| 00:01.42 | znf | mkay, killed on 3rd pull... this 10m is a joke :( |
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| 00:09.27 | elvador | znf: twins is one of the easiest bosses in this instance :> |
| 00:11.00 | znf | still, we also killed iron qon so fast... |
| 00:12.20 | znf | still... 10m is so easy when you don't have to carry people like in 25m : |
| 00:18.05 | nebula169 | like, that's what has always made 10s easier |
| 00:18.14 | nebula169 | don't need to carry 15 bads |
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| 00:26.32 | Caleb| | you are still talking about normal modes aren't you? |
| 00:28.29 | nebula169 | can't imagine trying to carry 15 bads in heroics! |
| 00:29.34 | znf | Caleb|, yeah, we're slow as fuck |
| 00:29.45 | Caleb| | ohh but you do nebula169 :D |
| 00:30.01 | znf | it's not just that the rest are "bad" |
| 00:30.02 | Caleb| | there are scales to being bad! |
| 00:30.08 | znf | We lack discipline in raids |
| 00:30.18 | znf | People go afk between pulls |
| 00:30.58 | znf | or their cat pukes on the carpet |
| 00:31.11 | znf | or their wife is having a baby (true story) |
| 00:32.02 | elvador | i know that feel znf |
| 00:32.36 | elvador | and you can't even replace them because you don't have the people to replace them |
| 00:33.08 | znf | We recruited one healer, had ilvl 516, but no professions. We asked him to get professions, he worked up on mining (!), then left guild last night. Nobody knows why. He didn't even get to raid with us. |
| 00:34.00 | znf | 3 weeks ago we had so many healers in the roster that we had at least 2 on sitout |
| 00:34.10 | znf | last week me and the other spriest had to heal... wtf? |
| 00:36.44 | Caleb| | if you think it gets better when you are aiming for world firsts, I'm gonna let you know, it does NOT |
| 00:36.53 | nebula169 | not having a stable healer core is rough |
| 00:36.56 | elvador | we currently have 16 people total to raid 10man. last week everyone was there and the people who couldn't raid where crying to me. yesterday we had to wait for a player to come online before we could start raiding... i hate this |
| 00:36.57 | Caleb| | our guild leader had a baby mid progress |
| 00:37.15 | znf | ...damn breeders! :D |
| 00:37.22 | elvador | are you <ensidia> caleb? |
| 00:37.27 | nebula169 | now Caleb| is GM of Envy! |
| 00:37.33 | Caleb| | not GM |
| 00:37.42 | nebula169 | pfft, may aswell be |
| 00:37.43 | Caleb| | but yes, I was Ensidia GM, now I'm in Envy |
| 00:38.26 | znf | Caleb|, I bet it doesn't - but at least the people in your guild have the correct mind-set for raiding heroic content and there's a certain standard |
| 00:39.00 | znf | we seem to be getting 2 kinds of people: bad-ish, but with 100% attendance OR good people but that don't show up often |
| 00:39.04 | Caleb| | we have like 3 greeks in our roster who are constantly late to raids |
| 00:39.10 | Caleb| | we have swedes disappearing mid progress |
| 00:39.23 | Caleb| | we have danes working in ridiculous hours |
| 00:39.30 | nebula169 | silly danes |
| 00:39.35 | elvador | but yeah, there are always "bad" people in the raid. and if you don't think so then you are probably the bad one |
| 00:39.40 | Caleb| | and slovenians with dead computers |
| 00:39.59 | nebula169 | they steal them from russia? |
| 00:40.01 | Caleb| | so I think, our problems are quite similar |
| 00:40.13 | elvador | so envy is like the european union of raiding? :D |
| 00:40.14 | Caleb| | I'm bad |
| 00:40.48 | elvador | you can't be bad if you are playing a hunter. it's like no standing in stuff and pushing buttons |
| 00:40.53 | znf | Caleb|, I was seriously under the impression that doesn't happen "at that level" :P |
| 00:40.54 | Caleb| | well EU guilds tend to be multinational |
