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01:45.56Repoa309298: Mount button loading modifications
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03:30.31Repod3cb115: Fixed a typo
03:30.31Repoeb13f40: Added Monk Stagger # tag/text - Reduced the time between Stagger updates to 0.25s
03:30.31Repo1edc230: Fixed visual issues with rune/totem/etc bars when you have another bar dynamically showing and hiding - Fixed totem bars not instantly hiding when a class only has 1 totem and it hits 0 seconds - Fully disable deletion of default text tags - Added timers for totems/runes
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06:50.41Repoupdated command history supplied by the history module
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07:21.40Stanzillamorning
07:21.44nevcairielmorning
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07:27.50Stanzillaoh it's december now
07:50.51nevcairielthats changes everything!
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07:52.51Repolibbabble-creaturetype-3-0: 03nevcairiel * r135 LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0.lua:
07:52.51RepoAutomated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system
07:53.07Repolibbabble-creaturetype-3-0: 03nevcairiel 045.4-release12 * r136 : Weekly Tag - #12
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08:06.46Stanzillayeah time for adventskalender
08:34.01Adirelle"on cooldown" or "in cooldown" ?
08:34.07Stanzillaon
08:35.15Adirellethx
08:42.22Stanzillahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOBCUf_-sf4&proxmate=us
08:42.25Stanzillagotta level my monk now
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09:11.06winkwow
09:11.20winkI had to read the thread to even grasp the bsics of rhe problem
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09:14.43Repo6eac549: Tweaked and updated the localization.
09:14.43Repo9d73a2d: Do not validate item names ; this can cause issue when they are not in client cache.
09:14.43Repofb42d7a: Added a bit of help in the spell configuration panel.
09:14.57Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 041.0-beta-15 * 1c8c1ec /: [new tag] Tagging as 1.0-beta-15.
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09:15.05Repo6eac549: Tweaked and updated the localization.
09:15.07Repo9d73a2d: Do not validate item names ; this can cause issue when they are not in client cache.
09:15.09Repofb42d7a: Added a bit of help in the spell configuration panel.
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09:26.15Stanzillawink: I should have mentioned it probably :D
09:26.36winkI don't play D3 anymore :P
09:28.01winkthink I only played to Hell, Act 2
09:30.40StanzillaI was a really shitty game
09:30.56Stanzillajust starting to get better with the first expansion
09:31.21winkdunno, it was nice untill 60
09:31.31winkbut nm/hell was so repetitive
09:31.39winkand at times too unfair regarding class
09:32.21winkmaybe worth a try again without AH
09:32.33winkI didnt even level a 2nd 60 tho
09:48.07nevcairielI have high hopes for the expansion to fix the game, but we'll see how it turns out
09:52.27winkwe summed it up as "it's a nice game, but if 'going to bed' or 'take a break to eat' are feasible alternatives, it's just not a great game"
09:52.39winkit wasn't bad - it just didn't glue you to the seat
09:54.29nevcairielit did initially, just not long-term
09:54.51nevcairiellike the first two difficulties before hitting 60
09:55.38nevcairieland before the AH was full of cheap items that made you OP and you never had to care about drops
10:06.30winkmaybe it's alittle unfair, but if I wait 10 years for it, it may last longer than a month
10:13.49Stanzillatruth is
10:14.00Stanzilladiablo is only fun if you get rewarded for the stuff you do on a regular basis
10:14.21Stanzillaand the expac does that way better than vanilla
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10:32.13StanzillaGnarfoz sb http://stadt-bremerhaven.de/allcast-beta-ab-sofort-ueber-google-play-beta-programm-erhaeltlich/ Fisker get fucked or use google translate :D
10:32.48Fiskerok gonna get fucked tom hanks Stanzilla
10:33.02Stanzilla=) you're welcome
10:34.18Fiskercan't see what I would want it for
10:34.51znfStanzilla, why can't XBMC "access" my mapped drives? :-|
10:35.07Stanzillaznf: why would I know that? :E
10:35.18znfI'm starting to regret the update to win8
10:35.36Stanzillayou're pretty easy to defeat
10:35.51Fiskerprobably because you suck znf
10:35.57Fiskertry mapping them manually
10:36.05znfFisker, they are mapped in Windows...
10:36.08znfthey were in 7, too
10:36.10znfthey worked just fine
10:36.26znfnow in 8 they XBMC says that path is invalid, though my drive is still mapped in windows
10:37.27FiskerWorks for me
10:37.31FiskerBut I mapped it manually as I said
10:37.38Fiskerif you try to browse network shares it's kinda wonky
10:37.52znfI tried to uninstall a program earlier, and when I clicked uninstall, Windows said it can't find the uninstaller for that. Gave me the option to browse for the .exe; with that small browsing window the file was not there. I went manually in Program Files and used the .exe in there
10:37.58znfThere's something funky with file permissions >_<
10:39.18znfwoah, wait a second, that fast&furios guy died at 40? he was 40? damn actors! :-|
10:39.26Fiskeror maybe the uninstaller wasn't registered properly
10:39.51FiskerI think it's a conspiracy to give jason statham the lead
10:55.50ElkanoFunkeh`, I did check the supported charsets in LSM before adding the fonts, that's why the table is in there...
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12:00.02nevcairielLFDs are fun. I'm the healer, a resto druid, and i have more life then the tank, and do more damage then the shadow priest <.<
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12:11.54ElkanoI miss the low(er)-level dungeons where the tank-pala could just heal himself... you could almost solo them...
