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00:44.32Reposmartres2: 03myrroddin 04Release 2.5.7 * r269 :  (1 line trimmed from commit message)
00:44.34RepoTagging as Release 2.5.7
00:44.36Repo- You can now clear the Custom and Mass Resurrection messages
00:44.38Repo- Nil error during occasional Mass Resurrection cast fixed (ticket # 69)
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03:56.08Repoadd support for boss events that reset cds (sha of fear, dark heart of pandaria)
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14:24.00Duffinhi
14:24.22Duffinhmm anyone here?`
14:24.49Timmehhides
14:24.59Duffinjust wonder why i cant submit a ticket on wowace
14:25.16Timmehoh, I'm afraid I wouldn't know :-P
14:25.19Duffinthere is no submit ticket option =/
14:25.43DuffinTimmeh: only says Timmy
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14:26.31Duffinare the ones with @ mods?
14:27.59Duffin!users
14:30.19Duffinhmm if someone with info about tickets on wowace feel free to query me
14:40.39Caleb|Duffin not all projects may have the ticket tracker enabled, tha author has to enable that feature
14:41.31Duffinhmm but i can see that it is 8 pages of tickets =/
14:41.54DuffinCaleb|:
14:41.55Caleb|which project are you talking about?
14:42.03DuffinAddon Prat
14:42.07Duffinfof wow
14:42.09Duffinfor
14:42.25Caleb|~project Addon Prat
14:42.42Duffinjust Prat them
14:42.45Duffinthen
14:42.54Duffina addon for wow called Prat
14:43.12Caleb|ticket managment seem to be working fine for me
14:43.26Caleb|I suspect the error is on your side
14:43.32quiescensgasp
14:44.01Caleb|pokes quiescens
14:44.01Duffinlike?
14:44.03quiescensdies.
14:44.51Caleb|http://www.wowace.com/addons/prat-3-0/tickets/ do you have no "post ticket" option on that page Duffin?
14:44.59Duffindo i need to be logged in? but i tried make account but it said my email is in use but when i take recover pass it wont send me email... and i pressed that hours ago
14:45.02Caleb|top right corner maybe?
14:45.14Caleb|pretty sure you need to be logged in
14:45.44Caleb|I suggest you try to log in somehow in the first place
14:46.24Duffinbut to recover password should send mail instant =/
14:47.36Duffinhmm Anyone here that that use Prat in wow?
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15:31.38Duffinalways this dead?
15:32.01Duffinor mostly people from us?
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15:45.33Stanzillawhat's your problem with it
15:46.27TorhalDuffin: Traffic comes and goes.
15:46.51DuffinTorhal: but only 1 way?
15:47.07TorhalBoth ways. Uphill. In the snow.
15:47.11Duffini think i found it but not sure
15:48.00DuffinStanzilla: i wanted to use "chatlog" in Prat but had to enable it somewhere and i did
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15:48.41Duffin(before i enebled it in that window it was grey so i couldent see the setting in there)
15:50.35DuffinStanzilla: i want it to save all chats to a file/files
15:51.03Stanzilla./chatlog
15:51.45Duffindident work
15:51.48Duffinlet me relog
15:52.31silentiumDuffin: http://wowpedia.org/MACRO_chatlog doesnt require any addons
15:53.18Duffinsilentium: i tried that but it only saved like a couple of hours
15:54.16Funkeh`there's only a certain amount you'll be allowed to save
15:54.37Duffinbut i hoped with prat it could be more?
