| 00:37.07 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (~Starfox@194-166-202-218.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 00:53.01 | *** join/#wowace ajmitch (ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch) |
| 01:23.08 | *** join/#wowace Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-74-226-74-135.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:31.40 | *** join/#wowace Arrowmaster (~arrow@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 02:14.32 | *** join/#wowace |ShadniX (~shadnix@p5DDFE573.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:18.57 | *** join/#wowace sylvanaar (~quassel@pdpc/supporter/active/sylvanaar) |
| 04:28.34 | *** part/#wowace Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-74-226-74-135.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:31.26 | *** join/#wowace Cera (~Cera@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Cera) |
| 05:10.18 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~christoph@178.115.2.148.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 06:05.37 | *** join/#wowace profalbert_ (~christoph@178.115.0.3.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 06:30.36 | *** join/#wowace Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 06:30.36 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Elkano] by ChanServ |
| 06:32.33 | *** join/#wowace profalbert_ (~christoph@77.119.0.33) |
| 07:02.16 | *** join/#wowace Kalroth (~md@mail1.retailplanit.com) |
| 07:03.50 | *** join/#wowace profalbert_ (~christoph@mail.schmutterer-partner.at) |
| 07:39.49 | Stanzilla | Fisker: I need your address again |
| 07:47.59 | Funkeh` | time for some manlove |
| 07:48.51 | Stanzilla | =) |
| 07:48.54 | Stanzilla | indeed |
| 07:48.57 | Stanzilla | we're exchanging things |
| 07:49.08 | Timmeh | "things" |
| 07:49.10 | Timmeh | hides. |
| 08:12.50 | znf | cumswap. |
| 08:24.58 | *** join/#wowace harl (~harl@dslb-088-077-114-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:25.58 | *** join/#wowace Foxor (Megalon@194-166-205-205.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 08:29.15 | *** join/#wowace harl (~harl@dslb-088-077-114-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:47.21 | Fisker | OK Stanzilla |
| 08:48.25 | Stanzilla | this time i'm going to write it down, too |
| 08:48.51 | Fisker | no! |
| 09:11.05 | sb | morning |
| 09:11.10 | quiescens | moo |
| 09:11.36 | *** join/#wowace bluspacecow (~bluspacec@121.99.133.255) |
| 09:17.01 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/80hrBft.png <-- well, I'm in trouble |
| 09:18.40 | bluspacecow | dinner reservations ? |
| 09:22.00 | Timmeh | nice, -2 seats available? |
| 09:22.33 | nevcairiel | i think its hotel rooms |
| 09:22.50 | Timmeh | nice, -2 things available? |
| 09:25.50 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.21 | sb | znf: your software? :D |
| 09:29.55 | znf | yeah, nevcairiel is right |
| 09:30.02 | znf | sb, the stupid hotel software |
| 09:30.08 | znf | (horrible piece of shit) |
| 09:30.18 | znf | and yeah, I'm negative 2 rooms... for fuckin' september >_< |
| 09:30.50 | Timmeh | ouch :-9 |
| 09:30.52 | Timmeh | :-(* |
| 09:31.14 | Timmeh | but you have 100 of something else! |
| 09:31.19 | Timmeh | that's positive, right? :-P |
| 09:31.26 | znf | Timmeh, that's another day :P |
| 09:31.31 | Timmeh | ah :-P |
| 09:31.47 | nevcairiel | but you have like 10 unallocated |
| 09:31.51 | nevcairiel | allocate them already! |
| 09:31.52 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/tGO8WmK.png |
| 09:31.56 | Timmeh | stop slacking! allocate! |
| 09:32.19 | znf | it's really a puzzle tbh :) |
| 09:32.25 | Timmeh | it seems like it |
| 09:32.33 | znf | trying to fit everyone's preferences in their room allocation |
| 09:32.38 | znf | twin beds, pool view, queen bed etc. |
| 09:32.44 | Timmeh | yea |
| 09:32.48 | Timmeh | 3 tentatives? are they counted towards availability already? |
| 09:32.52 | Timmeh | or is it actually -5? :-P |
| 09:33.15 | znf | counted already |
| 09:33.26 | Timmeh | I see |
| 09:33.26 | znf | tentatives are rooms that have no deposit |
| 09:33.46 | Timmeh | so you just tell 2 of them to bugger off? :-P |
| 09:34.00 | sb | well, whats the typical no-show rate? |
| 09:34.14 | Timmeh | or do you have "spare rooms" that are not added in the availability? |
| 09:34.22 | znf | Timmeh, we don't, anymore :D |
| 09:34.24 | Timmeh | I have no clue how you'd solve such a problem :-P |
| 09:34.24 | nevcairiel | sb: on such a day, everyone shows up =P |
| 09:34.25 | Timmeh | ah |
| 09:34.30 | znf | what nevcairiel said ^ |
| 09:34.49 | znf | Timmeh, me neither. I hope someone breaks down their car or something |
| 09:35.00 | Timmeh | you can always.. induce that.. >_> |
| 09:35.01 | Timmeh | <_< |
| 09:35.11 | znf | ...we did, to one of our supervisors |
| 09:35.12 | znf | :-" |
| 09:35.19 | znf | he had it coming |
| 09:35.22 | Timmeh | hah |
| 09:35.23 | sb | or relocate some hot girls to your appartment?! |
| 09:35.40 | znf | heck, I even free'd up my room |
| 09:35.55 | znf | Timmeh, and I also made sure that the video surveillance didn't work :-" |
| 09:36.05 | Timmeh | and your room is already counted towards the availability? or are you -1 then? :-P |
| 09:36.11 | Timmeh | znf: obviously :-) |
| 09:36.23 | znf | Timmeh, my room is counted already :D |
| 09:36.23 | Timmeh | "we were just switching tapes!" - "but we record digitally" - "NOT TODAY!" |
| 09:36.45 | *** join/#wowace Jitta (~Jitta@91-65-48-209-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 09:36.47 | Timmeh | znf: ouch :-P |
| 09:36.59 | znf | heck, we're actually alocating DBLs in APTs, just to get trough this part |
| 09:37.00 | znf | >_< |
| 09:37.15 | Timmeh | so how does that happen? does it just not stop reservations at 0? or a race condition of 2 reservations at the same time? |
| 09:37.43 | Timmeh | the former would mean retarded software, the latter would mean retarded software developers :-P |
| 09:38.10 | znf | Timmeh, it warns you, but in the same time it allows you to go on |
| 09:38.16 | Timmeh | oh.. |
| 09:38.17 | znf | like, "I know what I'm doing" |
| 09:38.19 | Timmeh | >_> |
| 09:38.21 | Timmeh | <_< |
| 09:38.23 | nevcairiel | so retarded person |
| 09:38.46 | znf | yeah... our front-desk manager acted retarded |
| 09:39.01 | nevcairiel | make this his problem then |
| 09:39.12 | znf | I had 0 rooms available, she took one reservation from one of the owners, even though we stopped selling for 2 weeks for that time-frame |
| 09:39.33 | znf | plus, there's the whole thing of working with travel agents |
| 09:40.05 | Timmeh | well, full is full.. isn't it? nomatter who asks? you can't really go around and telling customers who reserved that they can't come |
| 09:40.33 | znf | by contract they're obligated to send allocations one week before they tourists arrive |
| 09:40.59 | Timmeh | and what if you're full by then? you're contractually obligated to still take them on? |
| 09:41.01 | znf | but they sold a few unannounced rooms since june, which they already cashed out :P |
| 09:41.18 | Timmeh | "unannounced rooms"? o_O |
| 09:41.45 | znf | Timmeh, yeah, I mean they didn't announce the rooms until last week, after we asked them to stop the sales |
| 09:41.53 | Timmeh | right... |
| 09:41.56 | Timmeh | nice.. |
| 09:42.12 | Timmeh | we're looking at building a planning/reservation application at my company, but now I'm not so sure we should anymore :-P |
| 09:43.00 | znf | Yeah, what screws you over is the slow communications between departments, for example. |
