | quiescens | in my day it was just an actual time since last use thingy o.o |
| 10:11.25 | nevcairiel | quiescens: but that was annoying |
| 10:11.27 | chiel | i guess it makes sense though, so you only have to keep one reset in mind |
| 10:11.35 | nevcairiel | since the time actually moved ahead a bit every day |
| 10:11.37 | chiel | yeah, now it doesn't really matter when you log on, so to speak |
| 10:11.40 | nevcairiel | since you didnt recast on the spot exactly |
| 10:11.44 | chiel | or when you do it |
| 10:12.05 | quiescens | i was lazy and rarely used it on cooldown anyway |
| 10:12.11 | quiescens | o.o |
| 10:12.28 | nevcairiel | if you tried to do it on cooldown, you had to skip a day at some point to reset the cd back to more manageable times |
| 10:13.52 | quiescens | all the timer resetting thingies that happen at a time of day used to happen mid evening/early night for me |
| 10:14.09 | quiescens | ): |
| 10:14.21 | chiel | yea, cause the cd was like 20 or 22 hours or something, right? |
| 10:14.36 | quiescens | i think they were literally 24 at the start |
| 10:14.44 | chiel | i think the system they have now is much better, and it's pretty much the "intended use" |
| 10:14.51 | chiel | i.e., once a day |
| 10:15.24 | chiel | i need to farm some ethereal shards.. i have non left :D |
| 10:15.31 | nevcairiel | chiel: line 122 in stagger.lua should just add a `or event == "ForceUpdate"´ to force an update in that case |
| 10:15.31 | chiel | cause i'm making a sha crystal every day |
| 10:15.54 | quiescens | we used to be running things and wondering what happens if the timers reset while we're in an instance, whether we counted as yesterday or today |
| 10:16.09 | chiel | ah k, i'll test than then i get home :) |
| 10:16.52 | quiescens | eventually we ended up on an oceanic server where the timer resets happened at more appropriate times, but maintenance still usually started at like 6pm and went to 2am |
| 10:17.00 | quiescens | or similar |
| 10:17.21 | quiescens | oceanic servers being, US servers that have their timezone set to +1000 |
| 10:17.27 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 10:17.45 | chiel | is ForceUpdate generally executed at load time of an element to set initial state then? |
| 10:19.57 | chiel | or well.. i guess oUF just calls the Enable initially |
| 10:20.34 | nevcairiel | hm, maybe it doesn't function like i expected it to |
| 10:20.35 | chiel | which sets initial state... and then Path, which will either call the Override function that was set, or the built-in Update |
| 10:20.50 | nevcairiel | I cant find any place that would call ForceUpdate |
| 10:21.00 | chiel | well no worries, i will make the chi element first, so i get a better understanding of how oUF does things |
| 10:21.11 | quiescens | go to sleep o.o |
| 10:21.32 | chiel | it's 12:20pm here... :p |
| 10:21.44 | nevcairiel | it calls the update function at the very least |
| 10:21.52 | nevcairiel | which is the function you put into the AddElement call |
| 10:21.56 | chiel | yea |
| 10:22.18 | quiescens | maybe its 12am and you're looking at your clock wrong |
| 10:22.18 | chiel | i saw that, except the cpoint module puts the Path function there, so you can override the update |
| 10:22.21 | chiel | hehe |
| 10:22.23 | chiel | maybe, maybe |
| 10:22.41 | quiescens | best to sleep just in case |
| 10:22.47 | chiel | totally |
| 10:23.06 | chiel | i wonder why oUF has a need for the update function though, since you register events etc yourself |
| 10:23.16 | chiel | i guess i could look in the core to find out, but too lazy atm :p |
| 10:23.16 | nevcairiel | might just remove the IsShown check, it seems rather superflous anyway, VisibilityPath is not a function that gets called a lot |
| 10:23.34 | nevcairiel | the core handles basic generic events |
| 10:23.44 | nevcairiel | but of course it doesnt know which special events every element needs |
| 10:24.01 | chiel | nevcairiel: yea i'll have a dig through the stagger module later or in the weekend, shouldn't be all that hard to figure out, i suppose :) |
| 10:24.08 | chiel | ah, fair enough |
| 10:24.21 | chiel | i guess it would be worthwhile to check which events it already takes care of, then |
| 10:24.52 | nevcairiel | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD at the very least, and also stuff like vehicle changes and pet changes |
| 10:25.05 | nevcairiel | and GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE for group/raid frames |
| 10:26.22 | chiel | yep |
| 10:26.26 | chiel | just checked the source |
| 10:27.47 | chiel | the sauce! |
| 10:28.57 | nevcairiel | mmm sauce |
| 10:32.22 | chiel | ahhhhhh motherfucker |
| 10:32.24 | chiel | found the chi |
| 10:32.28 | chiel | https://github.com/chielkunkels/oUF/blob/master/elements/classicons.lua |
| 10:32.31 | chiel | motherfucking classicons |
| 10:32.48 | chiel | i fucking knew it |
| 10:32.57 | chiel | i kneeeeew i had seen the bloody things in oUF before |
| 10:33.23 | chiel | man i'm stupid |
| 10:33.30 | chiel | ok well, time for lunch :p |
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| 10:48.41 | Workfoz | oh, they're copying Wildstar's tradeskill bag in WoD? nice |
| 10:49.35 | Workfoz | oh and FXAA |
| 10:49.48 | Workfoz | not that I find that particularily useful in an engine that can support MSAA |
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| 10:55.43 | nevcairiel | MSAA has issues with transparency, so I always had to turn on transparency supersampling, and that eats performance like mad |
| 10:56.00 | nevcairiel | if FXAA looks properly, it might be a fast alternative |
| 10:56.21 | chiel | tradeskill bag? they have that in gw2, as well |
| 10:56.42 | nevcairiel | also, whats new about the tradeskill bag? i know shit about wildstar, or gw2 for that matter :p |
| 10:56.48 | chiel | the nice in gw2 is that you can deposit your tradeskill shit from anywhere in the word with a "deposit collectables" button :) |
