| 00:05.22 | znf | Stanzilla, I got an idea :P |
| 00:07.43 | znf | Stanzilla, http://i.imgur.com/BITtuzT.png I could add an alpha channel/mask to the background image, and overlay the image over the animation! :) |
| 00:08.49 | Stanzilla | yeah try that |
| 00:12.50 | znf | problem is, I lose like 50% speed :D |
| 00:15.41 | znf | Stanzilla, http://i.imgur.com/wg2p8rc.png :) |
| 00:15.51 | Stanzilla | better |
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| 00:16.35 | znf | will ponder about it tomorow |
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| 00:18.17 | znf | could probably apply an alpha channel mask only to the bottom of the image |
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| 03:37.03 | Gnarfoz | znf: finally kind of figured out AMR export string format |
| 03:37.58 | Gnarfoz | it's just annoying because items with no modifications of any kind show up as "1" |
| 03:39.38 | Gnarfoz | so you have to figure out the equipped item with the closest itemid (because you can identify those by their slot numbers) and go from there |
| 03:39.41 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 03:40.01 | Gnarfoz | I wonder if duplicate items actually show up as "0", they probably should |
| 03:40.13 | quiescens | o.o |
| 03:40.17 | quiescens | go to sleep gnarfoz |
| 03:47.57 | Stanzilla | wtf are you doing Gnarfoz |
| 03:48.29 | quiescens | i agree with stanzilla |
| 03:48.55 | Gnarfoz | feeding AMR modified item data |
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| 07:49.31 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: fair-use may be an a advantage if the contract actually becomes cheaper for everyone, unless you book extra traffic back ... but they don't usually lower prices, they just add limits :p |
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| 08:27.03 | nebula169 | Gnarfoz: why are you figuring out the AMR strings? |
| 08:27.52 | sb | morning |
| 08:28.47 | sb | Gnarfoz, Stanzilla - no idea what you are talking about :p (bad internets speeds) |
| 08:29.16 | nebula169 | oh, you already said, lol |
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| 13:12.52 | Takika | is there anyone who work with datastore libs? |
| 13:29.18 | Cloudfoz | nevcairiel: I'd have to check, but I think they actually increased the prices :@ |
| 13:29.43 | sb | HI Cloudfoz |
| 13:30.24 | Cloudfoz | nevcairiel: because they didn't have an 8 Mbit/s tier before, and that one inherited the price of the old 0-16 Mbits/s price |
| 13:31.12 | sb | huh - whats 8mbit? |
| 13:31.15 | sb | upstream? :D |
| 13:32.41 | Cloudfoz | nebula169: because they still don't support "what if that item in my bags was upgraded?" (in their (otherwise awesome) best in bags feature. So I change the item data accordingly. They recently started "compressing" their export strings, so it's a bit annoying now |
| 13:33.22 | Cloudfoz | sb: check o2online.de DSL variants... Laughable |
| 13:34.01 | sb | 8, 16, 50 |
| 13:34.37 | sb | well - kabel is 10, 50, 100, 150 |
| 13:34.47 | Cloudfoz | Data caps |
| 13:35.09 | nevcairiel | at least its slightly cheaper then telekom |
| 13:35.12 | Cloudfoz | They only had 16 and 50 before, and neither had data caps |
| 13:35.31 | nevcairiel | well at least some of them |
| 13:35.36 | nevcairiel | 16mbit is same price |
| 13:35.42 | nevcairiel | 50mbit is slightly cheaper |
| 13:35.49 | nevcairiel | (5€) |
| 13:36.11 | nevcairiel | but telekom got rid of their caps for now |
| 13:36.13 | nevcairiel | so hooray |
| 13:39.00 | nevcairiel | downloading a 12 minute video file, 66 GB .. gotta love a fast connection |
| 13:39.21 | Cloudfoz | Yeah... Kind of insane, but suddenly, DTAG is the more attractive alternative |
