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10:46.21Iroaredhey what time is the wowace website running at?
10:47.18Stanzilla...what?
10:47.41quiescensrealtime?
10:47.44quiescensideally?
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11:19.33znfIroared, half past seven
11:23.39Fiskermaybe bantime sb ?
11:28.00sbno :(
11:29.01Iroaredznf half past seven AM?
11:29.43Iroaredtrying to figure out when the store purchases go out
11:35.54znf...
11:49.37nevcairielamazon cards are automatically delivered, paypal is manually confirmed once a month at unknown times
11:50.03nebula169paypal should be soon
11:52.44nebula169(soon being sometime this week) lol
11:56.25Iroaredwell so far its been consistent on 5th at around 23:00
12:06.42nevcairielif you're lucky the person doing it is on summer vacation and there is none this month at all :)
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17:30.28quiescensgo sleep~
17:30.41bluipodcowAt work :(
17:30.44quiescens):
17:30.50quiescenswoek woek
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18:19.27GnarfozOMG
18:19.51Gnarfozbathroom door vs. rug vs. foot = ARRRRGH
18:20.27PrimerI don't suppose anyone here would be willing to help me diagnose a problem with my PitBull4_Arrow? I can't figure out why the arrow "goes away" for certain frame groups.
18:21.45PrimerIt works perfectly for the group frames
18:25.15PrimerAlso, does anyone know how one can track a mob programatically? Like how you can do so in the minimap.
18:26.15znfSo...
18:26.31sbGnarfoz: haha! :p
18:28.04Gnarfozsb: it's blue :(
18:28.30GnarfozPrimer: minimap is pretty much out of bounds, not a lot addons can do with it (intentionally)
18:28.36sbGnarfoz: cut it off
18:28.38znfThanks for "nothing", blizzard :-/
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18:28.46znf"Explanation" of realms, my ass
18:29.15Gnarfozwhat are you ranting about now
18:29.19PrimerGnarfoz: I presumed that since the minimap did it, that there was an API for it
18:29.32GnarfozPrimer: interesting assumption for someone who's been around as long as you :P
18:29.48PrimerGnarfoz: what you're saying then is that target and focus tracking in the minimap is "special"?
18:30.01GnarfozI'm saying the minimap is pretty much "gtfo" territory
18:30.16PrimerYou don't seem to be grasping what I'm saying
18:30.21Gnarfozlike nameplates are intended to be (it's evil hackery that makes nameplate addons work)
18:30.25znfI don't think you're grasping what he's saying
18:30.41Fiskeri once murdered a guy
18:30.43GnarfozBlizzard doesn't want addons accessing the information the minimap provides
18:30.44PrimerGnarfoz: what you're saying then is that target and focus tracking in the minimap is "special"? </repeat>
18:30.46Gnarfozis that clearer
18:31.02PrimerI'm going to infer "yes" then
18:31.05GnarfozI have no idea what you mean by "is special".
18:31.16Gnarfozthe entire minimap is "special" if you want
18:31.55PrimerPerhaps if I word it like this:
18:32.10PrimerIn wow, I saw a feature. I want to replicate that feature. What's the API for it?
18:32.16PrimerPresume I didn't say "minimap" at all
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18:32.31GnarfozI can't, since the minimap is... special :D
18:32.40PrimerThen you go: Well, what is the feature?
18:32.45Gnarfozdude
18:32.49PrimerAnd I'd go: mob target and focus tracking
18:32.50Gnarfozwhat's so complicated
18:33.04PrimerOnly the way you presumed I knew what you knew
18:33.05GnarfozI have no idea what you even mean by "mob target and focus tracking"
18:33.06Gnarfoz:D
18:33.13Gnarfozsince when can you track targets of mobs?
18:33.27Gnarfozdo you mean the special blips for your target and your focus?
18:33.44Gnarfozyou can't access the blips (you can replace their BLPs, though)
18:34.06Gnarfozunless things have changed over the years, I'd hope someone will correct me if that's the case
18:34.56Gnarfozhttp://wowprogramming.com/docs/api ctrl-f minimap - not there
18:35.05Gnarfoz*not much there
18:35.15PrimerAgain, you keep harping on "minimap:
18:35.17Primer"
18:35.26PrimerWhich again, presumes I know what you know
18:35.34Gnarfozwhaaat
18:35.59GnarfozI'm out, Lei Shen hc explanations seem to come to an end, it's time to die :D
18:36.28Primer"The fact that you can 'track' _your_ target and focus in the minimap is a 'special feature of the minimap'. There is no API for it."