| 10:57.00 | chiel | basically it's a separate bank, next to your regular one |
| 10:57.05 | nevcairiel | all i heard is that you can craft from the bank now |
| 10:57.07 | chiel | where you can only put raw crafting mats |
| 10:57.18 | chiel | at least, that's how i understood it |
| 10:58.03 | Workfoz | sb: Check out @CRB_Bronn's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CRB_Bronn/status/469790181399080960 |
| 10:58.26 | chiel | y so german |
| 10:59.08 | sb | meh |
| 10:59.17 | Timmeh | I'm tempted to try wildstar :-( but no taim, and WoW is enough time consuming |
| 10:59.19 | nevcairiel | yeah should just decide spontanously, and not pick the one realm everyone is crowding now :p |
| 10:59.24 | Workfoz | because that's Wildstar's German community manager |
| 10:59.47 | sb | nevcairiel: problem when coordinating different sets of ppl :/ |
| 10:59.49 | Workfoz | I haven't actually read the thread that link leads to |
| 11:00.26 | nevcairiel | he practically says that many guilds seem to fix on ithika, and they expect queues, so it would be wise to stay flexible as new DE-PvE realms will be announced next week most likely |
| 11:00.38 | nevcairiel | ikthia* |
| 11:01.18 | Workfoz | Well, no shit, what a useless post then |
| 11:01.26 | Workfoz | :D |
| 11:01.34 | nevcairiel | well apparently sb wanted to do the same |
| 11:01.34 | sb | Workfoz: so... ithika or the other one? :p |
| 11:01.51 | chiel | Workfoz: do you remember where you saw that stuff about the tradeskill bag stuff? |
| 11:01.57 | nevcairiel | wait for the final realm list? :p |
| 11:02.05 | Workfoz | MMOC, chi |
| 11:02.11 | Workfoz | Damit irccloud |
| 11:02.17 | Timmeh | hah, you just called him chi |
| 11:02.21 | Workfoz | chiel: |
| 11:02.23 | chiel | :p |
| 11:02.25 | chiel | ta |
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| 11:02.34 | chiel | need to dig back and see what it is again |
| 11:02.49 | Timmeh | chiel: no, it's a tradeskill bag |
| 11:02.52 | Timmeh | chiel: not a dick bag |
| 11:03.10 | Workfoz | Irccloud name pop-up doesn't react to touching the whole suggestion box if there's only one suggestion... You still have to hit the name |
| 11:03.25 | Timmeh | boo irccloud~! |
| 11:04.03 | Workfoz | sb: what nevcairiel said... There's no reliable list, yet, and so far we only have one each of pve, pvp, rp |
| 11:05.04 | Timmeh | I think the concept of PvE-RP is weird. if you're RPing, you better hate the other faction and kill them as well! |
| 11:05.16 | Timmeh | but that's an entirely unrelated point |
| 11:05.20 | Workfoz | Timmeh: why? The concept could of course be replicated by other means (I'm running irssiproxy for my regular connection, for example), but I like their Android app and the web interface a lot |
| 11:05.41 | nevcairiel | Timmeh: however, RP-PvP realms have always been ghost towns |
| 11:05.42 | Timmeh | Workfoz: I was booing that it didn't do what you wanted it to do :-P |
| 11:05.48 | Timmeh | Workfoz: I have no other opinion on the matter |
| 11:05.54 | Workfoz | Timmeh: nothing is stopping you from flagging yourself for pvp |
| 11:06.05 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: hm |
| 11:06.42 | nevcairiel | Many RPer might prefer to simply RP through the world without risk of death all the time |
| 11:06.59 | Timmeh | yea, I realise that |
| 11:07.02 | Workfoz | Oh, yeah. It's just a minor irritation... SwiftKey suggests one thing, irccloud another, I try and use irccloud's, but I end up sending the partially typed name instead |
| 11:07.47 | Timmeh | but the concept in itself is a bit weird, when I think of RP, the faction PvP part kinda belongs to that. but I totally understand the practical problems :-P |
| 11:08.01 | Workfoz | There should be a way for apps to add auto-complete suggestions to the keyboard's list of suggestions |
| 11:08.09 | Workfoz | That'd be awesome |
| 11:08.21 | Timmeh | Workfoz: build it! with a good API! |
| 11:08.25 | Timmeh | Workfoz: you'd make a lot of people happy I'm sure |
| 11:08.26 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: indeed, i would love nickname completion through build-in keyboard |
| 11:08.32 | Timmeh | totally |
| 11:08.53 | Workfoz | Open world pvp doesn't really exist anyway, it's just random ganking... Gets old rather fast |
| 11:09.12 | Workfoz | If SwiftKey was open source... |
| 11:09.34 | Timmeh | auto suggest is just a different way of adding input, so it makes sense for it to be done by and through the same input UI |
| 11:10.10 | Workfoz | Keyboards implementing the list of auto-completes themselves would be a hurdle. At the same time, it's what even makes SwiftKey really possible |
| 11:10.52 | Workfoz | I guess you could suggest it to keyboard authors, to make an API available |
| 11:10.53 | Timmeh | I just use a keyboard without any kind of autocomplete myself, but if it'd work with suggestions from the app you're using it for, it'd totally be something I'd use |
| 11:11.18 | Workfoz | Then you'd end up with apps that have explicit support for keyboard x, y but not z |
| 11:11.34 | Timmeh | yea, it'd have to be an API people agree on >_> |
| 11:11.34 | nevcairiel | yeah the OS would have to provide an API for it to work |
| 11:11.37 | Timmeh | could be done by the OS <_< |
| 11:11.39 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: yea |
| 11:12.25 | Workfoz | That's the problem... Moving that to the OS would take away functionality keyboard apps rely on... It'd somehow have to be "extra" |
| 11:13.04 | bluspacecow | *is still nomming quiescens* |
| 11:13.08 | bluspacecow | there’s so much to go around! |
| 11:13.10 | Workfoz | Currently, what happens is that when I use irccloud's auto-complete, SwiftKey just learns that as a new word, so next time it'll probably be in its own list |
| 11:13.18 | nevcairiel | Android could just define a standard interface to offer a list of extra suggestions |
| 11:13.25 | Workfoz | bluspacecow: are you calling him fat? |
| 11:13.26 | Timmeh | bluspacecow: you should just take bigger noms |