| 00:41.15 | Caleb| | znf ohh but it does :=( |
| 00:42.32 | znf | but you guys raid, like, how much? |
| 00:42.50 | Caleb| | tonight we raided 5 hours |
| 00:42.56 | Caleb| | heroic Lei Shen |
| 00:42.58 | znf | how many nights per week? |
| 00:43.08 | Caleb| | every night, since it is progress |
| 00:43.22 | Caleb| | on farm we raid 1-2 days of 4 hours or so |
| 00:43.25 | znf | heh, well, we raid 4hours/3 nighs :P |
| 00:43.45 | Caleb| | you don't really have "farm" raiding tho, do you? |
| 00:43.48 | elvador | Caleb|: how low did you get him? |
| 00:43.54 | znf | not really, everything is progress for us |
| 00:44.12 | Caleb| | 20ish elvador |
| 00:44.55 | znf | yay - ilvl518 |
| 00:45.02 | elvador | are the phases the same like normal? |
| 00:45.11 | Caleb| | ofc not |
| 00:45.26 | Caleb| | the boss keeps the abilities, when you disable a conduit |
| 00:45.27 | durcyn | anyone notice ionization is no longer dispellable by dps things like shadow mass dispel or warlock singe magic suddenly? |
| 00:45.29 | Caleb| | it never goes away |
| 00:46.10 | elvador | i meant the number of phases ;) |
| 00:47.13 | Caleb| | then yes, 3 phases |
| 00:47.30 | znf | wish they'd make 15m raiding a reality... |
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| 00:48.29 | quiescens | why 15? |
| 00:48.35 | elvador | what would change then znf? |
| 00:48.47 | znf | 15 is the ideal raiding size |
| 00:48.51 | znf | not as chaotic as 25 |
| 00:48.55 | znf | not that hard to set-up |
| 00:49.14 | elvador | you think 10m is hard to set-up? |
| 00:49.20 | znf | no, 25m is :D |
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| 00:50.09 | znf | there's simply too many people to manage |
| 00:50.37 | quiescens | so it'll be 10 and 15? |
| 00:50.39 | znf | and it gets worse when some of those people are being kept in the roster so you can actually fill a group |
| 00:51.11 | znf | if I could, I would kick about 7-9 people from the guild now, who we simply keep for fill-ups |
| 00:52.07 | quiescens | you basically want raids to be sized to suit the number of people you like you raid with o.o |
| 00:52.28 | znf | quiescens, think everyone would love dynamic raid sizes :P |
| 00:52.35 | elvador | that would actually be great :D |
| 00:53.01 | znf | You have 50 people online? raid with them |
| 00:53.05 | znf | you have 30? np |
| 00:53.15 | elvador | you only have 6? still np |
| 00:53.22 | znf | not that low :D |
| 00:53.55 | Caleb| | 5 is a party, 6 is a raid, yeah that sounds too low |
| 00:54.07 | elvador | i would like a feature where i can play for other people |
| 00:54.22 | elvador | or at least pause the fight for a second and tell them what to do |
| 00:54.25 | znf | elvador, wouldn't we all? |
| 00:54.28 | Caleb| | multiboxing, have you tried it? |
| 00:54.33 | znf | for fights like Amber Shaper |
| 00:54.51 | elvador | don't put salt in my wounds znf! |
| 00:55.00 | znf | we were doing heroic stuff, and people still couldn't grasp the idea of interrupting on amber shaper.. |
| 00:55.42 | znf | most our kills (on normal) were based on luck - if we got luck that the good people got reshaped, it was a kill |
| 00:56.07 | elvador | we tried like 20 different tactics to manage the stack (10m hc) |
| 00:56.40 | znf | yeah, we done that on 10m a few times, too |
| 00:56.52 | elvador | 126 wipes and i bet some people still can't handle the abo |
| 00:56.59 | znf | the timing was a bit more difficult to phase the boss at the right moment in 10m |
| 00:57.24 | znf | some mechanics are, indeed, a bit more tricky in 10m, but most stuff seems so much easier :-/ |
| 00:57.31 | znf | like DPS checks... |
| 00:57.52 | znf | (but I'm probably biased because when we go 10m we take the best people) |
| 00:58.36 | elvador | so you raid 25m and only go 10m sometimes? |
