IRC log for #wowace on 20130601

00:10.14MysticalOSTorhal, the big question is this. mac support?
00:10.41TorhalSupposedly after launch, but I don't know about the AddOn tool - it's a separate program.
00:11.06MysticalOSeww, after launch for an MMO?
00:11.19TorhalLast I heard - may have changed since February.
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00:14.07XuerianGW2 did mac after launch
00:14.21XuerianNot arguing merits, but it did well
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00:27.58Repoora3: 03nebula169 * r643 oRA3.lua: scale down the tabs a touch
00:29.33Repoora3: 03nebula169 * r644 modules/Gear.lua: Gear: fix slash command
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00:47.31Repoora3: 03nebula169 * r645  (7 files in 2 directories): switch inTable's declaration to dot syntax
01:02.37Repoora3: 03nebula169 * r646 modules/Cooldowns.lua: Cooldowns: stop bars for people that leave the group
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01:58.41nebula169heh, found this cleaning up my pictures http://nebularg.com/wow/2a7apw8.gif
02:11.34pompynebula169: says the image contains errors
02:12.26nebula169weird, plays fine for me
02:13.04sbworks fine
02:28.40quiescenso.o
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03:14.21Repoascendancetimer: 03oscarucb * r7 core.lua: add LvB misses to the tier calculation
03:14.23Repoadd feature to override CD display on default ActionButtons
03:15.14Repoascendancetimer: 03oscarucb 041.1 * r8 : Tagging as 1.1
03:30.25Repoascendancetimer: 03oscarucb * r9 core.lua: tweak the actionbutton update
03:30.41Repoascendancetimer: 03oscarucb 041.1.1 * r10 : Tagging as 1.1.1
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06:23.42Torhal@ping
06:23.43RepoTorhal: Pong.
06:34.08quiescenspats repo
06:34.56Torhal@curse quiescens
06:34.57RepoTorhal: Project "quiescens" was not found.
06:35.13quiescens):
06:36.40Stanzillamorning
06:39.37quiescenso/
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06:59.48Repoauracle: 03stanzilla * r139 Auracle.lua: let's error less here
07:00.52Repoauracle: 03stanzilla * r140 Auracle.lua: also just enable ALL THE THINGS to be safe
07:01.11Stanzillanot very proud of that code
07:07.23Stanzillabah, there is no masque skinner for combuctor (
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07:08.25Stanzillaoh nvm http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21988-Combuctor_Masque.html
07:15.00Torhal!project auracle
07:15.03Torhal@project auracle
07:15.03RepoTorhal: [WoW] Auracle (De)Buff Monitor (Updated Jun 01, 2013 at 7:02 UTC) - https://www.wowace.com/addons/auracle/
07:15.25TorhalThere Stanzilla goes again. Updating dead shit.
07:15.26Torhal:D
07:16.28StanzillaTorhal: not dead, works 100% fine
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07:21.21Stanzillamy hate for jaliborc just grew over 9000
07:23.15TorhalStanzilla: ?
07:23.45Stanzillalack of options in combuctor
07:23.49Stanzillaticket was opened by himself
07:23.51Stanzilla2 years ago
07:24.26TorhalHAWT
07:24.40Stanzillaidd
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07:40.39Repogathermate2: 03Phanx 07master * 1.26-1-g6bbfe2e Config.lua: [+1 commit] Improved Broker plugin. Right-click for options, click to toggle minimap icons, shift-click to toggle minimap icons.
07:43.36StanzillaCaleb|: help :( that still errors
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07:51.54Repoauracle: 03stanzilla * r141 Auracle.lua: better. maybe?
07:52.43Stanzillaofc not
07:52.44Stanzillafml
07:53.44Stanzillahow hard can it be to disable that fucking addon on a event and then renable it on another
07:55.20Stanzillacheer me up, Torhal
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09:16.03quiescenswhat did you break this time stan?
09:20.32znfEverything.
09:21.50Stanzillaquiescens: nothing; I just need a way to disable the addon without actually disabling it so the event handler stays and enables it later again
09:23.08quiescensyou can do it~!
09:23.24quiescensi has faith in you
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09:30.44Fiskeri hate oracle
09:30.54Fiskeri need to install some oracle stuff without an installer
09:31.15Fiskerand i need to modify system enviroment variables too
09:31.28Fiskerwhich was easy
09:31.34Fiskernow i just need to properly be able to remove it again
09:33.44Fiskeroracle are always a bunch of dicks
09:33.49Fiskertheir java installer is shit too
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09:36.47Reporeforgelite: 03iroared * r96  (5 files in 1 directory): 1.28
09:37.04Reporeforgelite: 03iroared 04v1.28 * r97 : Tagging as v1.28
09:40.50Stanzillaholy shit
09:40.53Stanzillawhat did he do there
09:42.32Fiskerhey Stanzilla
09:42.34Fiskerwanna haswell?
09:42.43Stanzillanope
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09:55.13nevcairielits funny how you can apparently already order haswell from some shops, but no mainboards yet
09:55.20nevcairielwonder who would do that
09:57.24FiskerI would nevcairiel
10:00.41StanzillaAdys: https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/PYTHON-532 that could have been Fisker
10:02.43winkit's too much to the point, not enough random rambling
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10:15.51Megalonand it actually has a valid bug
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10:21.36Reporeforgelite: 03stanzilla * r98 Scaling.lua: remove breaking brace
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10:48.01winkdidn't someone say they forgot "load out of date addons"? I had it now
10:48.42winkor are we at 5.3.1 already?
10:49.47sbmorning
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11:12.28Stanzillawink: a mini patch finally reset it, not .1 though
11:13.42winkaah
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11:36.29sbnevcairiel: will buy from amazon anyways this time - realized they removed the limit from their "partnernet" thingy :D
11:42.08sbnevcairiel: delux or pro mainboard? :o
11:43.06nevcairielprobably pro
11:43.08nevcairielneed specs
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11:48.25Stanzillasimple m4a to mp3 converter? (not itunes)
11:48.29Stanzillaoh an free
11:48.30Stanzilla*d
11:59.20Megalonstop rapemurderpiratekilling music, stan
12:04.32sbnevcairiel: http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/mainboards/26281-ueberblick-die-z87-mainboards-von-asus.html
12:06.11nevcairielthese overviews lack the specific details i need to know
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12:15.54Repognomeworks: 03wildcard_25 * r229 RecipeData.lua:
12:15.54RepoMake sure GetRecipeDifficulty always returns a value (drycode).
12:27.42Fiskerhey Stanzilla
12:27.53Fiskerold sb
12:29.53Stanzillahey Fisker
12:30.37Fiskerhey
12:30.42Fiskerwhat to do?
12:33.00Stanzillauploading music to google
12:33.12quiescensdon't do it~
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12:33.54Fiskerwhy do you have m4a music?
12:34.02Fiskerare you a bad person?
12:34.12Stanzillayes
12:34.26Fiskerknew it
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13:39.12sbeu logins dead?
13:39.14sbeu servers dead?
13:39.19quiescenspanic~!
13:39.26quiescensruns around in circles
13:39.37sbshots quiescens
13:39.50quiescensdieds.
13:39.55Funkeh``sb, a few sservers just crashed
13:40.23quiescensi couldn't work out what tense that was so i split the difference
13:41.48sb~wowalert
13:41.49purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert]
13:42.32Funkeh``and again
13:42.44quiescensfunkeh did it
13:43.30sbyup...