| 09:43.12 | znf | Like, a few weeks ago we had the shittest situation ever |
| 09:43.40 | znf | I needed a pool-view room. I managed to find an unconfirmed one, removed it, and in less than 30 seconds a receptionist made a reservation on it and checked the room in |
| 09:43.45 | znf | we were like... O.O |
| 09:47.41 | znf | It's also /so/ fun when tourists come screaming at the reception... |
| 09:52.35 | Timmeh | nice |
| 09:52.53 | Timmeh | so the application should have a "free-and-reserve" option |
| 09:53.06 | Timmeh | or basically just a "replace-reservation" option |
| 09:53.21 | Timmeh | so you can't have that happen :-P |
| 09:53.29 | Timmeh | and yea, tourists like to think they own the place |
| 09:54.18 | Timmeh | I did a bus trip through southern Turkey once, never again. can't put up with those other tourists. |
| 09:56.13 | znf | the higher the star count, the more retarded customers, tbh :-/ |
| 10:00.53 | *** join/#wowace EthanCentaurai (~ethan@host-92-24-179-76.ppp.as43234.net) |
| 10:01.07 | EthanCentaurai | Good morning! :D |
| 10:05.59 | quiescens | o.o |
| 10:09.40 | Repo | project-15423: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v1.0-beta-1-g82219cc Core.lua: [+1 commit] Fix line endings. |
| 10:10.17 | EthanCentaurai | slug change on aisle two! |
| 10:14.26 | Timmeh | anyone of you guys know about Lua API changes in 5.4? |
| 10:14.36 | Timmeh | (I still think it's ridiculous that Blizzard doesn't keep a changelog of that) |
| 10:14.53 | EthanCentaurai | the only change I'm aware of is for profession links |
| 10:15.00 | EthanCentaurai | (and I agree) |
| 10:15.30 | quiescens | you broked it |
| 10:15.32 | quiescens | ! |
| 10:15.40 | Timmeh | maybe I should ask @Ghostcrawler.. see what he says |
| 10:15.54 | Timmeh | though he'll probably just say no or ignore :-P |
| 10:16.43 | EthanCentaurai | I know there used to be a thread on the US forums but I don't know if it's still going |
| 10:33.36 | *** join/#wowace stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 10:36.56 | znf | yay, now I'm -1 room! |
| 10:36.58 | znf | hooray? |
| 10:37.27 | Timmeh | hooray! |
| 10:37.55 | Timmeh | did you force the front-desk person out of his room? |
| 10:38.05 | znf | no, freed one more room out of the staff |
| 10:38.15 | znf | moved him to the smallest room we have :D |
| 10:38.23 | znf | which we can't sell |
| 10:38.29 | Timmeh | I see |
| 10:38.33 | Timmeh | too small to sell? |
| 10:38.57 | znf | yeah |
| 10:52.51 | nevcairiel | why do staff people even have rooms |
| 10:52.55 | nevcairiel | dont they have homes |
| 10:53.21 | znf | nevcairiel, because not all of them are from the area |
| 10:53.42 | znf | heck, I'm from the area and I usually keep one room, because if I finish up work at 4 am, fuck going home and getting back at work at 10am... |
| 10:58.14 | Timmeh | friend of mine interned at a hotel, and they seemed to just keep a whole staff floor there, where the interns got a room as well |
| 11:01.23 | *** join/#wowace k0ndaa (54ea3d6c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.234.61.108) |
| 11:06.51 | k0ndaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.26 | nevcairiel | and asking in another channel wont change your luck, i'm afraid =P |
| 11:08.11 | k0ndaa | just checking |
| 11:10.01 | quiescens | hello, world! |
| 11:12.53 | znf | Timmeh, yeah, because ground-floor rooms are really hard to sell |
| 11:15.46 | znf | YAAAAAAAAAAAAY |
| 11:15.56 | znf | some tourists left |
| 11:16.00 | Timmeh | woop! |
| 11:16.07 | znf | the one good aspect of "Lost Business" |
| 11:16.08 | znf | \o/ |
| 11:16.16 | Timmeh | heh |
| 11:16.21 | Timmeh | did you "ask them to leave nicely" |
| 11:16.45 | znf | no, the room wasn't clean yet (check-out is usually at 12, and the hotel day starts at 18:00), as they arrived earlier |
| 11:16.51 | znf | and they waited too much |
| 11:17.10 | nevcairiel | checkin at 18 is really late though, i always hate that |
| 11:17.12 | znf | their problem, I don't care :D |
| 11:17.22 | Timmeh | so they just left cause they thought they had to wait for too long? |
| 11:17.55 | znf | nevcairiel, yeah, I know it sucks. We try to accomodate everyone earlier, but we cover our backs with the "hotel day starts at 18". |
| 11:18.05 | znf | I mean, I have no problems checking in people if the room is clean at 9am. |
| 11:18.08 | nevcairiel | most hotels i visited lately had at least 16 |
| 11:18.24 | nevcairiel | although when i showed up at 13 they didnt let me in yet :P |
| 11:18.25 | znf | it all depends on the Housekeeping staff |
| 11:18.39 | nevcairiel | next trip my airplane arrives at like 5am |
| 11:18.49 | quiescens | don't go |
| 11:18.56 | nevcairiel | wth am i going to do all day |
| 11:18.56 | nevcairiel | hope the hotel at least lets me store my bag somewhere |
| 11:18.56 | znf | if there's 100 departures that day and 100 arrivals, you're not going to get checked in at 12 :P |
| 11:19.15 | znf | You could always call for an early check-in, can't you? |
| 11:19.34 | nevcairiel | 5am is still pretty damn early :P |
| 11:19.42 | nevcairiel | well, 5am airport means 7am hotel, but still |
| 11:19.55 | znf | we don't even end the night by 5am :D |
| 11:19.56 | Timmeh | or just arrive, and ask for the hotel to look after your luggage for a few hours, I never had trouble when I asked for that |
| 11:20.09 | znf | we have a baggage room, for example |
| 11:20.09 | nevcairiel | yeah that usually works |
| 11:20.14 | nevcairiel | most hotels do that |
| 11:20.58 | nevcairiel | but after a 26 hour flight, you just want no stress with anything :) |
| 11:21.22 | nevcairiel | admittedly, if we were to get our rooms, we would probably fall asleep immediately and never get rid of the jetlag |
| 11:23.05 | Timmeh | hah, imagine walking into a hotel asking for your room, and they answer "sorry, we can't do that, you'd fall asleep and never get rid of your jetlag" |
| 11:25.20 | *** join/#wowace EthanCentaurai (~ethan@host-92-24-179-76.ppp.as43234.net) |
| 11:30.15 | nevcairiel | like they care :P |
| 11:30.40 | Timmeh | sure they do :-P when you sleep you don't spend money in their restaurant! |
| 11:30.51 | nevcairiel | when i was in the US two weeks ago, i checked out at like 6am from my hotel because i was up at 4am already from the jetlag still |
| 11:31.03 | nevcairiel | takes ages to get rid of your inner clock |
| 11:31.05 | nevcairiel | really annoying |
| 11:32.29 | znf | I can't "adjust" to my local time-zone :( |
| 11:32.35 | *** part/#wowace k0ndaa (54ea3d6c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.234.61.108) |
| 11:34.40 | quiescens | clearly the solution is to move to a different timezone |
| 11:48.12 | Stanzilla | Fisker: it's here |
| 11:48.27 | Stanzilla | my mom will be taking it with here into the city so it's coming with DHL this time |
| 11:48.37 | Stanzilla | *her |
| 11:49.00 | Stanzilla | I did not unpack it even if I'm super curious :( |
| 11:50.17 | Repo | chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.5.14-33-g9171834 Chinchilla.lua: [+1 commit] Core: Hide module options instead of disabling them when the module is disabled. |
| 11:50.53 | Stanzilla | *though |
| 11:50.56 | Stanzilla | fuck enrgish for today |
| 11:51.13 | EthanCentaurai | makes Stanzilla a cup of coffee. |
| 11:52.09 | Fisker | cool Stanzilla i'll get it later when i do her |
| 11:52.13 | Fisker | bam |
| 11:52.22 | Stanzilla | SUPER FUNNY EHEHEH |
| 11:52.32 | Stanzilla | you need my address now, right? |