| 13:39.37 | quiescens | nerf cloudfoz |
| 13:40.32 | nevcairiel | the 8mbit one might be of some use for people that really dont need a high cap, as telekom doesnt offer anyhting below the 16mbit variant anymore |
| 13:40.36 | Cloudfoz | Although switching my DSL from O2 would mean losing 10€ rebate because of having both mobile and DSL with them |
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| 15:37.29 | quiescens | moo |
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| 15:51.14 | nevcairiel | Cloudfoz: btw, do they force those caps on everyone, or just new customers? |
| 15:53.15 | Cloudfoz | nevcairiel: not sure, yet, I only found out yesterday |
| 15:54.15 | nevcairiel | friend of mine has a alice dsl thing, which i guess is o2 these days as well, just wondering |
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| 17:12.31 | Cloudfoz | nevcairiel: I'm ex-Alice, too. He should be an O2 customer now |
| 17:34.49 | Stanzilla | hello friendz |
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| 17:54.41 | nevcairiel | Cloudfoz: apparently the cap is not "new", friend says they added those when the telekom also did |
| 17:54.56 | nevcairiel | they just never removed them again |
| 17:55.07 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 17:57.28 | nevcairiel | hey Fisker |
| 17:57.32 | Fisker | good |
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| 19:24.50 | sb | Stanzilla: y u play HotS? |
| 19:25.13 | Stanzilla | sb: y not? |
| 19:25.51 | sb | because no public thingy :( me jelly |
| 19:26.14 | Stanzilla | sb: want dl? |
| 19:26.15 | sb | well, doesnt matter, just want WoD tbh :D |
| 19:26.34 | sb | dont have time :/ |
| 19:26.38 | sb | didnt even try titanfall |
| 19:26.51 | Stanzilla | titanfall is nice |
| 19:26.55 | Stanzilla | HotS is meh |
| 19:26.56 | sb | well, did simulator |
| 19:29.26 | nebula169 | hots with retarded bots is pretty meh |
| 19:31.53 | sb | errr wtf, stupid name |
| 19:31.54 | sb | jsut realized |
| 19:32.05 | sb | starcraft <> heroes |
| 19:32.14 | Stanzilla | I think nebula169 means heroes too |
| 19:32.20 | Stanzilla | because those bots are stupid as fuck |
| 19:32.31 | sb | still, stupid naming :D |
| 19:40.32 | Arrowmaster | people are playing heroes? |
| 19:43.41 | quiescens | moo |
| 19:45.31 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: yeah the client leaked |
| 19:45.47 | Arrowmaster | oh so no online? |
| 19:45.55 | Stanzilla | correct |
| 19:46.04 | nebula169 | yea, just the tutorial against really bad bots |
| 19:47.12 | Stanzilla | gameplay feels bad, too |
| 19:47.16 | Stanzilla | but yeah, early alpha |
| 19:48.08 | Stanzilla | TIL: selecting a triangle in adobe fireworks is hard |
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| 19:59.02 | sb | Stanzilla: giev DL then :p |
| 19:59.27 | sb | stupid bots vs. stupid me |
| 20:07.09 | Cloudfoz | nevcairiel: the page says they'll only start enforcing them this coming July, so that'd be a bit weird... |
| 20:07.34 | Cloudfoz | Time to go home :s |
| 20:07.36 | nevcairiel | Cloudfoz: well added them to the contract s i mean |
| 20:07.40 | nevcairiel | also why are you at work at 9 |
| 20:13.25 | quiescens | silleh cloudfoz |
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| 21:11.36 | Stanzilla | znf: https://soundcloud.com/tim-staneck/stay-the-typhoon-tim-staneck |
| 21:12.36 | znf | Stanzilla, that's /so/ german :D |
| 21:14.15 | Stanzilla | how lol |
| 21:14.28 | znf | it's a bit too hard for my taste :) |
| 21:14.56 | Stanzilla | ok |