15:54.59Duffin. /chatlog gave me 2 respons
15:55.20DuffinChat logging disabled
15:55.26DuffinChat being logged to Logs\WoWChatLog.txt
15:56.02silentiumI dont use the feature, but I guess the file gets overwritten instead of appended to, so you'd want to copy it to some other directory or rename it
15:56.40Duffinbut this is wows own chatlogging
15:56.54Duffinin Prat there is a option for chatlog
15:57.04silentiumpersonally I use http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/elephant for a chat backlog, but it doesnt save the data permanently either, just a configurable number of lines per channel/source
15:58.54Duffini lie prat alot, yea it saves so i can scroll up and see some "chat" , and also that it shows classcolor in chatwindow and that i can copy from chat
15:59.03Duffinlike*
15:59.58silentiumElephant doesnt do anything with your chat frames so it should work fine next to Prat
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16:01.58Funkeh`classcolors are a blizzard feature
16:02.14Funkeh`extending the backlog of chat windows is a feature that most chat mods have
16:05.51Duffinused prat since before blizzard added that
16:06.32Duffini just wanted the chats saved like everyday or so,
16:07.46silentiumaddons can only save data to their own saved variables files by setting those variables, no other files are accessible
16:08.10silentiumwell, and they can set the default UI /chatlog for you, but that can be done manually as well
16:09.19silentiumso you wont find any addons that write chat log files with time stamps in the file names or anything like that
16:09.26Duffinwhat? prat lets me rollback text when i log in, and that should also be saved somewhere?
16:09.41silentiumsure, that is saved within the prat saved variables file
16:10.06silentiumbut those files are a) not formatted for readability in a file editor, and b) have an upper size limit
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16:11.45Duffinhmm
16:14.44silentiumhave a look at your WTF\Account\<account>\<realm>\<character>\SavedVariables\Prat-3.0_HighCPUUsageModules.lua file, it contains the scrollback data
16:25.34Duffinyea i saw really unformated but you can get it
16:26.23Duffinbut same name file but just .lua.bak i can read things from 2012
16:26.56Duffinbut you saying there is no addon that saves chatlogs?
16:30.14znf:-(
16:30.40znfchatlogs are saved by Blizzard in the "Logs" directory, afaik
16:30.55Duffinand somehow i relogged and i couldent scroll back chat
16:31.05Duffinand i relogged angain and it was back =/
16:31.21znf...aaaaand the Hearthstone beta is EU only
16:31.22znfGG me
16:31.34znfs/EU/US/
16:31.54DuffinEU for the win
16:32.37Duffinyea but that log is only for a couple of hours
16:34.13Duffinand in wrong date order
16:34.26Duffin8/20
16:34.50Duffin8th day in the 20 month?
16:35.50quiescenssmarch
16:37.26silentiumDuffin: the .lua.bak file is created when the .lua file is about to be overwritten if no .lua.bak file exists yet, so only on the second logout after you installed the addon
16:37.53silentiumafterwards if never gets touched again unless you delete it, in which case it is created again as a backup of the current .lua file
16:38.18silentiumthat's why you found 2012 data in it
16:39.10silentiumDuffin: copy the /chatlog file to a different location before logging in so it isnt overwritten
16:39.33silentiumhave you ever heard of the US date format? month/date/year
16:39.38Duffinbut i have been logging in and out alot today
16:39.46Duffinthat so sucks =P
16:39.55Duffinbut the file been the same
16:39.56silentiumcreate a script that does the backup for you
16:40.32silentiumcomplain to blizzard, it's their UI platform with their limitations
16:40.55Duffinhehe so i can make script? but there is no addon for it ?
16:41.19Duffini checked this log at 13
16:41.32Duffinand it showed from 10
16:41.38silentiumand it's been like that for ages
16:42.03silentiumyou can make a script that you run on your PC, outside of WoW, which does the file copying/moving
16:42.32Duffinsimple .bat should do?
16:42.49silentiumwhatever pleases you
16:42.50quiescensold school
16:44.33Duffinaint no programmer but i aced that class in "gymnasiet" but its been 8 years lol
16:46.26silentiummy gf says she used a setting in the Elephant addon to enable the Blizzard chat log feature, and her WoWChatLog.txt file contains text since May 22nd, around 250k lines
16:46.48silentiumwhich makes me believe that wow doesnt overwrite the file at all
16:47.09Duffinyea and i kinda relogged twice =/
16:47.14silentiumbut instead appends to it whenever the log feature is enabled
16:48.11silentiumif it appends to the file instead over overwriting it then I dont understand your problem with it
16:50.05Duffinhmm well i woke up like 7 and logged in
16:50.21Duffinabout 9 9.30 i joined a pug
16:50.34silentiumwhen did you enable logging?