| 11:52.37 | Stanzilla | EthanCentaurai: want that slug changed? |
| 11:52.46 | nevcairiel | yeah Fisker, you cant just do Stanzilla's girlfriend |
| 11:53.00 | Fisker | sure Stanzilla |
| 11:53.24 | EthanCentaurai | yes please Stan |
| 11:54.04 | nevcairiel | EthanCentaurai: dont let your slug rot away then! |
| 11:54.30 | EthanCentaurai | not my fault someone left salt around it :< |
| 11:55.09 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowace.com/addons/bigwigs_crowdcontrol/ |
| 11:55.44 | EthanCentaurai | fankoo! |
| 11:55.54 | EthanCentaurai | updates remote. |
| 11:58.00 | Repo | big-wigs: 03Wetxius * r11059 SiegeOfOrgrimmar/Locales/ruRU.lua: Added ruRU triggers for General Nazgrim. |
| 12:00.33 | Timmeh | what is the general consensus in this channel about bigwigs vs. dbm? |
| 12:00.59 | Timmeh | I've just historically always used dbm |
| 12:01.26 | EthanCentaurai | I tend to use BigWigs nowadays as DBM explodes with "script ran too long" errors |
| 12:01.37 | Kalroth | bigwigs author hangs in here, dbm doesn't - take a wild guess :P |
| 12:01.50 | EthanCentaurai | DBM's website also has gold-selling ads |
| 12:02.06 | Timmeh | Kalroth: well yes, I was wondering whether I should add a "except for the bigwigs author being more popular in here" sentence :-P |
| 12:02.31 | EthanCentaurai | it depends on what you want really |
| 12:02.52 | Kalroth | back when i raided i used DBM as it was often updated faster and accurate on most fights, no idea how it is today |
| 12:03.02 | Stanzilla | Kalroth: wrong, he does |
| 12:03.07 | EthanCentaurai | DBM is generally aimed at complete noobs while BW seems more aligned to experienced players |
| 12:03.14 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:03.38 | *** join/#wowace Droolio (~drool@host86-132-98-208.range86-132.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:03.41 | Kalroth | that's because DBM worked and BW didn't :P |
| 12:03.50 | Kalroth | Stanzilla: oh? he didn't back then! |
| 12:04.00 | Stanzilla | points at MysticalOS |
| 12:04.04 | Stanzilla | also nobody likes Funkeh` |
| 12:04.06 | Stanzilla | so there |
| 12:04.08 | Stanzilla | no author bias |
| 12:04.21 | Kalroth | (my experience is limited to vanilla, TBC and wotlk) |
| 12:05.02 | Stanzilla | since I'm in being-a-dick-mode atm I can once again ask breser if he looked at the patch |
| 12:05.16 | Kalroth | you ever left the being a dick mode? |
| 12:05.30 | Stanzilla | when I sleep, yes |
| 12:06.04 | Timmeh | I should probably just investigate the next few raids |
| 12:06.07 | Timmeh | so I can decide before SoO |
| 12:06.31 | Stanzilla | I would say they are both pretty up to date |
| 12:06.39 | Stanzilla | as both have devs that tested on the ptr |
| 12:06.47 | Timmeh | yea, I would assume so |
| 12:07.06 | Stanzilla | bigwigs having one that raids more hardcore though heroic modules tend to be more up to date if he is in the mood to commit :D |
| 12:07.19 | Timmeh | heh |
| 12:07.50 | Timmeh | well, a few of the people in #acherus (the DK theorycrafting channel on irc.coldfront.net) are in a pretty hc raiding guild with some DBM devs, iirc |
| 12:08.06 | Stanzilla | there is only one real DBM dev |
| 12:08.12 | Stanzilla | so that has to be MysticalOS |
| 12:08.30 | Timmeh | well, "suppliers" then? :-P I don't know, just what I heard a few of them say in there |
| 12:09.26 | Stanzilla | dunno, his guid has many internet famous guys |
| 12:09.26 | Timmeh | another option is obviously that they're just trying to come across influential or fancy |
| 12:09.49 | Timmeh | itnernets celebs! |
| 12:09.57 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 12:10.00 | sylvanaar | if there is only one thing people in irc hate more than each other I think it is people from other irc channels |
| 12:10.23 | Stanzilla | nobody's hating here .D |
| 12:10.30 | Timmeh | haha, I think #acherus has a different scope than #wowace ;-) |
| 12:10.34 | Timmeh | so I don't see a reason for hate |
| 12:10.57 | mitch0 | hates sylvanaar for obscure reasons |
| 12:11.00 | Repo | big-wigs: 03Wetxius * r11060 SiegeOfOrgrimmar/Locales/ruRU.lua: Added ruRU triggers for Galakras. |
| 12:11.28 | Timmeh | but yea, mainly wondering what the difference is in types of information they provide. I imagine they both provide the basics, but surely there are some different approaches or decisions on what details are more important in a fight |
| 12:11.51 | Timmeh | I figured someone in here would have enough experience to share :-) |
| 12:11.53 | Stanzilla | dbm gives tactic hints |
| 12:11.56 | Stanzilla | and more urm |
| 12:12.02 | Stanzilla | help for retards |
| 12:12.08 | Timmeh | TIMMAH? |
| 12:12.14 | Stanzilla | ;D |
| 12:12.18 | sylvanaar | dbm is designed to mostly run from default settings imo |
| 12:12.57 | sylvanaar | bigwigs is geared toward people who like to tweak their ui more |
| 12:14.42 | Timmeh | right |
| 12:14.47 | Timmeh | maybe I should look at bigwigs then :-P |
| 12:29.47 | Stanzilla | just be a man and play without addons |
| 12:30.24 | znf | when they'll fix the UI |
| 12:35.29 | quiescens | moo |
| 12:35.50 | quiescens | type /cast fireball |
| 12:35.52 | quiescens | over and over |
| 12:42.03 | *** join/#wowace bluipodcow (~bluspacec@114-134-0-94.lightwire.co.nz) |
| 12:44.07 | znf | I actually had some boss kills by typing /cast Devouring Plague |
| 12:44.19 | znf | because for some reasons my UI bugged during a boss fight and I could press my DP button anymore |
| 12:45.10 | nevcairiel | you should simply put it on two buttons |
| 12:45.21 | Stanzilla | just spacebar everything |
| 12:45.24 | Stanzilla | spacebar always works |
| 12:49.35 | *** join/#wowace profalbert_ (~christoph@mail.schmutterer-partner.at) |
| 12:49.44 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (Megalon@194-166-205-205.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 12:54.06 | *** join/#wowace sylvanaar_ (~quassel@pdpc/supporter/active/sylvanaar) |
| 13:05.50 | bluipodcow | But what about znf's incessant need to jump at random points of a raid ? |
| 13:06.43 | quiescens | we'll map that to control alt right-shift f8 |
| 13:06.59 | Fisker | what does that mean bluipodcow ? |
| 13:07.43 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~christoph@mail.schmutterer-partner.at) |
| 13:12.15 | bluipodcow | Znf is a night elf |
| 13:12.25 | bluipodcow | Extrapolate from there |
| 13:12.33 | Stanzilla | I want a PS2 |
| 13:13.05 | bluipodcow | Did you ever get that HS beta link you wanted stanzilla ? |
| 13:13.52 | Stanzilla | yes bluipodcow |
| 13:13.56 | Stanzilla | even installed it |
| 13:14.07 | Stanzilla | now I have this disabled play button that makes me mad everytime I look at it |
| 13:16.00 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 13:20.28 | quiescens | silleh stan |
| 13:31.51 | Megalon | is that near pakistan |
| 13:34.16 | Stanzilla | this is one of the days that makes me so mad at blizzard that I wish I could work there and improve all the things :< |
| 13:34.34 | quiescens | gives stanzilla a cookie |
| 13:44.16 | Repo | chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.5.14-36-gf9c28f6 (3 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 13:44.17 | Repo | f9c28f6: Core: Add MoveAnything to optional dependency list to force it to load before Chinchilla does. |
| 13:44.17 | Repo | 30734cf: MoveButtons: Forcibly disable the module if MoveAnything is installed. |
| 13:44.17 | Repo | 75bdcdb: Position: Forcibly disable the module if MoveAnything is installed. |
| 13:44.56 | EthanCentaurai | I have to say... I quite like Source Tree |