18:36.40PrimerIs all you had to say
18:36.55GnarfozI said what I said since I understood your question a certain way
18:36.59Gnarfozand that's that
18:37.00Primerindeed
18:37.33PrimerBut your basis for understanding was predicated on a presumption that I knew parts of the above statement, which I did not
18:38.09Stanzillaalso pandas
18:38.21GnarfozI just said what came to mind when you asked "can you track mobs, like with the minimap"
18:38.32GnarfozI didn't have an internal discussion first about what you might or might not know
18:39.03PrimerWell, I appreciate your answer nonetheless :)
18:39.10GnarfozI hope it helps
18:39.33PrimerSo since that's out...how much do you know about PitBull4?
18:40.01Gnarfozyou, nebula169 and Stanzilla seem to be using it - that's about it :P
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18:43.50PrimerI don't understand why it's not more popular. It's by far the most configurable raid frame addon I've ever tried.
18:44.00PrimerI guess people just don't want to spend 2 hours configuring it
18:44.14Gnarfozbecause maximum customizability is not the most important thing for most people.
18:44.21PrimerThat's the time it took me to redo my config when my SV became corrupted
18:44.27PrimerIt is for me
18:44.33Gnarfozand that's why it's popular with you
18:44.42Gnarfozguess why SUF has a simple config mode
18:44.48Gnarfozbecause most people don't care :D
18:45.06Gnarfozin fact, most people care SO little, they don't even use a unitframe addon (:
18:45.39znf<3 Grid2
18:45.49znfthink it's by far the most used raid frames addon
18:46.02znfoh wait, you were talking user frames in general
18:46.40PrimerI for one want to see people's mana
18:47.01PrimerEvery screen shot of grid I've ever seen doesn't know mana
18:47.18PrimerWhy would you NOT want to know if your healer is OOM but keeping silent about it?
18:47.23Gnarfozgrid2 the most used? get out
18:47.36Gnarfozthat's probably vuhdoo or some other crappy "everything configured out of the box" addon
18:47.54PrimerI hear people talking up "elvui" a lot
18:48.06Gnarfoztypical addon power user illusion - we are a minority :p
18:48.09PrimerI never looked to see if that has a specific unit frame addon
18:48.17GnarfozI think it uses oUF?
18:48.30Gnarfoznot sure. oUF is a framework after all and would be suited to be used like that
18:48.57GnarfozPrimer: Grid has a GridManaBars plugin
18:48.57PrimerWTF...Chromecast on Amazon for $85...
18:49.33PrimerGnarfoz: Yet I've never seen a screen shot with grid and mana bars
18:49.36GnarfozGrid2 - no idea, it probably has it built-in, seeing how it follows a "include everything" approach
18:49.50GnarfozPrimer: I could link you any of mine that show Grid and have a mana user ;-)
18:50.04PrimerMay I see one, please?
18:50.08PrimerI'm curious
18:50.48Fiskerhey Gnarfoz
18:51.05Fiskergrid1 master race
18:51.07znfGnarfoz, Grid is the most used :P
18:51.17znfvuhdoo is mostly used by healers, though?
18:51.51PrimerAnother reason I like PB. My main was a healer for a long time. It told me everything I needed to know
18:52.15Primer"Oh, you other healer...YOU'RE OOM! Here, have some mana...pops Hymn of Hope..."
18:52.42Fiskergrid1
18:52.52Gnarfozand... of course, the number of people using an extra, non-out of the box module for an addon that's also non-standard is... smaller
18:53.15GnarfozPrimer: coming up
18:53.32Stanzillahealers usually tell me when they need mana
18:53.44Stanzillano need to see 10-25 bars going up and down that would only distract me
18:54.16Gnarfoz(and of course, for raids, there's addons like RaidBuffStatus that just show names of people who're below X%)
18:54.17znfyeah, I don't really need to see my guildies mana full time :-/
18:54.37nevcairielif you want most used, personally i think most people either use the raid frames that come with their normal UF
18:54.40Gnarfozznf: do you have actual numbers
18:54.49nevcairiel-either
18:55.00Gnarfozwhat nev said, although it's debatabled if that should be included, since it's not a custom addon
18:55.01PrimerStanzilla: allow me to put that in perspective. I used to lead a 3 hour, once a week, ICC 25 pug.