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12:51.47Funkeh`Elkano, all that table indicates is what fonts are n which clients
12:51.55Funkeh`hence why I added the additinal note
12:53.08Funkeh`we need to implement a new multi lungual friz or blizz needs to
12:54.37Stanzillajust wip out a font editor and do some copy pasta
12:55.23Funkeh`is it possible to merge the characters from both fonts?
12:55.50Stanzillayes
12:56.14Funkeh`hmm ill need to look into that
12:57.26bluspacecowTurkey Slap it in!
12:58.50Stanzillamost of the font edition software is not free though
13:04.36ElkanoFunkeh`, I ment the comment table
13:04.53Funkeh`what other table is there?
13:06.46Elkanoline 92+
13:07.34ElkanoI checked the font files using langcover.pl
13:07.46Elkano(perl script, not web page)
13:08.03Funkeh`I'm not saying I don't believe you
13:08.17Elkanowas just the source for that table
13:08.45Funkeh`well there was nothing explaining that, so I added the comment
13:11.14Elkanobtw: you should have simply reverted your change instead of comitting... you changed that table, too and forgot to change it back
13:11.45Funkeh`no
13:11.59Funkeh`If a change has been made to bump the minor it doesn't get reverted
13:12.07Funkeh`also, <Funkeh`> Elkano, all that table indicates is what fonts are n which clients
13:12.44Elkanono, the fonts are on all clients
13:13.02Elkanothe table just indicates which charsets are fully supported by that font
13:14.27Elkanoand you marked FRIZQT___CYR.TTF as supporting latin and forgot to remove that mark once you reverted your change
13:14.56Funkeh`I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself
13:18.30Elkanoalso, for font editing, try FontForge
13:19.06Elkanohowever, I doubt you'd be allowed to merge those fonts yourself and redistribute them
13:19.16Repolibsharedmedia-3-0: 03funkydude * r86 LibSharedMedia-3.0/LibSharedMedia-3.0.lua: improve the comments
13:20.39Funkeh`They are still distributed with the game technically
13:20.58Funkeh`It wasa dumb ommision on Blizz's part to leave out special latin characters
13:21.11Funkeh`I'm not sure they even realize
13:22.04Funkeh`maybe it will be more apparent next patch when chracters start turning into cyrrilic in peoples raid warnings
13:22.46Stanzilla=) ou're welcome
13:22.47Stanzillamorning
13:23.04Stanzilla..
13:23.05Stanzillacat
13:23.19bluspacecowdog!
13:23.21bluspacecowwoof!
13:23.21nevcairielyoiur cat can type full words?
13:23.30Stanzillaarrow up history
13:23.34quiescenso.o
13:23.48Funkeh`ah damn that's moreexcusable than macros
13:23.52quiescenshow do we know it isn't still your cat typing?
13:24.13bluspacecowits a talented cat!
13:24.14Elkanobtw: while you did increase the minor for your change, you should have put it to 5040101 (5.4.1 v1) ;)
13:26.47bluspacecow*nows quiescens*
13:26.52bluspacecownoms even
13:27.10quiescensgivs blu a cookie
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13:43.52Stanzillanevcairiel: https://github.com/dandruff/xCT/issues/49#issuecomment-24983170
13:45.27nevcairieldoesnt sound fixed =p
14:04.12Stanzillanevcairiel: it shows the values though
14:06.57nevcairieli told you before thats msbt uses the combatlog, and that thing uses blizzards sct to steal the info, which makes it non-trivial to add it. ask the author or switch addon :p
14:07.11Stanzillameeeeh
14:07.33znfI was thinking of switching to xCT for performance reasons :-S
14:08.02nevcairielor just turn absorbs on in blizzards sct and use msbt for the rest :P
14:08.40znfI'll give xCT a try
14:08.44znfwhen my ban is lifted... >_<
14:08.54nevcairielso never?
14:09.03znfit's a few hours left
14:09.18Stanzillaxct has no animations
14:09.30Stanzillait's just up/down
14:09.42Stanzillaand I heard SCT does support absorbs, too
14:09.44Stanzillabut meh
14:09.44znfso you say, even less strain on the CPU? :P
14:10.01nevcairielif i had cpu issues, i would just turn it off completely
14:10.23nevcairielwith the spam of numbers its not like you can actually read it in the middle of a fight
14:10.56znfI can't play without it. I feel like my screen is empty :P
14:11.03nevcairielthen buy a cpu
14:11.09znfneed new platform completely
14:11.17znfI'm still on 775, Q6600 :P
14:12.17znfand a Core i5 + Mobo + RAM is more than what would my salary would be if I would have worked
14:13.01nevcairielstill has an unused i7-2600k and a gtx 680 lying around, too lazy to ebay
14:13.39znfrub it in ^^
14:13.57znfMy only other choice would be go to AMD, but :-/
14:16.07RessyDon't feel bad znf. I'm on the same CPU, only oc'd to 3.0
14:16.24Stanzilladon't give him ideas
14:16.26Stanzillahe would break it
14:17.20Stanzillanevcairiel: you could SLI with the spare card, or not?
14:17.30nevcairiela 780 and a 680?
14:17.40Stanzillayeah
14:17.41nevcairielcant really SLI Different models
14:17.45Stanzillayou sure?