| 13:46.51 | EthanCentaurai | wonders if he can get away with naming a Resto Druid "Atlassian". |
| 13:47.30 | znf | what's Atlassian? |
| 13:47.44 | EthanCentaurai | the company who made Jira |
| 13:53.56 | quiescens | what's Jira? |
| 13:55.59 | mitch0 | your next question will be "what's google?" |
| 13:57.27 | bluipodcow | What's a google ? |
| 13:57.43 | bluipodcow | A form of beagle ? |
| 13:57.48 | Stanzilla | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1338109-Getting-social-with-yourself-A-new-approach-to-player-housing?p=22275481#post22275481 |
| 13:59.41 | nevcairiel | you might think its all easy to recycle stuff to be used for your ideas, but as someone who has worked on complex systems before - its not that easy :p |
| 14:00.02 | Stanzilla | I know |
| 14:00.39 | nevcairiel | although being able to interact with your other toons and use their crafting would be kinda neat |
| 14:01.03 | Stanzilla | that's why I wrote that |
| 14:01.04 | quiescens | i like the classic complaint where people get upset that there was some art change instead of the bug fix or new feature they wanted |
| 14:01.11 | Stanzilla | I was so amazed by the thought of i |
| 14:01.11 | Stanzilla | t |
| 14:01.34 | quiescens | if you didn't play so many alts you wouldn't need that stuff! |
| 14:02.42 | nevcairiel | i dont have big hopes for housing in WoW anymore, maybe in titan |
| 14:03.02 | Stanzilla | yeh :( |
| 14:03.11 | Stanzilla | I recently saw a wildstar gameplay about their housing |
| 14:03.18 | Stanzilla | it's just too much for me |
| 14:03.22 | Stanzilla | it's like the sims ingame |
| 14:03.26 | quiescens | i never did teh housing stuff in the games that had it |
| 14:03.29 | nevcairiel | i have mixed feelings about wildstar |
| 14:04.00 | quiescens | usually its just a good way to waste moneys |
| 14:09.16 | *** join/#wowace Xinhuan (~xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan) |
| 14:09.16 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Xinhuan] by ChanServ |
| 14:09.44 | bluipodcow | Lol tumbler |
| 14:24.42 | *** join/#wowace bluipodcow (~bluspacec@114-134-0-62.lightwire.co.nz) |
| 14:27.18 | Stanzilla | Fisker: RG393755340DE |
| 14:28.05 | Stanzilla | not sure it works yet |
| 14:30.24 | bluipodcow | That doesn't look like a HS beta key Stanzilla |
| 14:39.11 | nevcairiel | also not like a DHL tracking number |
| 14:40.03 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: is one though |
| 14:40.42 | Timmeh | Stanzilla: link for EU version of HS, that link was? |
| 14:40.46 | Timmeh | Stanzilla: if so, share plx |
| 14:41.01 | Stanzilla | Timmeh: http://dist.blizzard.com/downloads/hs-installers/a6029a1d625c79252defff3914fb6e67/beta.1/Hearthstone-Beta-Setup-enGB.exe |
| 14:41.07 | Timmeh | that's quick. |
| 14:41.09 | Timmeh | thanks. |
| 14:41.35 | Timmeh | is there an OS X version of that as well? >_> |
| 14:42.22 | Timmeh | perhaps just .app |
| 14:42.25 | Timmeh | instead of .exe |
| 14:43.24 | Timmeh | oh wait, .zip, that works. |
| 14:49.05 | *** join/#wowace webturtle0 (~webturtle@d28-23-186-64.dim.wideopenwest.com) |
| 14:51.06 | bluipodcow | Yeah that trick was put in by the battle net team to fix a bug in which installer was being grabbed for the wow installer |
| 14:51.17 | bluipodcow | Looks like they made it standard op |
| 14:52.17 | Timmeh | what trick/bug? |
| 14:53.31 | bluipodcow | Renaming a .exe installer from battle net to .zip for the mac version of the installer |
| 14:53.43 | Fisker | btw Stanzilla |
| 14:53.50 | Timmeh | ah, the .zip is the OS X version, not the windows version, that one's actually .exe |
| 14:53.54 | Fisker | you do know that usually the tracking number is sufficient to redirect packages? :3 |
| 14:54.27 | Timmeh | for OS X, I'd guess the reason is that .app "files" are not files but just directories |
| 14:54.50 | Stanzilla | Fisker: no |
| 14:54.52 | Stanzilla | sorry |
| 14:55.15 | Fisker | don't think anyone here will abuse it :D |
| 14:55.22 | Stanzilla | hope so |
| 14:55.25 | Timmeh | gets ready to abuse. |
| 14:55.29 | Stanzilla | would send my cat army after him |
| 14:56.03 | bluipodcow | You should have a look at the actual Hearthstone app program Timmeh |
| 14:56.19 | Timmeh | Fisker: some of them want to abuse you, some of them want to be abused. |
| 14:56.30 | Timmeh | Fisker: and now you got that song stuck in your head, you're welcome. |
| 14:56.42 | Fisker | not really |
| 14:56.45 | Timmeh | oh |
| 14:56.47 | bluipodcow | It's all xibit pimp my ride in there |
| 14:56.53 | Timmeh | then I just got it stuck in my own head :-( |
| 14:56.59 | Timmeh | bluipodcow: hah |
| 14:57.16 | quiescens | moo |
| 14:57.31 | bluipodcow | "We herd u liek apps. So we put app programs inside your HS program" |
| 14:57.41 | quiescens | givs blu a cookie |
| 14:57.55 | Timmeh | OS X apps are always funny like that .app/Contents/" |
| 14:58.04 | Timmeh | what? yes, I wanted to see the Contents. |
| 14:58.25 | Timmeh | "Contents/MacOS", orly? |
| 15:01.45 | bluipodcow | *giggle* |
| 15:05.41 | znf | tbh, I actually like their OS thingie about apps and stuff |
| 15:05.51 | znf | makes it easy to install/uninstall things |
| 15:06.02 | Timmeh | yea, it's nice cause it's so self-contained |
| 15:06.10 | znf | sure, it's not ideal, but drag&drop-ing a file to "programs" to have it installed is quite awesome |
| 15:06.37 | Timmeh | though what most OS X users don't realise is that, just like on other OSs, OS X saves settings in other directory structures still, but OS X hides it a bit better |
| 15:06.50 | Timmeh | like in the `/Users/<name>/Library/Application Support` directories |
| 15:07.52 | Timmeh | the problem with Windows is that, historically, programs like to save things either in their 'Program Files' directory (which is weird cause they're local settings, not program files, but at least self-contained) or in 'My Documents' (which is weird, cause they're not documents) |
| 15:08.37 | Timmeh | only relatively recently (since Vista) more programs start using the more hidden folders in a user's directory |
| 15:09.09 | Timmeh | whereas before Windows XP, the actual "right" way on Windows systems would've been to save it all in the registry, but no one ever liked Windows' registry :-P |
| 15:09.56 | znf | because the registry is bad :( |
| 15:11.28 | Timmeh | I think a database like that to store settings could work rather well |
| 15:11.38 | Timmeh | just not the way they did it, I guess.. it feels so clunky to work with |
| 15:12.31 | Timmeh | and it's gotten a very negative name, due to malware getting stuff to autostart through that, etc. |
| 15:12.41 | Timmeh | and because your illegal software generally needs some tweaks :-P |
| 15:12.46 | Timmeh | and all the "registry cleaner" applications |
| 15:13.18 | Timmeh | and because of the way it works, you need an actual "uninstall" action for applications |
| 15:13.23 | Timmeh | and on OS X you can just drag it to the bin, and it's gone |
| 15:13.47 | Timmeh | (while an actual "uninstall" action on OS X could clean up user settings as well, but it's not as easy) |
| 15:13.58 | Timmeh | easy for users, I mean |
| 15:14.11 | Timmeh | there is nothing more fun than just dragging your failed app to the recycle bin! |
| 15:14.17 | Timmeh | "I don't like you anymore, bye!" |
| 15:16.17 | quiescens | registry was tedious |
| 15:16.37 | quiescens | config files imo |
| 15:18.31 | *** join/#wowace Kalroth (~MD@d40aa8cc.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 15:23.26 | znf | the whole "is this a regword?" crap in the registry |