13:44.21sbworld server is down \o/
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13:47.07sbthank you Stanzilla
13:47.15Stanzillafor what
13:47.20sbcrashing servers!
13:47.27Stanzillanp
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14:00.01StanzillaGG WP BLIZZARD
14:00.04Stanzillahorridon trash is back
14:00.31sbcool
14:00.34quiescens\o/
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14:16.33winkwoo, 90
14:16.40sbgrats :P
14:16.45winkanother useless priest who can't play \o/
14:16.48winkthanks.
14:16.50winkso boring
14:18.09Fiskerare you mad Stanzilla ?
14:19.52Stanzillanope
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14:23.44Fiskergood
14:23.47Fiskeryou didn't seem mad
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14:37.45Funkeh``wow reforgelite
14:37.53Funkeh``I was all exite to update to version 1.28
14:37.57Funkeh``for all the new changes and shit
14:38.08Stanzillalook at the diff
14:38.11Stanzillaso funny :D
14:38.12Funkeh``you know what I'm saying Stanzilla
14:38.16Funkeh``error at login
14:38.25Stanzillathat I fixed
14:38.32Funkeh``ReforgeLite\Scaling.lua:3386: unexpected symbol near ')'
14:38.36Funkeh``I mean, do you even test
14:38.52Stanzillafixed in the alpha
14:39.02Stanzillathe funny thing is how he replaced tooltip scanning though
14:39.12Stanzillaconfused the shit out of me
14:39.48Funkeh``it doesn't look like he's packing alphas
14:39.55Funkeh``but the current release is fucked
14:40.35Funkeh``so he's using the method I'm using in ora now?
14:41.05StanzillaI don't know what you use
14:41.14Stanzillabut its a ton of values from the dbcs or so
14:41.23Stanzillajust skimmed over it
14:46.24Funkeh``wow
14:46.28Funkeh``just what I wanted Stanzilla
14:46.36Funkeh``a giant ass table full of values
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14:47.37Stanzillayes :D
14:49.58StanzillaFunkeh``: do you wanna help me out with my auracle problem maybe?
14:50.06StanzillaI'm too dumb to figure it out
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14:50.52Funkeh``sounds like a trap
14:51.14Stanzillait's not that hard, I'm just trying to disable the mod on a event and reenable on another
14:51.26Stanzillaand I don't understand enoug of it to do that properly
14:51.45Stanzillamy guess is when I really disable it, the event handles goes away too
14:52.37Funkeh``if you're calling :Disable on an event then every event will be unregistered if you're using aceevent
14:52.46Funkeh``you'd need to register an event after that to enable it
14:54.30Stanzillahrm
14:55.32Stanzillathat's what I thought, now I just need to know which frame to use etc
14:56.24znf<PROTECTED>
14:56.31znfI wonder where I could get a 3rd identical monitor from
14:57.01StanzillaFunkeh``: can I just self:RegisterEvent in there?
14:57.24Funkeh``probably
14:57.29Stanzillahttp://paste2.org/Le5PcX4N
14:57.33Stanzillathat's the 2 functions
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14:58.15Funkeh``probably
14:58.19Stanzillaok
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15:06.28Fiskerhey Funkeh``
15:06.34Fiskeris this some meme i'm unaware of?
15:06.46FiskerOr will you please stop spelling excited wrong? It upsets me :(
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15:52.47Stanzillanevcairiel Fisker haswell nda just lifted
15:52.52Fiskerold?
15:53.15Stanzillayers
15:53.17Stanzilla1h ago
15:53.19Stanzillasrorry
15:54.07nevcairielthe new iris pro gpu seems to do really well
15:55.26nevcairiel(for a iGPU)
15:56.22Fiskerno z87 here yet :(
15:57.12nevcairielfunny how the new iGPU beats AMDs APUs, that will kill AMDs cpu market completely now
15:58.53nevcairielbut yeah, give z87 board roundup and tech details
15:59.38sbAPU?
15:59.53Fiskersome fancy new term
16:00.09nevcairielaccelerated processing unit or something
16:00.09Fiskerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_processing_unit
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16:00.18nevcairielits how AMD calls their new CPU+GPU thingys
16:00.21wodimyes hello
16:00.24wodimwodim here
16:00.44wodimthere is something i am wondering and i think you can help me
16:00.49Stanzillagtfo wodim
16:00.53Stanzillayou french weirdo
16:00.56wodimfuck you french
16:01.00Stanzilla!
16:01.00wodimk now shut up
16:01.10wodimis it possible to read the output of SendAddonMessage ?
16:01.22wodimi mean, everything that is being sent in my guild or something like that
16:01.36nevcairielyou need to know the prefix of stuff i think
16:01.49nevcairielwonder if you can tell it to receive all messages
16:01.51wodimdifferent addons use different prefixes i suppose
16:02.04wodimbut is there an addon for that already? google brings me nothing
16:02.05nebula169don't register a prefix and it'll still trap everything
16:02.19nebula169atleast it did in the recent past >.>
16:02.29wodimnice
16:02.32wodimhow do i do so?
16:03.01wodimi supposed there would be a way to do so without having to install any aditional addons
16:03.48nebula169can try /run local f = CreateFrame("Frame") f:SetScript("OnEvent", print) f:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_ADDON")
16:04.03Stanzillanevcairiel: http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2013/intel-haswell-prozessor-fuer-desktop-pcs-im-test/20/
16:04.14wodimno output (by now)
16:04.23wodimah yes, i see output
16:04.27wodimnice, thanks
16:04.30Stanzillais it french?
16:04.49wodimnot hopefully
16:04.56Stanzilladidn't know you play wow btw :p
16:05.09wodimi do
16:05.11nevcairielStanzilla: y u link that
16:06.05Stanzillanevcairiel: I was about to mention something from that, then I was distracted by raid and forgot :<
16:06.48nevcairielthat page has a few flaws in it anyway
16:07.01Stanzillalike?
16:07.12StanzillaI think I wanted to say that the upgrade is probably not worth it for me
16:07.13Stanzillafrom Ivy
16:07.16nevcairielthey say they increased the TDP because its less efficient
16:07.22nevcairielbut thats not hte reason
16:07.36nevcairielthe TDP was increased because the voltage regulators are now on the CPU, and those produce heat
16:07.48FiskerIt's technically not worth it if you're running 1st i7 oc'ed :P
16:08.02Fiskeri think i'll upgrade from SB though
16:08.09nevcairieli dont think, i will
16:08.13wodimhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1FR5H8tu2PU/UaocaakdwhI/AAAAAAAAWag/eAY4VadB8yg/s0/image_01062013_180806.png
16:08.15nevcairielbut also for othe reasons
16:08.17wodimwonder what these people mean
16:08.54nevcairieli kinda "need" the new GPU for developing some improvements, and the new CPU features like AVX2 will also be nice to develop stuff for
16:08.57Fiskerthey mean carbonite spam
16:09.07wodimCrb
16:09.08wodimright
16:09.09nevcairieli got a 1200 CHF donation last week, that'll buy me new hardware :p
16:09.14FiskerCHF?
16:09.29nevcairielswiss money
16:09.31Fiskeroh
16:09.49nevcairiel~950 €
16:10.12Fiskerlots of room for a 4770k and a new board
16:10.14Fiskerdo it
16:10.15FiskerDO IT
16:10.18nevcairieli will!
16:10.23nevcairielalso, new ram and new cooler
16:10.24Fiskerbtw nevcairiel
16:10.25FiskerBTW
16:10.36Fiskeryou're receiving foreign money while working with nuclear reactors
16:10.40Fiskeri see whats going on here
16:10.57nevcairielall german nuclear reactors of my employer are shutdown
16:11.17Stanzillanevcairiel: for LAV?