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| 21:18.08 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz nevcairiel sb Megalon http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/vergewaltigung/utah-vergewaltigung-34703490.bild.html |
| 21:18.30 | Stanzilla | or well anyone, the pictures are funny enough :D |
| 21:18.50 | Gnarfoz | :[ |
| 21:18.55 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 21:18.58 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 21:19.11 | znf | nevcairiel, do you still have a hetzner server? |
| 21:19.11 | Gnarfoz | {:< |
| 21:19.22 | Gnarfoz | (if he doesn't, I do) |
| 21:19.23 | znf | or Gnarfoz ? |
| 21:19.32 | znf | can you make available a 1G file on http? |
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| 21:19.37 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 21:19.51 | nevcairiel | http://files.1f0.de/samples/encs/tos3k.y4m |
| 21:19.53 | nevcairiel | 6gb file |
| 21:19.55 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 21:20.09 | Gnarfoz | wtf is y4m |
| 21:20.27 | nevcairiel | simple container for uncompressed video |
| 21:20.40 | nevcairiel | i put that there for testing earlier |
| 21:20.59 | nevcairiel | and yes, apache doesnt know wtf a y4m is, so you get text when you open it in a browser :p |
| 21:21.05 | Gnarfoz | *your apache |
| 21:21.08 | Stanzilla | https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/1900610_10152225273724976_280823829_o.jpg |
| 21:21.25 | nevcairiel | i'm sure someone taught it, but i use default mime setups :P |
| 21:21.40 | znf | I finally managed to get a support console for that server I have like 100KB/s downstream |
| 21:21.56 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: should make application/octet-stream the default for unknown mime types |
| 21:22.04 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 21:22.09 | Gnarfoz | znf: https://www.hddf.eu/1G |
| 21:22.13 | nevcairiel | first time i ever had a file which was an issue really |
| 21:22.26 | Megalon | Stanzilla, oh noes zey all got hacked |
| 21:22.27 | znf | and check their answer: http://i.imgur.com/3kyNe6y.png |
| 21:22.31 | Megalon | stop killing esports!!!1 |
| 21:22.33 | znf | I'm not sure if I should shoot myself or not |
| 21:22.45 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: what |
| 21:22.52 | Stanzilla | exactly |
| 21:23.18 | Gnarfoz | that reminds me |
| 21:23.24 | Megalon | did you read the fnatic managers post? |
| 21:23.34 | Gnarfoz | I wanted to check if TeamViewer on Android can be a server, not just a client |
| 21:23.38 | znf | thanks Gnarfoz |
| 21:23.54 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with my 6gb file :P |
| 21:24.05 | Gnarfoz | probably too big to fail! |
| 21:24.24 | Megalon | it's backed up by the goverment! |
| 21:24.33 | Gnarfoz | hehe, changing my build.prop to "make" my phone a Motorola XT1080 also made the LTE options disappear >_> |
| 21:24.45 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: the US government! \o/ thanks NSA |
| 21:25.20 | znf | holy fuck @ linode <-> digitalocean |
| 21:25.21 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/JzDoVah.png |
| 21:25.22 | znf | :o |
| 21:25.40 | Gnarfoz | 200 Mbit/s |
| 21:25.42 | Gnarfoz | what about it? |
| 21:25.43 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 21:25.47 | Gnarfoz | should get the same from me! :D |
| 21:26.03 | znf | Gnarfoz, I get 1MB on my server from your server |
| 21:26.18 | Gnarfoz | well, your server has a problem, doesn't it? |
| 21:26.19 | Gnarfoz | :o |
| 21:26.30 | znf | yeah, now I have to make the retards on that hosting service understand that |
| 21:26.33 | Humbedooh | pfft |
| 21:26.34 | znf | see the screenshot of the ticket |