| 15:23.34 | znf | keys, regwords, dwords etc. |
| 15:25.36 | nevcairiel | wth is a regword |
| 15:26.04 | nevcairiel | it only has a few basic types, strings, binary fields, dword and qword |
| 15:26.16 | nevcairiel | dword is 32-bit and qword is 64-bit |
| 15:26.24 | nevcairiel | not really that hard :p |
| 15:26.42 | quiescens | what was the benefit anyway? |
| 15:26.45 | znf | yeah, I'll never figure out why there have to be so many data types |
| 15:26.53 | znf | what quiescens said :P |
| 15:27.15 | nevcairiel | you could've probably done with one number type, but what other types do you want to skip? :P |
| 15:27.55 | quiescens | what did using the registry offer, over just storing config files in a user directory (or a system directory, for system stuff) |
| 15:28.13 | nevcairiel | its easy to use and you dont need to deal with stupid files |
| 15:28.43 | znf | from my n00b perspective, I would have rather worked with files |
| 15:28.55 | bluipodcow | Looking good via altering system settings with a tool default to any windows install |
| 15:29.29 | nevcairiel | what do config files offer that the registry cant? :p |
| 15:29.57 | bluipodcow | Bonus yoda points if you could write a text file registry settings export file from scratch |
| 15:30.21 | quiescens | i can see it making sense as a windows settings thingy |
| 15:30.34 | quiescens | but i mostly didn't like it for applications |
| 15:30.37 | quiescens | ): |
| 15:30.50 | bluipodcow | From which regedit can import settings |
| 15:31.06 | nevcairiel | as a programmer, using the registry is just trivial, storing/retrieving settings, structuring settings etc |
| 15:31.15 | nevcairiel | store both system global and user settings |
| 15:31.30 | nevcairiel | global settings is otherwise a bit of a nightmare on windows |
| 15:31.57 | nevcairiel | cant write files to your application dir because of system protection, etc |
| 15:32.23 | quiescens | shrug |
| 15:32.38 | quiescens | global settings for user apps was a silly thing in the first place |
| 15:32.51 | Timmeh | well, you're not supposed to have local settings (or local anything) in application directories anyway :-P |
| 15:32.56 | znf | finding a specific setting for a specific app in the registry is a nightmare... |
| 15:33.08 | znf | and searching trough the registry is /so/ slow |
| 15:33.09 | Timmeh | and where Unix systems have /etc, Windows has the registry |
| 15:33.24 | nevcairiel | as opposed to some proprietary config file format, which may or may not be even user readable? :P |
| 15:33.46 | nevcairiel | or humand readable rather |
| 15:33.49 | nevcairiel | human* |
| 15:33.56 | Timmeh | and where Unix systems have /home/.something, Windows (pre-XP) had the registry |
| 15:34.00 | quiescens | user applications being written in such a way as to expect to be able to store systemwide settings and stuff |
| 15:34.12 | Timmeh | Windows now has a place in the C:\Users\<user> directory as well, I guess |
| 15:34.14 | quiescens | is hardly a good reason to justify it |
| 15:34.36 | nevcairiel | eh, plenty applications have good reasons to store some information globally |
| 15:34.52 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: storing globally != storing in application directory, though |
| 15:35.24 | nevcairiel | your point being? |
| 15:35.32 | nevcairiel | thats what the registry is for |
| 15:35.35 | Timmeh | indeed |
| 15:35.38 | Timmeh | that's what I just said :-P |
| 15:35.42 | Fisker | where else would you put it? |
| 15:35.42 | nevcairiel | i've been saying that for the last minutes :P |
| 15:36.20 | Timmeh | thing is that no one (including developers) seems to like the registry, so they started saving it in their application directory |
| 15:36.30 | Timmeh | since there was hardly any separation of privileges anyway on Windows systems |
| 15:36.38 | Timmeh | it was "the easy way out" |
| 15:37.17 | quiescens | global settings are for people with permission to do global settings, the idea that the registry was good because it allows people to change global settings without permission to change files doesn't really explain it |
| 15:37.38 | nevcairiel | i suppose there is also C:\ProgramData |
| 15:37.38 | nevcairiel | but its a bit meh |
| 15:37.38 | znf | I still prefer to store app settings in the program directory |
| 15:37.38 | nevcairiel | thats because your contry is still in the 90s |
| 15:37.38 | nevcairiel | country* |
| 15:37.38 | znf | Most computers run single user, anyway... |
| 15:37.48 | Timmeh | well, I like the idea of having all settings in a databae, rather than files |
| 15:37.55 | Fisker | no znf |
| 15:37.57 | znf | most home computers |
| 15:38.02 | quiescens | even if it was that, its still little different from using a specific directory and allowing access to the specific configuration file or whatever |
| 15:38.35 | Stanzilla | I hate it when super old stuff puts its files into the Windows folder |
| 15:38.43 | znf | that's an annoyance :P |
| 15:38.47 | Timmeh | or in their application folder :-P |
| 15:38.48 | znf | but... that also made me incredibly lazy |
| 15:38.49 | Stanzilla | I just found stuff from 2007 in it the other day |
| 15:38.53 | Stanzilla | some sound driver shit |
| 15:38.54 | znf | I drop ffmpeg.exe in C:\windows :D |
| 15:39.12 | quiescens | i think drivers probably have reason to put stuff in the windows directories? |
| 15:39.16 | quiescens | mebeh |
| 15:39.22 | nevcairiel | why do you even have a windows from 2007 on your pc |
| 15:39.25 | Stanzilla | not into the root of it |
| 15:39.29 | Stanzilla | I dont nevcairiel |
| 15:39.32 | Stanzilla | the file was from 2007 |
| 15:39.35 | Fisker | I hate it when programs give everyone full control over its directory |
| 15:40.28 | Fisker | should be illegal |
| 15:40.49 | Stanzilla | I love portable programs |
| 15:40.50 | Timmeh | you could compare the usage of the Windows registry to the usage of AceConfig. you only use an API to retrieve and change settings, and it's then saved in the right place, and you don't have to care where it saves it. |
| 15:40.58 | Timmeh | it's a good idea |
| 15:41.07 | Timmeh | but AceConfig seems to do it better than the Windows registry :-P |
| 15:41.20 | nevcairiel | except that AceConfig doesnt save stuff, you have to do that |
| 15:41.22 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 15:41.44 | Timmeh | meh, I've only written 2 tiny WoW addons, don't hit me with my ignorance :-P |
| 15:42.32 | quiescens | but they could have given a best practices thing, and an api or whatever, to store settings in files and such without having it in one big database with its own permission system |
| 15:42.49 | quiescens | i guess, if the standard filesystem permission system had worked, at the time |
| 15:43.16 | Timmeh | I think the nice thing about the FHS setup, is that you get your /etc/<project> folder, and you dump in there whatever is local to your application in whatever format |
| 15:43.30 | Timmeh | and the same thing goes for user settings in their home dir |
| 15:43.41 | Timmeh | though I'm not going to say all applications do that nicely :-P |
| 15:44.09 | Timmeh | /home/.config/<project>, /home/<project/, /home/.<project>, /home/.<developer>/project >_> |
| 15:45.54 | Timmeh | I guess there's pros and cons to either solution. I do like the idea of having a database (i.e. registry) for settings, but I also like the flexibility of just having your own space for settings files in any format |
| 15:46.08 | Fisker | I read a best practices for SRP today |