| 11:13.26 | nevcairiel | without taking over the suggestion implementation |
| 11:13.41 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: yeah, like that |
| 11:14.57 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: indeed |
| 11:15.28 | Timmeh | and keyboards could then have settings for "all automcomplete", "suggestions only", "autocomplete only" |
| 11:15.31 | Timmeh | and everyone would be happy |
| 11:16.03 | nevcairiel | suggestions only might be crazy, as it might then auto-correct your normal words into all sorts of crazy nick names |
| 11:16.24 | Timmeh | well, I guess that shouldn't auto-correct :-P |
| 11:16.32 | chiel | Timmeh: lolol >_> |
| 11:16.41 | chiel | trying to find it on mmo champion |
| 11:16.48 | nevcairiel | I didnt find anything either |
| 11:16.52 | nevcairiel | Workfoz be lying |
| 11:17.03 | Timmeh | Liefoz |
| 11:17.35 | nevcairiel | the only change I remember reading was that you can craft with mats in your bank in the future |
| 11:18.51 | Timmeh | I remember that as well, yea |
| 11:19.58 | chiel | nah, i recall reasing about it |
| 11:20.03 | chiel | that you kinda get a second bank thing |
| 11:22.17 | Workfoz | first point in the bullet list |
| 11:22.19 | Workfoz | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/4010-Warlords-of-Draenor-Alpha-Build-18297 |
| 11:23.35 | nevcairiel | it might just be an extra slot that only takes trade skill bags, if blizzard wanted the lazy alternative :p |
| 11:25.02 | Timmeh | hopefully it's an extra slot that accepts all kinds of mats >_> |
| 11:25.02 | Timmeh | <_< |
| 11:27.59 | Workfoz | hopefully it's like in Wildstar =) |
| 11:28.12 | chiel | ah yea, that's what i read, thanks Workfoz |
| 11:28.23 | chiel | but apparently probably also there won't be flying in draenor either |
| 11:28.28 | chiel | this will make me, personally, a happy man |
| 11:28.49 | nevcairiel | at the very least not until the first content patch |
| 11:28.51 | nevcairiel | maybe not ever |
| 11:29.08 | chiel | yea, i kinda hope there won't be flying |
| 11:29.16 | chiel | i like the feeling of adventure when you're on the ground |
| 11:29.39 | chiel | when you're flying, you can just hover above a quest mob, drop down, kill it, and boom you're done |
| 11:29.52 | nevcairiel | thats one of their primary arguments |
| 11:29.54 | chiel | sure, it certainly speeds things up, but it just makes everything seem so trivial |
| 11:30.57 | Timmeh | yea, at blizzcon they said that flying won't be introduced until the first patch |
| 11:31.11 | Timmeh | wow, that's a long time ago arleady o.o |
| 11:31.32 | nevcairiel | I hope they dont give into the crybabys like znf |
| 11:33.11 | nevcairiel | vocal minorities seem to get their way much too often |
| 11:34.31 | chiel | yep |
| 11:35.38 | nevcairiel | if you're happy, you dont go shouting on the forums |
| 11:35.46 | nevcairiel | which is why forums are always such a pain |
| 11:35.50 | nevcairiel | only unhappy people there |
| 11:36.05 | chiel | yea, pretty much |
| 11:36.10 | quiescens | o.o |
| 11:36.13 | chiel | nobody goes there to say "oh i love this feature, great job!" |
| 11:36.27 | chiel | one thing i don't really understand is why some people are so set on shooting garrisons down though |
| 11:36.29 | quiescens | someone probably does |
| 11:36.33 | chiel | crying that they'll be useless etc |
| 11:36.40 | chiel | quiescens: sure, but they're an exception to the rule |
| 11:36.59 | chiel | garrisons is really something for me i look forward to |
| 11:37.34 | nevcairiel | haters are going to hate? |
| 11:38.25 | nevcairiel | heh, blizzard has physical digital pre-order boxes now |
| 11:38.48 | nevcairiel | guess its good for people that want a box on the shelf |
| 11:39.40 | nevcairiel | also the announcement hints at "release in fall", not winter, but fall |
| 11:41.10 | chiel | oh really? |
| 11:41.25 | chiel | that's good news, since SoO is already lasting too long, kinda :p |
| 11:45.04 | nebula169 | not kinda, toooo long |
| 11:45.21 | nevcairiel | its not yet longer than icc |
| 11:45.25 | nevcairiel | but its moving there |
| 11:46.20 | Timmeh | bluspacecow: he's talking again, you're not nomming enough |
| 11:46.40 | bluspacecow | *licks Timmeh* |
| 11:46.43 | bluspacecow | *nibbles Timmeh* |
| 11:46.47 | Timmeh | O_O |
| 11:46.52 | sb | oh |
| 11:46.59 | sb | nevcairiel: oh? |
| 11:47.03 | sb | thats nice |
| 11:47.10 | sb | preorder box + get instant access, right? |
| 11:47.33 | nevcairiel | sb: its like digital pre-order, except that you buy the box in a media markt and inside is a code to enter |
| 11:47.37 | nevcairiel | so yes, instant access |
| 11:47.52 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: huh? |
| 11:47.59 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: so you buy the box somewhere still? |
| 11:48.05 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 11:48.11 | Timmeh | they don't send it or something? |
| 11:48.19 | nevcairiel | no, its for retailers |
| 11:48.23 | Timmeh | ah |
| 11:48.41 | Timmeh | so you preorder at a retailer, and blizz gives you the code right away |
| 11:48.47 | sb | ah - those little pre-order boxes come with a key now - and on/after release day you will get your "real" box then, right? |
| 11:48.48 | Timmeh | that's nice |
| 11:48.54 | nevcairiel | its just like the final game box, except instead of a dvd you get a piece of paper with an upgrade code |
| 11:49.01 | nevcairiel | sb: no real box |
| 11:49.11 | nevcairiel | its a real box |
| 11:49.12 | Timmeh | oh, so you don't get an "actual" game box? |
| 11:49.18 | nevcairiel | you guys are stupid |
| 11:49.19 | sb | i dont get it :D |
| 11:49.22 | nevcairiel | its just like the final game box, except instead of a dvd you get a piece of paper with an upgrade code |
| 11:49.23 | nevcairiel | its just like the final game box, except instead of a dvd you get a piece of paper with an upgrade code |
| 11:49.25 | Xuerian | what the actual fuck |