14:19.06znfRessy, I can't OC :)
14:19.09znfIntel mobo
14:19.59nevcairielStanzilla: pretty sure
14:21.14znfactually, I should check to see how much is an amd kit
14:22.02Stanzillanevcairiel: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/sli-with-different-cards.158907/page-29#post-3008883
14:22.34nevcairielSLI has enough issues as it is, I would not increase that by hacking the driver :P
14:22.42Stanzillajust saying
14:22.47Stanzillayou could give the card to me, too!
14:22.53StanzillaI have a 680 :D
14:23.08znffrom what I glanced, it needs to be the same device_id
14:23.18znfpretty sure 680 / 780 have device id
14:23.33nevcairieli'll probably just use the 2600k and the card to build a test machine for the future
14:23.51znfStanzilla, that driver seems to be used for SLI with different manufacturer cards
14:24.00znfie: one Zotac and one Asus
14:24.02znfbut same model
14:24.16nevcairielthat works with default drivers even
14:24.22Stanzillayeah
14:24.29Stanzillalook at the screenshot above the post I linked
14:24.37nevcairielas long as the cards are the same chip, you can even combine one OC and one non-OC card
14:24.37znfhttp://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/sli-with-different-cards.158907/page-30#post-3012415
14:24.39Stanzillaclearly shows two different cards working in SLI
14:25.03Funkeh`nevcairiel> if i had cpu issues, i would just turn it off completely
14:25.08Funkeh`I'd have it off with or without
14:25.16Stanzillayou can be pretty sure that with this amount of hackery it does not work for everyone out of the box :D
14:25.17Funkeh`don't see any reason for it
14:25.36Funkeh`reading some spam is the last thing you're thinking of when trying to kill a boss
14:25.57znfIs nice to see what's hitting you in a raid. I love to see if I'm getting any heals or not.
14:26.39Funkeh`why
14:26.44nevcairieli can ignore it pretty effectively, and i have my settings tuned way down to make the spam less annoying, but i still like seeing it
14:26.48Funkeh`if you're not, you die,if you are, you don't
14:27.02Funkeh`you also have a health bar with predictive healing
14:27.04znfFunkeh`, or I could use a defensive cooldown
14:27.48znfholy f* at the TDP of AMD's A10
14:28.52znfI thought that being poorly performing compared to Intel it would have a lower TDP O.O
14:29.14nevcairielas a healer it gives me a bit of an indication if my heals actually hit or all is overhealing and i might be able to re-focus some efforts, but its only marginal and not the main decision driver, so meh
14:29.39Funkeh`sorry, I didn't mean numbers over an npc or friendly I have those on
14:29.41znfit's still an extra visual cue which is nice
14:31.07nevcairieli really only look at the outgoing stuff, if at all, the incoming is still visible, but has a lot of spam control to summarize events and stuff
14:31.29nevcairielcould probably turn it off and wouldnt miss it
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14:31.59znfI use it to figure out what better times to use certain stuff, for example Vampiric Embrace, while learning a fight
14:32.28znfas I won't be looking trough combat logs later to see how much it healed, I'm gonna see it in the scrolling text
14:33.29znfmeh, seems there's no point in going for an AMD platform: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core2-Quad-Q6600-vs-AMD-A8-6600K
14:33.47nevcairieltheir cpus arent that great anymore
14:34.07Funkeh`there hasn't been since the phenom days which os probably what is making you think of TDP
14:34.07znfI know :(
14:34.33znfreally a shame, tbh
14:34.35Funkeh`price and lower TDP was a reall boon
14:34.45nevcairielthe latest cpus have outrageuos TDP for the performance they deliver
14:35.03Funkeh`yeah no clue what they are doing
14:35.04nevcairielwhile intel keeps lowering it
14:35.10nevcairiel(the tdp)
14:35.13znfIntel has no reason to lower down their prices, with pretty much no competition
14:35.39znfThe only case I would see to buy an AMD CPU is maybe for a HTPC, but even there there's those embedded INtel thingies that rock
14:36.01znfthose "NUC" thingies
14:36.29nevcairielthats just a ULV intel cpu, but yeah
14:36.33znf(and while googling I saw someone listing "no thunderbolt" as a CON)
14:36.49nevcairieli thought they even had models with thunderbolt now
14:37.13znfThey do? I was looking at the 4th gen 2013 which apparently doesn't
14:37.21nevcairielthere is different models
14:37.28nevcairielsome have ethernet, some have thunderbolt
14:37.29nevcairielor something
14:38.09znfI'm still failing to see the appeal of thunderbolt at the moment
14:38.19znfAnyone happens to have a thunderbolt device around?
14:38.43Funkeh`thunderbolt is just the shadow of the product it was meant to be
14:38.53znfthat optical thing, you mean?
14:39.00Funkeh`yes
14:39.00znfwhat was it called? Lightpeak?
14:39.13Funkeh`I think so
14:39.27nevcairielmaybe it'll get bigger in the next generation, now that generic PCs slowly start to adopt it
14:39.32nevcairieland not only macs
14:40.04StanzillaGnarfoz
14:40.20znfnevcairiel, though, you have to think about it - what good did it do to Firewire? Weren't they initially only on macs then they started appearing on PCs?