| 15:47.01 | Fisker | basically it told me that this potential windows bricking policy should not be the default domain policy |
| 15:47.05 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~christoph@77.119.0.104) |
| 15:47.33 | Fisker | too bad I was reading it on my phone after bricking 4000 computers |
| 15:47.57 | bluipodcow | Y u brick so many ? |
| 15:48.23 | Fisker | why not? |
| 15:48.34 | Timmeh | Let's brikc All The Computers! |
| 15:49.12 | *** join/#wowace VTLob (~VTLob@146-52-104-87-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 15:51.47 | quiescens | on a slight tangent, i also thought the binary bits stored in registry were a bit silly too |
| 15:51.52 | quiescens | o.o |
| 15:54.19 | Timmeh | oh my god. |
| 15:54.29 | Timmeh | it's almost 6pm, and I'm not home yet. what am I doing?! |
| 15:54.36 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 15:54.44 | znf | wow... |
| 15:54.45 | znf | like, wow |
| 15:54.50 | znf | I didn't save a file |
| 15:54.54 | znf | and my UPS decided to "crash" |
| 15:55.07 | znf | good guy UPS, you buy it for eventual power outages, it "outages" itself |
| 15:55.10 | znf | :-| |
| 15:55.12 | quiescens | tsk |
| 15:55.21 | quiescens | save more~ |
| 15:55.32 | Timmeh | mandatory: that's a big ups by the UPS. |
| 15:55.34 | znf | ...should have saved |
| 15:55.53 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~christoph@77.119.0.104) |
| 15:56.12 | Timmeh | znf: next up: redundant power supply, connected to two separate UPSs! |
| 15:56.39 | quiescens | hot swappable of course |
| 15:56.49 | Humbedooh | goto sleep, quiescens |
| 15:56.52 | znf | meh, I don't care anymore, 30th is my last day of contract |
| 15:56.54 | znf | good bye hotel business this year |
| 15:57.00 | quiescens | o.o |
| 15:57.31 | Timmeh | me go home! |
| 15:57.37 | Humbedooh | \o/ |
| 15:58.00 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 16:02.10 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~christoph@77.119.0.104) |
| 16:10.53 | Stanzilla | I'm looking forward to your package, Fisker |
| 16:10.59 | Stanzilla | #nohomo |
| 16:18.15 | *** join/#wowace Talryn (~Talryn@unaffiliated/talryn) |
| 16:18.55 | Repo | bigwigs_crowdcontrol: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v1.0-beta-4-g2ba6765 (2 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits] |
| 16:18.56 | Repo | 2ba6765: Update to latest COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED arguments. |
| 16:18.56 | Repo | d06fffc: Remove deprecated addon metadata. |
| 16:18.56 | Repo | d22b83b: Convert the addon into a Plugin instead of a Module. |
| 16:25.44 | Stanzilla | this guy is awesome https://github.com/Resike/PowerAuras/commit/003947def0ec2216a8f40cd7fa9e354add21cfb9 |
| 16:25.49 | *** join/#wowace Sharparam_ (~Sharparam@91.206.142.234.static.alvotech.net) |
| 16:31.51 | EthanCentaurai | ha! |
| 16:38.07 | Stanzilla | what |
| 16:38.07 | Stanzilla | the |
| 16:38.08 | Stanzilla | fuck |
| 16:38.09 | Stanzilla | http://www.nidium.com/ |
| 16:39.13 | EthanCentaurai | words over head |
| 17:01.40 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~christoph@193-83-129-163.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 17:01.57 | Arrowmaster | "Do not expect NiDIUM to read HTML pages or to compete with any existing browser. Instead, expect a solution to build (and browse) applications, with a fast and unified look and feel. " |
| 17:02.00 | Arrowmaster | so its useless? |
| 17:03.34 | Fisker | It's like IE but without the monopoly |
| 17:04.10 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 17:08.18 | znf | So it's like a shitty content holder? |
| 17:08.19 | znf | Or? |
| 17:08.26 | znf | wait, it's like Java, but worse? :P |
| 17:10.22 | *** join/#wowace Slayman (~dejhap08@port-91655.pppoe.wtnet.de) |
| 17:11.57 | *** join/#wowace Stanphone (~androirc@p4FDC4B8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:12.31 | Stanphone | 4,1ň:o |
| 17:14.23 | nevcairiel | sounds like they want to build a browser engine, but not deal with the annoyance of end-users :P |
| 17:16.45 | *** join/#wowace RLD_osx (~RLD_osx@24-182-109-17.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 17:19.15 | Repo | bigwigs_crowdcontrol: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v1.0-beta-5-g877a049 Core.lua: [+1 commit] Comment out the combat listener for now since it only throws up errors at the moment. |
| 17:24.21 | Repo | atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik * r4238 / (2 files in 2 directories): - updated for Atlas compatibility |
| 17:25.16 | Funkeh` | NATIVE |
| 17:25.21 | Funkeh` | it's all fucking NATIVE |
| 17:25.27 | Funkeh` | native all the things |
| 17:37.25 | *** join/#wowace Yoshimo (~Miranda@unaffiliated/yoshimo) |
| 17:40.24 | *** join/#wowace webturtle0 (~webturtle@d28-23-186-64.dim.wideopenwest.com) |
| 17:40.38 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz mongo |
| 17:41.00 | Gnarfoz | bingobongo |
| 17:41.10 | Stanzilla | schick den mongo in den kongo |
| 17:41.18 | Gnarfoz | Negerkampf im Tunnel? |
| 17:41.26 | Stanzilla | hahaha |
| 17:41.27 | Fisker | even native the fucking indians Funkeh` |
| 17:41.41 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: wo hast du den alten tweet ausgegraben? |
| 17:41.51 | Gnarfoz | in seinem feed? |
| 17:41.52 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:42.32 | Stanzilla | ja aber wieso |
| 17:42.33 | Stanzilla | :O |
| 17:47.24 | Stanzilla | touches Gnarfoz |
| 17:48.13 | bluipodcow | *gasp* |
| 17:48.16 | *** join/#wowace Yoshimo (~Miranda@p5493CB1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:48.16 | *** join/#wowace Yoshimo (~Miranda@unaffiliated/yoshimo) |
| 17:49.32 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: bcuz I can? |
| 17:49.38 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 17:49.43 | Stanzilla | still confused though |
| 17:49.46 | Fisker | no hearthstone Stanzilla |
| 17:49.58 | bluipodcow | Y |
| 17:50.06 | Gnarfoz | confused about what |
| 17:50.27 | Gnarfoz | also, you could just give it to me, but I guess my account needs to be flagged for the website to give me the new export string format instead of the old one |
| 17:55.09 | *** join/#wowace Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-74-226-74-135.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:55.24 | bluipodcow | Huh? |
| 17:55.30 | Gnarfoz | bluh?! :D |
| 17:56.12 | Stanzilla | does not need to be Gnarfoz |
| 17:56.39 | Gnarfoz | ah, I see how they fixed it |
| 17:56.47 | Gnarfoz | they accidentally rolled that out before the addon was even in beta |
| 17:58.32 | bluipodcow | Export string ? |
| 17:58.41 | bluipodcow | I can eats it ? |
| 18:00.45 | Gnarfoz | yes, that was not available at first, then it was the only thing available (even though the addon wasn't), and now there's the addon stuff and a fallback |
| 18:02.15 | Stanzilla | sometimes I think bluipodcow just wants to be slapped on the head |
| 18:02.45 | bluipodcow | :( |
| 18:02.53 | Stanzilla | especially for plenking |
| 18:04.46 | Fisker | why Stanzilla ? |
| 18:06.10 | Kalroth | y |
| 18:07.41 | Stanzilla | fuck you, too |
| 18:12.46 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: SIE HAT PM GESAGT |
| 18:13.15 | Gnarfoz | sie followt mir nicht, ich kann sie nicht DMen. |
| 18:13.26 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 18:13.26 | Stanzilla | schade |
| 18:13.36 | Gnarfoz | aber ich kann meinen tweet gleich löschen ;p |
| 18:14.34 | Repo | saved_instances: 03oscarucb * r331 SavedInstances.lua: add 5.4 trade spell cds |