16:11.19Fiskeryeah exactly
16:11.44Stanzillaalso wtf
16:11.47nevcairielStanzilla: of course
16:11.48Stanzillasuch a high donation?
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16:12.02nevcairieli got a couple of 500€ ones before, but this was indeed the highest
16:12.10nevcairielsome company donated that use LAV,
16:12.21Fiskerhttp://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/zardon/asus-z87-sabertooth-motherboard-review-w-intel-i7-4770k/
16:12.21Stanzillaoh right
16:12.23nevcairielthats not much money for a company, so all to me!
16:12.25Fiskernot that i would ever want that
16:12.25StanzillaI was thinking wow addons only
16:12.28Fiskerbut that's one review
16:12.32Stanzillatotally forgot that you probably get stuff for lav, too
16:12.55nevcairielsabertooth is weird
16:13.05nevcairielasus should just post specs on their models
16:13.06StanzillaI love my sabertooth
16:13.12Fiskermaybe they have
16:13.25nevcairieli would always be worried that this tiny fan would start making noises
16:13.32nevcairielthe one that pumps air into the armor
16:13.51Stanzilladoes not for me
16:14.14Fiskerhttp://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_Z87/
16:14.15Fiskerhaha
16:14.23nevcairielyou forged url?
16:14.32nevcairielnavigation didnt have it yet
16:14.47Fiskeryeah
16:14.50Fiskerhttp://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_VI_EXTREME/
16:15.33FiskerIntel® I217V
16:15.38Fiskeri wonder if that controller is awesome
16:15.42Fiskernever heard of a number that low!
16:16.40nevcairiela new controller from feb '13 apparently
16:17.15Fiskerneed the list over boards
16:17.17nevcairielwith vPro functionality
16:17.20Fiskerso i can see if i want thw ws one
16:17.31Fiskerno mention of vpro on the maximus page
16:17.54nevcairielwell i suppose the the NIC may support it optionally only
16:17.58Fiskeryeah
16:18.16Fiskeronly one port though
16:18.18Fiskersadface
16:18.22Fiskernot that i use the second
16:18.33winkLAV=?
16:18.40nevcairielone is fine, two is a neat edition, but i would probably use it only one day a year or something
16:18.45nevcairieladdition*
16:18.47Fiskerwill check if i can trick the navigation
16:19.04nevcairieli tried to forge the normal P8Z87 boards, but didnt find a url
16:19.47nevcairieloh some are showing up
16:19.52nevcairielH87-PRO
16:20.51Fiskerprobably coming up as we speak
16:21.11nevcairielthere is the Z87-WS
16:21.25Fiskerhttp://www.asus.com/supportonly/Z87WS/
16:21.47nevcairielhttp://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z87PRO/
16:22.16nevcairielnice, the PRO has PS/2 :P
16:22.28Stanzillawink: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191
16:22.49winkah thanks
16:22.57Fiskermost of them do i think nevcairiel
16:23.07Fiskereven though it sucks
16:23.10winkwould've been a little surprised for wow addons :P
16:23.28winknice job, all I ever got was one CD from my amazon wishlist
16:23.29nevcairielFisker: deluxe doesnt
16:23.34winkfor 10 years of open source \o/
16:23.52Fiskerbecause it's aimed at not retards
16:23.53Fisker:P
16:23.57nevcairieli also need at least 2 HDMI/DVI connectors, my silly screens have no display port
16:24.04nevcairielPS/2 > USB for keyboards
16:24.08Fiskerterrible
16:24.15Fiskermine has like a billion ports
16:24.22Fisker2 dvi, hdmi and dp i think
16:24.30nevcairielmaybe i'm lying
16:24.32nevcairiellet me check
16:24.42sbPS/2 > USB? why?
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16:24.47nevcairielapparently they do have DP
16:24.49nevcairielmy board just didnt
16:24.51Funkeh``sb, because it can be keylogged! xD
16:24.57sb:|
16:25.05nevcairielsb: only PS/2 supports infinite rollover
16:25.44sb"Full N-Key roll over via USB"
16:25.46Stanzillawink: what do you dev
16:26.00sbfrom  the description of my keyboard
16:26.15nevcairielsb: its probably hoping you dont hit the limit :p
16:26.21sb:D
16:26.30winkStanzilla: everything, that's probably one of the causes. I'm jumping between projects all the time and never started a successful one on my own
16:26.30nevcairieladmittedly its like at 9 keys
16:26.37Fiskerno
16:26.38Fisker6
16:26.41nevcairiel6?
16:26.42nevcairieloh well
16:26.43Fiskeryes
16:27.01FiskerAnd i'm pretty sure it's been fixed in most serious gaming keyboards either way
16:27.13nevcairielhow do you fix a usb limitation?
16:27.16Fiskerhas something to do with how the usb packets are constructed
16:28.03nevcairielew the deluxe has two NICs, but one is realtek <.<
16:28.45Stanzillawink: lke what?
16:28.51Fiskersucks nevcairiel :(
16:28.56Fiskeri think the WS one uses 2xintel
16:29.11nevcairielit does
16:30.14winkStanzilla: you'll probably don't know most besides PHP
16:31.28Fiskeri hope i can get it to boot fast though nevcairiel
16:31.33Fiskermy surface pro is fucking insane
16:31.37Fiskerboots in 3-5 seconds
16:31.54nevcairielit says it supports intel rapid start
16:31.55wodimhey a question about the game, what happened to the boats that departed from theramore island now that it's destroyed
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16:32.03Fiskeryeah
16:32.08Fiskerall z77 and above boards do
16:32.15Fiskermine is p68 sadly though :(
16:32.19Fiskereven z68 might support it
16:32.22Fiskerp67*
16:32.24nevcairielz68 doesnt
16:32.26nevcairieli have one
16:32.33Fiskerthat sucks
16:32.47winkwtf is this rapid start?
16:32.48FiskerI tried doing it on mine
16:32.58Fiskerthen i learned it didn't support it
16:33.08winkhttp://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8Z77M/#specifications seems to support it
16:33.08nevcairielwink: it "remembers" the bios init and skips directly to the OS init, more or less
16:33.14Fiskerbasically it allows skipping legacy bios oproms for fast booting wink
16:33.39winknevcairiel: ah. well. it is quick but I hadn't noticed RIDICULOUS BOOT TIME
16:33.40Fiskerlets wikipedia it
16:33.58nevcairielit only works really great with windows 8
16:34.02nevcairielneeds some OS help
16:34.02winkmeh
16:34.12Fiskerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1VrW_d3E-Y
16:34.12Fiskerbtw
16:34.47nevcairielthat sure was a fast boot
16:35.05winkthat sure was a cheesy video
16:35.40Fiskersure was
16:35.55winkgod the direct button
16:36.04Fiskeralso it doesn't work if you have a graphics card installed with a legacy bios oprom installed
16:36.12Fiskerwhich is why i flashed an uefi bios on mine
16:36.24Fiskerand almost bricked my 680 in the process :P
16:36.30winklol
16:36.43winkI'm actually eager to try out win8
16:36.54winkbut no way in hell I'd waste this working win7 install
16:37.05Fiskeri hope oracle dies soon
16:38.10winkas much as I hate to disappoint you... won't happen
16:38.28Fiskeryeah
16:38.43FiskerIf only it was possible to use another DB
16:38.57winkfor what?