| 00:58.48 | znf | we go 10m when our official raid time is over |
| 00:59.05 | znf | like, raid ends at 00:00 on tuesday, then we might go 10m |
| 00:59.19 | znf | ofc, that will only work while we're on normal :P |
| 01:00.01 | elvador | i still hate that you can't play 10 AND 25m |
| 01:00.10 | elvador | what was the problem with that? |
| 01:00.24 | znf | ask Caleb| :D |
| 01:01.26 | Caleb| | playing 2 alts and yout main in both 10 and 25 man to stay competitive is not fun |
| 01:02.16 | Caleb| | I'm personally totally fine with not playing any alts in raids |
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| 01:02.49 | elvador | i played icc like this and if i look back now, i enjoyed myself more in that time |
| 01:03.45 | elvador | so we were still ~world 50, but that was quite an experience |
| 01:03.50 | Caleb| | my main problem is that for us during ToC we had alts better geared than mains, which resulted in bringing those alts over mains |
| 01:03.55 | Caleb| | especially healers |
| 01:04.12 | znf | well, toc was brutal with the lockouts :-/ |
| 01:04.14 | Caleb| | but the people who played the alts could not play their alts good enough as they played their mains |
| 01:04.57 | quiescens | o.o |
| 01:05.01 | Caleb| | however due to the class being better with that gear we were forced to play with alts that skill wise performed way below the average level, but in really were still better than a main |
| 01:05.41 | elvador | yeah, that class difference part is not fun |
| 01:05.51 | quiescens | i played my durid as cat dps and resto healerer |
| 01:05.53 | quiescens | \o/ |
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| 01:07.47 | znf | kitty is now pretty much the hardest spec in-game :-/ |
| 01:08.59 | quiescens | shrugs |
| 01:09.01 | elvador | why do you think that znf? |
| 01:09.26 | quiescens | i only played up until the northrend expansion |
| 01:09.38 | znf | elvador, too many things to track, mandatory stuff that shold be pretty much base-line |
| 01:09.47 | znf | still need to be behind target to use some abilities |
| 01:09.57 | elvador | have you played an affliction warlock lately? |
| 01:10.09 | quiescens | affliction warlock was my alt |
| 01:10.10 | quiescens | lol |
| 01:10.19 | znf | and if you want to min/max, you need to take dream of cenarius, which increases the complexion of the spec eve more |
| 01:10.44 | Caleb| | affliction warlocks are not that hard to play imo |
| 01:10.58 | Caleb| | have one as alt, if you are used to dot classes, it is nothing new |
| 01:11.11 | elvador | Caleb|: playing or mastering? |
| 01:11.22 | quiescens | i would say cat was more troublesome than warlock |
| 01:11.39 | Caleb| | playing, as I said before elvador |
| 01:11.43 | Caleb| | I AM BAD! |
| 01:11.53 | elvador | that's what i wanted to hear :D |
| 01:12.00 | quiescens | warlock is a lot of dots to upkeep, but you don't have to track combo points that depend on how much you crit, stuff that has different duration based on the number of combo points used |
| 01:12.06 | znf | I feel that if they just "bake" that Savage Roar thingie in the spec, directly, as a passive, kitty would be much more accesible |
| 01:12.24 | quiescens | procs that give you a free attack |
| 01:13.37 | quiescens | finishers that have a chance to give you an extra combo point |
| 01:13.38 | elvador | quiescens: you actually have to watch every trinket that procs and decide if it is worth to renew the dot, manage your cooldowns with your procs, etc. it's not about 100% dot uptime anymore |
| 01:14.05 | znf | well, no offence, that's not an exactly hard mechanic |
| 01:14.22 | znf | it's also not unique, if you're used to another dot class, it's not that hard |
