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| 00:26.13 | nebula169 | Primer: few things i noticed, everything happens in an OnUpdate, so events aren't really needed for updating, you're saving the unit, but it's possible that can change, would be better to save a reference to the frame or do :GetParent().unit |
| 00:27.01 | nebula169 | and your unit check is a mess :p not unit or UnitIsUnit(unit, "player") or frame.is_wacky or (not UnitPlayerOrPetInRaid(unit) and not UnitPlayerOrPetInParty(unit)) would cover it |
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| 00:28.15 | Kaelten | how goes guys? |
| 00:29.13 | Stanzilla | the damn heat |
| 00:29.15 | Stanzilla | is killing me |
| 00:29.55 | nebula169 | yea, it's been hot as hell, but just started to rain :D |
| 00:34.36 | Primer | nebula169: no sure what you mean by the onupdate part |
| 00:35.04 | Primer | I like the arrow refresh being under my control, hence the db.update_frequency |
| 00:37.28 | Primer | aww |
| 00:37.37 | Primer | well, I have to go to soccer anyhow |
| 00:37.43 | Primer | I hope my old legs hold up |
| 00:37.43 | znf | ...god damn customers |
| 00:37.57 | znf | they got me all drunk :-/ |
| 00:38.57 | Ressy | Its cold here. |
| 00:39.58 | Stanzilla | man I still need to find some bar mod that does not taint the shit out of my ui |
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| 00:48.55 | znf | Stanzilla, beat nevcairiel until he fixes it |
| 00:49.03 | Stanzilla | he can't I guess |
| 00:49.35 | Stanzilla | it's caused by some weird addon combo I'm using |
| 01:20.04 | znf | :-( |
| 01:20.15 | znf | I'm getting the same shit, so ... :-/ |
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| 02:35.53 | quiescens | moo |
| 03:23.59 | breser | Primer: I tried to look into your problem but your current version is busted. |
| 03:24.22 | breser | badUnitCheck tries to access db.show_distance. |
| 03:27.03 | quiescens | db.show_distance.? |
| 03:27.41 | breser | Looks to me like he means self.db.show_distance but that function doesn't take a self... |
| 03:30.37 | quiescens | gasp |
| 03:59.05 | nebula169 | breser: should just be container.db. instead of db. |
| 04:05.56 | Fisker | hey Kaelten |
| 04:05.59 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 04:06.04 | Fisker | not so hey quiescens |
| 04:07.25 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 04:10.26 | Fisker | hey |
| 04:10.33 | quiescens | ): |
| 04:12.36 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 04:12.39 | Fisker | sorry quiescens |
| 04:12.41 | Fisker | hey quiescens :) |
| 04:12.48 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 04:13.37 | Stanzilla | MysticalOS: hey, grats to your ingame item? |
| 04:13.52 | breser | nebula169: Yeah I figured that out. |
| 04:15.37 | nebula169 | :p |
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| 04:40.17 | breser | Primer: No PB4 problem. |
| 04:40.34 | breser | Primer: You only Show your container when creating the container or when in the OnUpdate. |
| 04:41.15 | breser | Primer: When the frame gets wiped of a unit, e.g. you have no targettarget then you hide your container but then have no way to reshow it. |
| 04:41.33 | breser | Primer: You should move your container:Show in UpdateFrame outside of the if not container block. |
| 04:41.42 | breser | Primer: You also probably want to do something with the badUnitCheck call. |
| 04:42.02 | breser | I'm guessing you want if badUnitCheck(container) then return self:ClearFrame(frame) end |
| 04:42.41 | breser | While I'm in here looking OnUpdate should bail on the lack of self.arrow before it bothers checking the unit. |
| 04:42.57 | breser | Checking for a single nil is much faster than doing all that string work. |
| 04:43.13 | breser | Also see nebula169's comments about your string checks. |
| 04:44.31 | breser | Also badUnit probably should just immediately bail if unit isn't set. |
| 04:44.54 | breser | It has an if unit and ... which causes a nil unit to fall through and run the UnitIsUnit(unit, "player") |
| 04:51.06 | breser | Your container.arrow = nil issue happens because you do container.arrow:Delete() before you remove the OnUpdate. |
| 04:51.56 | breser | You should be able to fix that without all the container.arrow checks by container:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) before doing the Deletes. |