14:40.21StanzillaI can only flex till 19:00 today
14:40.30znfMy mobo has a Firewire port. Don't even know how to use it :P
14:40.55znfbrb
14:40.58StanzillaI had a firewire soundcard
14:40.59nevcairielfirewire always was kind of a niche, it didnt even offer big advantages over usb
14:41.00Stanzillait never worked
14:41.07nevcairielbut thunderbolt at least has the superior tech
14:41.36znfwell, Firewire was faster than USB when they released it, if I remember corectly. Speed was their advantage at the time
14:41.50znfThough they released USB2 soon enough, if memory serves me right
14:48.31Gnarfozthat, and firewire did daisy chaining
14:49.03GnarfozStanzilla: I posted that into guild chat, I won't be there on time myself (or not at all, maybe)
14:49.23Stanzillaok
14:49.41StanzillaGnarfoz: what do you do on a sunday?
14:51.01znfseriously, Blizzard, it's been 72 hours... >_<
14:51.34nevcairieli told you znf, never
14:51.44znf:-(
14:52.59znfbtw, is it worth having a K CPU?
14:53.01znffrom Intel?
14:53.11nevcairielonly if you plan to overclock
14:53.12znfcompared to the locked version?
14:53.28znfthe difference is 50€ O.O
14:53.54Stanzillaironicly the K is missing stuff the other one has
14:54.01nevcairielthe K also sometimes are slightly faster in stock speed, depending on what you compare to
14:54.39znfonline stores that don't have extensive filters are annoying me :(
14:54.45znfso hard to add the count of memory slots? :(
14:54.57znfand chipset!
14:55.05nevcairieli dont think i have seen a board with other then 4 slots
14:55.32znf2 slots for mATX?
14:55.46nevcairielwell i guess the really tiny boards could go lower
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14:55.55nevcairielbut even typical mATX just cuts off PCIe slots
14:56.39znfmost asus/asrock matx boards have 2 dimm slots
14:56.54znfthe Haswell chipsets are really confusing me :-/
14:57.15znfEven with the table of differences on screen, I don't see why there's so many
14:57.53nevcairielyou can basically ignore Q, thats for business/workstation, and B is absolut low-cost/low-feature, so in the end it comes to Z or H
14:58.25nevcairielZ has slightly more features and allows CPU OC
14:58.27nevcairielH doesn't
14:59.04znfdiffernce between Q and H87 only seems to be those management features, right?
14:59.40nevcairielpretty much
14:59.46nevcairielbut many of those only work on non-K CPUs
15:00.00znfbtw, anyone ever used that smart response technology?
15:00.43znfHow does it work if you already have a SSD for your OS? Will it just cache stuff from my "classic" hdd?
15:02.09znfAlso, what happened to those hdd's with ram combo?
15:02.48nevcairielyou have to tell it which disc to cache
15:03.30znfOh, I see. Can it work with raid arrays? ie: cache this raid5
15:03.36nevcairielno
15:03.49znfboo
15:04.25znfI seem to have 3x1TB drives around, was considering a RAID5 for them
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15:12.42znf"ASRock Dehumidifier Function" wat?
15:13.02Megalonit dehumidifies, znf
15:13.12Megalonto counteract swampass
15:13.20znfno shit? how does a mobo dehumidifies? >_<
15:13.46Megalonit has a small package of rice in it
15:13.56Megalonif it runs hot enough the rice gets even cooked
15:14.00Megalonfree meal
15:14.47nevcairielznf: it makes the mobo heat up slightly so that the hot air can carry more water and then runs the fans to blow out the warmed air, its quite ridiculous
15:15.30Megalonso if you live in the monsoon region?
15:15.38Megalonor there is a local flood
15:16.24znf365€ for a Kit I would like :-/
15:16.45MegalonI'd buy a KITT for 365
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15:19.00znfthe memory price increase is ridiculous
15:24.13znfyay, no more ban
15:24.14Megalonglad i bought my 16gb kit for 75€ last year :x
15:24.26znf8gb kit is 80€ now >_<
15:24.28Gnarfozhttp://geizhals.de/?phist=837886&age=9999 oO
15:24.37winknevcairiel: seriously?
15:24.43GnarfozI hadn't really paid attention, that's more than double the price it was before
15:24.59nevcairieli'm always serious
15:25.02nevcairielunless i'm not
15:26.51MegalonGnarfoz, it's like bitcoins ;<
15:26.56Gnarfozheh
15:26.59Gnarfozwonder what happened
15:27.03Megalonbought my kit october 2012 :o
15:27.22znfGnarfoz, they're probably buying their primary mats with bitcoins! :D
15:27.32Gnarfozunless it's the usual "whoops we have way too much production capacity, prices are bottoming out, let's reduce" -> "whoops, nobody is buying our shit since it's too expensive" back and forth
15:27.33bluspacecow@Megalon I cans eats it ?