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| 01:14.47 | quiescens | i don't really know what its like now |
| 01:15.31 | quiescens | just that when i did it, cat had a lot more randomness than others |
| 01:16.02 | elvador | znf: as i said, easy to play - hard to master ;) but you as an shadow kinda knows what to do |
| 01:16.13 | znf | quiescens, still highly proc based |
| 01:16.30 | znf | and for a damn spec that has 1.0 as attack speed... it's so damn slow :P |
| 01:16.48 | quiescens | what do you mean by slow? |
| 01:17.02 | znf | "not enough energy" |
| 01:17.35 | quiescens | what does that have to do with attack speed |
| 01:17.50 | elvador | btw warlock pets have to keep watching their energy too! |
| 01:17.58 | znf | oh, you finally managed to build up 5 combo points? you wanted to use ferocious bite? nope... refresh dot. |
| 01:18.20 | znf | quiescens, well, kitty's attack speed is fast... but energy build-up is slow |
| 01:18.22 | quiescens | ferocious bite was usually not worth it |
| 01:19.25 | quiescens | losing any energy over the base amount made it less worthwhile than just shredding and keeping teh combo points for something else |
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| 01:20.03 | znf | anywa, 4am, I should go to sleep early, at least once in the last 2 weeks >_< |
| 01:20.29 | quiescens | by early you mean, go to sleep while its too early to wake up |
| 01:20.47 | znf | considering I went to sleep at 9am yesterday... yeah |
| 01:21.22 | elvador | where do you live znf? |
| 01:21.37 | quiescens | in a cave |
| 01:22.07 | znf | Romania |
| 01:22.39 | Repo | cancel-pet-fight: 03znuff * r35 cancel-pet-fight.lua: Set MARK to true by default. Forgot that. |
| 01:22.55 | znf | here: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Neptun,+Romania&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sll=37.6,-95.665&sspn=58.279919,135.263672&oq=neptun,+&t=h&hnear=Neptun,+Mangalia,+Constan%C8%9Ba,+Romania&z=15 |
| 01:22.57 | znf | :P |
| 01:23.12 | elvador | so your sleep schedule is as fucked up as mine, good to know |
| 01:23.23 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 01:23.27 | znf | HOLY FUCK, Google Maps finally got our little town's "boarders" right!!! |
| 01:23.32 | znf | Only took them 5 years |
| 01:23.45 | quiescens | .. |
| 01:23.46 | quiescens | "borders" |
| 01:24.07 | znf | w/e, you get the idea! |
| 01:24.15 | elvador | you live on the beach? that makes me jealous! |
| 01:24.26 | znf | not as nice as it sounds |
| 01:24.31 | znf | gets boring really fast |
| 01:25.10 | znf | nn |
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| 13:53.21 | Repo | big-wigs: 03maat * r10647 ThroneOfThunder/Jinrokh.lua: |
| 13:53.22 | Repo | add fall back for focused lightning target, since sometimes the warning is inaccurate if no tank roles are set (drycoded) |
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| 14:59.41 | quiescens | moo |
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| 15:20.23 | bluipodcow | Mooooooooo |
| 15:25.42 | Repo | big-wigs: 03nebula169 * r10648 ThroneOfThunder/Jinrokh.lua: Jinrokh: clean up the focus lightning fallback |
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| 16:44.55 | EthanCentaurai | so quiet in here today |
| 16:45.43 | pompy1 | Oi |
| 16:46.28 | EthanCentaurai | sup |
| 16:53.18 | Repo | atlasloot-enhanced: 03hegarol 04v7.05.03 * r4175 : Tagging as v7.05.03 |
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| 19:20.58 | *** topic/#wowace is 5.2.0 ToC#: 50200 | http://paste.wowace.com | http://lua.org | This channel is logged, via purl |
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| 19:30.53 | znf | durcyn, what Stanzilla said |
| 19:31.18 | durcyn | yeah, looks like i'm still stuck with some koskenango texture for buttons though, blah |