| 21:26.43 | Humbedooh | I get 77MB/sec :C |
| 21:27.05 | Humbedooh | prolly 'cause my disk can't write faster |
| 21:27.14 | Stanzilla | are any of you guys using firefox/nightly as their main browser? |
| 21:27.28 | Gnarfoz | Humbedooh: :o from mine? |
| 21:27.35 | Humbedooh | Gnarfoz: noes, from $randomplace |
| 21:27.42 | Gnarfoz | well! |
| 21:27.45 | Humbedooh | Gnarfoz: what is yourthing? |
| 21:27.50 | Gnarfoz | had me going there for a minute |
| 21:28.16 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: 2014-02-17 22:28:07 (72.5 MB/s) - ‘1G’ saved |
| 21:28.17 | nevcairiel | from yours |
| 21:28.24 | Gnarfoz | you're cheating, tho |
| 21:28.29 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:28.38 | Humbedooh | 70MB/sec from that other link thing you sent |
| 21:28.47 | nevcairiel | wonder if we're in the same data center |
| 21:28.49 | Gnarfoz | Humbedooh: [22:21:50] <Gnarfoz> znf: https://www.hddf.eu/1G -- not that I have any reason to assume it shouldn't do 200 Mbit/s |
| 21:28.58 | Humbedooh | Gnarfoz: that one I did get at 70 |
| 21:29.02 | Gnarfoz | o_o |
| 21:29.06 | Gnarfoz | from your home connection? |
| 21:29.12 | Humbedooh | d'uh, no |
| 21:29.15 | Humbedooh | from $server |
| 21:29.18 | Gnarfoz | that $server |
| 21:29.22 | znf | I get 40MB/sec on Linode from Gnarfoz's server |
| 21:29.22 | nevcairiel | not a hetzner server though? |
| 21:29.27 | Gnarfoz | what nev said? |
| 21:29.27 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:29.36 | Humbedooh | bah |
| 21:29.36 | nevcairiel | i never thought they really do full gbit to external connections |
| 21:29.38 | Humbedooh | it's hetzner |
| 21:29.39 | znf | Humbedooh, http://i.imgur.com/UIUoZRz.png |
| 21:29.41 | Gnarfoz | :PPP |
| 21:29.41 | Humbedooh | no wonder it's fast |
| 21:29.50 | nevcairiel | but apparently they do if linode gets 40mb/s as well |
| 21:29.52 | znf | Humbedooh, the one on the left is a hetzner server |
| 21:29.53 | Gnarfoz | znf: that's... rather fast. faster than it should be really. maybe I'm doing gzip xD |
| 21:30.17 | Gnarfoz | or Hetzner changed something again |
| 21:30.20 | znf | Gnarfoz, I doubt it. I shouldn't do gzip on a file without a mime-type :P |
| 21:30.22 | Humbedooh | 10MB/sec from home |
| 21:30.32 | Humbedooh | which is max |
| 21:30.38 | Gnarfoz | znf: never underestimate my nginx config! :D |
| 21:30.43 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:30.54 | Gnarfoz | nah |
| 21:30.55 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.24 | znf | I get 5MB/sec from your server on my home connection :P |
| 21:31.39 | nevcairiel | let me guess, you have a 50mbit connection? |
| 21:31.51 | Gnarfoz | more like 40 |
| 21:31.52 | Stanzilla | 100 |
| 21:31.55 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, yes |
| 21:31.57 | Gnarfoz | he said last night |
| 21:31.59 | Gnarfoz | 100/100 |
| 21:32.06 | Stanzilla | ./envy_much |
| 21:32.09 | nevcairiel | then his connection doesnt live up to expectations |
| 21:32.18 | Gnarfoz | probably because everybody's using it as a speed test right now :P |
| 21:32.41 | nevcairiel | lucky for us hetzner has like 20tb traffic or something |
| 21:32.45 | nevcairiel | i forgot the actual number |
| 21:32.47 | nevcairiel | never reached it |
| 21:32.55 | Humbedooh | methinks it's 20 ye |
| 21:33.26 | Gnarfoz | bah humbug |
| 21:33.32 | Gnarfoz | I can NEVER remember my hetzner password |
| 21:33.38 | Humbedooh | keepass! |
| 21:33.41 | MysticalOS | has anyone done paragons in last two days or so on heroic? |
| 21:33.43 | nevcairiel | which is why I also dont have any issues hosting a 6gb uncompressed video file for some encode tests :p |