16:39.04Fiskerjust some software at work
16:39.06Fiskerwell it is possible
16:39.09winkI still haven't seen a worthwhile use :P
16:39.12Fisker:P
16:39.19winkit's all just company policy
16:39.48winknot saying no one needs it, but I've never seen it
16:39.54FiskerIf we could run this software on a mssql i would be sooo happy
16:40.04Fiskeror just anything else really
16:40.12winkreturn of the flatfile
16:40.21winkstill a better consistency story than mongodb!
16:41.07winkstill, not sure if I'm happy or sad that the days of obsessing over hardware are over for me
16:41.21winkI had to look up my mainboard in a blog post
16:41.31winkI'd never remembered it
16:42.15nevcairielhm, obviously the WS has a PCIe switch, i wonder, does it harm performance if that thing is present but you dont use it? :d
16:43.59nevcairielalso, two 8-pin power connectors on the board? i wonder if i even have a second cable :P
16:45.27Fiskerneed a new psu either way :D
16:45.50nevcairielmine would still be good, i suppose
16:47.31Fiskeryeah
16:47.38Fiskerbut doesn't support the new c-states probably
16:48.22nevcairielmine does
16:48.28nevcairielmanufacturer certified it
16:48.46nevcairielgot a seasonic x-series
16:49.02Fiskeroh ok
16:49.13Fiskerseasonic is shit
16:49.20Fiskeri prefer corsair branded seasonic psus
16:50.32nevcairieland i actually found a second 8-port cpu dealy in my cable bag
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16:51.39nevcairielmaybe i'll go WS as well, it doesnt have these nonsense features like WiFi
16:52.24Fiskeryou could put something else there instead
16:53.30nevcairiel?
16:53.38Fiskerssd
16:53.40Fiskertv tuner
16:53.43Fiskersata
16:53.43Fiskeridk
16:53.58nevcairielinstead of the silly wifi? :p
16:54.48Fiskeryes
16:55.08nevcairielhow do you rip out the integrated wifi? :p
16:55.25quiescenswith a hammer
16:56.14Arrowmasteris it part an expansion card
16:56.23nevcairielnah, its part of the IO shield
16:56.31nevcairielcable connectors for an antenna
16:57.06Arrowmasterthats not a haswell board is it?
16:58.04nebula169nevcairiel: you can remove it
16:58.45Fiskerthe maximus one can be removed as far as i know atleast
16:58.55nevcairieli was talking about the pro
16:59.41nebula169i assume any board with the wifi go stuff can be removed, its just an addon card thats screwed in there
17:00.49Fiskeri thought they wouldn't have bothered to solder it on the boards at all nevcairiel
17:01.22nevcairielits directly part of the main IO shield, would be odd if you can mess with that part
17:09.13Fiskera
17:17.36sbnevcairiel: WS?
17:20.50nevcairielWS looks like it might serve me best, just needs pricing
17:21.07sbwhats WS? :P
17:21.11sbboard type?
17:21.21nevcairielhttp://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z87WS/
17:21.24sbah, i see
17:21.28sbworkstation
17:24.04sbmhh, asus or gigabyte (uefi looks better there)
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17:38.40Fiskersource sb
17:38.48nevcairielwhy would you care how your bios looks
17:39.10sbFisker: paper stuff next to me :D
17:39.12nevcairieli actually kinda liked the old blue award bios
17:39.12Fiskerwhy do you care how your mom looks?
17:39.34nevcairielit gave me more of a bios'y feeling
17:44.01quiescensthe yellow on blue?
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18:18.53Stanzillajust played resto druid first time in my life
18:18.56Stanzillapretty fun
18:19.17nevcairielit is
18:19.43Stanzillawell actually I lied
18:19.48Stanzillait's the first time since wotlk
18:20.01StanzillaI played it a few times there on a friend's account in her raid
18:20.59nevcairielalthough healing charts can get annoying if you have a bunch of direct-healing-snipers in your raid that always make your hots go nowhere
18:21.33nevcairielbut once there is more damage than they can steal away from your hots, it gets good .p
18:21.43Megalonhots walk around now? damn
18:27.51sbhaha Stanzilla, you said "friend" and "her"
18:27.55sbwhats wrong?
18:29.09nevcairielback in classic i played a priest in a few friends on a girls account, is that so special? :p and yes, she also was just a friend :p
18:29.21nevcairielin a few raids*
18:29.59nevcairielmore precise, she was the girl friend of a friend, so no touching anyway!
18:31.18winkmy first raid as resto was progression on Archimonde
18:31.30winkoddly enough we killed him
18:31.47sbmhh archimonde cloak :D
18:31.51winktalk about overpowered ZA gear :D
18:31.55sb"click, CLICK!1111 ... too late"
18:32.08nevcairieli played resto since day 1 classic, never switched main, never any serious alt raiding
18:32.09winkfun times
18:32.37winknevcairiel: lucky you, I have to swap between combat and assa nearly every expansion! :D
18:32.53nevcairielwell you still play dps rogue all the time
18:32.56winkyea
18:33.08winkthat was sarcasm as well
18:33.13znfpure dps classes don't get to complain
18:33.22Stanzillasb: :(
18:33.25winkbut I had to bring alts in various progression raids
18:33.26sbplayed priest healer for 5 years then shadow (until now)
18:33.31winkas we've been never "really good"
18:33.33sb(err, and still playing :D)
18:33.35winkso my alts suffice :D
18:33.58winkresto shammy on professor as well
18:34.03nevcairielsb: that was because in classic priests had to heal or stay outside :P
18:34.10winkthink I even tanked Karazhan and Grull
18:34.14nevcairiellike pallys and druids too
18:34.18winks,ul,uu,
18:34.19Stanzillanevcairiel: our main druid is the biggest QQ machine, he is almost znf level
18:34.24nevcairielthat bad eh
18:34.26sbnevcairiel: yes, in classic i had shadow spec and healed "nevermind, its okay here" (mc and stuff)
18:34.29Stanzillabiggest resto druid problems are absorbs and monk healers
18:34.35Stanzillabecause their hots tick faster
18:34.36Stanzillaor so
18:34.53nevcairieloh yeah i hated playing with 2 or more disc healers
18:34.55winkbiggest resto druid problem is that I can't kill them
18:35.10nevcairielscrew them and not letting damage hit!
18:35.23nevcairieli should play a lfr of the new raids one of these days
18:35.39nevcairielor maybe of the old raids first to get more gear :P
18:36.14Stanzillahealing druid is OMG SO MANNY BUTTONZ now, nevcairiel
18:36.21Stanzillaeven have to use those mini treants
18:36.34nevcairielthey havent really changed resto druids for a long time
18:36.59Stanzillain my brain I just mapped everything to my priest spells
18:37.57nevcairielits not all the terribly different
18:38.11nevcairielyou have your fast/cheap, fast/expensive, slow/heavy heals
18:38.20nevcairieland a bunch more dots i suppose
18:38.26nevcairielhots*
18:38.42nevcairielman i really cant type for shit today
18:39.23Repoauracle: 03stanzilla * r142 Auracle.lua: holy crap, it works :o
18:39.30Stanzillacommon problem :D
18:41.02sbStanzilla: qq machine znf level? :D
18:41.08Stanzillayes
18:41.09sbi like that %-)
18:41.10StanzillaALMOST
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18:41.26Stanzillabtw this could have been me https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/967059_10151474296711840_998747470_o.jpg
18:41.37Stanzillaif I had a gf, I'd do that
18:41.49sbthats why you dont have a gf
18:42.04nevcairielthats kinda funny
18:42.07Stanzillagf that can't take that of fun
18:42.09Stanzillaare not worth it
18:42.13Stanzilla*that kind
18:42.36sbStanzilla: depends on history and maybe issues with (dis)honesty and stuff *shrug*
18:42.47sbbut yes, its funny :D
18:42.52Stanzillatrue
18:43.41winklol
18:44.20winkwhen someone uses a line of "I haven't been fully honest" it usually resolves to "yes, I did eat all the cookies"
18:45.01nevcairielshe does overreact on the first line already, methinks
18:45.13nevcairielor there is history of that kind
18:45.18Stanzillajust shwos that they have history on that
18:45.21Stanzilladamn u
18:45.25winkyeah, sonded really weird
18:45.30nevcairiel(maybe not between them, maybe between her and some previous guy)
18:45.41Stanzillagerman pro typing crew today haha
18:45.45nevcairielyou know, issues go deep in the women
18:45.51Stanzillalike penis
18:45.56Stanzilla</fisker>
18:45.58nevcairielnot yours though
18:46.07Stanzillahaha
18:46.30Stanzillalast time I had sex was 1.5 years ago
18:46.31Stanzillasad :(
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18:47.04winkStanzilla: both your hands broken or what?