| 04:53.07 | nebula169 | i have a tendacy to rewrite things as a look at them, http://www.wowace.com/paste/8305/ is what i came up with, lol >.>; |
| 04:54.13 | nebula169 | still probably has an issue if a unit invalidates it other than target |
| 04:54.21 | breser | And I agree with nebula169 change to not store the unit on your container. |
| 04:55.28 | breser | I probably wouldn't even bother storing the frame on the container though. I doubt that it's that much better than just doing container:GetParent() |
| 04:55.53 | nebula169 | table lookup instead of lookup + function call /shrug |
| 04:56.14 | breser | I'm sure it's modestly faster but not sure I'd bother with that level of optimization. |
| 04:56.44 | breser | nebula169: No idea why you did frame.is_wacky for the CheckUnit bit. |
| 04:56.53 | breser | nebula169: His module should work just fine on wacky units. |
| 04:57.14 | nebula169 | because he was avoiding targets in his strfind checks, i think |
| 04:58.00 | nebula169 | oh, guess just raid/pet targets |
| 04:58.36 | breser | It's probably best if modules don't worry about wacky frames. |
| 04:58.58 | breser | That flag is kinda an implementation detail. |
| 05:00.09 | breser | nebula169: Also no need for PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED |
| 05:00.17 | breser | nebula169: UpdateFrame gets called for that. |
| 05:00.33 | nebula169 | ah |
| 05:00.42 | Stanzilla | breser: did you have time to look at nebulas patch yet? |
| 05:00.47 | breser | I'd probably just replace the CheckUnit(container) with: |
| 05:00.59 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 05:01.03 | Fisker | looks llike i'm gay enough now |
| 05:01.13 | Stanzilla | good job |
| 05:01.25 | breser | if not CheckUnit(container) then container:Show() end at the bottom of UpdateFrame |
| 05:02.10 | breser | err if CheckUnit(container) then ... |
| 05:02.16 | breser | You reversed his boolean. |
| 05:02.34 | breser | Stanzilla: No. |
| 05:03.43 | breser | Side note: WoW not having a debugger really sucks. |
| 05:09.27 | Fisker | thanks Stanzilla |
| 05:09.42 | Stanzilla | np |
| 05:12.12 | Stanzilla | Fisker: do you think the new n4 will be based on the optimus g2? |
| 05:12.26 | Fisker | dunno Stanzilla |
| 05:12.30 | Fisker | maybe |
| 05:13.03 | Stanzilla | I'm not sure I like the buttons on the backside |
| 05:13.57 | Fisker | doesn't mean the nexus will have them |
| 05:14.01 | Fisker | anyway worktiems |
| 05:14.04 | Stanzilla | indeed |
| 05:14.26 | quiescens | woek woek |
| 05:47.34 | Stanzilla | sb: dude |
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| 06:49.21 | MysticalOS | firefox is up to 23.0 already huh. i think i have version 8 around here somewhere |
| 06:55.29 | Elkano | well, they changed their release schedule, pushing out a new major every ~2 month |
| 06:55.56 | Elkano | most likely due to Chrome doing similar |
| 07:13.02 | Primer | breser and nebula169, thanks |
| 07:13.06 | Primer | looking into all that now |
| 07:13.23 | Sintacks | how's your thesis, Elkano |
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| 07:20.06 | sb | Stanzilla: what? |
| 07:21.44 | Stanzilla | sb: wanted you to test something lastfm related but their support twitter already posted about problems so nvm |
| 07:21.48 | Stanzilla | good morning though |
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| 07:30.31 | sb | morning |
| 07:35.33 | mitch0 | no |
| 07:35.43 | sb | why not? |
| 07:36.20 | mitch0 | because |
| 08:07.37 | Repo | big-wigs: 03maat * r11018 (4 files in 1 directory): fix spelling and other errors of dry coding |
| 08:11.44 | quiescens | blu has been blu|shower for 3 hours or something |
| 08:12.00 | Blu|Shower | yes |
| 08:12.03 | Blu|Shower | so lovely in here |
| 08:12.20 | quiescens | must be using one of those waterproof phones |
| 08:17.21 | Primer | it sucks that I have to run bgs to test this addon most of the time |
| 08:17.32 | Primer | I get so caught up in the bg that I forget why I'm actually there |
| 08:17.46 | Primer | I'm just too competitive |
| 08:18.14 | Primer | The addon seems to be working great for raid frames and target now, but targettarget still gets no arrow |
| 08:18.24 | Primer | No lua errors though |
| 08:20.39 | quiescens | gives primer a cookie |
| 08:21.01 | Primer | yay |
| 08:21.21 | mitch0 | steals it |
| 08:21.39 | quiescens | o.o |