18:55.18znfGnarfoz, in my previous guild more than half the roster was using grid or grid2
18:55.19PrimerPeople used to line up for it. Most of the time it would fill with regulars
18:55.27Gnarfozznf: wow, 20 people! :D ;-)
18:55.27PrimerBut then other times I had to pug
18:55.40znfGnarfoz, in this one, it's kind of the same
18:55.44Gnarfozanother 20 :(
18:55.52GnarfozI assume Grid is pretty high
18:55.54PrimerSo yes, you in your dedicated 25 man, sure...I would expect a healer to call out for a mana-providing effect
18:56.04nevcairielamong people that go hardmode raiding, the statistics will be vastly different then among the rest of the population
18:56.06Gnarfozalthough not sure if it's "without a doubt #1"
18:56.07znfthough a lot of people are starting to switch to ElvUI alone
18:56.11nevcairieland the rest is a lot more
18:56.16PrimerBut in a 25 man pug I would not.
18:56.39PrimerAnd yes, I would call out bad healers sitting silently at zero mana half way into a boss fight
18:56.43nevcairielalso, people that use ElvUI are just brain dead =p
18:56.51Stanzilladunno, I'd rather use an addon that tells me when certain people are below a threshold
18:57.00Stanzillabecause of the reason I mentioned before
18:58.02nevcairielI have always used raid frames that give me the full information, because i usually not only was a healer, but usually also the healing-leader, so it was kinda my job to keep an eye on them
18:58.10Stanzillabtw nebula169 with the latest talentmacros update, sometimes macros are not created on login
18:58.13Fiskerhey Stanzilla
18:58.23nevcairielthresholds dont help if you need to instruct people around midfight and shit like that
18:58.25Stanzillanevcairiel: that is indeed a valid reason
18:58.28nevcairieljust need more information
18:58.33Stanzillahey Fisker
18:58.41PrimerSo Stanzilla, give me a hand with this addon
18:58.42nevcairieli tried being a simple healer once
18:58.53StanzillaPrimer: which?
18:58.58PrimerI can't figure out why the damn arrow goes away on target frames
18:59.05nevcairielthen the old healing leader left because he was an ass (well he was kicked), and for some reason the job came to me
18:59.12nevcairieli must have an aura of leadership or something
18:59.19nevcairielit happened every freaking time
18:59.20StanzillaPrimer: you'd have to ask breser for that, it's vodoo
18:59.31Fiskerwhat now ?
18:59.44Primerwell, it seems that a PB4 addon must register specific methods
18:59.44Stanzillastop plenking, Fisker
19:00.06Fiskerplenking?
19:00.33nevcairielanyway, ima go watch another ep of leverage
19:03.53Fiskeroh ok nevcairiel
19:04.33GnarfozFisker: using spaces around punctuation, where none belongs
19:05.36Fiskeri thought it was something cool like planking
19:06.56GnarfozPrimer: better late than never http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/mop/gridmanabars.jpg (Jadzia has ~75% mana)
19:07.15Stanzilladat frame/chat overlap, Gnarfoz
19:07.16StanzillaWHY
19:07.28Gnarfozbecause the chat frames suck?
19:07.34Gnarfozif I make it smaller, I lose a row of text
19:07.53Gnarfozand I don't want to move the UF higher just so it doesn't overlap the chat box background
19:07.56Gnarfoz(waste of space)
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19:08.33Gnarfoz(also this UI has been broken ever since 4.0 :D I only patched it up since then. I should re-do it, but then, I should do a lot of things.)
19:08.44GnarfozPROcrastination
19:08.49Stanzillawhy? looks fine apart from that
19:08.59Stanzillabuttons are bit funky but meh
19:09.11znfI cba to fix my ui, either :-(
19:09.13Stanzillaand spacing in general
19:09.34PrimerSo many people make fun of my UI
19:09.36Primerbut it works for me
19:10.31znfPrimer, yours is horrible
19:10.53Primersee?
19:12.39GnarfozStanzilla: spacing *should* be simmetrical for most things, or at least aligned from vertical/horizontal center - what's not "in place"?
19:13.09GnarfozStanzilla: GraphPaper + "type in coords" for addons that allow it (which are not many... suf, bt4...)