18:47.16Stanzillahaha
18:47.49winkman I'd love to be in the WildStar beta right now
18:48.17StanzillaI really wanted to take a look at that because I heard so many good things about it
18:48.31Stanzillalike being clever and not trying to use a realistic look
18:48.49Stanzilla*them
18:48.58nevcairielthose always fail
18:48.59winkjust because of their devspeak videos I'd buy it and give it a chance
18:49.02nevcairielone thing i like about wow
18:49.07nevcairielthey just didnt try, and its good
18:49.08Stanzillayup
18:49.32Stanzillaeven If wow looks shit by now, it's always better than some half assed pseudo realistic shit that never meants my quality standards anyway
18:49.41winkyeah
18:49.56winkbut I've never seen anyone dissign wow for lack of realism :P
18:50.03winkeither you're ok with the look
18:50.09znfYou don't read forums alot, do you?
18:50.10winkor you hate it for being comicky
18:50.24winkznf: no one whose opinion I'd accept, so forums are out per se
18:50.43Stanzillaznf: why would we. full of retards and I can imagine that 99% of those guys will never understand why wow looks like how it looks
18:50.44winkI'm not reading youtube comments either
18:50.45znfwink, it's enough to glance at mmo-c comments once in a while :D
18:50.56winkznf: my feed reader does not display those :D
18:51.08nevcairielwe have our own opinions, we dont need forums to steal the one of others
18:51.22winkStanzilla: well, are the real reasons well-known? :P
18:51.30StanzillaWoW just needs a polygon bump and it will be fine again :D
18:51.45Stanzillawink: ass old engine, lack of devs (TM Ghostcrawler)
18:51.53StanzillaAAAND
18:51.54nevcairielthe engine is showing its age, yea
18:51.57Stanzillaso many peple are used to the look
18:52.01winkStanzilla: http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft_Adventures:_Lord_of_the_Clans :D
18:52.05Stanzillathey just don't want them to adjust to new shit
18:52.06Stanzillalike omg
18:52.12Stanzillamy mage looks different now
18:52.28nevcairielpeople complained about the polygon bump in BC, it was hilarious
18:52.28winkcan we get rid of blood elves then?
18:52.37znf50% will say that it looks better
18:52.47znf50% will say that OMG WOW IS NOW RUINED
18:53.09sboh, znf is here again
18:53.19znfwhat do you mean, bitch? >_<
18:53.38winkthe decline of the west is imminent
18:53.38sbhi :/
18:53.59Fiskerwwhy are you a jerk Stanzilla ?
18:54.13StanzillaFisker: disablity
18:54.15znfhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/efd56a3487ba74f273e5412d8f83563a/tumblr_mnetrmSkEa1s373hwo1_400.gif
18:54.16winklol "The Lurker Below was going to be a Patch 5.3 battle pet, but it didn't look good when scaled down."
18:54.24Fiskeroh ok Stanzilla
18:54.26quiescensi didn't really pay enough attention to notice this supposed change in BC
18:54.34winkquiescens: me neither
18:54.45quiescensi don't remember anyone complaining about it either
18:55.05quiescens\o/
18:55.14quiescensgives wink a cookie
18:55.29winkomnomnoms
19:03.24Stanzillahttp://mashable.com/2013/06/01/iphone-5s-concept/
19:03.25Stanzillaew
19:03.56znfew
19:04.05Stanzilladoes not look like an apple product at all
19:04.16znflooks completely horrible... for everything
19:05.33Fiskerholy shit nevcairiel
19:05.51Fiskerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gWHFahU9ZU
19:05.52Fisker!1
19:06.07winkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1ZxcfdHJBMw
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19:07.35StanzillaFisker: is that 4x pcie3/x16?
19:07.56Fiskeridk
19:09.09Fisker:OOOOOOOOO
19:09.16Fiskerbuilt-in ramdisk support
19:09.20Fiskeri think i want hat
19:09.22Fiskerthat
19:10.12Stanzilladayum
19:10.13wink<PROTECTED>
19:10.21wink_|  |_
19:10.26winkhere is hat, Fisker
19:10.38Fiskerthanks for hat wink
19:10.40Fiskerwant b an?
19:10.42Fiskerban*
19:10.50winkmoar b
19:11.01Fiskeri will now refresh every computer site Stanzilla
19:11.03Fiskerin the world
19:12.00Stanzillahf
19:12.45Fiskerit's x8/x16/x8/x8 btw Stanzilla
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19:24.28sbhow does mainbaord ramdisk support work?
19:24.50RepoUpdated wiki entry: Knowledge Base / Store / Author Reward Points - http://www.wowace.com/wiki/knowledge-base/store/author-reward-points/
19:27.31sbokay, Fisker - $$$$$$?
19:27.42sbi want that
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19:28.31Fiskermany $$$$$$
19:28.41Fiskeri think the old maximus was like 300-350€
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20:02.37nebula169http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37484233.jpg
20:08.27Fisker64Mb UEFI AMI BIOS, PnP, DMI2.0, WfM2.0, SM BIOS 2.5, ACPI2.0a Multi-Language BIOS
20:08.31Fiskerdoes that upset you nevcairiel ?
20:12.01nevcairielshould it?
20:13.40Fiskeri don't think so
20:13.58Fiskerwhy don't they just get over with it and slap like a 256MB flash chip on there?
20:14.21Fiskeron their previous motherboards they eventually had to strip features in order to support new cpu's and shit
20:15.01winkhttp://www.twitch.tv/dryaan
20:15.20winkthe guy has 3 90 rogues with 512,517,532 ilvl. I'm jealous a little
20:17.25Fiskerjust on this channel instead nevcairiel
20:17.26Fiskerderp
20:17.40Fiskerdamn
20:17.47Fiskerthe asrock version of maximus vi is fucking expensive
20:18.00nevcairielthe extreme6?
20:18.14nevcairielor the fatality?
20:19.08Fiskerasrock formula something
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20:36.26Caleb|wink and he is not even the one with the most geared alts in our guild
20:36.51znfCaleb|, did you guys ended up joining that GDKP run?
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20:37.02Caleb|znf I have no idea
20:37.14znfoh, ok :P
20:37.24Caleb|I try to do the bare minimum
20:37.27Caleb|:D
20:37.48winkCaleb|: it's not really about gearing. my second rogue is turning 86 right now because I hated levelling so much. :P
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20:41.52winkCaleb|: but don't people usually have those alts on the same server? especially if multiple raiding chars of same class.