| 11:49.44 | Xuerian | What part of a fortune cookie is hard to understand D: |
| 11:49.57 | Timmeh | but |
| 11:50.03 | Timmeh | dvd! |
| 11:50.07 | nevcairiel | no dvd |
| 11:50.18 | nevcairiel | but instead you can buy it in a month or so already |
| 11:52.03 | sb | do you have an ETA for mediamarkt/amazon/gamestop availability? |
| 11:52.21 | nevcairiel | june 17 |
| 11:52.26 | sb | ty |
| 11:52.40 | nevcairiel | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10763376323 |
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| 11:55.43 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 12:00.57 | Stanzilla | znf: "The hotword extension will be downloaded and installed automatically (they won't appear in chrome://extensions because it's treated as a component extension). If you check "Enable Ok, Google..." pref, the extension is already in." |
| 12:01.26 | chiel | Stanzilla: go away |
| 12:01.26 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 12:01.27 | chiel | :3 |
| 12:01.31 | Stanzilla | why |
| 12:01.36 | chiel | i dunno |
| 12:01.42 | chiel | but because you are (not so) secretly evil |
| 12:01.48 | bluspacecow | all that link says is the prepurchase boxes won’t have a DVD in it |
| 12:02.05 | bluspacecow | so pre purchase WoD receive box ? |
| 12:02.16 | sb | yes - but its standard :o |
| 12:02.17 | bluspacecow | or prepurchase WoD , pick up on release get code in box ? |
| 12:02.36 | sb | they should do the same with collectors edition |
| 12:03.08 | bluspacecow | if it’s the former then wow normally you just get a slip of paper |
| 12:03.23 | sb | + the box |
| 12:03.27 | chiel | it says they'll have collectors editions soon |
| 12:03.34 | chiel | "not very soon, but soon-ish" |
| 12:03.41 | sb | chiel: it says they will have news on the collections edition soon |
| 12:03.57 | bluspacecow | techinally they’re saying “they’ll have news on the collectors edition soon” |
| 12:04.00 | sb | could be CE content and stuff |
| 12:04.16 | bluspacecow | that news could be “well we fucked up. no collectiors edition this year” |
| 12:04.22 | chiel | ah k, then i fail at reading :) |
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| 12:04.33 | sb | they should just provide an upgrade path |
| 12:04.39 | bluspacecow | love people that read things into something that isn’t there. |
| 12:04.48 | sb | pre-order digital standard, pre order collectors edition from retail |
| 12:05.00 | chiel | bluspacecow: so you love me? :D |
| 12:05.11 | sb | instant upgrade account to standard and upgrade again when CE arrive + get price difference as refrunds |
| 12:05.17 | sb | refund |
| 12:05.21 | bluspacecow | *sprinkles cheese and cajun spices on chiel* |
| 12:05.25 | bluspacecow | *noms chiel* |
| 12:05.42 | nevcairiel | i already did digital upgrade to digital deluxe |
| 12:05.52 | nevcairiel | screw boxes |
| 12:06.00 | bluspacecow | pervert |
| 12:06.13 | chiel | bluspacecow: oh baby |
| 12:06.27 | Timmeh | that's a bit mean, calling him a baby |
| 12:06.31 | chiel | what do you get from the collectors edition again? |
| 12:06.32 | chiel | hahaha |
| 12:06.38 | chiel | oh... darling? |
| 12:07.40 | Stanzilla | ok guys |
| 12:07.45 | Stanzilla | on a scala from 1 to very sad |
| 12:07.47 | Stanzilla | how sad is this |
| 12:07.48 | Stanzilla | https://www.alternativefuer.de/wp-config.php |
| 12:08.29 | Timmeh | ouch |
| 12:08.33 | sb | nice |
| 12:08.35 | nevcairiel | sucks to have the php parser offline |
| 12:09.12 | sb | why is there no php code on the frontpage then? |
| 12:09.25 | nevcairiel | if the db is setup properly, you might at least not get access to it |
| 12:09.27 | nevcairiel | but still |
| 12:09.43 | sb | well |
| 12:09.44 | sb | define('DB_HOST','10.0.0.20'); |
| 12:09.52 | sb | you dont even know the db-host |
| 12:10.29 | nevcairiel | hm i just realized that my last day in the US is july 4th |
| 12:10.37 | nevcairiel | that didnt occur to me when i booked =P |
| 12:12.37 | nevcairiel | two bosses, two secrets of the empire |
| 12:12.41 | nevcairiel | i hope this continues! |
| 12:12.48 | sb | SoO bosses? |
| 12:12.51 | nevcairiel | tot |
| 12:14.40 | nevcairiel | i figured i might try to finish this already |
| 12:19.03 | sb | why is there no "rebase to fork base" button on github? :o |
| 12:22.00 | nevcairiel | its two commands in git cli, dont be so lazy |
| 12:22.14 | sb | plus i actually have to clone it first :p |
| 12:22.31 | nevcairiel | rebase is not guaranteed to be conflict-free, so what then |
| 12:22.53 | sb | its guaranteed to be conflict-free if you dont have any commits (so ff-only) |
| 12:23.06 | nevcairiel | thats not a rebase then :P |
| 12:23.08 | nevcairiel | just a pull |
| 12:23.51 | sb | fair enough - pull then :p |
| 12:24.57 | nevcairiel | 3/3 secrets! |
| 12:25.01 | nevcairiel | today is a good day |
| 12:25.31 | nevcairiel | and all that in the first section |
| 12:25.45 | chiel | i did all of ToT + first two bits SoO yesterday on my monk... i'm at 19 secrets >_> |
| 12:26.03 | nevcairiel | i'm at 11 now |
| 12:26.08 | nevcairiel | still 5 sections to do |
| 12:26.11 | chiel | nice |
| 12:26.16 | chiel | i need 2 secrets on my warrior |
| 12:26.23 | chiel | and there's 2 guaranteed drops |
| 12:27.06 | nevcairiel | oih well, lets do the next section |
| 12:27.44 | nevcairiel | if i could actually finish it entirely this week, that would be rather awesome :p |
| 12:27.49 | nevcairiel | but i doubt my luck is going to hold |
| 12:28.10 | chiel | if it does, i will hate you :p |
| 12:28.24 | nevcairiel | plus healers are getting a satchel right now |
| 12:28.25 | chiel | i had 14 on my monk, only got 5 this week... sucks a bit |
| 12:28.28 | chiel | oh sweet |
| 12:29.40 | Stanzilla | kinda sad that they did not activate the nerf-buff for the leg quest ye |
| 12:29.41 | Stanzilla | t |
| 12:30.15 | nevcairiel | great i got a in-progress instance |
| 12:31.29 | chiel | yea idk why they didn't just activate it instantly when the patch hit tbh |