| 19:37.45 | Stanzilla | what is a koskenago texture, durcyn |
| 19:37.59 | durcyn | replacement blps, Stanzilla |
| 19:38.22 | Stanzilla | there is aurora missing textures too |
| 19:38.33 | Stanzilla | and I replace all icons with clean icons pack |
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| 19:56.36 | Stanzilla | man, questing with the default map made my life so much easier |
| 19:57.59 | Repo | big-wigs: 03funkydude * r10649 ThroneOfThunder/JiKun.lua: JiKun: Fix first LFR quills |
| 20:03.41 | znf | what the fuck http://i.imgur.com/oDahY8m.jpg |
| 20:04.09 | znf | Stanzilla, how?! |
| 20:05.19 | Stanzilla | znf: quest poi stopped jumping aroudn like mad |
| 20:05.22 | Stanzilla | and being wrong |
| 20:05.36 | Stanzilla | and attaching tooltips to my mouse curser that stuck on it |
| 20:06.59 | znf | heh |
| 20:13.18 | Megalon | that's quite the raiding ui, znf |
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| 20:14.09 | Megalon | love the contrats, gorgeous art, beautiful buttons, laid out in a nice way |
| 20:14.23 | Megalon | and then there is that thing in the middle with the portrays and minimap |
| 20:14.24 | Megalon | : |
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| 20:26.06 | Repo | bigwigs_horridon_marker: 03_yusaku_ * r8 BigWigs_Horridon_Marker.toc: itIT .toc locale description added |
| 20:31.05 | durcyn | Stanzilla: okay, those are MUCH nicer textures, thanks pal |
| 20:31.23 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 20:32.15 | Stanzilla | care to post your end result now? |
| 20:32.37 | durcyn | kinda creepy, man |
| 20:33.00 | Stanzilla | why |
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| 20:44.53 | Stanzilla | touches durcyn |
| 20:46.12 | Torhal | arrests Stanzilla. |
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| 21:20.45 | Repo | ouf_adirelle: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.9-4-g4f1024b / (3 files in 3 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 21:20.45 | Repo | 4f1024b: Upgraded to latest oUF. |
| 21:20.45 | Repo | 53f9670: Fixed wrong argument numbers in calls of oUF.ColorGradient. |
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| 21:51.45 | Stanzilla | http://www.chromium.org/blink |
| 21:52.32 | Stanzilla | goodbye webkit |
| 21:59.41 | znf | _|_ Dark Animus |
| 22:00.23 | znf | rolled coin - got another dagger |
| 22:00.25 | znf | so now I have 3 |
| 22:00.48 | Repo | big-wigs: 03pettigrow * r10650 ThroneOfThunder/Locales/frFR.lua: frFR Update |
| 22:04.27 | znf | look, Stanzilla, LOOK! http://i.imgur.com/2r2COZh.png |
| 22:04.43 | Stanzilla | owned |
| 22:05.57 | znf | One change we’re planning is adding “out-of-process iframes”. awesome :o |
| 22:10.43 | Gnarfoz | znf: triple wield |
| 22:10.58 | znf | and both normal ones came from coin.. |
| 22:14.17 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: was only a matter of time |
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| 22:25.19 | Repo | flaresthatwork: 03oscarucb * r23 FlaresThatWork.lua: add resizing of the window via shift modifier |
| 22:26.29 | Repo | flaresthatwork: 03oscarucb 042.1.0 * r24 : Tagging as 2.1.0 |
| 22:28.22 | znf | Stanzilla, can you check something for me? |
| 22:33.03 | znf | Stanzilla, http://i.imgur.com/3Q2cb3i.png do you have that achievement? |
| 22:51.55 | Repo | big-wigs: 03maat * r10651 ThroneOfThunder/IronQon.lua: |
| 22:51.56 | Repo | possibly fix spear target warning not working after 1st wipe |
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| 23:50.27 | znf | so, this "technology that allows quick patching" from blizzard... they learned how to branch? :P |
| 23:51.07 | Ressy | They're patching the .exe only |
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