15:28.47Megaloni can cans you bluspacecow
15:28.54bluspacecowoks
15:29.03bluspacecow*transforms into can*
15:31.15Gnarfozwhat's the deal with cpu-integrated memory controllers anyway right now? my sandy bridge cpu officially supports 1066 and 1333 MHz DIMMs, but I'm running 1600 MHz ones - am I running it out of spec or is something else going on
15:31.27GnarfozI'm pretty sure I knew this when I bought it, but apparently, I forgot :D
15:31.37znfsomeone should figure out a way to embed GPS into USB Flash Drives
15:31.47znfCan't wait for tomorow to have the ones I ordered :-/
15:31.51znfI seem to be losing them like crazy :(
15:32.19Gnarfozyou don't need just GPS, you'd also need some method of communication
15:32.23nevcairielGnarfoz: technically its out of spec, but the controllers can usually go higher then what they are build for, same deal as before they were on the cpu
15:32.52znfGnarfoz, obviously
15:33.06Megalontalkback usb flash drives
15:33.27znfwe need usb drives with a "recall" function
15:33.37znfso they appear in your hands again
15:33.54znfOut of all the flash drives I ever had, I remember breaking just 2
15:34.02znfThe rest? I have no idea where they disappeared
15:34.06Megalonyea znf, and just call them mjöllnir
15:34.53znfI remember breaking one when I was demonstrating to a friend how flexible it is: "See? It bends SO MUCH!!! *snap* oh fuck"
15:36.32quiescenso.o
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15:41.41znfhmmm, having a SSD really speeds up the Curse Client
15:41.57znfusing it on a HDD is painfully slow to the point I'm tempted to manually update addons
15:42.54quiescensssd tends to be particularly helpful for anything that works with lots of small files instead of a few big files
15:43.54sbusing ANYTHONG on hdd is painful
15:44.00sbTHING
15:44.36nevcairielreading big sequential files isnt that bad, random access is where it really hurts
15:45.07znfhaving to move the magnetic heads all over the place to read a file is the bad part ^^
15:46.15Stanzillaoh dear internet http://i.4cdn.org/b/src/1385909885168.jpg
15:46.35Stanzillaalso Gnarfoz do tell now
15:48.17quiescensgo to sleep~
15:48.28blucannedcowkk
15:48.39blucannedcow*sleeps on top of quiescens*
15:51.26StanzillaI was just called gay for reading 50 shades of grey :(
15:51.37nevcairieli support that sentiment
15:51.42quiescensfeeds blu a cookie
15:52.01quiescenswho reads books these days anyway?
15:52.30Stanzillait's a PDF!
15:52.52znfWhy are you reading that? :-|
15:53.26Stanzillasomeone told me it
15:53.50znfHow old is she and what's her boob size?
15:54.10Stanzillaidk and idk :D
15:54.22znf*blink*
15:54.35blucannedcow<PROTECTED>
15:54.38blucannedcowDon't look
15:54.47blucannedcow*disappears in cloud of smoke*
15:54.52sbhuh?
16:10.16silentiumwas it the blue space cow who told you to read it, Stanzilla?
16:10.24Stanzillano
16:10.35Stanzillahe's like beyond gay
16:15.32znfStanzilla, why are people going to huge efforts to install RoS?
16:16.57Stanzilladatamining?
16:16.58Stanzilladunno
16:17.45nevcairielpeople are weird like that
16:18.02znfhuge thread on OC about how to get it working
16:18.11znfand they're, like "game is working, stuck at the login screen"
16:18.14znfno shit?
16:27.41znfSo, I'm quite "impressed" that after all these years, nobody made a system-wide equlizer for Windows :-/
16:28.32nevcairielits pretty hard, you cant just plug one in there
16:28.35nevcairielmany soundcards have one
16:28.46znfmine had one, too, but it doesn't work in Win8
16:28.48nevcairielif you want one independent of that, it would need to mimic a sound driver
16:28.55znfI found an APO
16:29.00znfBut it doesn't seem to work in Win8 :(
16:29.03nevcairieland then after processing send it to the real sound card
16:29.14znfhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/equalizerapo/
16:29.15nevcairiel..which adds latency, which can be bad for gaming
16:29.41znfI'm wondering *why* it doesn't work under Win8 :-/
16:29.46znfWorked fine under 7
16:29.58znfGuess my mobo is becoming way too old
16:30.20blucannedcowwill it help if I ate it znf ?
16:30.27znfno :(
16:30.31nevcairielisnt that just an ordinary realteak onboard chip?
16:30.35nevcairielrealtek*
16:31.23znfno, it's some retarded IDT chip
16:31.47Stanzillathat works with realtek drivers too
16:32.00znfUhm, how do you know that?
16:32.10Stanzillahad similiar ones
16:32.25znfAny ideas if the EQ works?
16:32.30Stanzilladid for me
16:32.43znfSo which one should I try?
16:32.53znfjust the generic High Def Audio Codec?
16:33.00Stanzillayes
16:33.18znfcool, let's see
16:39.53blucannedcow(!)
16:39.56blucannedcowI finds a dime!
16:41.10znfDoes realtek have 1Mbit CDNs? >_<
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16:43.12znfah, cool, it's available on filehippo, too
16:49.37znfStanzilla, well, I installed the realtek driver, rebooted, nothing happened :-/
16:50.35Stanzillaok
16:51.08znfShould I do anything "special"? Force the driver to install or did it just work for you?
16:51.14Stanzillait just worked
16:51.28Stanzillatry the device manager method
16:51.31Stanzillapoint it to the inf
16:53.08znfwell, crap: http://i.imgur.com/5hmyzJi.png
16:53.29sbhave disk
16:54.53znfsb, that's what I did and i got this huge list :-/
16:55.07znfguess I'll try them all
16:58.31blucannedcowthe pink one
16:58.36blucannedcowchoose the pine one
17:14.28znfoh, there's no more WinSAT in 8.1 O.O
17:18.41znfOH! I got Equalizer APO to work!
17:18.48znfWith the default windows driver
17:19.29Stanzillawinsat is still there, just no gui
17:20.36znfStanzilla, so how do I get my scores?