| 12:31.42 | chiel | like it's not hard enough to catch up yet... |
| 12:31.57 | nevcairiel | sounded like they have a quest or event prepared for that |
| 12:32.13 | chiel | can they hurry the fuck along already, then? :p |
| 12:33.16 | Stanzilla | yeah need cloak on the 6th char! |
| 12:34.30 | chiel | hehe |
| 12:34.37 | chiel | man, i don't even have it on 1 :p |
| 12:35.09 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla is a sicko |
| 12:35.18 | nevcairiel | he has like 10 90s |
| 12:36.08 | Stanzilla | 11 ;/ |
| 12:36.47 | chiel | O.o |
| 12:36.48 | chiel | dayum |
| 12:36.56 | chiel | i have... 5 |
| 12:37.06 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 12:37.07 | chiel | and an 87 |
| 12:37.08 | nebula169 | it only takes a like a day to do 85-90 now |
| 12:37.12 | nevcairiel | i got reins of the raven lord in my satchel |
| 12:37.14 | nevcairiel | i r happy |
| 12:37.19 | Stanzilla | hah grats |
| 12:37.28 | chiel | but i only actively play 1 |
| 12:37.42 | chiel | the others are mostly just professions machines that i leveled up over time |
| 12:37.47 | nevcairiel | i have 4 90s i think |
| 12:38.05 | Stanzilla | well I always like to know as much as possible about a game I play, so I have to have all classes |
| 12:38.07 | chiel | my mage is actually on another realm, but i never play it, at all |
| 12:38.09 | chiel | so meh :) |
| 12:39.20 | chiel | so atm i have... monk, warrior, priest, druid... and shaman at 87 |
| 12:39.34 | nevcairiel | i have my druid of course, warlock hunter and monk |
| 12:39.37 | nevcairiel | never play the monk |
| 12:39.43 | nevcairiel | sometimes go farming with the lock or hunter |
| 12:39.50 | Timmeh | I have 3 90s, of which 1 has reasonable gear |
| 12:39.52 | chiel | yea i use the druid for farming |
| 12:40.19 | Timmeh | WTB VP |
| 12:40.31 | nevcairiel | i used to do a few LFRs with the two dps as well, but it got boring, so I just go out in the world with them sometimes |
| 12:40.40 | nevcairiel | not that i've played at all for the past time much |
| 12:41.41 | nevcairiel | really like pet classes for dps though |
| 12:42.56 | nevcairiel | leveling them was a lot of fun |
| 12:44.16 | nevcairiel | (just not in raids) |
| 12:45.41 | chiel | hmm, i dunno, mostly i just enjoy tanking and healing :p |
| 12:46.44 | nevcairiel | i'm the same, but in questing you can't do that :D |
| 12:47.10 | Timmeh | I leveled my paladin as tank |
| 12:47.39 | nevcairiel | i think dps in raids is just a tad bit boring |
| 12:47.49 | nevcairiel | but out in the world its fun to play one |
| 12:48.26 | Timmeh | I always tank, so it's nice to just do something else every now and then, even in a raid :-) |
| 12:48.27 | nevcairiel | also, i'm not very good at dps rotations :p |
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| 12:57.35 | chiel | dunno, i do so much damage as brewmaster so i never have to swap specs or anything :p |
| 12:57.43 | chiel | like, for questing etc of course, i mean |
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| 12:59.14 | nevcairiel | only tank is my warrior, and leveling as prot was always a bit weird |
| 13:00.36 | nebula169 | shield slam, victory rush, repeat |
| 13:01.23 | nevcairiel | now my warrior is still 85 |
| 13:01.27 | nevcairiel | thought about boosting him |
| 13:01.57 | chiel | you can get someone to boost you to 90 in a matter of hours on the timeless isle |
| 13:02.42 | nevcairiel | hrm now i'm at 3/6 on drops |
| 13:02.54 | nevcairiel | but one raven lord, thats like 1000000 secrets |
| 13:04.13 | chiel | haha |
| 13:04.15 | chiel | fo shooo |
| 13:04.16 | chiel | http://dev.tinker.io:3000/oMrcM/1/ |
| 13:04.22 | chiel | can you tell i am bored? :p |
| 13:04.29 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:04.41 | nevcairiel | should totally write a library to be able to use that ingame |
| 13:05.55 | chiel | that would be so fucking convenient :p |
| 13:06.47 | nevcairiel | too bad css is a whole load of crap to implement |
| 13:06.51 | chiel | yea |
| 13:06.54 | chiel | it's ridiculous |
| 13:07.26 | nevcairiel | might be interesting though |
| 13:07.45 | nevcairiel | instead of divs you have frames, need some way to apply classes and ids to them, and voila |
| 13:09.07 | chiel | yea, mostly i'm doing this cause of boredom, and cause it's much easier for me to visualise stuff in html/css |
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| 13:10.56 | nevcairiel | its raaaaiiiining |
| 13:11.32 | quiescens | gives nevcairiel an umbrella |
| 13:11.38 | nevcairiel | i'm inside |
| 13:11.50 | quiescens | you can never be too careful |
| 13:11.51 | sb | ah, thats this tinker.io think from your github account :D |
| 13:12.59 | sb | chiel: buttons are brken! |
| 13:13.07 | Timmeh | chiel made it |
| 13:13.09 | Timmeh | what did you expect |
| 13:13.40 | chiel | :p |
| 13:14.05 | chiel | sb: the left thingy is supposed to be logo, then "execute", then "save" |
| 13:14.07 | sb | why are there no icons? |
| 13:14.20 | chiel | because i didn't have icons for them yet :p |
| 13:14.22 | sb | yea, i clicked save multiple times |
| 13:14.37 | chiel | it should save and redirect you |
| 13:14.45 | chiel | or well, not really a redirect, if you have a modern browser |
| 13:14.46 | sb | also, why no ctrl+s capture? :p |
| 13:14.48 | chiel | just pushstate |
| 13:14.55 | chiel | because it's DEV :p |
| 13:15.03 | chiel | i.e. nowhere near done :D |
| 13:15.10 | sb | last commit was 2 years ago! |
| 13:15.38 | chiel | nah man |
| 13:15.45 | chiel | https://github.com/tinker |
| 13:15.54 | sb | i see |
| 13:16.12 | chiel | just made an org for it since i wanted to split everything up |
| 13:16.22 | Timmeh | chiel: you use git submodules, and you're still alive? |
| 13:16.28 | chiel | yes |
| 13:16.29 | Timmeh | that's an achievement |
| 13:16.31 | chiel | i like git submodules |
| 13:16.34 | chiel | unlike most people |
| 13:16.42 | Timmeh | I unlike most people |
| 13:16.48 | chiel | :D |