| 08:26.53 | Primer | So yeah, still no arrow for targettarget. The only thing I can think of that makes it different is that it's the same layout for target, but mirrored horizontally |
| 08:27.15 | Primer | same for targettargettarget |
| 08:27.32 | quiescens | what about targettargettargettarget? |
| 08:27.39 | Primer | no such thing |
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| 08:27.44 | quiescens | oh |
| 08:27.46 | quiescens | ): |
| 08:28.22 | Primer | You're a bad troll, btw |
| 08:29.06 | quiescens | do people actually use targettargettarget? |
| 08:29.10 | Primer | I do |
| 08:29.44 | Blu|Shower | target of target of target of targettargettarget |
| 08:29.48 | Blu|Shower | which is really just you |
| 08:30.16 | haste | Primer: you can have targettargettargettarget |
| 08:31.09 | Primer | well, there's no such thing in PB's config...not that I'd want it |
| 08:31.15 | Primer | checks again to make sure though |
| 08:32.41 | Repo | roleicons: 03oscarucb * r106 RoleIcons.lua: tooltip improvements |
| 08:32.41 | Repo | initial implementation of a CRZ tracker |
| 08:33.10 | Primer | I see debug output for the creation of my frame in targettarget |
| 08:35.49 | bluspacecow | now i hungry |
| 08:35.54 | bluspacecow | *eats Primer* |
| 08:36.02 | Primer | Is that like golden shower, but different? |
| 08:36.17 | bluspacecow | pizza shower |
| 08:36.47 | bluspacecow | it's like those berty's beans from harry potter but pizza |
| 08:37.24 | Primer | I thought blizz was doing away with all the functions named *Raid and *Party |
| 08:37.28 | Primer | and going with *Group |
| 08:38.49 | Primer | ok, seems it's that frame.is_wacky that caused the arrow to not appear in targettarget as well as targettargettarget |
| 08:39.40 | Primer | but the arrow location fine tuning needs to account for the horizontal mirror |
| 08:40.10 | bluspacecow | i would so install an addon called Wacky Frames |
| 08:40.21 | bluspacecow | make the frame quiver like jelly at random points |
| 08:47.17 | Primer | yay, fixed |
| 09:08.46 | Primer | excellent...AV...now I get to see 40 arrows |
| 09:08.52 | Primer | well, 39 |
| 09:21.32 | Repo | pitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu * r16 (4 files in 1 directory): |
| 09:21.32 | Repo | * Fixed a lot of the arrow container logic. Thanks Shefki and nebula169! |
| 09:21.32 | Repo | * Fixed fine tuned location of the arrow for mirrored frames. |
| 09:21.32 | Repo | * Fixed a reference to the profile db. |
| 09:21.59 | Repo | pitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu 04vv4.0.0-5.3.0.005-beta * r17 : Tagging as vv4.0.0-5.3.0.005-beta |
| 09:22.09 | Primer | oops |
| 09:22.13 | Primer | one too many v's |
| 09:23.35 | Repo | pitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu * r18 (3 files in 1 directory): * Fix tagging issue in tagging script. |
| 09:23.51 | Repo | pitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu 04vv4.0.0-5.3.0.006-beta * r19 : Tagging as v4.0.0-5.3.0.006-beta |
| 09:24.05 | quiescens | o.o |
| 09:24.40 | mitch0 | fix the script that's responsible for fixing the tagging script |
| 09:26.28 | nebula169 | Primer: yea, wacky units are anything that ends in target except target :p thought you didn't want those so i added that |
| 09:26.59 | Primer | it's all good |
| 09:27.03 | Primer | it seems to be working great now |
| 09:27.17 | Primer | I even added code to account for mirrored frames |
| 09:27.19 | quiescens | o.o |
| 09:27.27 | Primer | since I have config options for moving the arrow |
| 09:28.11 | quiescens | maybe there can be a better word to describe it instead of wacky |
| 09:28.57 | Repo | pitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu * r20 (3 files in 1 directory): Fix tagging script again. |
| 09:29.00 | nebula169 | ckk dubbed them wacky, therefore they are wacky! |
| 09:29.13 | Primer | make the stupid oh dot oh again |
| 09:29.38 | Repo | pitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu 04v4.0.0-5.3.0.007-beta * r21 : Tagging as v4.0.0-5.3.0.007-beta |
| 09:29.45 | quiescens | success \o/ |
| 09:29.50 | quiescens | gives primer a cookie |
| 09:30.22 | Primer | heh, all my tags up to that one had one too many v's |
| 09:30.24 | Primer | sigh |
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| 11:00.22 | Stanzilla | Fisker: have some lulz http://board.protecus.de/t42771.htm#360301 |
| 11:01.44 | sb | why lulzß |
| 11:01.50 | sb | latitude clone? |