16:50.40Duffinand the wowchat log begins in middle of the fight
16:51.31Duffinenable it wear?
16:51.40Duffinwhere
16:51.48silentiumwhen did you tell your wow client to start logging?
16:51.58Duffinnope
16:52.04Duffini havent
16:52.19silentiumif you didnt enable it then it wouldnt log at all...
16:52.35Duffinand would i do it during the middle of a bossfight without knowing it?
16:52.38silentiumby default it doesnt log the chat
16:53.06silentiumI dont know what you did, when you did it and how, that's why I'm asking you
16:54.49silentiumI dont think I can help you any further though, so I'm off now
16:55.08Duffinaww
16:57.10Duffini came to ask why i cant put a ticket on wowace =/ i still havent recived recover password mail from curse or wowace... been like 3 hours soon =/
16:57.41Duffinand hoped maybe someone knew something about prat
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17:02.40quiescensblame someone at random
17:03.23TorhalDuffin: I believe there are issues with the mail system. You may want to try again (no idea if it's fixed or not)
17:07.36Duffinand know i dont know how i changed font in wow =/
17:10.41Duffinnvm that
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17:22.20StanzillaFisker: seen that? http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/08/20/t-mobile-posts-nexus-4-update-jwr66y-brings-security-improvements-probably-not-much-else/
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18:19.39Stanzillahttp://android-developers.blogspot.de/2013/08/google-play-services-32.html
18:19.41StanzillaYUSSSS
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19:18.55pompywhatever Stanzilla
19:22.08bluspacecowhttp://imgur.com/MoiZg7E
19:23.03Stanzillapompy: huh?
19:27.17pompyhttp://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/08/20/borderlands-2-coming-to-playstation-vita/
19:30.29hastewat
19:35.31znflet's ask Parnic
19:35.44Parnicwhat about it
19:37.18Parnicgood times.
19:42.48Stanzillapompy: why did you w/e me!
19:48.49Funkeh`yeah they should use money on bringing it to a struggling platform rather than fixing the PC bugs!
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20:10.45Repoacheron: 03natal * r99  (3 files in 1 directory):
20:10.45RepoFixed reporting to channels; fixed health reporting; fixed unit names not showing; bumped TOC
20:36.50Repoacheron: 03natal 04v2.0.0-release * r100 : Tagging as v2.0.0-release
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20:46.54ParnicFunkeh`: pc bugs such as?
20:47.22ParnicFunkeh`: there is a list of 50+ bugfixes coming in the next patch...maybe one of them is the one you're concerned about
20:47.24Fiskerhugs Parnic
20:47.44Funkeh`the item scrolling one, for one
20:47.59Parnichave a forum thread or something handy so i can see what you mean?
20:50.17Funkeh`Parnic, http://steamcommunity.com/app/49520/discussions/search/?q=scrolling
20:50.48Parnicany idea if that complaint has made it over to our forums or not? we can't watch every internet forum for bugs :(
20:50.56Stanzillathat bug is so super annoying
20:51.47Funkeh`no idea, but it's so obvious and so regular it boggles how it even still exists
20:52.13Parnic"regular" and "obvious" mean different things for millions of people than it does for the few of us here :)
20:52.27Parnicif our gameplay style doesn't trigger the bug, we never see it until someone points it out to us with repro steps of how to make it happen
20:52.34Parnicat that point we can fix it. i'll make sure the guys are made aware
20:52.46Funkeh`it's a UI bug
20:52.49Funkeh`not gameplay
20:53.05Parnicwhen i say "gameplay style" i mean our style of playing the game and interacting with its UI
20:53.14Parnicthe way in which we use the UI is probably different from many other people
20:53.51Funkeh`I'd imagine most people use the mousewheel to scroll their inventory
20:57.01Parnicso what's the deal, exactly? does the mouse cursor go away? does the UI stop scrolling? what's the actual bug other than "scrolling is bugged"
20:58.36Parnichttp://steamcommunity.com/app/49520/discussions/0/882961070593810804/ is that what you mean? can't scroll to the bottom of the list?