| 21:33.51 | Gnarfoz | looks like it might be time for Keepass, yeah |
| 21:33.53 | MysticalOS | curious if they hotfixed reeve yet |
| 21:34.00 | Gnarfoz | keanu? |
| 21:34.10 | znf | well, I do have my torrent client opened :D |
| 21:34.14 | MysticalOS | reave whatever it is |
| 21:34.21 | Stanzilla | what was wrong with it |
| 21:34.21 | znf | and I already have 40mbit traffic :D |
| 21:34.35 | Humbedooh | I should get liek... 1gbps at home |
| 21:34.46 | znf | I can get it, too |
| 21:34.58 | znf | but I have no use for it :-/ |
| 21:35.05 | Humbedooh | I'd have to pay for $folks to dig fiber stuff tho :\ |
| 21:35.15 | nevcairiel | my 50mbit downstream is usually all I need. Could prrobably use slightly more upstream then the 10mbit i got, but overall i r plenty happy |
| 21:35.26 | znf | I would go crazy if I didn't have symetrical |
| 21:35.38 | znf | though 10Mbit is decent |
| 21:35.42 | znf | less than that is... just... wrong :-/ |
| 21:35.44 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't know what to upload all the time |
| 21:36.08 | znf | me neither, but when you need it, it's so useful :) |
| 21:36.18 | nevcairiel | you need at least 1/10th as your download, or you won't be able to use your line properly at all |
| 21:36.30 | nevcairiel | its always funny when you see them offering 100/5 or even worse |
| 21:36.46 | Gnarfoz | that moment when I start Firefox to look at the saved passwords list |
| 21:36.55 | Stanzilla | I have like 296 kbps upload |
| 21:37.08 | nevcairiel | if you have like 2mbit download, thats ok :P |
| 21:37.18 | Gnarfoz | like m! |
| 21:37.19 | Gnarfoz | e |
| 21:37.19 | Stanzilla | 1,4 MB/s max |
| 21:37.34 | nevcairiel | thats not too bad, around 10mbit i guess? |
| 21:37.44 | Humbedooh | Stanzilla: you need to unpoor yourself :C |
| 21:37.47 | Stanzilla | telekom says 16, my router says 14 |
| 21:38.01 | Stanzilla | Humbedooh: my town needs to be less medieval |
| 21:38.12 | Megalon | :o |
| 21:38.13 | Humbedooh | you could move ;o |
| 21:38.18 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 21:38.50 | sb | 100/5 here :( |
| 21:39.06 | znf | 100/5?! |
| 21:39.09 | znf | how does that even work? :-| |
| 21:39.11 | Gnarfoz | fine |
| 21:39.23 | Humbedooh | should work fine |
| 21:39.24 | Gnarfoz | (and it's cable) |
| 21:39.28 | Stanzilla | https://mediacru.sh/7P3XPGo-Sz2V.png |
| 21:39.31 | nevcairiel | thats around the limit of what still works fine |
| 21:39.40 | silentium | 5 is enough for the TCP acks ;) |
| 21:39.45 | nevcairiel | a full 100mbit download will probably nearly saturate the upload |
| 21:40.25 | Gnarfoz | I thought that was a myth |
| 21:40.26 | sb | could get 150/5, but.. *shrug* |
| 21:40.33 | silentium | and that's probably the only reason why they actually give you the 5 |
| 21:40.35 | Stanzilla | awesome fritzbox overview |
| 21:40.36 | Gnarfoz | because of receive side window scaling |
| 21:40.47 | znf | I would be pissed :P |
| 21:40.50 | znf | download a file in 1 minute |
| 21:40.52 | znf | upload it in 15 :D |
| 21:40.56 | Gnarfoz | Kabel Deutschland offered 100/3 for years |
| 21:41.00 | Gnarfoz | (or was it 100/2.5?) |
| 21:41.17 | Gnarfoz | and you could download at 12 MiB/s "just fine" |
| 21:41.32 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: its not as bad as it was portrayed in some articles, but it can be a problem |
| 21:41.48 | Gnarfoz | the other way around is a lot worse anyway |
| 21:41.59 | Gnarfoz | where using your upload utterly kills everything else |
| 21:42.13 | Gnarfoz | which, in case you have gotten used to it: should not be the case! |