| 11:02.48 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 11:02.53 | Stanzilla | also they fixed the jikun shortcutz |
| 11:12.50 | sb | huh? |
| 11:13.11 | Stanzilla | huh what? |
| 11:13.14 | Fisker | :( Stanzilla |
| 11:13.17 | Stanzilla | there is a wall before the waterfall now |
| 11:14.43 | Fisker | cunts |
| 11:14.55 | Fisker | huge exploit being able to get up to the boss faster |
| 11:16.34 | sb | ah, i used this once in LFR, sucked anyways |
| 11:16.45 | sb | because it took ages to get ~25 ppl up tere |
| 11:17.04 | Stanzilla | only with retards |
| 11:17.08 | Stanzilla | we used it with our normal raids |
| 11:17.54 | sb | i see |
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| 11:34.04 | quiescens | implement platforming sections as part of some of the raids |
| 11:34.18 | quiescens | or more stuff like the frogger bit in naxx |
| 11:52.06 | mitch0 | donkey kong as final boss! |
| 11:52.57 | quiescens | everyone likes laughing at people that die to environmental hazards |
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| 12:15.57 | nevcairiel | frogger was awesome |
| 12:16.06 | nevcairiel | unless a paladin decided to kill a few of his comrades |
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| 13:37.11 | Fisker | fuck this day and everything it stands for nevcairiel |
| 13:37.47 | nevcairiel | y u no like wednesday |
| 13:38.14 | Fisker | i do |
| 13:38.18 | Fisker | just not this wednesday :( |
| 13:38.24 | Fisker | i start out by deleting our windows image at work |
| 13:38.31 | Fisker | then stuff stops working |
| 13:38.34 | Fisker | then i think i fixed it |
| 13:38.38 | Fisker | and then more stuff stops working |
| 13:38.42 | Fisker | even if i revert what i did |
| 13:57.46 | sb | thats because you dont have a n7 2013 |
| 14:00.55 | Fisker | yes |
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| 14:10.37 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 14:10.40 | Fisker | *cocks gun* |
| 14:10.45 | Fisker | why does youtube think i'm german? |
| 14:13.47 | Humbedooh | Die Fisker |
| 14:14.01 | Fisker | why are you mean Humbedooh ? |
| 14:14.07 | Humbedooh | it's German! |
| 14:16.08 | Fisker | poor Justin Schuh Stanzilla |
| 14:16.31 | Fisker | instead of spending time fixing Chrome x64 he has to explain the verge why they are dumb fucks bringing up news that are literally 12+ years old |
| 14:24.12 | Torhal | What madness is this of which you speak Fisker? |
| 14:24.47 | Fisker | someone is whining over the fact that Chrome doesn't encrypt local password storage |
| 14:24.53 | Fisker | because it's fucking dumb |
| 14:25.20 | Torhal | Definitely an old issue but nowhere near 12+ years. Why so exaggerative? |
| 14:27.55 | quiescens | eh |
| 14:29.13 | quiescens | its not really about the fact that it stores the passwords, that's pretty much the same for all of the browsers |
| 14:29.55 | quiescens | a lot of poeple would still say its silly to be able to view them with just a couple clicks |
| 14:37.00 | Torhal | gives quiescens a couple clicks. |
| 14:37.17 | quiescens | stabs torhal with a cookie |
| 14:37.46 | Torhal | dumps quiescens into a vat of Nair. |
| 14:37.50 | quiescens | dies. |
| 14:38.10 | Fisker | Torhal is just trolling quiescens he's just mad that he copyright infringes when he claim not to |
| 14:38.47 | Torhal | introduces Fisker to punctuation. |
| 14:38.59 | Fisker | trolling is a art Torhal |
| 14:39.33 | Torhal | As is being an anti-grammar-Nazi, appearntly. |
| 14:39.57 | Fisker | i always like this part |
| 14:40.18 | Torhal | The crunchy part? |
| 14:40.30 | Fisker | Person doesn't really use punctuation sees a high lack of punctuation bam suddenly punctuation everywhere. |
| 14:40.40 | Fisker | I don't copyright infringe Torhal |
| 14:40.49 | Torhal | You're weird. Now let me wake up. |
| 14:41.56 | Fisker | zero weird Torhal |
| 14:42.07 | Fisker | just pointing out amusing fallacies in your personality |
| 14:42.42 | Torhal | Imagined ones. Scroll back and you'll see that I've used punctuation in every sentence. |
| 14:42.49 | Torhal | punctuates Fisker with quiescens. |
| 14:42.53 | quiescens | dies. |
| 14:43.08 | Fisker | indeed you have Torhal |
| 14:43.22 | Fisker | however it was not until after pointing out my lack that you started going over the top nazi grammar mode |
| 14:43.24 | Fisker | which was my point |
| 14:43.56 | Torhal | No, I was merely pointing out your intentional "mistakes" which is why I called you an anti-grammar-Nazi. |