19:13.11Fiskeri wonder if anyone made an addon like the gui editors on VS
19:13.13Fiskerthat would be sick
19:13.37GnarfozPrimer: horrible ui, sorry! :D welcome to the club of "it works, meh" ;)
19:14.32GnarfozStanzilla: heh, actionbars look confusing because there's of course full rows of buttons from the top row to the bottom row, just not all spots in use
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19:20.40GnarfozGrid <-> chat frame spacing looks odd because of a) tabs (which I wanted to use, but don't really, since their behaviour sucks) and b) chat input box that's not visible but would be in that space
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19:40.23Repopitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu * r8 Description.txt: Add video demonstating the addon.
19:41.14Repopitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu * r9  (2 files in 1 directory): Fix EOL characters.
19:41.36Repopitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu * r10 PitBull4_Arrow.toc: Fix EOL characters.
19:55.36Repolibdogtag-3-0: 03parnic * r260 Events.lua: LibDogTag-3.0:
19:55.36Repo- Submitted Cybeloras's fix for "script ran too long" errors. (ticket #23)
19:56.18Gnarfozrages
19:56.31Humbedoohrawrs
19:56.55Primereats
19:57.21Megalonreanacts waterloo
19:57.21PrimerThese Trader Joe's curry simmer sauces are awesome
19:57.30GnarfozLei Shen HC is annoying
19:57.36Primerespecially this green curry one
19:57.36Stanzillaindeed
20:01.51Gnarfozwhy am I eating
20:01.58GnarfozSTAAHP
20:02.30GnarfozPrimer: aren't wowace svn repos set to have eol-style:native anyway?
20:05.09PrimerAll I know is the files locally were in DOS format
20:05.31PrimerAnd that's a pet peeve of mine
20:07.22Repopitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu * r11  (2 files in 1 directory):
20:07.22RepoAdd checks to ensure child elements exist before attempting to delete them. Not sure how code is getting here without these child elements though.
20:07.48Repopitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu * r12 PitBull4_Arrow.toc: Sigh...always forgetting to bump the version...
20:08.04Repopitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu 04vv4.0.0-5.3.0.003-alpha * r13 : Tagging as vv4.0.0-5.3.0.003-alpha
20:08.34PrimerAll I need to figure out is how all the PB4 "magic" happens
20:08.51PrimerI'm not using said magic for the onupdate though
20:08.57znfmagic!
20:09.04Primerthat part seems to work well enough
20:09.56GnarfozPrimer: should  be a matter of configuring your svn client the way you like. it creates the files locally, it puts the file endings in
20:10.03Gnarfoz(line endings)
20:10.22Primerwell, the files were imported with DOS EOLs
20:10.31Gnarfozlike I said
20:10.40Gnarfozwell, rather
20:10.44Gnarfozwhat's your svn client set to do?
20:11.04Primerpresumably windows EOLs on windows, despite being run via cygwin
20:11.10GnarfozI don't know if it svn stores some kind of preference, in case the client doesn't have one
20:11.18Gnarfozsvn cli?
20:11.22Primeraye
20:11.36GnarfozI see
20:11.36PrimerI'm currently at work, where I only have Linux
20:11.46Primerbut the initial import was done at home on windows
20:11.50Gnarfozdon't want a GUI client?
20:11.59Gnarfozhm, so your linux svn cli client checked them out
20:12.08Gnarfozand had crlf line endings?
20:12.20Gnarfozthat's... weird
20:12.24Primerno...I use rsync to sync addons between home and work
20:12.29Gnarfozugh :D
20:12.30Gnarfozok
20:12.36Primeryeah, it's complicated :)
20:13.05Primerhrmm, I really should local that one function called onupdate...
20:13.13PrimerOnUpdate, even
20:18.45breserGnarfoz: SVN doesn't touch line endings unless you tell it to.
20:18.54breserGnarfoz: By setting svn:eol-style
20:18.55Gnarfozso what  does that mean for primer?
20:19.05Primerit's no big deal
20:19.11Gnarfozhe should set svn:eol-style on everything?
20:19.12PrimerI already took care of it with dos2unix
20:19.22Primerthere was no svn:eol-style set anyhow
20:19.29breserGnarfoz: Pretty much yes, that's why we have auto-props.