17:20.45Stanzillacmd something
17:24.25znfthe CLI output is not useful :D
18:07.46Repoprat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r918 modules/Editbox.lua: Handle empty cmdhistory in already pushed code
18:08.22StanzillaI heard sylvanaar wants to update chatter, too
18:08.25Stanzillathx bro
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18:10.21sylvanaarStanzilla: chatter might want to make a new module for this - you have to do really stupid stuff to make the arrows work like they used to
18:10.57Stanzillawell you used the chat history stuff in prat, right?
18:11.02Stanzillabecause chatter has that, too
18:12.06sylvanaarhmm, ok. this is the command history. for the edit boxes. does it have saved command history also?
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18:12.22Stanzillanot sure
18:12.28StanzillaI never used the chat history stuff
18:13.53sylvanaaryeah, well. for the arrows to work, you have to keep a duplicate history for the editboxes it seems, so all I added was ability for it to persist across logins.
18:14.49sylvanaarper-editbox history specifically
18:14.52Stanzillameh
18:15.26sylvanaarI like it because I don't have to retype /print commands between logins lol
18:18.45Stanzillameh was more to changing chatter in my head
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18:51.31nevcairieldont you hate quests where you have to half-kill a mob and then use some item
18:51.39nevcairieli'm always half in trance and just kill them <.<
18:52.02Stanzillayeah
18:54.25nevcairielalso, i love how commander schnottz even has a german accent :p
18:59.26Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07develop * 1.0-beta-15-11-gb6542e3  (10 files in 2 directories): [+11 commits] (7 truncated)
18:59.26Repob6542e3: Priest: restored the rules that got lost during the shattering.
18:59.26Repoa1174a4: Added the rule stubs for priests and death knights.
18:59.26Repo114f501: Added an option to disable flash out of combat.
18:59.26Repoe8b0151: README update.
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19:20.15znfStanzilla, why are there 2 xCTs? :D
19:21.13Stanzillaznf: there are not
19:21.18Stanzillathere is xCT and xCT+
19:21.20znfhttp://www.curse.com/addons/wow/xct-plus
19:21.20Stanzilla+ has ingame config
19:21.25znfoh, cool
19:21.28znfalso xCT+ seems updated
19:21.54znfalso, link to that mouse issue in windows 8
19:22.29Stanzillamy g+
19:24.55znfI don't know your G+ :(
19:25.55Stanzillathat is a) sad b) not my fault c) google
19:25.56Stanzilla:D
19:26.14znfsadly, your g+ doesn't show up with "stanzilla g+"
19:27.32Stanzillaright, i turned search indexing off :D
19:27.46Stanzillahttps://plus.google.com/+BenjaminStaneck/posts/5qCy5ZF7BVj
19:27.59nevcairielusing your full name still shows up in google
19:28.17Stanzillaindeed
19:28.41nevcairielalso fuck this, flying around skilling mining, and i find sever rare pyrite deposits that i cant mine yet, i bet its like 6 now
19:44.32Repoouro-guild-alts: 03Farmbuyer * r27  (3 files in 1 directory): Added tag 5.4 for changeset df2360b47496
19:44.33RepoHandle chat filters with nil frames (in conjunction with oRA3).  Bump TOC to 5.4.
20:02.21Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 041.0-beta-16 * 1ce86cd /: [new tag] Tagging as 1.0-beta-16.
20:02.21Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.0-beta-16  (10 files in 2 directories): [+11 commits] (7 truncated)
20:02.21Repob6542e3: Priest: restored the rules that got lost during the shattering.
20:02.22Repoa1174a4: Added the rule stubs for priests and death knights.
20:02.24Repo114f501: Added an option to disable flash out of combat.
20:02.26Repoe8b0151: README update.
20:05.06znfit seems that I get less FPS under Win8 :(
20:09.22Funkeh`you need to reinstall your driver if you did it before the 8.1 upgrade
20:12.07znfI did
20:12.14znfstill CPU related
20:12.16znf:-/
20:12.29znfI even disabled MSBT and my damage meter :(
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21:06.29Adirellefeels like playing Minecraft again these days.
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21:50.20znfuhm, wtf
21:50.24znfI did /suf and my game froze
21:50.46znfoh, unfroze after 30s
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22:14.10Gnarfozyour computer is really shit and you should ditch all addons if you want to keep playing ;p
22:14.51Gnarfozsuf config takes a while to load, I asked Shadowed (dick) about it a while back and he said there's not much he can do to improve it (and he doesn't care)
22:16.28Repobig-wigs: 03funkydude * r11676 SiegeOfOrgrimmar/TheFallenProtectors.lua:
22:16.28RepoTheFallenProtectors: Add damage percentage to heroic calamity message.
22:22.56znfGnarfoz, can't play with the default UI, it's horrible
22:23.16znfso, question about wow and multi-threading
22:23.27znfI see WoW using 34 threads right now, why aren't those spread over more cores?
22:23.45Gnarfozdoesn't matter, the important parts are basically single-threaded
22:24.08Gnarfozit's probably all their in-game browser shit and whatnot that's newer
22:24.12znfI see
22:24.21Ressysound
22:24.27znfis sound 34 threads? :P
22:24.38Gnarfozthey improved their multi-threading a bit with 2.0 but that was about it, I think
22:24.49nevcairiel34 threads is nothing in an application this size
22:25.01nevcairielhowever, most of those are most likely not doing much work
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22:25.06Gnarfozit would be nothing, if it was a modern application - which it isn't :D
22:25.31Gnarfozanyway, are you at all surprised that you get less fps on an OS that does even more shit in the background, znf
22:25.33nevcairieljust saying that the number of threads doesnt tell you at all how well threaded the app is
22:25.44znfGnarfoz, well, the OS is snappier...