| 14:44.08 | Torhal | You have to be intentional to be anti. Duh. |
| 14:44.21 | Fisker | you're talking about something different Torhal |
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| 14:44.30 | Torhal | You're still weird/ |
| 14:44.32 | Torhal | // |
| 14:44.33 | Torhal | / |
| 14:44.35 | Torhal | // |
| 14:44.35 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:45.17 | Fisker | you know what i'm not though? |
| 14:45.20 | Fisker | Copyright infringer |
| 14:45.25 | Torhal | Good. |
| 14:46.27 | quiescens | o.o |
| 14:48.12 | quiescens | if you could read plaintext passwords for something like your login to your computer just by clicking the "show password" button, people would probably be up in arms, but people seem to have decided its okay for chrome to do that |
| 14:49.12 | sb | if they have access to your chrome installation they could also just install a keylogger to get ALL of your passwords |
| 14:49.25 | sb | -of |
| 14:49.34 | quiescens | yes, if they have access to your computer they could access your computer login the same way |
| 14:49.52 | quiescens | does that mean you would be okay with being able to view the plaintext of your user account by clicking a convenient show password button? |
| 14:50.12 | Torhal | shadows quiescens. |
| 14:50.24 | Fisker | I would |
| 14:50.36 | sb | quiescens: there is no alternative to have an user account password |
| 14:50.47 | sb | i dont have any passwords in chrome |
| 14:51.48 | quiescens | i'm fine with fisker's decision that he's fine with it, i'm just saying a lot of people seem to be okay with it even though they are people that have probably previously been in uproar when someone finds a way to get the plaintext of a computer login |
| 14:52.35 | Fisker | define computer login |
| 14:52.52 | quiescens | as in your account on your own computer, or any other login really |
| 14:53.11 | Fisker | i don't think you've realized what the uproar was about then |
| 14:57.00 | quiescens | shrug |
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| 15:16.30 | Torhal | meltificates Fisker's reasoning. |
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| 15:19.39 | quiescens | o/ blu |
| 15:21.37 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 15:36.52 | breser | Primer: /win 4 |
| 15:36.56 | breser | bah |
| 15:38.09 | breser | Primer: The targettarget* frames are wacky. I guess I didn't really test them because the person in my group I was using for testing was leveling and I didn't get them to target themselves. It may be hard to have units like that work properly. |
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| 16:51.54 | quiescens | ! |
| 16:51.59 | Humbedooh | :O |
| 17:02.51 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.13 | quiescens | goto sleep humbedooh |
| 17:10.24 | haste | go to sleep quiescens |
| 17:11.52 | quiescens | ): |
| 17:20.49 | Fisker | go to gamescon with me haste |
| 17:20.58 | haste | I most likely will |
| 17:21.13 | Fisker | i don't think you will |
| 17:21.34 | Gnarfoz | *gamescom |
| 17:21.36 | Gnarfoz | (idiotic name) |
| 17:22.44 | Fisker | yep |
| 17:22.49 | Fisker | i'm gay enough now Gnarfoz |
| 17:22.51 | Fisker | no thanks to you though |
| 17:23.12 | Gnarfoz | how would you know |
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| 17:24.02 | Fisker | I'm in the beta now Gnarfoz |
| 17:24.29 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: no, I mean, how would you know that's not because of my guy |
| 17:24.53 | Fisker | because then i would've gotten it 4 weeks ago? |
| 17:24.59 | Fisker | is it because of your guy? |
| 17:25.22 | Gnarfoz | entirely not necessarily - I did ask him a while back to add you, so it might as well be because of him |
| 17:25.30 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 17:25.36 | Fisker | well whether or not it was, thanks then :P |
| 17:25.43 | Gnarfoz | ^o^ |
| 17:25.43 | Fisker | i didn't get an e-mail |
| 17:25.45 | Gnarfoz | np |
| 17:25.50 | Fisker | so it could be him i guess |
| 17:26.04 | Fisker | but i thought pretty much everyone just got one today |
| 17:26.07 | Fisker | because a lot of people did |
| 17:26.08 | Gnarfoz | we'll probably never know, I don't think he has access to that info |
| 17:26.15 | Gnarfoz | maybe, maybe not, maybe he didn't even do it |