| 21:42.34 | nevcairiel | Ever since I got the fritz box, that hasn't been so big of an issue anymore, I've always wondered if it does some traffic shaping |
| 21:42.56 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufferbloat :o |
| 21:42.57 | Stanzilla | would not even have to move far: https://mediacru.sh/NB9Lf5a8_aZn.png |
| 21:43.30 | nevcairiel | now we know where he lives! |
| 21:43.42 | Stanzilla | denic could have told you before |
| 21:44.00 | Gnarfoz | if/when I move (or get proper internet here... it almost feels possible now!), I'll grab some cheap router that can be flashed with openwrt... and put this on it: http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt |
| 21:44.28 | znf | <Gnarfoz> and you could download at 12 MiB/s "just fine" |
| 21:44.28 | Gnarfoz | should work even when cascading the cheap router behind my regular one |
| 21:44.31 | znf | you can download, but that's it :D |
| 21:45.23 | nevcairiel | I got way too lazy to run a nerd-router |
| 21:45.33 | Gnarfoz | I don't have one these days, either |
| 21:45.37 | znf | nerd-router? |
| 21:45.40 | nevcairiel | used to run dd-wrt and later openwrt ... gave up and got a fritz box, happy ever since |
| 21:45.42 | Gnarfoz | but I probably will do again |
| 21:45.58 | Gnarfoz | so you threw money at the problem! :D |
| 21:46.23 | nevcairiel | needed a vdsl modem anyway, so yeah |
| 21:46.39 | znf | I run a mikrotik routerboard |
| 21:46.42 | znf | I need a gigabit upgrade |
| 21:47.13 | znf | it's useful 'cose I can do EoIP tunnels :P |
| 21:47.21 | znf | and other fancy stuff |
| 21:48.26 | znf | wtf is "bufferbloat"? |
| 21:48.28 | nevcairiel | I also like AVM as a company, they really handle their stuff properly. Upgraded older models with firmware for new features all the time instead of just selling new models, rapid and really professional response to the security scare from a few weeks ago |
| 21:48.38 | nevcairiel | znf: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufferbloat |
| 21:48.45 | Gnarfoz | znf: read the wikipedia article? :D |
| 21:49.03 | Stanzilla | yes avm is good german quality |
| 21:49.11 | Gnarfoz | plot twist: company is swiss |
| 21:49.14 | znf | oh, I don't have that issue, I think |
| 21:49.16 | Gnarfoz | (or something) |
| 21:49.24 | znf | our ISPs either do FTTH/B or PPPoE |
| 21:49.39 | Gnarfoz | which doesn't mean you can't have the issue |
| 21:49.48 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: its actually german, out of berlin |
| 21:49.49 | Gnarfoz | (especially since ADSL and VDSL are PPPoE) |
| 21:49.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I was joking :| |
| 21:50.18 | znf | isn't most ADSL PPPoA? |
| 21:50.21 | znf | no wait, it's not |
| 21:50.27 | Gnarfoz | 0% of Germany's, I think |
| 21:50.30 | nevcairiel | all ADSL i've ever seen is PPPoE |
| 21:50.33 | Stanzilla | swiss would have been fine, too :D |
| 21:50.36 | nevcairiel | but ive only seen german ADSL |
| 21:50.37 | Gnarfoz | but |
| 21:51.00 | Gnarfoz | it was ATM in the backbone at the beginning |
| 21:51.04 | Gnarfoz | so PPPoEoA xD |
| 21:51.12 | Gnarfoz | (I'm not even joking now) |
| 21:51.29 | Gnarfoz | but this was 1999 =] |
| 21:51.44 | znf | meh, I don't run a packet scheduler on my router anyway :P |
| 21:52.42 | MysticalOS | my ADSL is PPPoE BUt accepts PPPOA if you set it. in fact two diff dsl companies i've used had pppoe modems but if i used my own modem and plugged in right numbers, accept PPPoA. I prefer PPPoA because PPPoE uses an 8byte header which means you have to change tcp size by -8 if you want to avoid fragmentation |
| 21:53.01 | Gnarfoz | TCP MSS 1492! |
| 21:53.03 | Gnarfoz | \o/ |