20:42.28Caleb|yep, he is a trial tho
20:43.45winkshame on me for never having heard of Envy then probably :P
21:06.35znfbad wink
21:09.00Gnarfozsomeone send me one (or ten) of these crazy bitcoin ASIC miners
21:09.14znfASIC?
21:10.51Gnarfozapplication specific integrated circuit
21:12.09Gnarfoz(i.e. the most efficient way to do something with ICs)
21:12.50znfSo... what hardware do you have?
21:13.07znfwoah, holy fuck
21:13.09znfthat's expensive
21:13.15znfhttp://www.butterflylabs.com/
21:13.35Gnarfozwell, that's just the biggest one they offer
21:13.44Gnarfoz(or rather, that particular manufacturer offers)
21:14.09znflooks for tech specs to see how much power it uses
21:14.46Gnarfozquite a bit, but the amount of BTC you can mine with them easily pays for the power
21:14.48znfuh, that thing has a integrated Nexus 7 :o
21:14.54Gnarfozthe huge one, yeah
21:14.59znfwell, can you mine that much anymore?
21:15.16Gnarfozwith these, yes
21:15.25znfOh, BTCs are down to $128
21:15.43Gnarfozthey've been mostly stable for a month now
21:15.57Gnarfozhttp://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/topcontributors.php
21:16.00znfSo you're interested in investing in them?
21:16.09Gnarfozinvesting? no, I'm not crazy
21:16.19znfthought so :P
21:16.47Gnarfozbut I'd certainly mine some if the delivery times weren't so bad for both the ASIC systems I know of
21:16.57Gnarfoz(the one you linked and Avalon ASICs is the other one)
21:16.58znfhow cheap?
21:17.04Gnarfoznot cheap :D
21:17.09znfok
21:17.11znf:-(
21:17.21GnarfozI think the Butterfly labs $274 one is the cheapest
21:17.46znfhmmm, how much is a latest-gen GPU mining?
21:17.49Gnarfozwhich I could afford some of, maybe even the second smallest they have - but it wouldn't be worth it right now because if I ordered today, I'd get it in who knows how many months
21:17.50znflike that titan thingie
21:17.55Gnarfozthe have a BIG backlog
21:18.32Gnarfozon that list I linked, those 65 GHash/s+ contributors are all running Avalon ASICs
21:18.48znfSo what happens when everything is mined?
21:18.52Gnarfoz(there were like half the number of people with that high a hash rate a week ago)
21:19.22Gnarfozthat's still quite a while away, but when everything is mined, transaction fees will probably go up
21:19.37Gnarfozs/probably go up/go through the roof/
21:19.38znfI still think it's too volatile
21:20.08winkI hate that I didn't buy a bunch for 8$
21:20.14Gnarfozwink: yeah, who doesn't :D
21:20.18winkserves me well to bee to tightfisted about 100$
21:20.19wink:P
21:20.27znfwish I had $100 5 months ago :P
21:20.33winkI can't spell today either
21:20.34GnarfozI know a guy who was so happy 4 years ago because he successfully ordered a pizza for like 150 BTC
21:20.41winklol
21:21.14znfbet he kicks himself in the balls now
21:21.17winkGnarfoz: well I think it's not THAT many people who really thought about dealing with BTC at the 10 EUR mark
21:21.28Gnarfozcertainly
21:21.31winkGnarfoz: I mean.. compared to the exposure it got at 200
21:21.38znfI still don't understand why it gained up so much
21:21.43winkme neither
21:21.49GnarfozI knew of it in 2009 but didn't believe it would ever take off :D
21:21.51winkI thought 8 => 20
21:21.54winknot worth the hassle
21:22.11znfI heard about it in 2010 or 2011, was like, "meh, not covering the power costs to mine them"
21:22.12winkbut I didnt think it safe enough to waste 100$ :P
21:22.23Gnarfozwink: and that's the gamble :D
21:22.26winkyup
21:22.44Gnarfozmost efficient way to get BTC: steal some
21:22.46winkbut when I look at the rates of my bank account
21:22.53winkI should've just invested :P
21:22.55znfoh god, I need to change my PC badly... this 1xDVI 1xVGA is making me OCD
21:22.59Gnarfozindeed wink, indeed
21:23.25znfGnarfoz, nah, most efficient way is to make trojans that install the miner on unsuspecting victims PCs
21:23.36Gnarfozyou're wrong
21:23.39Gnarfozthat's a LOT more work :p
21:23.44znfNot really
21:23.50znfI found one installed on a friend's PC
21:23.56Gnarfozstart an online wallet service and make off with it :D
21:24.07znfWas really simple done and implemented
21:24.09Gnarfozyeah, you talked about it before
21:24.11znfNot even trying to hide itself :D
21:24.13Gnarfoz(I think)
21:24.34Gnarfozthere's also modified GPU drivers around that include GPU miners :D
21:24.39winkinstalling is too hard
21:24.44winkjust use some JS thingy
21:24.51winkand slowly leech off the pennies
21:24.53znfEven found one on my mom's PC, but her pc didn't have a good enough GPU to run it, and it was crashing =))
21:24.58winkoff their dyin macbooks
21:25.49winkI'm so bored today I have to force myself to not read work email after 2 weeks of vacation
21:25.53winkwhat's wrong with me?
21:26.26znfwell, I'm at work
21:26.38znfand I have nothing to do, it's 12:30am, and I don't feel like going home
21:27.00znfI'm actually upgrading a coworker's iphone...
21:27.21winkhttp://bkase.github.io/CUDA-grep/finalreport.html
21:27.40znfthat's... interesting
21:28.11znfOur regular expression file was 2000 lines of the same regular expression.
21:28.14znf*blink*
21:29.14znfwonders if the iPhone will boot
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21:49.13Fiskerso Stanzilla
21:49.25Fiskergot googledevs om YouTube?
21:51.40znfFisker - I'm lazy. Should I swap my old sempron with 2GB ram with a C2D with 4gb ram?
21:51.48Fiskerno
21:51.57Fiskeri7
21:52.04znfFisker, *free C2D
21:52.13Fiskeri7
21:52.21znfFisker, give me your i7 for free then
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21:52.32Fiskeranyway obviously yes
21:52.47Fiskerare you in need znf?
21:54.14FiskerOK
22:00.13znfFisker, ofc I am in need :(
22:03.55Fiskertoo late
22:06.43nevcairielFisker: still no prices for asus boards
22:08.24nevcairieloh i found some
22:08.33nevcairieldeluxe for 236, no ws yet though
22:11.24Fiskermaximus vi is basically 400€ here
22:12.18Fiskeri'm a bad person
22:12.43Fiskerhah
22:12.48Fiskerboard not in stock for another 3 weeks
22:13.14nevcairielthat would suck :P
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22:18.24Fiskeri can wait
22:18.29FiskerI'm still waiting on my new case
22:18.55nevcairielmost people _can_ wait, unless their pc is broken, but we don't want to!
22:19.17FiskerWell i don't think i want to assemble it in this shitty midtower case
22:19.25Fiskerso even if i did get it i would probably just wait for the case
22:19.50nevcairieli'm ready to assemble it once i have all the parts
22:20.05Fiskeryay
22:20.09Fiskeri got grid 2 for free!