| 17:26.16 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 17:34.22 | Fisker | it is done Stanzilla |
| 17:34.22 | Fisker | https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager |
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| 17:38.34 | naeshy | hello all |
| 17:38.59 | naeshy | I've done some browsing on wowace.com and wasn't able to find the process for users to contribute source updates to a project |
| 17:39.15 | naeshy | is it just open, per project or do I need to request access? |
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| 17:48.52 | Repo | improvements to realm detection feature, now works in all groups |
| 17:49.54 | Fisker | holy shit on a stick Stanzilla |
| 17:49.55 | Fisker | https://plus.google.com/u/0/112218872649456413744/posts/9HHRURorE7g |
| 17:49.58 | Fisker | it happened :/ |
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| 18:07.12 | Megalon | you sad Fisker? |
| 18:07.56 | Fisker | yes |
| 18:15.16 | Gnarfoz | I hate it when people feel so important that they think it's cool to be all cryptic :( |
| 18:15.32 | Gnarfoz | and if it's about work and "they can't tell", then they shouldn't be making public statements like that anyway |
| 18:25.51 | Fisker | The JBQ thing? |
| 18:26.18 | nebula169 | whine whine whine |
| 18:27.06 | sb | well, he is french... :P |
| 18:28.13 | Fisker | it's true though |
| 18:28.15 | Fisker | but still |
| 18:28.29 | Fisker | They should be providing open source drivers |
| 18:28.50 | Fisker | hardware wants to be free :( |
| 18:30.32 | haste | Fisker: backstory? |
| 18:31.16 | nebula169 | qualcomm are dicks, french guy gets all melodramatic and quits |
| 18:32.43 | haste | sad |
| 18:32.54 | Gnarfoz | google's lawyers weren't badass enough |
| 18:33.22 | nebula169 | seems weird that google wouldn't have more say with that, they pick the vendor for the nexus, don't they? |
| 18:37.12 | Fisker | well sure |
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| 18:37.23 | Fisker | but they still need to find a SoC willing to deal with Google's terms |
| 18:37.27 | Fisker | which doesn't seem to be Qualcomm |
| 18:40.01 | Gnarfoz | see above: Google not hardcore enough about OSS, which seems to be JBQ's complaint |
| 18:40.45 | Fisker | I guess that depends on how you define hardcore |
| 18:41.18 | Fisker | Even the best AOSP device (Nexus 10) isn't fully open source |
| 18:47.31 | Gnarfoz | it means exactly that, yes. were they more serious about everything being OSS (which they aren't anyway, they just want to profit from external contributions), they'd pick their hardware appropriately (meaning: such that they can open source whatever they want) |
| 18:50.22 | Fisker | Well if NASA was hardcore about space exploration they would do that too |
| 18:52.06 | Gnarfoz | not sure what you're trying to say :D |
| 18:52.33 | Gnarfoz | don't like the wording? replace "hardcore" with "serious" |
| 18:52.40 | Gnarfoz | but spare me the why so serious puns :D |
| 18:53.03 | Gnarfoz | (oh, I actually already replaced it myself, lol) |
| 18:54.05 | Gnarfoz | rather, I don't know what "that" in your sentence would refer to... if NASA was hardcore about space exploration, they would do /what/, too? :D |
| 18:56.04 | Fisker | space exploration |
| 18:56.11 | Fisker | last i heard there won't be more moon missions :( |
| 18:56.32 | Gnarfoz | that's not NASA's decision anyway |
| 18:57.00 | Fisker | neither is it really Google's decision that every player in the business won't deal on the terms Google wants |
| 18:57.08 | Fisker | Alternative is to quit or reach a compromise |
| 18:57.43 | Fisker | And through compromise we might eventually see progress towards the end goal |
| 19:02.12 | Gnarfoz | you don't even know if there's not a player that would accept Google's terms, or rather, the terms JBQ wished were Google's |
| 19:03.31 | Fisker | You're welcome to show me one, i for sure know that it isn't the case with any of the major players |
| 19:07.41 | Gnarfoz | I doubt you're going to find anyone posting publicly what they're willing to negotiate with the biggest customer there is |
| 19:08.38 | Fisker | I'm not |
| 19:08.41 | Fisker | But we know history |
| 19:09.08 | Gnarfoz | history shows Google doesn't throw its weight around as much as JBQ would like ;) |
| 19:09.28 | Fisker | Which brings us back to NASA not throwing their weight around for space exploration |