| 13:16.56 | nevcairiel | i use submodules as well quite successfully |
| 13:17.12 | chiel | i don't understand what people find so confusing about them |
| 13:17.28 | chiel | i'd really like for all of wow's addons to be on git, so i can put my ui up with addons as submodules |
| 13:17.46 | chiel | then i don't have to commit the code in my own repo... but can still have everything in a single project |
| 13:17.47 | Timmeh | well, if you're using it alone, there is no problem |
| 13:17.49 | chiel | would be sweet |
| 13:18.06 | Timmeh | the problem is that a submodule saves a commit hash + repo location, and that's all there is to refer to it |
| 13:18.08 | chiel | meh, how hard is it to do git submodule update --init --recursive after pulling? |
| 13:18.20 | Timmeh | when working with multiple people, that is your problem |
| 13:19.27 | nevcairiel | what else do you need than a location and hash |
| 13:19.33 | chiel | dunno, i used it in my previous team and it was fine? |
| 13:19.51 | chiel | you have a path within your repo, the actual git repo's location, and a hash... so yea, don't see what else you'd need |
| 13:20.43 | Timmeh | well, say I fork his tinker, if I want to make changes to the submodules, I either have to keep that completely locally, and actually edit *within* the submodules, or I have to change the .gitmodules file |
| 13:20.55 | sb | http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-calculator.html?hp&_r=2 |
| 13:21.03 | sb | about that buy vs. rent topic |
| 13:21.11 | Timmeh | I can't have my own fork of the "umbrella" repository without changing the .gitmodules |
| 13:21.19 | Timmeh | since it refers explicitly to chiel's url |
| 13:21.23 | chiel | you have to commit in the submodule, and then update the repo it's contained in by making a commit |
| 13:21.41 | Timmeh | ok, say I do that |
| 13:21.49 | chiel | http://dev.tinker.io:3000/I9urd/ <- that's basically how my UFs look now, Timmeh (you wanted a screenshot... :p) |
| 13:21.49 | Timmeh | I push that to my remote location (say: github) |
| 13:21.57 | chiel | yea i know what you mean man |
| 13:21.58 | Timmeh | I then pull that on my laptop |
| 13:22.01 | chiel | and yes, that is a problem |
| 13:22.05 | Timmeh | and it can't find the right commit |
| 13:22.10 | chiel | but i dunno, i never really ran into it, so to speak |
| 13:22.25 | nevcairiel | maybe you're using it wrong! |
| 13:22.42 | nevcairiel | i've only ever used to link third party stuff into, which we're not going to work on anyway |
| 13:22.57 | nevcairiel | or at the very least extremely rarely, so its not an issue |
| 13:23.57 | Timmeh | right, so just using it as "externals" |
| 13:24.23 | chiel | yea, tbh, i prefer using npm packages nowadays |
| 13:24.25 | Timmeh | not so much modules |
| 13:24.26 | chiel | eaaaaasier |
| 13:24.37 | nevcairiel | but even with your use-case i dont see the big problem, you just have to fork both projects instead of just the one :p |
| 13:24.58 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: nope, you have to actually change the module references to point to different locations |
| 13:25.01 | Timmeh | that's the problem |
| 13:25.05 | Timmeh | and if you then want to merge in your changes |
| 13:25.06 | nevcairiel | so do that |
| 13:25.07 | nevcairiel | big deal? |
| 13:25.11 | Timmeh | the module references are wrong |
| 13:25.21 | Timmeh | yes, quite a big deal when working with multiple people on multiple projects |
| 13:25.33 | nevcairiel | merge changes into module, then update submodule directly |
| 13:25.41 | nevcairiel | i dont see the problem |
| 13:26.02 | Timmeh | well, try it out |
| 13:26.03 | Timmeh | you will |
| 13:26.20 | nevcairiel | you can't use direct merges, you have to run another command |
| 13:26.24 | nevcairiel | doesn't see the big issues |
| 13:26.56 | Timmeh | the only way you can use it is by actually working inside the nested module, and keep it completely local |
| 13:27.32 | Timmeh | only once the commits in the nested module are on the main repo, you would be able to update the higher level repository |
| 13:27.39 | chiel | i see the problem you are describing mate, just never had many issues with it, or was just careful etc with merging... but yes, it's not ideal |
| 13:28.01 | Timmeh | and in a situation where not everyone has push access everywhere, things get very weird |
| 13:28.01 | chiel | but this is why i prefer npm modules now, for example |
| 13:28.19 | chiel | and i may very well update the tinker repo to get rid of submodules, and use npm modules instead |
| 13:28.25 | nevcairiel | not necessarily, you can just update your forks reference to a refrence to a fork of the submodule, and once its merging time create a branch based on the original again and update the submodule there once the module changes were merged |
| 13:28.33 | nevcairiel | its a step extra, but not impossible or blocking really |
| 13:28.47 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: but the reference is an actual version managed file |
| 13:29.14 | nevcairiel | thats why we have branches, you can change it in your work branch, and once everything is done create a merge branch without that change |
| 13:29.25 | nevcairiel | its like one extra command |
| 13:29.27 | nevcairiel | maybe two |
| 13:29.41 | Timmeh | it's not about how many extra commands it would be |
| 13:29.45 | Timmeh | it's still a problem |
| 13:29.49 | Timmeh | and in bigger teams and bigger projects |
| 13:29.53 | Timmeh | it's definitely a problem |
| 13:30.20 | Timmeh | and even if I do it right, there's the other people who can't make a mistake on that either |
| 13:30.40 | nevcairiel | can't fix others people inability to use git properly =P |
| 13:30.42 | Workfoz | man, what an annoying Friday this has been so far |
| 13:30.54 | Timmeh | I've tried it, used it, liked it for a bit, then things got bigger, and it just blow up |
| 13:30.55 | Workfoz | lots of useless (but long, and tiring) debates |