| 18:16.32 | Fisker | no hearthstone for you Stanzilla |
| 18:17.10 | Stanzilla | Fisker: how do you know? |
| 18:17.15 | Fisker | because |
| 18:17.52 | Stanzilla | not a valid reason |
| 18:17.57 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 18:18.03 | Fisker | can you give me a reason Gnarfoz? |
| 18:23.06 | Gnarfoz | for reasons. |
| 18:25.48 | Repo | atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik * r4239 LootTableModules/Crafting/crafting.lua: - Blizz updated BS crafted item names |
| 18:31.42 | Fisker | does this satisfy you Stanzilla? |
| 18:32.24 | Stanzilla | almost |
| 18:32.43 | Stanzilla | now I need to make a ticket for my stupid irc client |
| 18:51.36 | *** join/#wowace bluipodcow (~bluspacec@114-134-0-57.lightwire.co.nz) |
| 18:52.22 | Stanzilla | I already got 69 upvotes on reddit, nice |
| 18:53.23 | Megalon | to the frontpage and beyond |
| 18:55.45 | bluipodcow | Home from work |
| 19:14.56 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: am I weird for having a local git repo to track the changes to their amr beta mod? |
| 19:15.05 | Gnarfoz | actually smrt |
| 19:15.10 | Gnarfoz | I underestimated j00 |
| 19:15.24 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 19:16.38 | Stanzilla | I have the biggest smile in my face right now |
| 19:16.48 | Stanzilla | so much stuff I reported got changed |
| 19:16.58 | Stanzilla | all hail my layout/UI OCD |
| 19:23.31 | Stanzilla | or not |
| 19:23.35 | Stanzilla | still looks like crap ingame |
| 19:23.38 | Stanzilla | way to go |
| 19:24.34 | EthanCentaurai | is the spellName argument in CLEU localised or always English? |
| 19:30.34 | Gnarfoz | localised |
| 19:31.26 | Stanzilla | (sadly) |
| 19:37.22 | Gnarfoz | not really? in game you can resolve spellids, externally, your problem anyway :p |
| 19:37.54 | Stanzilla | I get mad rage everytime I have to look for something in german world of logs |
| 19:37.56 | Stanzilla | so there |
| 19:38.00 | Gnarfoz | hehehe |
| 19:38.03 | Gnarfoz | yeah, their problem! |
| 19:38.09 | Gnarfoz | they could just resolve it to english names |
| 19:38.12 | Gnarfoz | but they didn't bother |
| 19:38.20 | Gnarfoz | ("just") |
| 19:38.47 | Megalon | performs Billigschuss on Stanzilla |
| 19:39.26 | Stanzilla | ABSITZSCHUSS |
| 20:02.33 | Stanzilla | holy shit the new fritzbox is 290 euros |
| 20:02.47 | Gnarfoz | since when have fritzboxen been cheap |
| 20:02.56 | Stanzilla | never but 290 is insane |
| 20:03.02 | Gnarfoz | shrugs |
| 20:03.16 | Gnarfoz | don't see a reason to buy them anyway |
| 20:03.20 | Gnarfoz | alternatives |
| 20:03.41 | Stanzilla | what's the best alternative to them? |
| 20:04.51 | nevcairiel | i got the fritz box because i also needed a vdsl modem |
| 20:05.13 | nevcairiel | and most "alternatives" are pure routers |
| 20:05.45 | nevcairiel | but happy with it, works just perfectly |
| 20:07.02 | nevcairiel | there comes a point when you're happy that a device just works out of the box without a lot of firmware flashing and manual config file editing. :P |
| 20:07.46 | Megalon | yea, that having better things to do point |
| 20:07.55 | nevcairiel | exactly! |
| 20:15.57 | Gnarfoz | pff |
| 20:16.02 | Gnarfoz | dd-wrt tomato whatever! |
| 20:16.07 | Gnarfoz | WHERE'S YOUR GEEKNESS?! |
| 20:16.49 | nevcairiel | lazyness > geekness |
| 20:16.49 | nevcairiel | any good geek is a lazy geek |
| 20:19.31 | nevcairiel | i had dd-wrt on the old device, but i just cba anymore |
| 20:24.56 | Stanzilla | yeah I was always happy with my fritzboxes |
| 20:25.07 | Stanzilla | only had to hack it once |
| 20:25.15 | Stanzilla | when their firmware did not support changing dns servers |
| 20:31.27 | Stanzilla | WTF IS THIS SHIT |
| 20:31.32 | Stanzilla | why does /tar something taint now |
| 20:35.20 | Stanzilla | and /target works fine |
| 20:35.20 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 20:37.05 | *** join/#wowace MysticalOS (~Myst@h24.106.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 20:38.22 | *** join/#wowace pompy (~Mike@c-50-166-85-212.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 20:41.57 | EthanCentaurai | taints quiescens. |
| 21:07.10 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: ze fuq |
| 21:08.48 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: what |
| 21:09.08 | Gnarfoz | taint |
| 21:09.12 | Stanzilla | ah |
| 21:09.34 | *** join/#wowace spode (~spode@h-222-47.a258.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 21:12.34 | sylvanaar_ | Stanzilla: that doesnt make any sense they map to the same command |
| 21:12.43 | Stanzilla | I thought so, too |
| 21:13.01 | sylvanaar_ | try one before the other |
| 21:13.11 | sylvanaar_ | perhaps the first one tainted it |
| 21:13.31 | Stanzilla | it was instantly tainted, even after /rl |
| 21:14.42 | sylvanaar_ | just the one?" |
| 21:15.03 | Stanzilla | only tried one |
| 21:15.13 | sylvanaar_ | try both |
| 21:15.23 | Stanzilla | already doing something else now |
| 21:19.01 | *** join/#wowace Ressy (~Ressy@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
| 21:22.43 | Repo | ora3: 03StingerSoft * r669 locales/ruRU.lua: ruRU update |
| 21:22.51 | *** join/#wowace pompy (~Mike@c-50-166-85-212.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 21:39.29 | sylvanaar_ | I want to move my servers out of here and get a vps - but they are pricey or I am just being cheap, dunno which |
| 21:43.26 | sylvanaar | I love the name http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade |
| 22:06.08 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: a real vps not using openvz/lxc will cost you around $20 a month min |
| 22:09.45 | sylvanaar | Yeah. Most other types of hosted servers have some limitation that I run up against at some point it is frustrating |
| 22:11.12 | Archarodim | Recently I've received several debug repots where the savedvariables get corrupted: "WTF\Account\XXXXXXX\SavedVariables\Decursive.lua:1: unexpected symbol", is it a current known WoW issue? |
| 22:13.47 | Funkeh` | no |
| 22:13.50 | Stanzilla | happens on DCs and crashes |
| 22:14.02 | Funkeh` | never happened to me |
| 22:14.39 | Gnarfoz | not a recent issue for me |
| 22:14.55 | Gnarfoz | but was the reason I wrote a wtf backup script way back then |
| 22:15.52 | Stanzilla | my wtf folder is a git repo :( |
| 22:17.08 | Archarodim | it's quite rare (I receive only 1 or 2 reports a week) but when it does happen, it seems that all the user's saved variables get damaged |
| 22:17.25 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 22:39.34 | *** join/#wowace Gragagrogog (~blindpred@ip-89-177-116-251.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 22:46.28 | *** join/#wowace vhaarr (~Rabbit@ti0013a380-dhcp3957.bb.online.no) |
| 22:46.28 | *** join/#wowace vhaarr (~Rabbit@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr) |
| 22:46.28 | *** mode/#wowace [+o vhaarr] by ChanServ |
| 22:47.11 | znf | .o/ vhaarr |
| 22:48.46 | Stanzilla | I hate it when I download something in 720p and it has black bars on top/bottom |
| 22:48.51 | Stanzilla | why do film makers do that |
| 22:48.52 | Stanzilla | whyy |
| 22:51.35 | Gnarfoz | because aspect ratio |
| 22:51.56 | Gnarfoz | also, they didn't release it in 720p anyway, so blame the fuckwit who encoded the bottom of the barrel crap you're apparently willing to download |
| 22:52.12 | Gnarfoz | (I hope you meant they encoded the letterbox into the video) |
| 22:53.01 | Cera | more than half of films lately are 3.39?:1 not 16:9 |