| 19:09.29 | Gnarfoz | maybe they actually tried, who knows |
| 19:09.39 | Gnarfoz | NASA has no weight to throw around on space exploration |
| 19:09.44 | Gnarfoz | since they don't make decisions |
| 19:09.53 | Gnarfoz | well, they certainly make tons of them :D but not those |
| 19:10.01 | Fisker | Google doesn't make decisions about other companies products either |
| 19:10.04 | Fisker | both can mediate |
| 19:10.23 | Gnarfoz | Google makes decisions about who their partners are and how much they're willing to compromise |
| 19:10.44 | Gnarfoz | and JBQ apparently wants them to be uncompromising about being able to open source everything |
| 19:10.59 | Fisker | There would be no Android if Google wasn't compromising |
| 19:11.03 | Fisker | you can be pretty sure of that |
| 19:11.11 | Fisker | atleast no commercial android alternative |
| 19:11.19 | Gnarfoz | there would be, because it existed before Google bought it :( maybe it would be very, very tiny! :D |
| 19:11.28 | Gnarfoz | it would probably be a camera OS |
| 19:11.29 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:11.46 | Gnarfoz | and for the record, it's not me who's saying Google should be uncompromising: JBQ is |
| 19:12.08 | Gnarfoz | so he's either an idealist moron, or... actually, I don't know what else |
| 19:12.27 | Gnarfoz | would he rather not have Android at all, if it can't be 100% OSS? |
| 19:13.00 | Fisker | I don't think so |
| 19:13.19 | Fisker | he wants 100% OSS I believe |
| 19:13.27 | Fisker | and he would probably be willing to wait for that |
| 19:13.36 | Gnarfoz | seems he's done waiting ^^ |
| 19:13.41 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 19:14.02 | Fisker | I'm guessing that morons usually spamming the AOSP groups with "where's muh factory image" could've pushed him over the edge |
| 19:14.17 | Fisker | Specifically when he warned Google that Qualcomm wouldn't allow them to post factory images |
| 19:14.33 | Gnarfoz | he's in the usual "can't do anything about it, and I hate it" position |
| 19:14.52 | Gnarfoz | which... really, A LOT of IT guys are in, programmers/engineers/admins/whatever |
| 19:15.22 | Fisker | yeah |
| 19:15.37 | Fisker | But to these companies GPL are toxic |
| 19:15.44 | Fisker | and gpl-like licenses |
| 19:15.53 | Fisker | I've dealt with enough of that shit at work |
| 19:16.02 | Fisker | Technically not open source |
| 19:16.50 | Fisker | but a few years back a lot of the municipalities here's invested in a "shared source" project to deal with handling of electronic journals and shit |
| 19:17.00 | Fisker | All the closed source players have been lobbying for years |
| 19:17.05 | Fisker | sued and lost countless times |
| 19:17.24 | Fisker | and now they're still trying to convince the people in charge that the system is illegal |
| 19:17.56 | Fisker | Because basically we're sharing our progress, and that means there's a pretty low cost on developing new features |
| 19:18.27 | Fisker | And that messes up the big companies closed source models, they can't make the same money 100 times because they sell them individually |
| 19:18.52 | Fisker | Even Microsoft basically believes that Open Source is fine, as long as they can close source it and make money from it |
| 19:19.08 | Fisker | i.e. BSD/MIT licenses |
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| 19:49.00 | nevcairiel | you know whats even worse then GPL? |
| 19:49.02 | nevcairiel | AGPL |
| 19:50.31 | Kalroth | anal gpl? |
| 19:50.40 | nevcairiel | it makes it impossible to even simply use something in a corporate environment |
| 19:51.18 | nevcairiel | because the license says that anyone that has access to the output of the program/library/whatever needs to be given access to the source |
| 19:51.31 | Kalroth | GPL is fine for corporate environment, just dont use it in products you plan on using outside your company |
| 19:51.47 | nevcairiel | so have a AGPL library for your web application? nope, can't use it |
| 19:52.08 | Kalroth | sure you can, just link to the source of your web application |
| 19:52.09 | nevcairiel | or your web application would need to be open source |
| 19:52.21 | Gnarfoz | AGPL is the idealists dream |
| 19:52.26 | Gnarfoz | and thus, next to nobody uses it |
| 19:52.26 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:52.32 | Kalroth | so you're being about you not being able to free source code? i wonder what the option to that is?! |