22:20.19Fiskerwell
22:20.28Fiskeri got grid 2 for 400€
22:20.30Fisker:P
22:20.54nevcairiel@curse grid2
22:20.54Reponevcairiel: Grid2: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/grid2
22:20.54Fiskeractually probably closer to 329 or 349€
22:20.58nevcairielfree grid2 ^
22:22.32Fiskeranother shop has the maximus vi written down for june 5th though
22:22.46nevcairielyou really want the maximus? why?
22:23.11Fiskerwhy not?
22:23.22Fiskerit free wifi
22:23.24Fiskerit has
22:24.02Fiskeri need a comparison list
22:24.12nevcairielbecause its stupid expensive for some oddball extra features
22:25.26Fiskeryou looked at the pro right?
22:25.33nevcairielyes
22:25.40nevcairielbut i would rather take the ws now
22:25.52Fiskernot in stock
22:26.12Fiskernot even in the list
22:26.18nevcairielyeah nto yet
22:26.27nevcairielif it doesnt show up i may change my mind
22:29.47Fiskerkpls
22:29.50Fiskerno ramdisk support
22:30.02Fiskeri'd actually rather want the pro over the WS
22:30.03nevcairielwtf does bios ramdisk even mean
22:30.24Fiskerlol
22:30.27Fiskerthe ws has firewire
22:30.30FiskerFIREWIRE
22:30.53nevcairielfirewire is still used by some cameras, if any board gets it, the ws makes sense
22:31.55nevcairielnone of the boards is just perfect
22:32.13Fiskerfuck it, i'm getting the pro
22:32.42Fiskeror am i?
22:33.01FiskerI'm not sure if that heatsink will be friendly with my noctua
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22:34.21Fiskerwell i can always upgrade my parents pc if it turns out i need a new board
22:34.22FiskerLOL
22:34.26nevcairiellol
22:34.59nevcairielhm the heatsink does indeed seem to be rather big
22:35.30Fiskeri hope my bank didn't close my card because i just ordered for like 1500€ in rapid succession
22:35.56Fiskerdoesn't seem like i did
22:36.07Fiskerz87-pro + 4770k inc
22:36.20nevcairieli thought you didnt need it right away anyway
22:37.06Fiskerdidn't you say something about we didn't want to wait anyway? :D
22:37.51Fiskerto be honest
22:37.56Fiskerthis computer is noisy as fuck
22:38.18FiskerI'll probably be running it on stock fan the next couple of weeks just to get the computer to shut the fuck up
22:39.20Fiskerbasically nevcairiel
22:39.29Fiskerthe z87-pro is identical with the maximus
22:39.40nevcairieljust no ROG shit? :p
22:39.43Fiskerexcept the oc panel, bios features and the detachable wifi thing
22:40.11Fiskerwell actually
22:40.15Fiskerhas more pcie lanes naturally
22:41.18nevcairielhm no pro yet in my favorite shops
22:41.55nevcairielonly deluxe and plus
22:42.33Fiskerbut basically take and compare the pro and maximus vi
22:42.49Fiskerhttp://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_VI_EXTREME/
22:42.56Fiskerhttp://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z87PRO/
22:43.05Fiskerof course the mosfets and shit are probably lower grade
22:43.06Fiskerbut wtf
22:43.11Fiskerthis shit won't overclock anyway
22:43.56nevcairielsilly onboard wifi on the pro doesnt even do ac
22:44.16Fiskerzero fucks
22:44.25Fiskerfirst thing i'll do is disable wifi
22:44.57Fiskeri don't even want the device in my device manager
22:45.04nevcairielsame
22:45.13nevcairielsecond: same thing for fucking bluetooh
22:45.15nevcairiel+t
22:45.29Fiskeri wonder why there's no thunderbolt this time around
22:45.40nevcairielthe deluxe/dual has thunderbolt
22:45.45Fiskerhmm
22:45.51Fiskeras i recall the z77 maximus had thunderbolt too
22:45.57nevcairielhttp://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z87DELUXEDUAL
22:45.58Fiskerbut no such luck on the z87
22:46.06Fiskeri guess zero fucks to be had
22:47.08nevcairielcomparison of the two boards indeed makes them quite similar
22:47.26nevcairielanyhow, i also have a PRO right now, and the feature set stays similar over the generations
22:47.54Fiskerthe onboard ramdisk thing would've been cool though
22:48.01nevcairielnow i only need to figure out how high i'll go with ram
22:48.07nevcairielprobably stay with 2133
22:48.12Fiskerwow
22:48.14Fisker:P
22:48.20FiskerI got these cheapass 1333
22:48.22nevcairielit gets fucking expensive over that
22:48.24Fiskeri believe
22:48.34nevcairielnative speed on haswell is 1600 already
22:48.55Fiskerdoes support 1333 though right?
22:48.58znfSo... I've never had an xbox.
22:48.58nevcairielyes
22:49.17znfHow do I connect a kinect to it? I only have an "i/o" port next to the ethernet one on the back, which, ofcourse, I can't fit the kinect in
22:50.01nevcairielits a usb cable, isnt it
22:50.19znfthe connector looks like USB, but it's orange and has a cut corner
22:50.44znfI think they sent me the wrong xbox/kinect pair :(
22:51.06Fiskerman
22:51.07nevcairielhttp://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-360/kinect/kinect-sensor-setup
22:51.08nevcairielgo read
22:51.10Fiskerthere's some cheap rams nevcairiel
22:51.15Fiskerbut they got a fucking heatsink
22:51.17nevcairielram is generally rather cheap
22:51.18FiskerGET THE FUCK OUT
22:51.40znfYeah, clearly I have the wrong combo. My kinect doesn't have a power adapter.
22:51.43Fiskeri thought frequencies weren't generally that well though?
22:51.49FiskerI always thought cas latencies meant more
22:51.57nevcairielcombination of both = awesome
22:52.12nevcairieli was looking at G.Skill RipJawsZ DIMM Kit 32GB PC3-17066U CL9
22:52.20nevcairielonly a small heat spreader, no big fins
22:52.43Fiskerhow is that even possible?
22:52.51Fiskerwhy do those fuckers never sell anything here?
22:53.01Arrowmasterznf: pics please
22:53.18znfArrowmaster, big white bulky xbox + kinect sensor with purple connector
22:53.33nevcairielisnt the xbox a curved black box? :D
22:53.42Arrowmasteryes
22:53.58nevcairielznf got the chinese knock-off
22:54.00Fiskerthere's a ripjaws z here nevcairiel
22:54.01znfmine's big bulky white :D, not the slim version
22:54.06Fiskerbut they're cl11
22:54.15Fiskerand i  still think the heatsink is too big
22:54.15nevcairielyeah there is different models
22:54.29Fiskerlink me yours
22:54.33znfwell, not mine, corporate sent it over
22:55.00znfIt's this one: http://photos.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/xbox-360.jpg
22:55.47Arrowmastercorporate who
22:55.58nevcairielFisker: http://en.gskill.com/en/product/f3-2133c9q-32gzh
22:56.04Arrowmasterbut yeah it sounds like you have a kinect for the slim console
22:56.08znfArrowmaster, the "mother" company :P
22:56.12Fiskerthanks for crashing quassel
22:56.19nevcairielno problems
22:56.28Fiskersame heatsink on the ones i saw
22:56.32Fiskerexcept those were red
22:56.37Arrowmasterznf: they sent you the wrong stuff, you need to send it back i guess
22:56.41FiskerI still think they're actually too high for the noctua cooler :(
22:56.53nevcairielits like 2cm of heatsink
22:56.58znfArrowmaster, I'm guessing they'll send over the 5 remaining ones and I'll eventually manage to get all the parts together :P
22:57.30nevcairielwhich noctua cooler anyway?