20:59.07Funkeh`Parnic, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWu4SK69_M8
20:59.11Funkeh`october :x
21:00.16Repohandynotes_lostandfound: 03Kemayo 07master * v7-2-g7afdcfe Lost.lua: [+1 commit] Better location for Hozen Treasure Cache
21:00.38Parnichere's what i see in that video: the mouse wheel moves the selection box, but doesn't shift the view up and down. when the user moves his mouse, it re-selects the cell under the mouse cursor
21:01.02Parnicin other words, it's working as our UI guys intended it to, but it's non-intuitive to the person recording the video. which is why we don't perceive that as a bug. but i can see what the complaint is.
21:01.15TorhalParnic: I know what Funkeh` is talking about, and it's infuriating.
21:01.23TorhalI've actually clicked on something I didn't intend to.
21:01.32Funkeh`no it's just fucked
21:01.34TorhalIt's like the scrolling stops responding as it should.
21:01.45Funkeh`I've actually swapped guns UNDER the one I wanted to swap
21:01.58TorhalI haven't opened BL2 in a month, so I can't be any more helpful than that unfortunately
21:02.08TorhalYah, sounds about right.
21:02.28Parnicokay, well this is super frustrating from our point of view when everyone says "it's broken" and "it stops responding like it should" but those phrases are not helpful
21:02.48Funkeh`pay close attention to the 8-10second mark
21:02.51Parnici'll tell our QA to spend more time looking into what the problem is and see if we can figure out what everyone's perceiving as a bug
21:02.54Funkeh`it's as if it's scrolling in reverse
21:02.56TorhalParnic: I understand that definitely, and next time it happens I'll throw you a PM with exact behaviors.
21:03.06TorhalIt doesn't happen consistently, I can tell you that.
21:03.16ParnicFunkeh`: it's doing as i described. watch the guy's mouse cursor - he's moving the cursor down and scrolling the wheel up
21:03.25Parnicif he stopped moving his cursor, the "bug" would not occur
21:03.34Funkeh`the same thing happens with the mousewheel
21:03.39Funkeh`when I'm not moving the mouse at all
21:03.53TorhalParnic: Did you know about the voice bug when rapidly switching between vendors? Zed will talk when Marcus is supposed to, etc.
21:04.15Stanzillathat made me laugh so many times
21:04.21Stanzillaalso they talking over each other all the time
21:04.26Parnicok, i'll pass the video along to QA then. we are very seriously trying to improve the game as much as possible. i think our long history of patches should attest to that. we support our games more than most any other non-mmo :)
21:04.50ParnicTorhal: that sounds unfortunate, but super low priority when weighed with the other things we are doing :)
21:05.38TorhalOh, I know…just didn't know if you knew about it. It's more funny than anything else.
21:11.23Funkeh`make sure to tell them it happens when using the mouse wheel also
21:11.35Funkeh`that bug is literally the single most annoying thing about the game
21:12.30StanzillaI love those little buff shrines
21:12.43Stanzillathat eat my eridium because I mindlessly clicked them before reading
21:12.55Funkeh`also please tell them to make sure the new DLC comes out before BF4 does so I actually play it :D
21:13.10StanzillaFunkeh`: will you get premium for bf4?
21:13.15Funkeh`most likely
21:13.28Stanzilla100€ are pretty scary though :/
21:14.05Funkeh`haven't looked at the prices
21:14.18Stanzillapremium is 50
21:14.23Stanzillagame probably 59
21:16.39Fisker140 euro here
21:16.53Fisker127€ if non-deluxe edition
21:18.41Stanzilladayum
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22:34.04SlaymanWhy would you support EA by paying extra for mostly crappy/cheap stuff with your already overpriced BF4?
22:34.11Slaymanalso Origin, really guys?
22:36.53StanzillaO_O
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