| 21:53.10 | MysticalOS | <3 routertech custom modem/router firmware with all the bells and whistles for fine tuning my DSL |
| 21:53.35 | silentium | ADSL is PPPoE (oA) in Germany because DTAG wanted to sell their time-based contracts just like with analog/ISDN and needed a mechanism to "connect" and "disconnect" |
| 21:53.54 | Gnarfoz | yiiiipyipyipyip |
| 21:54.04 | Gnarfoz | cf.: 24h disconnect |
| 21:54.26 | Gnarfoz | (although nowadays, it's almost a positive feature) |
| 21:54.33 | silentium | in other countries they do IP over ATM directly without all the bloated overhead |
| 21:54.38 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: If i understand this right, bufferbloat is only a real problem if you try to use low-latency applications in a already congested network, right? so... turn off torrent when gaming? :) |
| 21:54.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: point is: it should work even while torrenting |
| 21:55.00 | Gnarfoz | that's what TCP was designed for |
| 21:55.40 | Gnarfoz | not at optimum latency, but certainly not "lulz 2500 ms latency in WoW because my phone is uploading photos to TEH CLOUD" |
| 21:55.44 | nevcairiel | personally i've never noticed any latency problems while downloading in my current connection |
| 21:55.50 | Gnarfoz | no, while uploading |
| 21:55.52 | MysticalOS | my DSL totally cannot handle any gaming while torrenting. can't handle much of anything if anything if uploading |
| 21:56.08 | MysticalOS | if upload pipe is max or near max, download latency goes to utter shit |
| 21:56.09 | Gnarfoz | MysticalOS: that's bufferbloat 101 |
| 21:56.23 | nevcairiel | i capped my torrents at 80% upload speed |
| 21:56.34 | MysticalOS | i cap my torrents at 0% upload |
| 21:56.37 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:56.39 | MysticalOS | and disable p2p in blizzards shit downloader |
| 21:56.41 | MysticalOS | :) |
| 21:56.49 | silentium | my torrent client uses a separate LAN IP address, and the router treats upload data from that IP with lower priority, problem solved |
| 21:56.59 | Gnarfoz | well, that, I do, because you couldn't (for the longest time) throttle it at all |
| 21:57.00 | MysticalOS | of course i also have to firewall blizzards downloader from still seeding |
| 21:57.02 | nevcairiel | some time ago a friend was downloading stuff from me over ftp though, that was 100% upload, and i didnt even notice it was happening |
| 21:57.06 | nevcairiel | so something must be working right |
| 21:57.18 | MysticalOS | cause even if p2p is disabled, it connects to tracker and still seeds to clients, even though it's disabled. all the disable toggle actually does is sets your upload to 0 |
| 21:57.27 | MysticalOS | but still very much enabled |
| 21:57.35 | MysticalOS | so i firewall the shit out of app cause that annoys me |
| 21:57.46 | silentium | that way I dont need to manually fiddle with an upload bandwidth limit in the torrent client depending on how much other stuff I do at the same time |
| 21:58.20 | Gnarfoz | what's "die halbe Miete" in english, guys |
| 21:58.27 | Gnarfoz | traffic shaping is $translation |
| 21:58.36 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: half the battle? |
| 21:58.41 | Gnarfoz | no idea |
| 21:58.47 | nevcairiel | suppose that works |
| 21:58.59 | Gnarfoz | if you have traffic shaping set up, you're halfway there, already |
| 21:59.01 | Stanzilla | halfway there or so |
| 21:59.16 | MysticalOS | i use traffic shapping in my routertech firmware too. to ensure no one lags my wow, ever, with BS |
| 22:00.01 | nevcairiel | fritzbox does traffic shaping, although I dont think i can configure it |