| 22:53.38 | znf | Cera, that doesn't explain why it has black bars encoded |
| 22:58.37 | Stanzilla | file is 1280x544 |
| 22:58.40 | Stanzilla | makes it even more sad |
| 22:58.42 | Stanzilla | man... |
| 22:59.45 | Stanzilla | and the 1080p release is 1920×1040 |
| 22:59.46 | Stanzilla | WHYYY |
| 23:04.21 | *** join/#wowace Wobin (~quassel@203-214-77-140.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:04.21 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Wobin] by ChanServ |
| 23:15.18 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel Gnarfoz any insight on why people do these weird releases? |
| 23:16.36 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/j3qxPqc.png |
| 23:16.42 | znf | well, I'm in deep shit |
| 23:17.29 | *** join/#wowace [1]Archarodim (HydraIRC@78.203.110.56) |
| 23:18.37 | *** join/#wowace sylvanaar_ (~quassel@pdpc/supporter/active/sylvanaar) |
| 23:22.30 | *** join/#wowace [1]Archarodim (HydraIRC@78.203.110.56) |
| 23:23.24 | vhaarr | heyho znf |
| 23:23.55 | znf | vhaarr, how's life and rest? :) |
| 23:24.21 | vhaarr | ah I dunno, it's alright, my mom is very sick you know |
| 23:25.25 | vhaarr | thanks for asking |
| 23:26.57 | Cera | theater screens are 2.39:1 and 1.85:1, film producers don't really care what ratio your tv is |
| 23:37.52 | *** join/#wowace Archarodim (HydraIRC@78.203.110.56) |
| 23:43.51 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: 1280x544 sounds ok? that shouldn't include black bars |
| 23:44.05 | Stanzilla | yes it does not include black bars |
| 23:44.09 | Stanzilla | but when you fullscreen that |
| 23:44.11 | Stanzilla | it has |
| 23:44.14 | Gnarfoz | of course? |
| 23:44.17 | Gnarfoz | it's called wide screen? |
| 23:44.30 | Stanzilla | but why cant I have fullscreen video without black bars |
| 23:44.34 | Gnarfoz | zoom. |
| 23:44.42 | Gnarfoz | or get a 21:9 or whatever display |
| 23:44.45 | Stanzilla | zoom cuts off left and right |
| 23:44.50 | Gnarfoz | obviously it does? |
| 23:45.06 | Stanzilla | so the only solution to this crap is a 21:9 screen? |
| 23:45.10 | Gnarfoz | crap? |
| 23:45.27 | Stanzilla | yes why can't they make it so it is fullscreen withouth the bars |
| 23:45.28 | Gnarfoz | your FoV is not square |
| 23:45.39 | Gnarfoz | because it's made for cinema? |
| 23:45.56 | Stanzilla | and cinema is 21:9? |
| 23:46.00 | Gnarfoz | are you depressed or something, or why are you trying to debate "why does widescreen exist"? |
| 23:46.16 | Gnarfoz | no. it's 2.35:1 or 1.85:1 these days, mostly, like Cera already said |
| 23:46.19 | Stanzilla | I am depressed but actually never understood why dvds never used the full screen |
| 23:46.24 | Gnarfoz | because WHY |
| 23:46.29 | Gnarfoz | and they did. |
| 23:46.34 | Gnarfoz | and FS versions are an abomination |
| 23:46.44 | Gnarfoz | for the very reason you just said: cropping |
| 23:47.09 | Stanzilla | so basicly it comes down to it always being gay because cinema has a different ratio |
| 23:47.10 | Stanzilla | great |
| 23:47.15 | Gnarfoz | http://www.amazon.com/The-Lord-Rings-Fellowship-Edition/dp/B000065U3Q ARRGH |
| 23:47.27 | Gnarfoz | what the hell is gay about it |
| 23:47.47 | Gnarfoz | it's not their fault you're using a display device with a different aspect ratio |
| 23:47.50 | Ressy | Love it. Youtube blocked a video in Canada on a trumped up Defamation complaint - the video was done in the US, and aimed at US companies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso |
| 23:48.18 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: well it's the industries fault for using 2 different ratios |
| 23:48.26 | Stanzilla | cinema and my home display should be the same :( |
| 23:48.36 | Gnarfoz | the industry? |
| 23:48.50 | Gnarfoz | and maybe your home THEATER setup should be the same |
| 23:49.06 | Gnarfoz | but then that's obviously your own responsibility |
| 23:49.24 | Stanzilla | well I've never seen 2.35:1 tvs before |
| 23:49.35 | Gnarfoz | are you being a moron for the sake of it |
| 23:49.43 | Stanzilla | no I just have no clue |
| 23:49.49 | Stanzilla | my tv is 20 years old |
| 23:49.50 | Gnarfoz | and it's not "the industry" who decides this but the creative people who actually make the movies you obviously want to watch |
| 23:50.28 | Stanzilla | what I mean is that every tv should have the ratio as every cinema |
| 23:50.34 | Stanzilla | *same |
| 23:51.11 | Gnarfoz | there's more than one aspect ratio |
| 23:51.25 | Stanzilla | same problem |
| 23:51.27 | Stanzilla | gimme standards |
| 23:51.29 | Gnarfoz | not a problem. |
| 23:51.37 | Gnarfoz | also, your solution exists: |
| 23:51.40 | Gnarfoz | get a fucking projector |
| 23:51.46 | Gnarfoz | (derp, that's what the cinemas do!) |
| 23:52.03 | Stanzilla | should just force every movie maker to use the same thing |
| 23:52.13 | Gnarfoz | or when was the last time you went to a cinema and they switched out the screen for every movie |
| 23:52.30 | Gnarfoz | yeah, and also force them to just make fantasy movies. |
| 23:52.39 | Stanzilla | well I never thought about that because I thought every cinema movie has the same ratio |
| 23:52.41 | znf | vhaarr, sorry to hear that, hope she gets well |
| 23:53.07 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: just dont tell me that this wouldnt be good |
| 23:53.11 | Gnarfoz | it wouldn't? |
| 23:53.21 | Stanzilla | why? |
| 23:53.26 | Gnarfoz | randomly imposing limitations on creative people was a good idea, WHEN? |
| 23:53.49 | znf | Stanzilla, buy a 2.35:1 TV already? |
| 23:53.53 | znf | I really want one :( |
| 23:53.55 | Gnarfoz | next up: all music must be in 4/4 beat, because everything else just sounds... crazy! |
| 23:54.00 | Gnarfoz | znf: projector |
| 23:54.15 | znf | screw the projector, I want an actual monitor with that AR :D |
| 23:54.22 | Gnarfoz | also, 21:9 |
| 23:54.25 | Gnarfoz | znf: why. |
| 23:54.34 | Gnarfoz | don't be as obtuse an asshat as he is |
| 23:54.35 | znf | because it's awesome ^^ |
| 23:54.42 | znf | I like wide screens |
| 23:54.45 | Gnarfoz | no? it's not awesome in any form? |
| 23:54.49 | Stanzilla | I don't get why people have to express their creativiy in aspect ratio |
| 23:54.50 | Stanzilla | but ok |
| 23:54.58 | Gnarfoz | what the hell is awesomererer about a display with that AR than using a projector |
| 23:55.18 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: because they want the experience of the viewer to be a certain way? |
| 23:55.19 | znf | Gnarfoz, I like wiiiiiiiiiiiide screens to work with |
| 23:55.27 | Gnarfoz | znf: this is not about work |
| 23:55.36 | znf | movies, too! |
| 23:55.54 | znf | I don't have the space for a projector :P |
| 23:56.02 | Gnarfoz | not anyone's problem |
| 23:56.14 | Gnarfoz | also, short throw projectors do exist, you probably do have the space. |
| 23:56.33 | Gnarfoz | (~1.5 m minimum distance to projection surface? your room can't be too small for that) |
| 23:56.41 | znf | interesting |
| 23:56.57 | Gnarfoz | obviously the picture won't be HUEG then |
| 23:56.58 | Gnarfoz | ;] |
| 23:57.00 | Gnarfoz | anyway |
| 23:57.10 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widescreen#History |
| 23:57.11 | Gnarfoz | good night |
| 23:57.12 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:57.37 | Gnarfoz | and if you really want to improve something: make series be released en bloc instead of weekly. aaaargh breaking bad |
| 23:57.40 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:59.21 | Stanzilla | still bullshit |
| 23:59.27 | Stanzilla | wtb one ratio for everything movie |