20:19.30Gnarfozof course, but it's a matter of knowing for the future :D
20:19.30PrimerI prefer to not set that
20:19.46Primerbreser: I'm told you know PB4 magic
20:19.59breserThough it's not going to help him much if he moves wc's between windows and *nix systems.
20:20.22breserPrimer: Depends on what the magic you're wondering about is.
20:20.26Primeri.e. invocations of module-defined methods by PB4
20:20.37Primerbreser: I'm still working on that arrow addon
20:20.49PrimerI found that it doesn't work very consistently for target frames
20:21.06bresertarget of target or just target
20:21.09Primerand targettarget and targettargettarget and focus
20:21.17breserThose are wacky frames.
20:21.19Primerand focus target
20:21.39breserWe don't get events for them so we have to poll.
20:21.47PrimerWhat's happening is that I can make the arrow appear when I toggle the "enable" for those frames
20:22.03Primerbut it goes away if I switch targets
20:22.16Primereven if the other target would be eligible for the arrow, i.e. another group member
20:22.16breserThat is odd.
20:22.45breserIs this consistently broken?
20:22.53PrimerYes
20:23.02breserI'll take a look later tonight then.
20:23.30PrimerIs there any sort of documentation for PB4 modules?
20:23.41PrimerI wonder if I just didn't implement something
20:24.02breserhttp://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/pages/api/
20:24.31PrimerAll I implemented was :OnEnable, :ClearFrame (which I've yet to see called), :UpdateFrame
20:24.50Primeroh wow, 2 days ago even
20:24.54breserPrimer: ClearFrame will be called when frames are torn down or if the addon calls it.
20:25.17breserPrimer: I think that date is bogus.
20:26.05Primerawww
20:26.12Primerand here I thought ckknight was still active...
20:26.12breserPrimer: Specifically I think ckknight eded stuff directly through the db sometimes.
20:26.19breserPrimer: edited*
20:26.28breserPrimer: And put weird dates on them.
20:27.07breserPrimer: Singleton frames don't get torn down so you won't see ClearFrame called much if you don't use it.
20:27.29breserPrimer: Group frames get torn down an a timer if they haven't been in use for a while.
20:29.03breserPrimer: There's the possibility here that UpdateFrame is being called before the API's are returning the correct value of the new target.
20:29.42breserPrimer: WoW's event system sometimes delivers events before the APIs that query the related things show the change.
20:29.47Fiskerhey Stanzilla
20:29.50PrimerLovely
20:29.56Stanzillahey Fisker
20:30.04Fiskerwill we get cross-region real id chat with the launcher?
20:30.15Stanzillanope
20:30.21Primerbreser: I can tell you that the addon seems to work perfectly for group frames.
20:30.24Fiskerfuck blizzard
20:30.25Fiskerwhy not?
20:30.27breserPrimer: If that's the case sometimes you have to add a flag in the event and then process in OnUpdate.
20:30.29Fiskerwhat if i have us account?
20:30.46breserPrimer: However, we should be dealing with those cases for you.
20:30.49Fisker(then i can login as americas)
20:31.06StanzillaFisker: well atm no chat is implemented (or exposed to users) at all so maaaaybe it will happen when you have both us and eu accounts active
20:31.12Stanzillabut you have a dropdown at every game
20:31.14Stanzillafor the accounts
20:31.22Stanzillaso I guess it will use the one selected there
20:31.35Primerbreser: Right. In all the other modules I've looked at it seems that PB4 handles all that type of stuff.
20:32.05PrimerI also probably didn't pick the best PB4 module as an example for this. I picked ShadowOrbs.
20:32.15breserAt least we try to hdie some of the gory details of different frames from the modules.
20:33.11PrimerIn case you want to look at the code without downloading the entire addon, I have an svnweb for it: http://ceregatti.org/svnweb/index.cgi/pitbull4_arrow/view/trunk/Arrow.lua
20:33.32breserI'll just check itout.
20:33.40Gnarfozany hunter with lei shen hc experience? does disengage really just not do anything?
20:34.02StanzillaGnarfoz: for what?
20:34.04Stanzillaor in general?