| 13:32.15 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: the thing that remains is that you have to work around the issues, whereas most other parts of git work quite logically |
| 13:32.18 | nevcairiel | sb: i dont suppose you have such a link with german specifics? :p |
| 13:32.26 | sb | nevcairiel: no :( |
| 13:32.50 | nevcairiel | Timmeh: well you would only use submodules if you have good reasons for them in the first place |
| 13:33.17 | nevcairiel | in many places you can probably replace it by either not using them, or using a dependency manager instead |
| 13:34.54 | chiel | aye, that's why i'm saying i'll probably switch to npm modules |
| 13:35.10 | chiel | cause in the case of this umbrella project, it only updates when submodules update |
| 13:35.37 | sb | nevcairiel: question is - do you really have an increase in value? thats the only thing that makes buying better after paying off your mortgage |
| 13:37.33 | sb | "Die inflationsbereinigte Wertsteigerung von Wohnimmobilien über die letzten 40 Jahre in Deutschland war exakt null." |
| 13:37.36 | nevcairiel | sb: i found a few crude german calculators, which mostly seem to give a different result, say alternatives are either rent 750/m (kalt), buy for 200k€, some fixed cost for maintenance, after around 15 years you get an adventage over renting, that is assuming you dont try to sell and buy something else in the process |
| 13:38.40 | Timmeh | sb: interesting fact |
| 13:38.44 | Timmeh | wonder how that is around here |
| 13:40.15 | sb | errr, sorry? |
| 13:40.48 | sb | are there increasing rates for having an submerged house in 10 years? |
| 13:40.56 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 13:41.39 | chiel | sooo.... for chi, i more or less want something like this: http://dev.tinker.io:3000/ORj3E/ |
| 13:41.44 | chiel | but obviously it looks like ass |
| 13:41.50 | chiel | so, suggestions? :) |
| 13:42.10 | sb | thats just like buying something on hawaii or some canarian island - it probably will be gone in 20 years |
| 13:42.38 | Timmeh | sb: you said that the inflation adjusted value increase of houses over the last 40 years in germany was 0, right? |
| 13:42.44 | sb | yup |
| 13:44.00 | chiel | http://dev.tinker.io:3000/6i2I4/ updated the chi colour :p |
| 13:44.04 | nevcairiel | too bad they got more expensive in the process though :p |
| 13:44.09 | Timmeh | yes, that I found interested, as far as I have noticed, in the netherlands the value of houses has increased more than the inflation, which is why I thought that was interesting |
| 13:44.30 | nevcairiel | chiel: overlaying it on top of the main resource bar makes it rather impossible to see |
| 13:44.57 | chiel | nevcairiel: yea, kinda wanted something similar as i had with the stagger + health bar |
| 13:45.13 | Timmeh | chiel: write it with React, and make a renderer that renders to oUF :-P |
| 13:45.17 | chiel | maybe i should increase the size of both the power bar and the chi |
| 13:45.18 | chiel | lol |
| 13:45.23 | chiel | are you high? :D |
| 13:45.34 | Timmeh | chiel: sebmarkbage did it for Canvas, iirc :-P |
| 13:45.57 | chiel | yea but we're talking about wow here.. no :p |
| 13:46.19 | Timmeh | but then you can write it in javascript! |
| 13:47.10 | chiel | http://dev.tinker.io:3000/0F6uW/ would be more like this, i guess |
| 13:47.30 | sb | where is your portrait? :p |
| 13:47.38 | chiel | why the hell would i need a portrait? :D |
| 13:47.53 | nevcairiel | i kinda like having a portrait myself |
| 13:48.08 | chiel | i think the colours are too dark though... i should make some screen shots in wow, of light, dark and mixed environments... and then test it against those backgrounds |
| 13:48.19 | chiel | cause it's so hard to make something that will be clear across multiple environments |
| 13:48.24 | chiel | i used to have a portrait always |
| 13:48.32 | chiel | but nowadays... dunno, not fussed :) |
| 13:52.51 | quiescens | moo |
| 13:54.26 | chiel | i really am a bit cluess about where to put the chi >_> |
| 13:54.42 | chiel | i like the stagger bar being where it is, since it's effectively an extension of your health |
| 13:54.43 | quiescens | over there -> |
| 13:55.00 | Timmeh | I'd put it a bit further on -> |
| 13:55.04 | chiel | but the power bar feels obstructed pretty quickly since it's not that big to begin with |
| 13:55.07 | chiel | fuck you guys :p |
| 13:55.09 | quiescens | --> maybe? |
| 13:55.16 | quiescens | ): |
| 13:55.22 | quiescens | that's a bit harsh |
| 13:55.27 | Timmeh | very |
| 13:55.28 | Timmeh | :-( |
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| 13:56.52 | Timmeh | chiel: what aout just under the power bar? >_> |
| 13:56.58 | Timmeh | full width |
| 13:57.02 | Timmeh | no spacing inbetween |
| 14:00.16 | Timmeh | or is that not cool enough? |
| 14:02.00 | chiel | probably :p |
| 14:02.10 | Timmeh | what button is the save button? :-P |
| 14:02.14 | chiel | just playing around with things, but that will probably be the way i go |
| 14:02.18 | chiel | the one most to the right, hehe |
| 14:03.50 | Timmeh | i no get new url :-( |
| 14:04.33 | Timmeh | oh form submits to port 4001 |
| 14:04.36 | Timmeh | maybe that's it :-P |
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| 14:04.52 | Timmeh | nope :-D |
| 14:05.28 | Timmeh | chiel: Y U BREAK |
| 14:06.18 | chiel | what's breaking? :p |
| 14:06.23 | Timmeh | I can't save |
| 14:06.23 | chiel | log shows "source string:93: error: invalid property name" |
| 14:06.35 | chiel | idk, what does your network panel say? |
| 14:07.49 | Timmeh | 403 |
| 14:08.01 | Timmeh | when posting to bundles |
| 14:08.45 | chiel | weird, log is not showing any errors :D |
| 14:08.49 | chiel | yay silent failures :p |
| 14:08.58 | chiel | that's forbidden.... hmm |
| 14:08.58 | chiel | weird |
| 14:09.04 | Timmeh | pft |
| 14:09.08 | Timmeh | I'll jsfiddle then |
| 14:09.21 | quiescens | /blame timmeh |
| 14:09.24 | chiel | try again? |
| 14:09.25 | chiel | i restarted the api |