22:25.52Gnarfozyeah, that's what I was trying to point out anyway
22:26.01Gnarfozznf: probably because of no Aero? :p
22:26.03znfinteresting is that I OC-ed the CPU, and I get a bit more FPS :-(
22:26.09znfdunno, wasn't aero mostly GPU?
22:26.16Gnarfozhow's that at all surprising? lol
22:26.25GnarfozOC CPU, get more FPS! simple enough
22:26.38nevcairiel"no Aero" is a wrong statement, they removed glass, but the windows display compositor is now always on and you cant turn it off anymore
22:27.04Gnarfozwell, then it might be something else
22:27.16Gnarfozmy statement stands: not surprising to get lower performance on a newer OS
22:27.17Gnarfoz:D
22:27.37Gnarfozalso not surprising to get more FPS when OCing your CPU on a game with a heavily CPU bound engine
22:27.59nevcairielthe core performance didnt really go down though, a lot of optimizations under the hood, but who knows what znf did
22:28.01Gnarfozespecially considering that you refuse to get rid of also 100% CPU dependent addons
22:28.33nevcairielthere is so many factors in play that its impossible to guess :p
22:28.42Gnarfozthere really isn't
22:28.48Gnarfozhe should get rid of his addons
22:28.54nebula169turning off aero wasn't pretty silly in the first place, it took the rendering from the gpu to the cpu, so i'm not sure why people always thought it was a huge performance boost
22:29.02Gnarfozor buy a new computer
22:29.03nebula169s/wasn't/was/
22:30.02nevcairielnebula169: well it also turned off a lot of the effects in the same step, but yeah it probably didnt help
22:30.30znfGnarfoz, I mean that I only OC'd by 300Mhz, and there's a significat FPS increase
22:30.30Gnarfoznot much "rendering" left to do after turning off aero+all the effects, though, right?
22:30.37nebula169you can turn off all the animation and effects without disabling aero, though
22:30.42Gnarfozwhat's your regular frequency, znf
22:30.45znf2.4
22:30.52znfand I'm at 2.7 now
22:31.15Gnarfozand how much FPS did you gain
22:31.25znf3!
22:31.26Gnarfozmore, or less than 12.5%? :p
22:31.27znf:>
22:31.33znf3 more fps!
22:31.37Gnarfozyou suck at this
22:31.39znfuh, well, it's from 9 to 13!
22:31.45znfso 33%
22:31.46Gnarfozthe answer remains
22:32.06Gnarfozaddons run in the main thread, per frame, so addons make each frame take longer, lowering your FPS - unless that changes (which I doubt it ever will), making sure you spend as little resources on addons as you can will get you the best FPS
22:32.21znfyeah, but I can't remove anything else
22:32.47znfthe default user frames suck
22:32.49znfthe default action bars suck
22:33.08Gnarfozsure you can; just like Nihilum used to get world first boss kills without using voice communications, there's certainly enough top players who don't use addons
22:33.17Gnarfoz(not implying you're a top player)
22:33.26Gnarfozyou just don't want to
22:33.28Funkeh`that's not entirely true if you're replacing blizz addons with custom addons
22:33.30Gnarfozso, live in misery ;p
22:33.44Funkeh`it is if you're just stacking additional addons
22:34.27nevcairielthat implies that a replacement can actually properly turn off the blizz stuff and not increase load
22:34.30Gnarfozso, hope your addons' authors are being very thorough with those "replacements", then
22:34.42Gnarfoz^
22:34.48Funkeh`UnregisterAllEvents and Hide :)
22:35.09Funkeh`Well I'm not talking about shit addons
22:35.23Gnarfozwell, we're talking about znf, what do you think he's using? :D
22:35.27nevcairielheh
22:36.09nevcairielthere also are some lightweight addons that just slightly enhance the blizzard stuff without significant load increases
22:36.16Funkeh`znf, u no xperl and titan panel?