| 22:00.02 | Gnarfoz | active queue management (which is what that CoDel thing is used for) is the other half |
| 22:00.03 | Stanzilla | my fritzbox does traffic shaping too |
| 22:00.11 | MysticalOS | i also set rshaper speed limits on certain IP addresses like my iphone so device is speed capped, so even if someone sexts me or something I don't lag in wow, while iphone is downloading a bunch of pics |
| 22:00.15 | Stanzilla | there once was a on/off switch for it nevcairiel |
| 22:00.19 | Stanzilla | seems to be gone now though |
| 22:00.38 | Stanzilla | now I only have that IPTV setting so that stuff does not lag |
| 22:00.54 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 22:00.56 | nevcairiel | there is a setting |
| 22:01.25 | nevcairiel | hm, no manual configuration though |
| 22:01.40 | nevcairiel | can tell it to lower priority of torrents, and stuff like that, only pre-defined categories |
| 22:01.54 | nevcairiel | or lower priority of certain devices |
| 22:02.33 | silentium | devices by MAC, IP or voodoo? |
| 22:02.34 | MysticalOS | for anyone with DSL, i recommend shitcanning ISP box, buying a cheap box and throwing http://www.routertech.org/viewforum.php?f=3 on it. it's DSL gold. |
| 22:02.40 | nevcairiel | silentium: IP |
| 22:03.09 | nevcairiel | silentium: well actually by the fritz.box internal device list, which may even track mac |
| 22:03.15 | silentium | nevcairiel: then configure a second IP for the PC and tell the torrent client to use that, Transmission has some config file settings for that |
| 22:03.16 | Gnarfoz | I'd recommend CeroWRT over anything right now :D |
| 22:03.27 | nevcairiel | silentium: i dont have any problems |
| 22:03.37 | silentium | alright :) |
| 22:03.38 | nevcairiel | also, my torrent is in a VM with its own IP :) |
| 22:03.43 | Funkeh` | Fisker, http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/dear-asus-router-user-youve-been-pwned-thanks-to-easily-exploited-flaw/ |
| 22:03.45 | Gnarfoz | http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/RRUL_Rogues_Gallery results speak for themselves; but I've been kind of obsessed with bufferbloat, ever since Gettys made his first post about it |
| 22:05.07 | Gnarfoz | MysticalOS: forum is kind of... hard to navigate. is it linux/netfilter based? |
| 22:05.29 | MysticalOS | yes |
| 22:06.20 | MysticalOS | i actually use wrong firmware on my modem on purpose for newer DSL driver that provides more stability under low SNR margins |
| 22:06.39 | MysticalOS | 7.05 driver is so good at handling margins as low as 0-2 |
| 22:06.55 | Gnarfoz | well, I guess you could throw just the fq_codel thing in there, then |
| 22:06.57 | MysticalOS | the 1350 wireless chip firmwares have 7.01 driver and that will drop connections on lower margins easier |
| 22:07.11 | MysticalOS | i use wrong firmware, which makes the wireless not work, but gives me a more stable dsl driver |
| 22:07.20 | nevcairiel | I could throw a stone at the connection box from my window, i'm happy to always enjoy good connection quality |
| 22:07.26 | MysticalOS | i use my own wireless anyways, a N router that's in bridge mode |
| 22:07.32 | Gnarfoz | since it's basically just a netfilter... god I lost all terminology memory |
| 22:08.56 | Gnarfoz | oh, it needs Linux 3.3 |
| 22:09.04 | Gnarfoz | https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki#Linux-Code :\ |
| 22:13.24 | nevcairiel | One day I should try to reproduce such problems, but with shaping in place my connection always felt rather stable, even when uploading while playing |
| 22:14.15 | nevcairiel | years ago i felt the issues, on my old slow connection |
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