| 19:52.35 | nevcairiel | guess when its used Gnarfoz |
| 19:52.43 | Kalroth | oh yeah, write your own damn code instead of leeching! |
| 19:52.51 | nevcairiel | on dual-license shitware that wants to make money and hide behind opensource |
| 19:53.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: heh |
| 19:54.04 | nevcairiel | sadly a license cannot forbid dual-licensing, so there is nothing the neckbeards can do about such an abuse .p |
| 19:54.31 | Kalroth | dual license is what? using middleware? |
| 19:54.38 | Gnarfoz | dual licensing is dual licensing |
| 19:54.54 | Kalroth | but one license doesn't invalidate the other license |
| 19:55.01 | nevcairiel | you just have two licenses for the same thing, you either can use it under AGPL, or you pay for a corporate license without such restrictions |
| 19:55.04 | Gnarfoz | sure it does |
| 19:55.11 | Gnarfoz | publish as AGPL for anyone |
| 19:55.23 | Kalroth | ahh okay in that way |
| 19:55.24 | Gnarfoz | and offer under proprietary license for moneh |
| 19:55.28 | Kalroth | yeah, that's smart |
| 19:55.43 | Kalroth | give to the people, charge the corporate suits |
| 19:56.02 | nevcairiel | even as a people i wouldnt want my webapp to generally be open source |
| 19:56.18 | nevcairiel | just because i want to use that weirdo library |
| 19:56.25 | nevcairiel | i think iText it was, for handling pdf |
| 19:56.45 | Kalroth | so we're back to you writing your own code, instead of relying on others :) |
| 19:57.13 | nevcairiel | thats just silly, noone in their right mind writes *all* code themself |
| 19:57.28 | Kalroth | what if what you want/need isn't available? |
| 19:57.44 | nevcairiel | then you have no choice? :p |
| 19:57.59 | Kalroth | and AGPL means it isn't available, hence ..! |
| 19:58.00 | Torhal | And we've come to the reason software exists to begin with! |
| 19:58.20 | Megalon | rewrites Torhal in Fisker |
| 19:58.24 | nevcairiel | in this particular case you can luckily use older versions of the library, it was relicensed only lately |
| 19:58.29 | Megalon | using anal gpl of course |
| 19:58.38 | Torhal | Megalon: Fisker is not a language, though he uses a foul variant. |
| 19:58.42 | Kalroth | besides, it's the first i've heard of AGPL, surely PD/MIT and GPL2/3 are the most common licenses? |
| 19:58.54 | nevcairiel | yea AGPL isnt used much luckily |
| 19:59.51 | nevcairiel | much stuff is also under the apache license |
| 20:00.32 | Gnarfoz | the utter majority of all code in existance is probably under no particular license at all and thus 'all rights reserved' :D |
| 20:00.43 | Gnarfoz | s/tance/tence/ |
| 20:00.54 | nevcairiel | well sure, but if you release it, usually you put some license on it |
| 20:01.06 | nevcairiel | unless you're a wow addon author |
| 20:01.06 | Gnarfoz | these days, hopefully |
| 20:01.09 | Gnarfoz | unless you're DJB |
| 20:02.30 | Gnarfoz | fuck that guy :P incredibly talented and smart, but too boneheaded to accept that "I'll use no license!" means a significant amount of people won't use his software... but then, he only wrote it because he's OCD and the other software was BAD ;) |
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| 20:08.44 | Fisker | you wouldn't copyright infringe a guy Torhal |
| 20:10.06 | Humbedooh | I don't know about that, Torhal is a pretty crazy guy |
| 20:10.17 | Humbedooh | he once killed a man, you know |
| 20:10.53 | Torhal | Humbedooh: That was Fisker, whom you are now infringing upon. |
| 20:11.06 | Humbedooh | Torhal: no, Fisker killed a guy - big difference |
| 20:11.33 | Torhal | rewrites Humbedooh in FORTH. |
| 20:11.34 | Humbedooh | statically links Torhal with lib-cern-meta |
| 20:11.49 | Humbedooh | Torhal: ooh, ooh! I have experience with Forth according to Ohloh |
| 20:11.51 | Humbedooh | a lot in fact |
| 20:13.04 | Humbedooh | http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/dgruno/languages speaks for itself |
| 20:15.07 | Torhal | Humbedooh: I'm assuming you've never touched it? |
| 20:15.21 | Humbedooh | Torhal: of course |
| 20:26.15 | wink | lol |
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| 22:12.47 | Xuerian | oscarucb1: Pushed a alpha, see if that solves your battlepet problem. |
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| 23:34.50 | Fisker | Xuerian |
| 23:51.20 | Xuerian | Fisker |
| 23:51.51 | Fisker | why? |
| 23:52.02 | Xuerian | Entropy. |