22:36.22nevcairielbut i can certainly see my performance change when i turn off my addons
22:36.30GnarfozI'm amazed, Jimmy Carr got out 2 baskets of kittens in this "8 out of 10 cats does Countdown" episode and none of the panelists made a joke about the show name! :<
22:36.31nevcairielbut that a difference from 1xx to 1yy matters to me
22:36.40nevcairiels/but/not/
22:38.07Gnarfoznevcairiel: yeah, that kind of addon would probably be better for him; rActionbarstyler, xCT and stuff like that... avoiding anything that processes the spammy events
22:40.14nevcairielnot sure how good the raid frame re-stylers are there days
22:40.30nevcairielbut a simple UF without some of the spammy features shouldnt be that terrible on load
22:41.46nevcairielanyway, sleepy times
22:42.41znfyes, there is a good performance increase when I disable my addons
22:43.15znfand no, I don't use xperl and titan panel
22:43.35znfthe biggest cpu hogs right now are SuF and Grid2
22:44.04znfand LibActionButton comes 3rd
22:44.07nevcairielfull blown unit frames use a lot of performance for stuff like predicted heals and whatnot
22:44.29nevcairielaction buttons also get a lot of spammy events, yes
22:45.08znfI actually disabled all my predicted things in SuF, not sure if that has any effect
22:45.32Gnarfozyou're running two unitframe addons, for starters
22:45.39Gnarfozbut we've been over this ;p
22:45.51znfwell, SuF's raid frames suck
22:46.04Gnarfozthey're not Grid, is all
22:46.09Gnarfozthey're fine otherwise
22:46.10nevcairieli raid just fine with sufs raid frames
22:46.10znfGrid2 > Grid
22:46.20Gnarfozyeah yeah, certainly
22:46.24nevcairielheck you can even make em look like grid
22:46.36nevcairieland give em small indicator things in the corners like grid :p
22:46.36znftried and failed :P
22:46.45GnarfozGrid2 is just Grid with tons of plugins included, and written by some crazy spanish guy
22:46.58Gnarfoz(basically)
22:47.32Gnarfozanyway, you don't even play a healer, and you don't raid lead as far as I understand it, what do you need super crazy raid frames for
22:50.08znfI don't, indeed, I don't even show debuffs on my raid frames
22:50.19znflast time I tried to make SuF look like Grid I failed badly
22:50.32znfwill try it again
22:51.05znfhmm, let's try disabling Grid2 in raid
22:51.46Gnarfozthrows his hands in the air
22:52.08znfdoubt it will make a big difference :D
22:52.16znfalso, the biggest culprit I think are the nameplates
22:53.37nevcairielnameplate addons usually are pretty expensive, yes
22:53.48StanzillaI think the biggest culprit is your pc
22:53.52SunTsuremembers maintanking tempest keep with 3 fps, less with those groups on the way to Al'ar
22:54.44GnarfozI think the biggest culprit is his stubbornness
22:55.31znfStanzilla, doh
22:55.41znfGnarfoz, it's not stubborness, I can't play without those shits
22:55.44znfI'm just too used to them
22:56.18znfremoving Grid2 didn't really do much, maybe 1-2 more fps
22:56.27SunTsuznf: sounds like a new challenge to master
22:56.51znfI've been "mastering" it for years now...
22:57.09znfthe game requires more and more resources and my frames drop patch after patch :P
22:58.33Gnarfozsuddenly you're calling 2 fps "not much", when you just said that your OC gave you a "significant" increase (3 fps)
22:59.13Gnarfozand yes, it could be the definition of stubbornness in the dictionary. you're refusing to get rid of your addons so you can have acceptable FPS.
22:59.33znfit's not black & white as you see it
23:00.44znfyou see it as "remove addons, get more fps"
23:00.52znfI see it as "remove addons, stop playing with a shitty UI"
23:01.33Gnarfozsee? two crows with one stone, you get rid of your shitty UI and gain FPS! :D
23:01.35znfturning off NamePlates (by pressing V) results in a bigger FPS gain than disabling Grid2
23:01.41znfno, blizzard's UI is shit
23:04.09znfit took them, what? 8 years to make their own nameplates have a casting bar?
23:08.35Gnarfozno, they just recently made casting bars show for all units, not just your target. nameplate casting bars are several years old.
23:09.18Gnarfozalso, I like how your example for how it's not black and white is an extreme black and white example :D ("blizz ui is shit, I'll stop playing")
23:09.57Gnarfozplaying with 1 digit FPS can't be that bad, if you're not miserable enough to adapt ;p
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23:10.31Gnarfozsomeone make bitcoins go up again
23:17.53MysticalOSnameplate addons aren't that bad as long as they do not anchor to blizzards name plates. it causes a HUGE fps hit. the latest tidyplates or kui nameplates anchor to uiparent instead then reposition to blizz nameplate for a huge performance gain. in fact, i'd swear performance is better than blizzards own nameplates. More people without nameplate mods complain about fps on nazgrim pull than those running those 2 mods. :)
23:18.31GnarfozI thought tidyplates author reverted that because it interfered with healers have to die
23:18.56Gnarfozthen went back to some half-as-good halfway implementation
23:20.43MysticalOShe temp reverted cause he didn't have time to do it right and his halfassing wasn't working, it's pretty good now that he's gone back and done it right
23:21.14MysticalOSand threat plates has had major performance rewriting too. such as not registering CLEU if you aren't actually using debuff widget.
23:21.32MysticalOSbefore, it spent most of it's cpu on a widget that wasn't even enabled.
23:21.40MysticalOSalthough if you enable it, it still does :)
23:21.46GnarfozI haven't used TPTP in years, mostly because for a long while it wasn't updated to keep up with TP
23:23.23Gnarfoz(and I can't remember what I used it for, I do just fine with only TP)
23:30.07znfwhat's maxAnimThreads ?!
23:30.29znfseems it's a new cvar
23:32.48Gnarfozprobably something for the animation system, so don't get your hopes up
23:34.09znfI'm not, was just changing my affinity and I noticed that to be new
23:47.27Repobig-wigs: 03funkydude * r11677 Plugins/AltPower.lua: AltPower: add monochrome, size, and outline options.
23:51.05Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.0-beta-17 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
23:51.05Repo57ecedb: Mistweaver: fixe Thunder Focus Tea highlight and tweaked Renewing Mist for groups.
23:51.05Repo603f3c7: Fixed Priest rule error.
23:51.14Repoadibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 041.0-beta-17 * 70867bd /: [new tag] Fixed Priest and Mistweaver rules.
23:51.42Adirellejust finished garrosh on lfr
23:51.48Adirellethat was quite fun
23:56.35Reposhadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.9.1-9-ge8f3c3d  (7 files in 3 directories): [+3 commits]
23:56.35Repoe8f3c3d: Added highlighting by rare or elite mods
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