22:57.35nevcairieli was also looking into buying one
22:57.42nevcairielNoctua NH-U12S specifically
22:57.55nevcairielit looks roomy enough for heatsinks
22:58.13nevcairielbut its also not the biggest they have
22:58.13Arrowmasterznf: just read somewhere that the kinect that comes bundled with the slim console is only for the slim consoles
22:58.32znfArrowmaster, yeah, so either I need a power adapter or they sent me the wrong one :D
22:59.05Arrowmasterthey say you can find instructions on how to build an adapter to convert it to usb
22:59.24znfinventory item, fuck that, I'm not touching a soldering iron
23:00.11znfI've already got my ass spanked today for installing "non compliant" batteries in the keycard locks
23:00.14Arrowmasterwait a sec
23:00.36nevcairielthey also sell adapters
23:00.44nevcairiel:)
23:00.46Arrowmasterhttp://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/productID.253690100
23:00.49Arrowmasteryeah thats it
23:01.02znfnevcairiel, yeah I noticed... though I still have to make the papers to justify buying something new
23:01.08znfso I'll just pass and wait for the next batch
23:01.19Arrowmasteryou probably have some, you just havent gotten them
23:01.25znfIndeed
23:01.58znfHmm, I guess I could try to load up some XBLA games
23:02.04znfI wonder how do I do that
23:02.24Arrowmasterdo you have any games?
23:02.35znfI have Kinect Sports :D
23:03.10nevcairielbu no kinect
23:03.12nevcairiel+t
23:03.16znfnevcairiel, pretty much :D
23:03.23znfI thought I was going to have some fun tonight... Guess not
23:07.15znfArrowmaster, any moding experience with these toys?
23:13.06Fiskerbtw nevcairiel
23:13.09Fiskerthose ripjaws
23:13.15Fiskerthey're cl9/11/11?
23:13.28nevcairiel9/11/10 i think
23:13.38Fiskermaybe
23:13.48Fiskerbut most memory is 9/9/9 isn't it?
23:13.55Fiskeralso i got the d14
23:13.57nevcairielonly the low frequency
23:13.59Fiskernot even sure if it fits yet
23:14.05Fiskerbut it should i guess
23:14.24nevcairielthe lowest true 9-9-9 i see is 1866
23:14.31nevcairielabove the latencys go down a bit
23:14.39nevcairielbut more raw speed compensates
23:14.58Fiskerwould 1866 9/9/9 be better than 2133 9/11/10?
23:15.24nevcairielthere was a memory OC article a while back that compared frequency vs latency
23:15.28nevcairielmaybe i can find it again
23:17.57nevcairielthe point is that those latencys are in clock cycles
23:18.12nevcairielif you can increase the clock enough, it doesnt matter that it needs one more cycle
23:21.13nevcairielFisker: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ivy-bridge-ddr3_3.html
23:21.22nevcairielthey compared 1866 cl9 to 2133 cl11, among other things
23:22.34Fiskerseems like a somewhat insignificant difference
23:23.14nevcairieltheir conclusion is that clock rate > timings
23:23.40Fiskeryeah
23:23.51Fiskeri just mean in generally it doesn't seem to make a big difference :P
23:24.10nevcairielthe best value is probably at 1866 right now
23:24.18nevcairielabvoe that the difference gets even more insignificant
23:24.20Fiskerbut ok
23:24.32Fiskerwell i am after all running 1333
23:24.44Fiskerso a step up to 1866 or 2133 could be significant
23:24.56nevcairielin overall system performance, probably not
23:25.04nevcairielbut it makes one feel better
23:25.08Fiskerand the money i saved on getting the z87 pro can be used on more memory :P
23:25.24Fiskerbesides, i'm pretty sure my parents can use 32GB of RAM
23:25.31nevcairiellol
23:26.11Fiskerwhen i upgraded to 32GB
23:26.17Fiskerthey were building a server at work
23:26.22Fiskerlike workstation board with a xeon
23:26.24Fiskerand 4GB of ram
23:26.29Fiskerso i gave them 16GB
23:26.31FiskerD:
23:26.31nevcairielthats terrible
23:26.37Fiskeryeah
23:26.49Fiskerno moneys
23:27.10Fiskertechnically speaking i feel bad for them
23:27.28Fiskerbecause i got them to buy a new cpu because i thought the old one didn't work without an update
23:27.29FiskerD:
23:27.51Fiskerturns out that asus made the dimm channels like this: 1_2 1_1 2_2 2_1
23:28.01Fiskerand since they had 2x2GB
23:28.08Fiskeri put them in 1_2 and 2_2
23:28.09Fiskerderp
23:28.19Fiskerand that made the motherboard not post
23:28.26nevcairielodd
23:28.31Fiskeryeah
23:28.32nevcairielusually its ABAB
23:28.58Fiskerwas totally sure it was the cpu not booting :(
23:29.16Fiskerfortunately it was only like some weird workstation celeron for no money or something like that
23:33.00znfI think my intel mobo is AABB
23:33.21znfI remember about it complaining that it's running single channel mode last time I forgot that...
23:34.43Fisker1333MHz to 2133MHz apparently adds about 10GB/s to transfer rates :o
23:35.01Fiskerthough pretty much zero performance difference in games anyway
23:35.06nevcairielyeah
23:35.15nevcairielmight only help with very memory intensive tasks
23:35.19nevcairiellike compressing shit with 7z
23:35.27Fisker:D
23:35.32Fiskeri'll keep memory
23:36.24nevcairielI'm not sure yet, i kinda want to expand to 32 gb, so i need new memory because i have 4x4 right now
23:36.50Fiskerah
23:36.52nevcairielat least its 1600 already
23:36.56Fisker32GB is chump change
23:37.00nevcairieland not 1333 :P
23:37.25Fiskergot the only non-heatsink memory i could get :P
23:37.36Fiskeror non-tailfin memory i guess is more accurate
23:37.40Fiskerit still has a heatsink :P
23:37.40znfstop running so many VMs, Fisker
23:38.00nevcairielyeah any modern memory comes at least with heat spreaders
23:38.46nevcairielwell maybe i'll keep it for now and change my mind later
23:38.51Fiskerthe old corsair ax series doesn't support the new c-states right?
23:38.53nevcairieldont need it right away
23:39.01nevcairielthere was a list somewhere..
23:39.15Fiskercorsair had one
23:39.17nevcairielhttp://www.corsair.com/us/blog/haswell-compatibility-with-corsair-power-supplies/
23:39.30Fiskeryeah
23:39.56Fiskerwait i think mine was hx
23:40.21nevcairielsilver and gold are also OK, the other ones are apparently still validating
23:40.42Fiskeryeah
23:40.57Fiskeri think mine is legacy bronze
23:41.03Fisker3½ years old
23:41.33Fiskeroh actually
23:41.36Fiskercan't :P
23:41.40Fiskerbecause they don't have 850w
23:41.49Fiskerwas interested in the AX760i though
23:43.50Fiskerman
23:43.52Fiskeri get to download grid 2
23:43.54Fiskerfor freeeeeeeeeeee
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23:45.07znfok.
23:50.27nevcairieli wonder if this digital power supply stuff is really worth something or just BS
23:54.13Arrowmasterthey are always advertising new power stuff, its probably an advancement but dont think its as much as they claim
23:58.55nevcairielreviews seem to think its great
23:59.02nevcairielalthough expensive

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