| 14:09.40 | Timmeh | samething |
| 14:10.46 | Timmeh | chiel: http://jsfiddle.net/RKmC4/ |
| 14:11.41 | chiel | it's weird, it's just working for me |
| 14:12.14 | sb | nevcairiel: http://zendepot.de/8-immobilien-irrtuemer-teil-2/ is interesting |
| 14:13.09 | Timmeh | chiel: http://jsfiddle.net/RKmC4/1/ |
| 14:13.41 | Timmeh | wait, chiel: http://jsfiddle.net/RKmC4/2/ |
| 14:15.13 | znf | I'm impressed that you made userframes in HTML/CSS |
| 14:15.22 | Timmeh | chiel: http://jsfiddle.net/RKmC4/2/ |
| 14:15.29 | Timmeh | eh |
| 14:15.40 | Timmeh | chiel: http://jsfiddle.net/RKmC4/3/ |
| 14:15.42 | Timmeh | :-D |
| 14:15.54 | Timmeh | znf: blame chiel |
| 14:16.18 | znf | if it would be that simply in Lua :D |
| 14:16.29 | Timmeh | znf: I told chiel to write a React renderer for it :-P |
| 14:17.29 | znf | hmm, I have played this whole expansion |
| 14:17.36 | znf | and I still have no idea what that stagger thing does for monks |
| 14:17.59 | Timmeh | znf: http://wowpedia.org/Stagger |
| 14:18.03 | sb | replaces direct hits with x% direct + y% dot |
| 14:18.24 | Timmeh | the dot can then be cleansed by spending chi |
| 14:19.13 | Timmeh | so the basics come down to: get hit into "heavy stagger" -> purify, wait for heavy stagger again -> purify |
| 14:19.34 | Timmeh | that's how hard monk tanking is! :-D |
| 14:20.18 | Timmeh | awaits the flaming. |
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| 14:35.11 | Workfoz | wheee MORE talks and talks and talks |
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| 14:38.48 | Workfoz | cya later guys, I got no time for IRC today anyway, it seems |
| 14:38.49 | Workfoz | :D |
| 14:39.02 | quiescens | you're actually working for once? |
| 14:39.20 | Workfoz | scary to think about, isn't it? |
| 14:39.47 | quiescens | who are you and what have you done with workfoz |
| 14:40.06 | znf | what's this work thing? |
| 14:41.10 | bluspacecow | fuzzy work fozzy bear |
| 14:41.17 | bluspacecow | *noms on znf* |
| 14:42.11 | znf | cooks a space-blue burger |
| 14:42.17 | znf | made from real space cow |
| 14:43.10 | bluspacecow | am i nommy ? |
| 14:44.05 | znf | chewy |
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| 15:37.31 | Timmeh | chiel: http://jsfiddle.net/Hg6xw/ |
| 15:37.51 | Timmeh | oh wait |
| 15:37.53 | Timmeh | slight error :-D |
| 15:38.17 | Timmeh | chiel: http://jsfiddle.net/WL3LA/ |
| 15:38.40 | Timmeh | znf: ^ now you can learn how to monk |
| 15:39.36 | Timmeh | I should add stagger :-P |
| 15:39.39 | Timmeh | damaging, I mean |
| 15:43.05 | znf | me and alts don't mix |
| 15:43.16 | Timmeh | chiel: http://jsfiddle.net/WL3LA/1/ |
| 15:43.32 | Timmeh | znf: no I mean with the thing I just pasted |
| 15:43.51 | znf | I mean I don't have a need for learning how to monk :D |
| 15:44.06 | Timmeh | I don't care :-P |
| 15:44.12 | znf | also, I managed to die |
| 15:46.34 | Timmeh | hah |
| 15:47.03 | Timmeh | just spam 'heal me'! tehre are no checks for energy :-P |
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| 16:03.01 | Timmeh | chiel: http://jsfiddle.net/NyLVa/ |
| 16:03.02 | Timmeh | >_> |
| 16:03.04 | Timmeh | ok I'll stop now |
| 16:03.48 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 16:04.30 | Timmeh | http://jsfiddle.net/h6RM8/ |
| 16:04.32 | Timmeh | ok I'll stop now. |
| 16:14.42 | quiescens | you already said that |
| 16:14.49 | chiel | i was in a meeting |
| 16:14.52 | chiel | and then drinking beer |
| 16:14.55 | chiel | and i am now close to drunk |
| 16:14.56 | chiel | :D |
| 16:15.05 | chiel | anyway, going to drink more beer, i'll check the thingies later! |
| 16:15.07 | chiel | o/ |
| 16:17.22 | Timmeh | chiel: but |
| 16:17.26 | Timmeh | ! |
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| 17:08.43 | quiescens | blah |
| 17:15.33 | Timmeh | blah! |
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| 17:35.01 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/kgogMD4.jpg |
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| 17:36.44 | Neffi | Stanzilla: lol |
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| 18:06.51 | Repo | clean up some unnecessary memory utilization/churn in BarDisplay navigation |
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| 18:48.24 | nevcairiel | hm, time to try the other lfr sections, lets hope for a bunch more secrets! |
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| 19:47.57 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Knowledge Base / Projects / File Statuses - http://www.wowace.com/wiki/knowledge-base/projects/file-statuses/ |
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| 20:37.50 | Stanzilla | . |
| 20:41.20 | nevcairiel | chiel: i found an even worse problem, i'm still 12k reputation short with the damn prince! |
| 20:41.30 | nevcairiel | guess i need to quest on that island a bit |
| 20:42.01 | nevcairiel | wanted to do kirin tor rep anyway |
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| 21:09.36 | nevcairiel | from 9 to 16 secrets in one ToT LFR week, not too bad |
| 21:09.50 | nevcairiel | maybe i can actually finish it in SoO with a bit of luck |
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| 21:30.55 | Stanzilla | not bad |
| 21:31.02 | Stanzilla | btw doing celestials gives 500 rep each week |
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| 21:41.46 | Stanzilla | znf: http://www.kcsoftwares.com/sumo/view.php?uid=11141461&ProductName=Stics&Company=Bogdan%20%22Znuff%22%20Ilisei&prot=2 |
| 21:41.49 | Stanzilla | so famous |
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| 22:04.30 | znf | Stanzilla, wtf |
| 22:08.22 | Humbedooh | ye! wtf! |
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| 22:26.11 | znf | Power Word: Shield now has a chance for a critical effect based on critical strike chance and can Multistrike based on Multistrike chance for all specializations. |
| 22:26.19 | znf | I know what stats will disc priest love! :P |
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