20:34.07Gnarfozah sorry
20:34.10Gnarfozagainst helm of command
20:34.24Gnarfozour hunter says he's just being pushed away, even while in the air from disengage
20:35.02PrimerI was thinking of moving the arrow code and the config options out of this file so that it only contains the module:methods(), for simplicity
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20:35.33StanzillaGnarfoz: he's right though
20:35.52Stanzillayou fly like 1m with the glyph
20:36.26znf3 yards*
20:36.32Gnarfozthat'd be 1y
20:37.25GnarfozStanzilla: yeah, I'm not saying he's lying, just saying he might be a moron :D
20:37.30Gnarfozyou never know ;)
20:37.34Stanzillaindeed!
20:37.48Gnarfozznf: 1 y = 1 m, was what I was trying to say, btw
20:37.53Gnarfozat least in WoW, lulz
20:38.02znfGnarfoz, figured
20:38.16GnarfozBlizzard measurement system
20:38.22Stanzillahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQxmE2QuWYM
20:38.23Gnarfozstill better than US
20:38.24Repopitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu * r14  (3 files in 1 directory): Fix non-local function.
20:38.25Stanzillachill out music
20:38.35Repopitbull4_arrow: 03barfolomeu 04vv4.0.0-5.3.0.004-alpha * r15 : Tagging as vv4.0.0-5.3.0.004-alpha
20:38.36GnarfozI'd rather have this boss chilling himself out... to death
20:38.59Gnarfozbarely surviving intermission #1 so far
20:39.18Stanzillagood luck then
20:39.21Gnarfozanyway, out of time, I hope we can reproduce the 11/13 kill next ID
20:39.28Gnarfozs/kill/clear/
20:39.34Stanzillado you have a warrior and/or shaman?
20:39.41Stanzillaor rogue?
20:40.12Gnarfozwarrior tank/crappy DD; shaman heal (or ele, enh, but that's rather situational); rogue.
20:40.17Gnarfozi.e. particularily all 3
20:40.33Stanzillayou can mass spell reflect chain lightning
20:40.45Stanzillaand you can smokebomb the swirly thingy casts
20:41.00Stanzillaand something with grounding totem, too
20:41.37Gnarfozok, he's not in range for diffusion chain, he's tanking the boss
20:41.51Gnarfozsmoke bomb against bouncing bolts? how does that work?
20:41.58Stanzillasmoke on the boss
20:42.09Gnarfozinteresting
20:42.14Stanzillabut that's not for intermission I guess
20:44.00znfwait, that works in normal mode, too?
20:45.49Stanzillayes
20:47.43Gnarfozok, we're doing bouncing bolts last, so that either doesn't get cast, or it is cast from the previous corner's timer -- while we're moving him
20:47.46Gnarfozsad
20:47.48Gnarfoz:D
20:47.55Fiskerthis is fun
20:47.56Gnarfozsounds like a nice use for sb
20:48.03Fiskermain tank fails 2x bouncing bolts on intermission
20:48.13Gnarfozheh
20:48.25Fiskerstill has the balls to complain over bouncing bolts immediately thereafter (even though we actually got them)
20:48.26Gnarfozsomeone suggested putting a tank alone in one quarter...
20:48.36Gnarfozthat didn't work out well
21:00.23GnarfozStanzilla: if you find out about grounding totem (what you can block with it), let me know
21:00.41Stanzillawill do
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21:11.20Gnarfozblergh
21:11.35Gnarfozwhat's the for x in {list} do y syntax in lua again
21:11.37GnarfozI forget
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21:21.13Gnarfozcould wowhead stop being dicks and STOP LOADING NEW ADS
21:21.15Gnarfozfuckers
21:25.14TorhalGnarfoz: Depends on the type of table; dictionary or array.
21:26.43GnarfozI used quests={123,123,123,123} for id = 1, #quests do somethingwith(quests[id]) end
21:26.51Gnarfoz(that's... dictionary?)
21:26.57TorhalArray.
21:27.00Gnarfozblergh
21:27.10TorhalBut that's proper syntax.
21:28.37Gnarfozhmmm, now I'm curious: is this "array" is really just a dictionary that defaults the value of the keys to true and does some metatable magic to access the name of the key instead of the value? or... something?
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21:29.24Gnarfoz(seeing that arrays don't really exist as a datatype in Lua (which might even be wrong - IIRC there's just lists, though?))
21:35.10TorhalGnarfoz: Tables have two sections internally.
21:36.43Gnarfozso internally every table is a dictionary?
21:38.46TorhalIt's a bit deeper than that, but without reference I couldn't give exacts.
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